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Israeli children sign their missiles ‘with love’


Never have I witnessed such an appalling display of utter contempt for human life. And they're not even ashamed to beam it across the globe, for all the world to see.


THIS is who our tax dollars support - an arrogant, war-like people who indoctrinate their children in the art of murderous and cavalier warfare.
Dear Lebanese/ Palestinian/ Canadian/ American/ Muslim/ Christian/ Australian/ or Anyone else who stands in our way,

DIE.

love,
Israeli Kids
Not in so many words, but even a love ballad would kill the recipient - using flowery words makes it all the more twisted.
Above: Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006.(AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
Thanks, girls. Lebanese children got your message - loud and clear.


Spread it far and wide.

Americans must learn the truth about ISRAEL - the Ultimate Glorified Killing Machine.

___________________
Thanks, Sabbah

237 Comments:

At Tue Jul 18, 12:59:42 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

Liar.

In fact, I searched for those very images on AP. The Israeli children were signing shells, not missiles. As in, shells that were recovered that HIT Israel.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/6/6332a58d-75a8-4b8a-85f9-4f9f9b7ad29f.html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/F/f9bc38f9-a3a9-401f-b864-a02b3a24f678.html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

That's right - the children were signing dead shells that HEZBOLLAH dropped into Israel.

Let me repeat myself.

Liar. Filthy, disgusting, hate mongering liar.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:07:25 AM EDT, qrswave said...

I know where they came from.

The yahoo images are captured and linked to the photos.

Those shells are on their way out. The caption says nothing about "dead" shells.

WTF would they be signing dead shells?

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:10:56 AM EDT, qrswave said...

Also, if you're going to keep flinging insults on top of your murderous madness, go home to your own blog.

Or does nobody go there?

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:12:23 AM EDT, Nepos Libertas said...

disaffected youth...

Take a chill pill.

Apparently you took that other pill and live in the rabbit hole.

You have a pro-Zionist filter enabled in the information processing part of the brain.

Click on the source of the pictures and see that they were captured on desktop screenshot. That provide the damning proof.

Get a grip. You sound like a troll extolling the virtues of Zionism.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:19:25 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

qrswave:

I am not the one gunning for murder. You are the one who forgives/appologizes for terrorists, and claims they are freedom fighters.

I see no evidence that those missiles are going out. NONE. The link I saw merely said they were shells. I find it hard to believe that Israeli shells are left out in the open for people to sign like that.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:25:09 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

Okay, I may be wrong. They could be outgoing shells - I looked it up and it didn't say either way whether it was an incoming or outgoing shell. I still see no proof that the children wrote that everyone must die. I looked this up on the AP and even Al Jazeera.

There is zippo proof that either a) the shells are outgoing shells; and b) that messages of hate were written on them.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:32:58 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

Um, I think they have to be outgoing, otherwise, why does one weapon have "FROM Israel"?

Not certain what the shells say though, since not all of it is in English.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:33:36 AM EDT, qrswave said...

well, golly, disaffected youth, aka Miss "R",

Why believe your lying eyes?

Just make things up, instead!

THE "PROOF" IS IN THE PUDDING.

Those darling little Israeli children are at a HEAVY ARTILLERY POSITION on the border with Lebanon and there's a fucking tank behind them.

They are not "decorating" dead shells. They are writing "MESSAGES." In the plain meaning of the word, MESSAGES are FOR SENDING.

Can it possibly be more crystal clear to your Zionist-programmed brain?

Those shells are landing on the heads of Lebanese families, and children in southern Lebanon.

And, furthermore, even if you wrote a love song on a shell, it would still KILL the recipient. The "HATE" is in the fucking explosive.

You are so intent on defending Israel that you have lost touch with reality.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:38:54 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

qrswave:

There were many dead shells collected around Northern Israel. I fail to see any proof that those are not dead shells.

Even if they are live shells, so what?

It's no worse than the way Palestinians "car swarm" around dead bodies - tearing apart the body limb from limb, and taking pictures of it all.

War is hell. It brings out the worst in people. I don't defend signing missiles (assuming they are live missiles), but I fail to see how it's any worse than what typically goes on on your average day in the Palestinian territories. This doesn't involve taking apart bodies limb from limb. And the war in Lebanon is being fought to protect Israel's right to exist.

War is hell. I hate war. But I would hate a world without Israel far more.

The ironic thing is, so would you.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:49:07 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

"There were many dead shells collected around Northern Israel. I fail to see any proof that those are not dead shells."

Why would Israeli children be signing dead shells with "From Israel"?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/F/f9bc38f9-a3a9-401f-b864-a02b3a24f678.html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

There's the original picture.

Here's another question, whow in their right mind would be running around collecting dead shells in a war zone just so a stupid kid could sign it with anything?

"Even if they are live shells, so what?"

Um, it's a little screwed up to have kiddies putting messages on explosives that are going to be used to kill human beings, don't you think?

I hope you think that..

Maybe you don't. Maybe that's the problem. You don't have any sense of decency?

"But I would hate a world without Israel far more."

You know, I think Israel's actions lately have just demonstrated to the world WHY they are hated in the Middle East, deservedly hated.

They're crazy and apparently, they are just plain evil.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:54:40 AM EDT, qrswave said...

"The ironic thing is, so would you."

Don't you dare speak for me.

Israel - specifically ZIONISM - is a curse on humanity.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:08:47 AM EDT, Die for the Elite said...

Disaffected apologist for atrocities, those are live, unused shells. The nose cone and warhead are intact in the shell casing, which houses the propellant charge. Here is a picture of an unused shell being loaded into a cannon. Here is a picture of an empty shell casing, minus the warhead and nose cone. Here is an overview of artillery for your continuing education. There will be a pop quiz on this tomorrow; if you pass, you'll be able to post here again.

Debate tip for you: your arguments will appear more convincing and credible when your assertions are accurate.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:15:46 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

disaffected youth said...

Liar.

In fact, I searched for those very images on AP. The Israeli children were signing shells, not missiles. As in, shells that were recovered that HIT Israel.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/6/6332a58d-75a8-4b8a-85f9-4f9f9b7ad29f.html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/F/f9bc38f9-a3a9-401f-b864-a02b3a24f678.html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

That's right - the children were signing dead shells that HEZBOLLAH dropped into Israel.

Let me repeat myself.

Liar. Filthy, disgusting, hate mongering liar.

Tue Jul 18, 12:59:42 AM EDT

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Those shells are BRAND NEW ---- As in BRAND SPANKING NEW ----- As in just off either the assembly line in the US of A, or Israel. --- As in "Gift from Israel to the People of Lebanon"






I don't think I can make myself any clearer, than to say, they are BRAND SPANKING NEW!

