‘Israel right or wrong’ is not a grown-up debate
By Gerard Baker, March 30, 2007
America’s prejudices are a barrier to Middle East peace
The blowtorch of media scrutiny is steadily taking layers of gaudy paint off the happy caravan that is Barack Obama’s presidential campaign. Last week his hometown newspaper, the Chicago Tribune, subjected some of the claims made in his compelling autobiography, Dreams from my Father, to the unforgiving audit of the fact-checker. It turns out that the title might have been even more appropriate than it seemed, since some of the incidents Mr Obama eloquently relates about his early life may have been more the stuff of idealised reverie than reality.
But all politicians embellish their life story a bit. No election can be won without an appealing “personal narrative”. If George Washington didn’t really cut down that cherry tree, then surely Mr Obama can be forgiven for misplacing his role in some of his earliest recollections of the civil rights movement.
Of much more interest is the flak that the Democratic senator is taking for some remarks he made about the Middle East. Hillary Clinton, his main opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination in next year’s election, has seized upon them as proof that the senator cannot be trusted with US national security nor as a true friend of Israel.
What exactly, was the young senator’s offence? Did he, in an unguarded moment of adolescent radicalism, say something nice about Yassir Arafat? Did he call on Israel to give back the occupied territories?
Here, for the record, is precisely what he said, in a speech in Iowa a few weeks ago: “Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people.”
The response to this little aside, the shower of invective heaped on Mr Obama from all sides of the political arena, is instructive and depressing. In American political debate, saying something sympathetic about the Palestinians is evidently now deemed unsayable. Even as mild and neutral an observation as noting that Palestinians are “suffering” is considered a gaffe somewhat akin to expressing a kindly word for KGB pensioners.
The potential political penalties for such dangerous talk are well demonstrated by Mr Obama’s own rather pitiful response to the incident. Under pressure for his remarks, his spokesman “clarified” them, saying that what Mr Obama meant was that Palestinians were suffering because of the cruelties of their own, Hamas-dominated leadership. Phew! Thank goodness he cleared that one up. We thought for a horrible moment he might have been offering just the minutest criticism of Israeli policy.
It is sadly true, as America’s critics contend, that US debate about the Middle East is constrained within an impossibly narrow field of discussion. In fact it is striking that it is much easier for an Israeli to say things critical of the Israeli Government than it is for an American to offer the same critique. No one questions the anti-terrorist bona fides of those who express concern for the plight of the Palestinians there.
A popular view outside America, occasionally expressed inside the US, is that the limits to debate about the Middle East are set by some powerful group called the Israel Lobby. This shadowy bunch, depending on your favoured conspiracy theory, either bankrolls all American politicians or plants its own members in critical positions inside the US Government. No politician dare step out of line from what is decreed acceptable by the Lobby. Last year two academics gave public voice to this view in a paper that quickly earned notoriety.
But fixation on the Israel lobby is not only misplaced and, with its evocation of wealthy bankers and unscrupulous political consultants, just a tiny bit antiSemitic. It also misses the real reasons that the US can’t seem to have a sensible discussion now about the Middle East.
That there is an Israel lobby in American politics is not really in dispute. In a political system as vast and complex as America’s, all kinds of groups seek to influence the outcome of the policy debate. There is also an Ireland lobby, a Taiwan lobby, and for all I know a Liechtenstein lobby. The Israel lobby is certainly among the more influential, but its influence is still much less than its critics think, and much, much less important than a range of factors that keep politicians on the straight and narrow with regard to the Middle East.
Some of these reasons are to do with internal political developments long in the making. The rise of evangelical Christianity as a political force, especially within the Republican Party, has something to do with it. The belief that the Jews must be returned to the Biblical lands of Judaea and Samaria before the world can end has driven up support for an aggressive Israeli approach to its neighbours in the Holy Land.
Those of us who are not evangelical Zionists will feel a little queasy about that idea. But there are two good reasons why Americans are sensitive about criticism of Israel that have nothing to do either with the power of the mysterious lobby or with the millennarian theology of certain protestant groups.
Most Americans, whatever their religious or political views, feel a special solidarity with Israel. Part of it is to do with strong similarities in national consciousness, a sense that both America and Israel were founded as refuges for persecuted national Americans believe — rightly, as it happens — that if it hadn’t been for US intervention, the Holocaust might have succeeded in annihilating every last Jew from the earth. They feel — again, correctly — that without staunch US support for the past 40 years, Israel would almost certainly have ceased to exist. Since September 11, 2001, this sense of solidarity has only deepened. The same jihadism that wants to destroy Israel, and has murdered thousands of Jews over the decades, now targets America and its people.