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:22:37 AM EDT, Harry Houdini said...

Hey, kids, I've run a few shell games, but this one is ridiculous! Why not check under the shells to see if the shrapnel is brand new?

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:23:27 AM EDT, qrswave said...

that reminds me, disaffected youth,

how do your venal words taste?

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:23:39 AM EDT, Die for the Elite said...

da, it's way past your bedtime, and you have a lot of studying to do for tomorrow's quiz. Please try to learn something before embarassing yourself here again.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:53:11 AM EDT, Rebellion in the news room? That's a good sign! said...

Staffers at Santa Barbara Paper Join Large Protest



Published: July 15, 2006 10:00 AM ET

SANTA BARBARA Dressed in black and their mouths taped shut, reporters and staff of the Santa Barbara News-Press staged a protest Friday over a recent wave of resignations at the newspaper.

More than 300 supporters roared with applause and shouts when about 25 News-Press employees emerged from the newspaper's Spanish-style landmark building and walked to a microphone in an adjacent park.

Reporter Melinda Burns said newspaper staffers have been ordered not to speak about internal operations and were threatened with dismissal if they did.

"We are very sorry we can't speak, but thank you for coming," she said, stepping away from the microphone as members of the group put duct tape over their mouths. Many in the crowd hoisted signs, including ones that read: "Free the News" and "No More News Suppress."

The protest was the latest public display of newsroom tension that began when staff accused the daily's owner of meddling in news coverage. Six top editors and two writers have resigned, and a copy editor quit Friday.

One of those who resigned, reporter Scott Hadly, said a list of demands was presented to management Thursday. He said they want restoration of journalistic ethics, reinstatement of editors who were forced to resign, new contract negotiations and recognition of the Teamsters union as their exclusive bargaining unit.

Interim publisher Travis Armstrong said he blamed the protest partly on the paper's enemies, among them developers and politicians.

Armstrong said employees who protested would not be disciplined, adding he was disappointed by how the newspaper's order not to discuss internal operations had been portrayed.

Those who quit have said owner Wendy McCaw killed a story about Armstrong's recent sentencing for drunken driving. The newspaper had previously reported on his arrest.

She has said the resignations were prompted by her unwillingness to let editors and reporters "flavor the news with their personal opinions."

The News-Press, founded in 1855, is locally owned and published by McCaw's Ampersand Publishing LLC, which bought the paper in 2000 from the New York Times Co. It has a 57-person editorial staff, publishes seven days a week and has a daily circulation of about 41,000.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:54:36 AM EDT, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm said...

Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Waleed Al Shehri
Waleed Al Shehri left the US a year ago, he says

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

Hijacking suspects
Flight 175: Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi
Flight 11: Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Satam Al Suqami
Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour
Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi
Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

Mistaken identity

Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.

Abdelaziz Al Omari
Abdelaziz Al Omari 'lost his passport in Denver'
He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.

Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.

The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.

Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.

Khalid Al-Midhar
Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive

He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.

And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:56:08 AM EDT, US internet censorshop said...

Cryptogon Blocked from U.S. Air Force Domains

A Cryptogon reader writes:

I guess you're too subversive for our delicate eyes at USAF bases in [DELETED]. This Monday morning I tried to access your page from work and was greeted by an 'unauthorized: personal/politics' banner.

We have no trouble reading Drudge, NewsMax, FreeRepublic, and WorldNetDaily. I guess I'll have to wait till I get home to see some 'reality-based' information.

Keep up the good work...

I've been noticing substantially fewer .mil visits lately. Actually, I'm not getting any visits at all from .mil, that I can ID as .mil. Cryptogon used to get hundreds per day. I just assumed that They they started routing the traffic through nodes that resolved back to civilian networks. But maybe not...

It's probably safe to assume that Full Spectrum Dominance applies to the brains of military personnel, and hence the firewall 'approved access' list.

Here's a free (but check out their paid offerings), easy-to-setup tool for folks who are trying to use the web from behind restrictive firewalls: logmein.com.

If you can reach logmein.com from your browser, you can take remote control of any computer that has free access to the Internet; your home computer, for example. Then you will be able to browse cryptogon.com and any other sites that are blocked from work. (Until the donkeys wake up and block logmein.com, of course.) This was an excellent solution for me when I worked for a criminal Wall Street bank that had restrictive firewall policies.

NOTE: If your network warlord is logging keystrokes, it will be able to gain control of your PC. Be careful!

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:57:49 AM EDT, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm said...

Lebanon civilian deaths morally not same as terror victims -- Bolton

Mon Jul 17, 4:47 PM ET

UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - US Ambassador John Bolton said there was no moral equivalence between the civilian casualties from the Israeli raids in Lebanon and those killed in
Israel from "malicious terrorist acts".
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Asked to comment on the deaths in an Israeli air strike of eight Canadian citizens in southern Lebanon Sunday, he said: "it is a matter of great concern to us ...that these civilian deaths are occurring. It's a tragedy."

"I think it would be a mistake to ascribe moral equivalence to civilians who die as the direct result of malicious terrorist acts," he added, while defending as "self-defense" Israel's military action, which has had "the tragic and unfortunate consequence of civilian deaths".

The eight dead Canadians were a Lebanese-Canadian couple, their four children, his mother and an uncle, said relatives in Montreal.

The Montreal pharmacist and his family had arrived in Lebanon 10 days earlier for a vacation in his parents' home village and to introduce his children to relatives, they said.

Three of his Lebanese relatives died too, a family member told AFP.

"It's simply not the same thing to say that it's the same act to deliberately target innocent civilians, to desire their deaths, to fire rockets and use explosive devices or kidnapping versus the sad and highly unfortunate consequences of self-defense," Bolton noted.

The overall civilian death toll from the Israeli onslaught in Lebanon since last Wednesday reached 195, in addition to 12 soldiers, officials said. Twenty-four Israelis have also been killed since fighting began last Wednesday, including 12 civilians in a barrage of Hezbollah rocket fire across the border.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 03:04:40 AM EDT, No death by "tsunami" (understand natural disasters) said...

READ THIS CAREFULLY, other "News" stations are MISLEADING YOU. The people died from BUILDING COLLAPSE, NOT A TSUNAMI ------------------- why am I emphasizing this INPORTANT FACT, because a "tsunami" can ONLY BE CAUSED BY A DISPLACEMENT OF WATER BY ANOTHER OBJECT OF SIMILAR SIZE ------------------ in other words, the Tsunami of 2005 was NOT NATURAL..........



............ I'll let you more intelligent readers think about that for a moment. Once you figured the "secret" of how that happen out, you'll get goose bumps all over. And it helps if you're an expert in seismology, as I am. But, use common sense, and fundamental PHSYICAL PRINCIPLES and you'll figure it out. Just like in the "free-fall" of the World Trade Centres (WTC) --- which feel at free-fall speed. In physical terms, that means the STEEL AND CONCRETE COLLUMNS BELOW OFFERED VIRTUALLY ZERO RESISTANCE.

............ For those with a strong science, engineering or mathematical background, that's one HELL of a red siren. That's just NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE according to the "official" story ----- not possible by a LONG SHOT!



17 July, 2006
INDONESIA
Tsunami sets off panic in southern Java
by Mathias Hariyadi
A underground quake triggers big wave that strikes Cilacap and Pangandaran on Java’s south coast. Buildings collapse; 37 are dead. Fleeing local residents relive the 2004 nightmare all over again.

Jakarta (AsiaNews) – Thousands of residents of the southern Indonesian provinces of Central Java and Java West are fleeing after a tsunami was triggered by an underwater quake off the coast of Jakarta. So far 37 people have been reported killed, but in a public statement Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said the death toll is only provisional. Search and rescue operations are still underway.

The seaquake was set off by an earthquake that measured 7.2 on the Richter scale some 355 kilometres south of Jakarta at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

A two-metre wave hit the coastal region near Cilacap, a tourist resort where state-owned Pertamina Oil Company has important facilities, and the beach town of Pangandaran, which is

State-owned TV was able to broadcast eyewitness accounts of the disaster from the affected area. Teddy, a survivor, said that “people panicked right away. Waves wiped out all the food stands and houses along the beach”.

In both resorts traffic is heavy and in one direction: out. People are fleeing for higher and safer ground leaving everything behind.

“Everyone ion Pangandaran is scared to death,” said Iwan, a local resident. “Hotels, bungalows, villas, bars have been swept away by the sea. People are running away unconcerned about their property, running for their lives.”

Today’s tsunami is a reminder of the December 26, 2004, tragedy that struck several countries around the Indian Ocean, especially Indonesia which suffered more than 140,000 dead.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 03:06:57 AM EDT, important clarification said...

My apologies, that should be Dec 2004.


Note how they "reinforce" the deaths of 140,000 (actually its now accounted for over 220,000) were "caused" by the tsunami ---- that's because there's been a "leak" of information on the INTERNET OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!


........... That's one BIG HINT. Search for "thermonuclear" and "asian tsunami 2004".

 
At Tue Jul 18, 04:43:28 AM EDT, Another "clue" said...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B2BE76DF-B9A4-4428-A2F1-AED486D3399F.htm












PLEASE OBSERVE THE PHOTOS --------------- Building Collapses. Death from building collapse, NOT the 'tsunami' (which is a little ripple, 2 m high at most by the sea shore, nothing, NOTHING compired to Dec 2004). Also note the people displaced, 23,000, is FROM LINGERING FEAR of what happened in Dec 2004. Nothing more.


And that, boys and girls is the key ----------------- Archimedes principle: "To cause water to be displace, and equal volume must occupy its previous location." -------------------


A very simple PHYSICAL LAW/CONCEPT, but none-the-less VERY REVEALING. Just like the "molten steel" that was quickly removed from the wreckage scene of 9/11 ---- to cause HIGH-GRADE reinforced steel to MELT, would require VERY HIGH TEMPERATURES.











Toll rises from Indonesia tsunami

Tuesday 18 July 2006, 7:34 Makka Time, 4:34 GMT

Indonesia sits along a belt of volcanic and seismic activity

At least 201 people have died and 125 are missing after a tsunami struck Indonesia's Java island, the head of the crisis centre at the health ministry says.

Nearly 300 people were reported injured on Tuesday and over 23,000 people have been displaced in the tsunami that followed an earthquake.

A French national was among the dead, and two Dutch and four Japanese were among the injured.

Two Swedish children were reported missing on Monday, a diplomatic source said.

At least three other districts were affected by the waves but Ciamis was the worst-hit by Monday's tsunami.

Waves 2 metres high crashed into beach resorts and fishing villages on Indonesia's Java island on Monday.

Regional agencies had sent out tsunami warnings after an undersea earthquake struck 180km off Pangandaran.

But the alerts did not reach the victims because Java - which only seven weeks ago was rocked by a powerful quake that killed thousands and left a million homeless - does not have a tsunami warning system.

The hardest-hit area appeared to be Pangandaran, a beach resort 270km southeast of Jakarta popular with local and foreign tourists.

Witnesses said people shouted "tsunami! tsunami!" and climbed trees or crowded inland mosques as the wave approached.

The 7.2 magnitude quake, whose epicentre was more than 40km under the Indian Ocean, hit at 0819 GMT.

Refinery unaffected

The 7.2 magnitude quake struck
at 0819 GMT
A woman told Jakarta-based Radio Elshinta that the waves had come several hundred metres inland at Pangandaran beach.

"Waves suddenly came and we ran to the hills. Four people from my group are still missing. Many small hotels were destroyed and boats have been thrown into hotels," she said.

Tremors were felt in high-rise buildings in Jakarta for at least one minute, prompting many to flee their offices.

The nearby Cilacap refinery owned by state oil company Pertamina was unaffected.

"The refinery is operating as usual. There were rising waves, but now the water has receded," said a Pertamina official.

In May, an earthquake near the central Java city of Yogyakarta killed more than 5,700 people.

Indonesia's 17,000 islands sprawl along a belt of intense volcanic and seismic activity, part of what is called the "Pacific Ring of Fire".

The country was the worst hit by the December 26, 2004 tsunami that killed 220,000 across Asia.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 04:48:53 AM EDT, Die for the Elite said...

Guest submission for blogentry,
courtesy DftE

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Fundie Fun Presents.....

Cease Fire, Soldier - Israel Supernaturally Protected!

That's right: the solution to the current crisis has been found, right in our very own Bible. The Rapture Ready Team is with us to interpret the relevant passages of G*D's LOVE for us. Bless them.

You will learn of Israel's SECRET WEAPON: Israel is supernaturally protected! His heavenly all-powerful mightyness who, through his son on Earth, George W. Bush, has a plan to save us all. Israel can disarm, scrap its nukes, dismantle Dimona, destroy its chemical weapons, free its prisoners, and befriend former foes. Why? Because Israel is supernaturally protected!

We continue now with G*D's peace plan, as interpreted by the Rapture Ready (TM) Team, why peace is upon us, Israel can ceasefire, and both sides can disarm for good. The actual, uncensored virtual roundtable dialogue follows. Listen carefully to G*D's LOVE:

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I dont know where I have come up with this but for some reason I keep thinking Israel is supposed to be supernaturally protected from being destroyed. Any scriptures or comments please. It may be just because of the Left Behind 2nd movie who knows. Surely Israel isnt going to be destroyed with WMD, chemical or biological right?
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"um, no"
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1, Try Ezekiel 38 - 39.