But none of this should be allowed to prevent a proper debate in America about the Middle East. The lesson of Mr Obama’s “gaffe” is that the rules of American politics mean it is impossible for politicians to express sympathy for Palestinians in their plight or to argue that Israel must bear at least some responsibility for alleviating it. Playing by those rules might pave the way to the White House. It will never smooth the way to Middle East peace.




and on American history, on solidarity with the presecuted and terrorized Jews, on the Holocaust and on the big bad Islamists, who also target America.
But don´t you dare to blame it on the Israel lobby and it´s money. That´s anti-semitic, you know. If it wasn´t for American campassion and solidarity with the persecuted, Obama would be just as afraid of the Lichtensteiners, bowing before them just as deep.
OLMERT REJECTS PALESTINIAN RIGHT OF RETURN
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: March 30, 2007
TEL AVIV, March 30 — Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in interviews published today that Israel would not allow A SINGLE PALESTINIAN REFUGEE to return to
what is now Israel and that Israel bore no responsibility
for the refugees, whose plight resulted from ( Guess What ? )
an attack by Arab nations on the fledgling state.
http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/snakebite/Wars.html#_Toc521738397
He also said that a renewed Arab consensus on a peace plan is encouraging, because “a bloc of states is emerging that understands that they may have been wrong to think that Israel is the world’s greatest problem.”
Mr. Olmert, pointing to the new ARAB concern, led by Saudi Arabia and other Sunni states, about the nuclear ambitions of IRAN, called the shift “a revolutionary change
in outlook.”
Mr. Olmert was referring to the Riyadh summit of Arab nations that ended on Thursday, and he was speaking to the Israeli daily Haaretz. But it was only one of a series of interviews published just before the Passover holiday, when every Israeli paper traditionally has its own interview with the prime minister.
Israel has reacted with ambivalence and skepticism to the Saudi effort to revive the 2002 Arab League initiative, which stemmed from a Saudi effort to push things forward in the Middle East and get back into Western good graces after the involvement of SO MANY SAUDIS in the AL QAEDA attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The 2002 initiative essentially offers Israel peace and acceptance in the region in return for a settlement with the Palestinians on 1967 lines and an agreed solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war and their descendants.
As written, however, the 2002 proposal, reconfirmed in Riyadh without changes, is unacceptable to Mr. Olmert, and he repeated his reasons why. But unlike a Labor predecessor, Ehud Barak, who negotiated with the Clinton Administration about the possibility of even a symbolic return of some refugees to their pre-war homes, Mr. Olmert said that he could not accept the return of even a SINGLE PALESTINIAN REFUGEE to Israel.
Mr. Olmert’s interview in The Jerusalem Post seemed to harden his stand so far as to rule out any negotiation on the key issue of refugees.
He would not accept any Palestinian “right of return” to their homes, he said, and told the newspaper: “I’ll never accept a solution that is based on their return to Israel, any number.”
Mr. Olmert insisted that the refugee problem was caused by the Arab attack on Israel in 1948 and called it “a moral issue of the highest standard.” He said “I will not agree to accept any kind of Israeli responsibility for the refugees. Full stop.” Then he added: “I don’t think we should accept any kind of responsibility for the creation of this problem. Full stop.” He said the return of EVEN ONE PALESTINIAN REFUGEE is “out of the question.”
Palestinians say that even before the Arab nations attacked Israel, many Arabs fled or were forced to flee by Jewish irregulars, and were not allowed to return after the war.
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni also has spoken of the problem of the refugee clauses in the Arab League initiative, but she normally says that as Israel is the homeland for Jewish refugees who fled or were expelled from Arab countries, so
a new state of Palestine should be the homeland for Palestinian refugees. ( "Palestans", Anyone ? )
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/israel-palestine...
Shimon Peres, a deputy prime minister, has said that the Arab initiative will work only as a negotiating position, and that Israel would be happy to sit down with Arab leaders and negotiate. “Otherwise, I’m afraid, we shall go in a vain debate that will lead nowhere,” he said.
Israeli officials say that in private, some Arab leaders acknowledge that the initiative can only be the basis for negotiation, and that a final peace will involve some flexibility on 1967 boundaries and refugees, much as the Clinton Administration was proposing. But in public, Mr. Olmert,
like the Arab leaders, sticks to an uncompromising line.
( I can't help but wonder if total denial of any Palestinian
'Right of Return' is some sick way of celebrating "Passover",
( an annual Jewish feast of emancipation, preceding Easter. )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover
How 'passed over' do you think Palestinian children feel ?

Truth Seeker--these zionist-aipac terrorists make up only a minute percentage of people in this country, maybe 150,000-300,000 combined. We need media reform and Blackwater to target these guys and fill the fema camps being built around the country with them..Palestine needs to be freed and the next US president should only be elected if he cuts off all aid to israel and forces a totAL divestment from them along with other countries until israel gets 100% off palestine and all refugees are returned to palestine..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT..
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul363.html