2, NO, of course not. Where would Jesus go to set up the Millenium Kingdom?
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[clapping while she types] GOD's chosen ppl, his land that he gave them, I hink not. Big daddy will take care of anyone who makes war against them if it's not in his plan..
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No, isn't there a verse in the Bible that says that either 1/3 or 2/3 of Jerusalem will be destroyed during the Tribulation?
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They will suffer through the tribulation Jerusalem especially. Here is the verse.
The city shall be attacked, it won't be good.

Zech. 13:7-14:3 (KJV)
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. [8] And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. [9] And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
[14:1] Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. [2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. [3] Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
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What is your question? That the land won't be destroyed, the buildings, Israel as a nation, are that the people won't never suffer harm. I think that Israel won't be destroyed as a nation. that was part of his promise to bring them back. I do not think this promise includes divine protection on the whole pop.
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Right happy day, they will never cease to be a nation again and they will be protected by God. On the other hand, they will suffer judgement, the entire tribulation is for Israel, to bring them back to God.
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They will also not come out of these wars unscathed. They will be seriously hurt, but not to death.
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I think they could get hit with a WMD that would cause them to destroy Demascus, but this would not destroy Israel but may cause a great deal of casualities. I do think in the future wars with Russia and Iran, God will supernaturally protect Israel, I say this because as I watch, I think what if those missiles that are hitting were nukes or bio weapons.
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we know that they were supernaturaly protected during the 6 day war...angels..and when they were bombed the gas lines or something like that had been drained...for repair....that was big...sooo but God still has to get their attention....that is what it is all about....and that is what i keep praying for..
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And there you have it folks. Peace on Earth. Thanks, G*D!

Brought to you by Fundie Fun (TM)

 
At Tue Jul 18, 05:09:46 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

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' QRSWAVE: I'm the computer expert. May I suggest you BACK-UP ALL OF THIS WEBSITE.
' blogspot.com & blogger.com are BOTH owned and operated by GOOGLE. Why is this important you ask?!!
' Google is a TOOL of Sergey and Brin, and Eric Smidt -- all of them are Zionists. In particular
' Sergey and Brin are Russian "jews" ----- in particular ASHKENAZI "jews" who have been swindling MILLIONS
' of Americans from BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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' 1) CLICK-FRAUD
' 2) STOCK-FRAUD
' 3) AD-SCAM
' 4) MONEY LAUNDERING TO ISRAEL
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' The Zionists have used this "tool" to propagate "news stories" about China's "censorship". While it may be
' true that China does "censor" some internet content ------- ALL COUNTRIES COMMIT THIS ACTION. All countries,
' non-excluded.
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' Now with the RECENT DEVELOPMENT: China, Russia AND India moving closer together --- we have the "terrorist"
' train bombing, and the "recent hoopla" about NOW INDIA is CENSORING, blah blah blah.
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' Why does this sound so familar. And what are they "censoring", but blogger.com & blogspot.com
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' Qrswave back up your data. Set up your OWN WEBSITE (i.e. host it in countries that have the ABILITY to resist
' Zionist pressure, e.g. Russia). It's not as expensive or difficult as it seems. This way you have CONTROL
' over your website.
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' AND most importantly, you'll have THE INTERNET TRAFFIC LOGS of ALL your readers -------- their IP address,
' where they came from, what previous website referred them, how long they stay at your website, etc ----------
' and MOST IMPORTANTLY what they post ---- because the Internet is not as "anonymous" as you would think!!!
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' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short, EVERYTHING that the Elders of Zion WANT, and is getting through blogger.com
' & blogspot.com. Why did you think Rupert Murdoch, Notorious Zionist Billionare, and owner of News Corp paid
' GOOD MONEY (and we all know how separating "jews" from "their money" is as easy as separatin "wetness" from
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At Tue Jul 18, 05:12:28 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

For you readers who don't know, Rupert Murdock OWNS Myspace.com




Cheers!!!

 
At Tue Jul 18, 06:42:29 AM EDT, The Sphinx said...

This missile/shell signing isn't really new. I remember sometime in the Operation "Desert Fox" against Iraq, one missile was signed: "This is a Ramadan present from Chad Rickenberg", "The boys at the ville say hello", etc..

Check it out (and other incidents) here:

http://www.robert-fisk.com/yusuf_progler_1999.htm

 
At Tue Jul 18, 06:46:11 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

qrswave:

The world would be a rather terrible place without Israel. You just don't see it. Israel is protecting YOUR freedom - and you don't see it.

Hamas, Hezbollah, al queda - it's all from one source. Iran. Israel is fighting a war the US is unwilling to fight. You are too blind to see it.

Given pretty much every single thing you write is a total and utter lie or manipulation, I admit I jumped too quickly in judgment that the shells were 100% dead shells. I admit now that I was hasty to jumping to that conclusion. But that still is nothing compared to the disgusting way the Palestinians dress their children up as martyrs and send them to their death. Or the way they tear apart dead bodies of Israelis they find on the street, and take pictures. I find that a thousand times deplorable. And I have yet to see you post a single picture of any of that, or get upset with any of that. Jewish life doesn't matter, right? Who cares, it's just a dead Jew, or just a dead Israeli, no big deal, right? Oh, right...you also fail to get upset about Muslim terrorism against fellow Muslims. Like the fact that a suicide bomber in Iraq killed 24 people the other day. That was a Muslim killing another Muslim, so who gives a shit, right? It's only of signficance when Israel or the US is involved, huh?

War is hell. Israel is a great place to be if you are Arab Israeli (no matter what you think - it is - given the alternatives in the Middle East to say the VERY least), and it WOULD be a great place to be during times of peace for the Palestinians in the territories. (Well, Neo-Palestinians. In fact, Jews have a longer and more continuous land claim than the so-called "Palestinians, who should really be called Trans-Jordanians, but that is a different story)

The Palestinians brought this on themselves. Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier, and has fired missiles into Israel for months now. Same with Hezbollah. Those are acts of WAR. Israel has a right to defend itself. It's so easy for you to say Israel should just lay down and die, being Arab (and hating Israel, of course), and being in the US.

Ever think, though, what life is like as even an Arab Israeli near Haifa? They have to deal with a constant barrage of rockets from Hezbollah, just as the Jewish Israelis have to deal with it. When you deny Israel the right to defend itself, you also deny it the right to defend the Arab Israelis.

Without Israel, most of the Middle East would erupt into utter chaos. Hatred of the one Jewish state is the one thing that unifies the Middle East. Hatred of the state that has the highest human rights standard (by far) in the Middle East is the one thing that keeps civil war from breaking out.

There is a saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

That's how the Middle East works. Israel is ironically keeping the peace just by its very existence.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 07:14:25 AM EDT, The Sphinx said...

"The world would be a rather terrible place without Israel. You just don't see it. Israel is protecting YOUR freedom - and you don't see it."

Now that makes a lot of sense.

"Hamas, Hezbollah, al queda - it's all from one source. Iran. Israel is fighting a war the US is unwilling to fight. You are too blind to see it."

If Israel disappeared, Iran wouldn't take its place by bullying the countries around it.

"Given pretty much every single thing you write is a total and utter lie or manipulation.."

The biggest liar here is the western media. Qrswave brings credible evidence for everything that's written here. You're living in denial.

"War is hell. Israel is a great place to be if you are Arab Israeli (no matter what you think - it is - given the alternatives in the Middle East to say the VERY least), and it WOULD be a great place to be during times of peace for the Palestinians in the territories."

That doesn't justify anything.

"
The Palestinians brought this on themselves. Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier .."


.. after Israel shelled a beach, killing 8 innocent people and blatantly lying and saying it could've been a palestinian mine (WTF!!).

"Israel has a right to defend itself.."

.. against retaliation against what it has done first. Yes of course, how dare those arab idiots strike back.. Shame on them.

"Ever think, though, what life is like as even an Arab Israeli near Haifa?"

Ever think what life is like as an Arab in Gaza, at this very moment? Think about that for a second.

"They have to deal with a constant barrage of rockets from Hezbollah, just as the Jewish Israelis have to deal with it."

What came first, Hezbollah rockets, or the Israeli raids on Gaza and Lebanon, hm?

"When you deny Israel the right to defend itself, you also deny it the right to defend the Arab Israelis."

You just denied the Arabs the right of defending themselves further up.

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Without Israel, most of the Middle East would erupt into utter chaos. Hatred of the one Jewish state is the one thing that unifies the Middle East. Hatred of the state that has the highest human rights standard (by far) in the Middle East is the one thing that keeps civil war from breaking out."


You _are_ aware of how dumb that sounds aren't you? In the late 90s, before the Intifada started, there was no fighting in this region, and the Middle east didn't go down in chaos. If Israel disappears, Arab countries would rejoice, there wouldn't be any civil war. You make it sound like Israel is the middle eastern police or something, trying to sought peace between the Arab countries that absolutely detest each other and would love to tear each other apart. Please tell me that, I beg you, so I can have a really good reason to label you a dimwit.0

Cheers

 
At Tue Jul 18, 07:31:23 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

a) The Gaza shelling was found to have been caused by the Palestinians. And even the totally biased Human Rights Watch found that at worst it was an accident on Israel's part.

b) The Intifada was wholly started by Arafat, after he refused the deal at Camp David in 2000.

c) So you are arguing that terrorist organizations have a right to defend themselves???

d) Israel keeps the peace by being a common state that to hate. By hating Israel, the Arabs in the Middle East ignore the oppressive regimes that litter the Middle East. Should Israel cease to exist, utter chaos and civil war would likely break out, as the ultimate "wedge issue" would fall away.

The Palestinians were offered MANY peace deals - and turn them down each time, opting instead for violence.

I believe I speak for most of Israelis when I say that I am alll for a Palestinian state, but only under the following conditions:

1) A formal recognition of Israel's right to exist; 2) Laying down of arms; 3) Pledge to end terror; 4) Evidence that the Palestinians can actually be peace partners.

Until all four conditions are met, I am wholly against giving away even a single centimeter of Israeli land to the Palestinians. They have proven to only use their land as a launch pad for terror.

Ironically, this blog's continued support for violence against Israel, it guarantees the Palestinians will NOT have their own state anytime soon. It is clear that unless those four conditions are met, the Palestinians WILL NOT get their own state.

qrswave, if you actually gave half a shit about the Palestinians, you would be focusing on those four conditions.

But you don't care about the Palestinians. You hate Israel, but you don't actually give a shit about the Palestinians.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 07:40:35 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

Let me edit one thing - for I care about truth and accuracy.

The highly biased Human Rights Watch provided no proof that - even if the Gaza beach shelling was Israel's fault - it wasn't an accident. They provided no proof that disproves that. Go to the Human Rights Watch website yourself.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 08:01:08 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

da are you superman? cause like, you copy->paste faster than a speeding bullet

 
At Tue Jul 18, 08:05:10 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

I didn't copy and paste a word of that.

But I am a champion typist who can write upwards of 80 words per minute.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 08:37:52 AM EDT, Anonymous said...

The truth itself is biased against Israel.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 08:56:45 AM EDT, The Sphinx said...

"So you are arguing that terrorist organizations have a right to defend themselves???"

Any human being has the right to defend themselves. Especially if the other side is another terrorist organization.

"Israel keeps the peace by being a common state that to hate. By hating Israel, the Arabs in the Middle East ignore the oppressive regimes that litter the Middle East. Should Israel cease to exist, utter chaos and civil war would likely break out, as the ultimate "wedge issue" would fall away."

And what do the oppressive regimes have anything to do with this? Yes we have oppressive regimes, and yes, we want them gone. So friggin what? That has absolutely squat to do with this Israeli conflict. We've had oppressive governments since 1952. So we have to thank Israel because they're preventing us from fighting against those regimes and getting into trouble? I really don't see any logic in that. Sooner or later they'll have to go anyway, regardless of whether we are fighting a common enemy or not.

"The Palestinians were offered MANY peace deals - and turn them down each time, opting instead for violence."

Really? Read this:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-04/10/content_4407830.htm

Then this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498851330&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Then this:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1145961234749&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

This too:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/06/18/hamas-sun.html

And finally this:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1937644,00.html

No further comment.

"I believe I speak for most of Israelis when I say that I am alll for a Palestinian state, but only under the following conditions:

1) A formal recognition of Israel's right to exist; 2) Laying down of arms; 3) Pledge to end terror; 4) Evidence that the Palestinians can actually be peace partners.
Until all four conditions are met, I am wholly against giving away even a single centimeter of Israeli land to the Palestinians. They have proven to only use their land as a launch pad for terror."


Seeing what Israel has been doing for quite I while, I strongly DOUBT that Israel would stop its crimes straight after the violence from the Palestinian side stops. Don't think that stopping that violence is the magic card for peace around the area. And for your information, the Palestinians are thinking EXACTLY the same towards Israel. They barely see any good intentions from the Israeli side, and won't stop fighting until they see the EXACT SAME CONDITIONS.

It won't work from one side, sorry to tell you. The Israeli government has to do the same. And if it doesn't, then it will once again prove it's own treachery.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 10:39:07 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

Explanation of the signing of missiles from a reliable source, Sand Monkey:

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/07/18/the-fucked-up-pictures-explained/#comments

Given the level of qrswave's hatred, I will be shocked beyond belief if she posts this on the main page.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 10:44:55 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

And sphinx:

You are a vile human being if you believe a terror organization deserves the right to self defense. So I guess La Cosa Nostra and drug cartels similarly deserves that, huh?

Link 1: Hamas wanted a "truce" without disarming, merely so they can regroup and reload weaponry. Israel was right to reject the "truce."

Link 2: Total mistake of fact later disproven by history - Hamas never did accept Israel!

Link 3: Same

Link 4: Who gives a flying fuck if Amnesty slams Israel? Amnesty International has delegimized itself as an international organization years ago. They have given more human rights violations to Israel than the Sudan (where there is an outright genocide at the moment), Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, and North Korea. ISRAEL gets these human rights violations. PLEASE. AI has an agenda they are pushing. That is the bottom line.

Your links prove zippo.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 10:54:04 AM EDT, A. Magnus said...

If terror organizations don't deserve self defense then the state of Israel, which was founded by Irgun and Stern Gang terrorists (who had an ugly habit of collaborating with the Nazis, by the way) is not deserving of self defense. Such is the logic of 'disaffected youth.'

The fact of the matter is that Zionism is nothing more than a socialist form of idol worship; instead of revering G-d and his commandments, a piece of real estate is worshipped in his place and his commandments are ignored. Nobody remembers that G-d's granting of title to Israel was conditional upon the Hebrews keeping his commandments.

I'd be very interested to hear how bearing false witness against your neighbor, coveting his land and killing his brethren is in any way related to keeping G-d's commandments. It is obvious that Hamas and Hezbollah are apostate organizations. What's Israel's excuse?

 
At Tue Jul 18, 11:00:06 AM EDT, disaffected youth said...

A. magnus aka cro magnum man:

You just make shit up, don't you?

The Irgun and Stern Gang were JEWISH and did not collaborate with the Nazis. No, they worked AGAINST the Nazis.

In fact, it was the Palestinians who collaborated with the Nazis. Look up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. He recruited 20,000 'Palestinians' (I use that term loosely because Jews are really the original 'Palestinians') to kill Jews in Hungary and Croatia.

As far as everything else. You are wrong. Zionism is merely a belief in a Jewish homeland, and particularly one in the State of Israel. That's all it is. Arab Israelis have full citizenship rights and are treated better within Israel than what they can expect in most of the Middle East.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 12:19:29 PM EDT, qrswave said...

disaffected youth said:

"You just make shit up, don't you?"

Isn't it also you that said:

"That's right - the children were signing dead shells that HEZBOLLAH dropped into Israel."

It's crystal clear who 'makes shit up.'

 
At Tue Jul 18, 12:59:15 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

The "shells" in the pictures are howitzer rounds, and they are unfired. The howitzer in the background looks like it could be a US M109, which the IDF does have. I don't know if the rounds are M109 rounds. The photos could be captured munitions, but I doubt any responsible parent would let their kids play in a front-line position.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 12:59:47 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

Disaffected youth is an obvious shill. No one is stupid enough to believe that spent artillery shells or bullets fall from the sky in perfect condition to be used again and again. Chances are he's working for the Rendon group or a like organization (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8798997/the_man_who_sold_the_war/) He gets paid to waste your time with patently ridiculous, spurious arguments which he doesn't believe any more than anyone else here does. Just ignore him.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:03:43 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

qrswave:

I corrected myself, in contrast to the commentator. Will you? Especially given the sand monkey link I sent re: this story.

Of course not.

Hate, hate, hate, that's all that rules your day.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:03:46 PM EDT, Nick said...

Uh, those shells LOOK live...

"Arab Israelis have full citizenship rights and are treated better within Israel than what they can expect in most of the Middle East."

LOL...you really are clueless.

Since 1967, when Israel conquered these areas (the final 22 percent of mandatory Palestine), Palestinians have been living under Israeli military occupation. While in some parts Israel has allowed a Palestinian “autonomous” entity to take on such municipal functions as education, health care, infrastructure and policing, Israel retains overall power.

According to international law, an occupying force is responsible for the protection of the civilian population living under its control. Israel, however, ignores this requirement, routinely committing violations of the Geneva Conventions, a set of principles instituted after World War II to ensure that civilians would “never again” suffer as they had under Nazi occupation. Israel is one of the leading violators of these conventions today.

Israeli forces regularly confiscate private land; imprison individuals without process – including children – and physically abuse them under incarceration; demolish family homes; bulldoze orchards and crops; place entire towns under curfew; destroy shops and businesses; shoot, maim, and kill civilians – and Palestinians are without power to stop any of it.

Get a clue.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:13:08 PM EDT, ksdrover2 said...

'disaffected youth',

"I see no evidence that those missiles are going out. NONE. The link I saw merely said they were shells. I find it hard to believe that Israeli shells are left out in the open for people to sign like that.
Okay, I may be wrong. They could be outgoing shells - I looked it up and it didn't say either way whether it was an incoming or outgoing shell. I still see no proof that the children wrote that everyone must die."

I see a lot of conflict in your posts. There is a solution that brings peace and confidence. I also find it hard to believe they would be allowed to sign shells like that but THEY ARE. I find everything that zionists do 'hard to believe' probably because their mentality requires that the brain be hard wired to hate.

Many Orthodox Jews are just as opposed to the existence of zionist 'israel' as the people on this forum and ironically they are NOT filled with the same measure of hate that zionists are, so that reveals the nature of zionism.

Stick around the more you hear and read the truth the better chance you stand of having your eyes opened.

peace
ksdrover

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:16:53 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

It's certainly appalling to see children do this. Try to forgive them, they are too young to fully understand what they are doing. They are simply reflecting the hatred of adults, quite likely their parents. Perhaps one day they will look back on these pictures in shame and regret.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:19:52 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

disaffected youth...

those are shells on the way out. fresh.

the green warhead is actually the only thing that would reach the target. and since they are explosive not only those are retrievable after hitting "israel".

these are israeli shells preparing to be shot at lebanese and palestinian civilians (considering the statistics are about 95% in favour of that statement, it is accurate).

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:23:43 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

DEAD SHELLS DO NOT HAVE CASINGS...

THEY WORK LIKE BULLETS, ONLY THE GREEN THING REACHES THE TARGET. AND DOESN'T EVEN END UP IN ONE PIECE (it explodes).

Please don't get caught up in disaffected youth's bs.

Not only are those live outgoing shells (and yes it is easy to walk around military hardware in israel if you are white/jewish), but they were 90% PAID FOR BY AMERICAN MILITARY AID.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:27:46 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

from the headline:
Israeli girls write messages in Hebrew on shells ready to be fired toward Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:31:46 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

qrswave:

"I corrected myself, in contrast to the commentator. Will you? Especially given the sand monkey link I sent re: this story.

Of course not.

Hate, hate, hate, that's all that rules your day."

Those are live shells. If they were incoming rockets from Lebanon they would be dented, unreadable, or would have been most likely totally destroyed upon impact. If they were duds they would have been buried in the ground and also dented and unreadable. These show no signs of having been buried in the dirt.

No, those are more than likely tank rounds to be used by that Israeli tank sitting in the background. I would say HE/DP rounds or similar as I double that tank is firing smoke or something.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:48:00 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

Folks,

The shells are almost certainly 155mm artillery shells which will be fired by the M109 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer (the 'tank' you see in the background), see http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m109.htm . The tip of the shells (that green cone) is the fuse for the shell (probably air burst with contact back up). These round are ABSOLUTELY/POSITIVELY not used (i.e. they have yet to be fired). The reason for this are simple; they are stacked in a neat row and show no damage. Any artillery round which has been fired and landed as a dud will be bent and distorted, these shells are pristine and unfired.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:50:13 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

No one in their right mind would let a child near a shell that had failed to explode. The fuzing state of an unexploded shell is unknown and therefore extremely dangerous. Militaries maintain highly trained teams to deal with unexploded ordinance. It is deadly and demanding work. And under NO circumstance would multiple pieces of unexploded ordinance be stacked together as in this photo; that would multiply the risk.

Also, these are artillery shells. Hezbollah uses rockets.

I can say with 100% certainty that these are Israeli artillery shells that have yet to be fired.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:54:57 PM EDT, Pokerhead said...

Are you people awake? Of course those shells are live. Everyone knows that. And the act of writing messages on outgoing shells and bombs was originated in the United States. Either you guys are young and dumb, or you need to brush up on American history. Israel is who they are now because WE made them that way. They emulate the United States in everything that they do. Israel is interested in syria and Iran, and dragging "daddy" (the U.S.) in to do all the dirty work for them. So, Wake up, Turn off puff daddy, and let's do something to stop Israel now.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 01:58:25 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

I already acknowledged I was wrong about the missiles being dead missiles. But there is an explanation for all this.

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/07/18/the-fucked-up-pictures-explained/

Read it if you actually care about the truth. (which you don't)

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:02:51 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

Zionists and Israel is the cancer of humanity and the only cure for this disease to to heavily radiate that region and kill all the detritis illegally occupying that area and terrorizing the world. These dirty fucks deserve every horrible infliction possible because this is the only way they will learn. Give them a heavy dose of what they give the world.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:13:31 PM EDT, A. Magnus said...

More nonsense from 'disaffected uncouth:'

"The Irgun and Stern Gang were JEWISH and did not collaborate with the Nazis. No, they worked AGAINST the Nazis."

By blowing up British military installations and civilian hotels in Palestine during World War II and afterwards, no less.

Don't forget it was the World Zionist Congress that blocked the emigration of Hungarian Jews from Nazi controlled Europe to the U.S. because they were not going to Palestine.

"As far as everything else. You are wrong. Zionism is merely a belief in a Jewish homeland, and particularly one in the State of Israel. That's all it is. Arab Israelis have full citizenship rights and are treated better within Israel than what they can expect in most of the Middle East."

Except that Arab Israelis are forbidden by law to marry Jewish Israelis. Nor are they allowed to serve in the IDF. And if they're especially good, they might be allowed to catch a frisbee thrown by a Jewish Israeli, but only while leaping mid-air and catching it between their teeth.

You can polish that apartheid turd all you want, but in the end it's still just a turd. It's nice of you to justify beliefs in a Jewish homeland while keeping G-d out of the discussion. I suggest you reread Numbers and Deuteronomy to find the TRUE basis for G-d's title of ownership for the Holy Land. It has to do with keeping his commandments-period.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:15:29 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

Down with Israel

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:17:15 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

"Read it if you actually care about the truth. (which you don't)"

I looked at the site you mentioned and read the explanation. It certainly could be plausable in my view. Especially the portion where Lisa stated about the twelve foreign photographers egging the kids on when they came out of the bomb shelters. I also found the comment "Hey, your cousins in America will see you." very telling. The last paragraph though makes perfect sense:

"and a big problem is that the israeli tv does not show dead
lebanese. it shows destroyed buildings, but not dead bodies. so no one has a
face of the dead in their minds. too aware of our own suffering, etc."

Thats exactly how the Iraq and Afghan wars were shown here in the U.S. Few, if any civilian casualties were shown unless they were killed by the so called "terrorists". If this is accurate, its sad to see adults using children as a propaganda tool.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:20:51 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

a.magnus:

Let's examine the ways you are wrong...

1) Arab Israelis in fact are allowed to marry Jewish Israelis. They were always allowed civil unions, but a recent Israeli Supreme Court opinion also gives them the right to marry.

2) You are flat out wrong re: Irgun/Stern blocking efforts to save the Jews. They did the exact opposite.

3) Irgun/Stern attacked British military installations, and I don't defend all they did. However, they did that because the Brits were siding with the Palestinians at the time and they were trying to apply pressure to the Brits. I don't think it's okay, what they did. But that is not the same as helping Hitler. Irgun/Stern did not help Hitler. The Palestinians helped Hitler. It's called BOOKS. READ THEM. LOOK UP THE FACTS.

4) There is no apartheid in Israel. I bet you don't even know what apartheid means.

I also am an atheist and don't give a crap what the bible says, and don't base the notion of a Jewish state on the bible. Israel is a righteous state, and the one democracy in the region. Yes, I back Israel.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:22:45 PM EDT, qrswave said...

Sandmonkey (appropriately named) said (quoting the source explaining the images):

"so the kids, who were bored and restless and had been cooped up in bomb shelters for 5 days, took the felt markers and drew messages to nasrallah

there were no cries of hatred toward lebanese

and a big problem is that the israeli tv does not show dead
lebanese. it shows destroyed buildings, but not dead bodies. so no one has a face of the dead in their minds. too aware of our own suffering, etc.

make sense?"


NO. You stupid MF, it doesn't 'make sense.'

These girls are obviously old enough to understand that bombs kill people and that dying isn't fun.

Moreover, having been in a constant state of warfare (by choice) for over 50 years, I am certain that these "little" girls are familiar with exactly how those big metal things WORK.

And even if they aren't - I see two mother figures in the background - they most certainly know what they're letting these girls do.

It is SICK and TWISTED and there is no explanation that can excuse it.

However, there is some truth in what he said:

Israelis ARE classicly "too aware of [their] own suffering."

They suffer from Narcissistic Paranoid Delusions and it results in just this kind of psychotic disregard for the lives of others.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:22:46 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

Anon - glad you see the truth!

Let me relink the Sand Monkey explanation of what happened in the pictures, because I know qrswave won't.

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/07/18/the-fucked-up-pictures-explained/

NOTE: Sand Monkey is an Egyptian Muslim.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:27:36 PM EDT, qrswave said...

"Let me relink the Sand Monkey explanation of what happened in the pictures, because I know qrswave won't."

You have a remarkable knack for making a fool of yourself, disaffected.

"NOTE: Sand Monkey is an Egyptian Muslim."

No group of people is perfect.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:28:16 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

qrswave:

You are the narcissist. You are the one who believes Israeli life is insignificant. I actually am upset about the death of Lebanese. You don't give a shit about the death of Israelis - at least from everything I have seen on your site.

And note the part about no calls of hatred towards the Lebanese.

Let me add one more thing. I do think it was extreme negligence on Israel's part to allow kids into a war zone, and someone should be prosecuted for that one. I didn't believe that such negligence was possible on Israel's part, so I had a knee jerk reaction that it was impossible. I take that back. But this has been blown up beyond all proportion of what happened.

That said, I automatically disbelieved qrswave's site because of the extreme hate-based (and low-fact based) nature of it all.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:31:31 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

At Tue Jul 18, 02:22:45 PM EDT, qrswave said...
"And even if they aren't - I see two mother figures in the background - they most certainly know what they're letting these girls do.

It is SICK and TWISTED and there is no explanation that can excuse it."

This is true. In either case, its sick and twisted. Hell, I bet the mother types standing in the background where smiling like the devil himself while they egged the children on. Definately sick. The hatred is on both sides and always has been.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:40:25 PM EDT, qrswave said...

"That said, I automatically disbelieved qrswave's site because of the extreme hate-based (and low-fact based) nature of it all."

How pathetic.

You're at this so-called "extreme hate-based (and low-fact based)" site practically every minute of the day.

You're obsessed. And you're angry that I have a voice that I'm not afraid to use in defense of the defenseless.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:45:11 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

qrswave:

I am not angry you have a voice. I am angry you use your voice to spread hate. And I am obsessed with proving the extent of your hate, to my distraction unfortunately, yes.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 02:51:30 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

im not sure this has been posted...


but, wouldnt dead/incoming shells be a little dented and in worse shape than they look.

hmmmmmm.. common sense GOES along way!!!!!!!

 
At Tue Jul 18, 03:26:10 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

Why did Albert Einsteinm refer to Menachim Begin and his supporters as "Nazis", and "terrorists" and "fascists", disaffected youth??

Are you familiar with the letter Einstein co-wrote to the New York Times in 1948 concerning Begin's "terrorist party" and its acticities?

Who exterminated Count Folke Bernadotte --a man who organized the rescue of thousands of Jews from Nazi concentration camps - and what was the reason for doing so?

Speak up...

 
At Tue Jul 18, 03:35:20 PM EDT, disaffected youth said...

The assassination of the Count occurred years after the Holocaust. It has nothing to do with Irgun/Stern supporting the Nazis. It was done by an Israeli rebel group I never said I supported - the Lehi - and not by the Haganah.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/folke.html

 
At Tue Jul 18, 03:38:19 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

In regard to the girls signing the 'shells;, in this photo you can see on the closest missle it says "from Israel and Danielle"....

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/F/f9bc38f9-a3a9-401f-b864-a02b3a24f678.html?SITE=TXCLU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 
At Tue Jul 18, 03:57:17 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

Those are not dead shells those are brand new ones. You can see the helmet heads are new and shinny, and it is written the made in hebrew, so I wonder if Hezbollah is using jewish shells? dear jews we are not that idiots as you may think

 
At Tue Jul 18, 04:11:35 PM EDT, Anonymous said...

"Shells from hezbollah...."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
what a psychotic idiot.
They look SOOOOO exploded.

 
At Tue Jul 18, 04:17:28 PM EDT, Daniel said...

There is no defense for these images. To be fair, I've seen simillar images of armed Palestinian children. This is simply madness and it must stop...


According to AFP -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060717/pl_afp/mideastconflictlebanon_060717204728

"The overall civilian death toll from the Israeli onslaught in Lebanon since last Wednesday reached 195, in addition to 12 soldiers, officials said. Twenty-four Israelis have also been killed since fighting began last Wednesday, including 12 civilians in a barrage of Hezbollah rocket fire across the border."



So according to these numbers, the Lebanese offensive has a civilian collateral death rate of a whopping 50%!! That's pretty high, even considering that many of their rockets are quite primitive.

What do the Israeli numbers say... hrmm, 207 kills, 195 of them civilian...er... wtf??? 94% of those killed by Israelis have been civilians? Even with their laser guided smart bombs and other precision munitions? How can this possibly be? What's happening is obvious... collective punishment with no regard for civilians. Who are the terrorists?

 
At Tue Jul 18, 04:31:35 PM EDT, BAINEBANNY said...

I SEE I NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND SAY THIS EVERYDAY.

IF YOU THINK THE "JEWS THAT ARE BOMBING LEBANON ARE THE SAME JEWS FROM THE BIBLE.

YOU ARE A FOOL

THESE PEOPLE ARE WHITE SOVIETS AND EUROPEANS

LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSES SKIN TONE IN THAT REGION THAT WANTS ISRAEL DESTROYED

THEY ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR
EVEN THE IMPOSTERS TURN BROWN FROM "LIVING" IN THE REGION

STOP SAYING THESE LAND STEALERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THE LAND THEY STOLE

IF YOU WOKE UP TOMORROW WITH THE MEXICAN ARMY IN YOUR BACKYARD I GARUANTEE YOUR NOT GONNA SAY OH WELL AND SHRUG IT OFF
50 TO 100 YEARS FROM NOW YOU WOULD STILL WANT THEM DEAD!

BUT MAYBE SINCE YOU SUPPORT ALL THIS AND YOUR NOT OVER THER FIGHTING BUT SUPPORTING THE AMERICAN AND ISREAL TROOPS FROM BEHIND A KEYBOARD INSTEAD OF AN M-16 YOU WOULDNT DEFEND YOUR OWN BACKYARD

THE "ISREALIS" HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST 100 YEARS, HELL THE US BEEN STOLEN LONGER THAN THAT
JUST LIKE NATIVE AMERICANS ANDAFRICAN AMERICANS WILL FOREVER HOLD RESENTMENT SO WILL THE ARABS

POINT BLANK

 
At Tue Jul 18, 04:38:44 PM EDT, nesNYC said...

Never have I witnessed s