Daryl Bradford Smith Indicted!

Although Fester comes up with a good turn of phrase now and again, his criticism and claims of "faulty" reasoning by opponents of his absurdities are equivalent to a fat guy calling a thin person "fat". For that reason, being attacked by Fester is similar to being savaged by a dead sheep.

Einstein's memorable quotes included, "If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker." Fester will forever be associated with phrases about "dung heaps" and the like. There is an explanation: Smith lives on a farmhouse. Given the comical nature of Smith's assertions, if I may be so bold, I would like to suggest a name for the Smith residence: "The Funny Farm".

UAZ says:

Or why not the simplest explanation? That AFP employed Bollyn to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist publication.

This beggars belief. The Zionists would not deliberately choose to let the movement's "finest reporter bar none" continue to expose their crimes for a full five years, merely to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was. It is similar to my proposal that iamthewitness is really Zionist-controlled, but has been exposing some Zionist crimes to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist outlet. However, I do not maintain that iamthewitness has exposed more than everyone else ... which is why my theory works and Smith's fails. Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney (see below).

Petherick is referring to the Sam Danner hoax.

That's one story that he would have had in mind, but he probably had his doubts over the arrest story, the claim of a conspiracy involving Homeland Security, Piper, Makufka and the Hoffman Estates police, the seismic spikes, the misquoting of Peter Tully and Mark Loizeaux regarding molten steel, the 2000 "death threat" from Alex Kantoravich, plus the ensuing lack of trust from Bollyn's association with buffoons who maintained that AFP was "Zionist-controlled".

As debus correctly pointed out, the terrible trio's M.O. is to create mistrust of everyone else, then, when you have psychologically primed the reader, reduce that anxiety by bringing in the soothing reassurance that they can trust Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn will do your thinking for you!

I have always found it more rewarding to do my own thinking, rather than swallow someone else's pre-packaged belief system. But how can you have an argument with a cult follower? To them, logic is a stranger.

It wasn't Bollyn's fault that Danner's story was unreliable.

It's just rather telling that it was Bollyn and Hufschmid who were pushing this story, and Eric was even trying to suggest the voicemails had been faked and Sam had been got at, long after everyone else had twigged that it was a hoax.

I don't know about the The Onion thing. We only have Piper's word on this.

Yes, it would be nice to have some corroboration, but I view Piper as a more reliable witness than Bollyn.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_7June2006.html

Thanks, I'll have a listen sometime. Grove's job was to create red herrings and divert attention from Israel; Heller provided Israel's shills with airtime.

You're evading the issue. Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, other than TFC? You only identify the obvious agents, and pretend there are no sophisticated disinfo operations other than TFC.

It is absurd to suggest Ernst Zundel or Germar Rudolf are Zionist agents. Zundel was in jail for over 4 years before even getting a trial, and he was firebombed for his pains. Rudolf was on the run for years, fleeing from country to country. But iamthewitness don't limit themselves to just one or two suspects. Stupidity multiplied 144-fold is gross stupidity.

However, the Zionists' tactics include infiltrating internet blogs and forums, posing as "anti-Zionists" whilst promoting the iamthe witness site. Here at WUFYS, for example, click on "Fester" and then "track" to view his posts, and the record shows that he started shamelessly promoting iamthewitness on Feb 25, promoting Bollyn on Feb 26, and then attempting to sell iamthewitness again on Feb 27. Another of his incarnations, lotus, peaked at about mid-March and seems to have been quietly "retired". ProudJewishZionist presented as an overt pro-Zionist operative.

But don't you agree that infiltrating forums and posing as 'anti-Zionists' would be a likely M.O. of the Zionists?

Better to overestimate them than to underestimate them like you are doing here.

Even if I have underestimated them, there is no advantage in labelling people as agents on the flimsiest of 'evidence', such as Mark Lane was once photographed with Jane Fonda, and William Rodriguez was once photographed receiving a "suspicious" handshake. Why become paranoid over people who are almost certainly not agents? Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are far more likely agents than most of their 'suspects'.

Do you really think Rumsfeld and especially Silverstein would "slip" in such an explicit manner? Those quotes are well-planned, deliberate deceptions. Bush's "first plane" could be explained as him simply being an idiot, but not the other two.

I agree that rather too much has been read into those quotes. I have never concentrated on them too much, since they are not enough for a conviction. But on balance, the "pull it" quote wouldn't have been good for Silverstein.

And it's interesting that the Smithsonians are always promoting the view that Bush is simply an idiot who couldn't even "wipe his own fanny", as Smith puts it.

Some cannot accept the idea that Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith are Zionist agents, because they have "done too much to expose Zionism". However, the concept of gatekeepers who shift attention from Israel over to the Bush administration is generally accepted by truth-seekers. An early example was Jared Israel's Emperor's Clothes site, which debunked the official 9/11 story and detailed incriminating evidence against Bush, Cheney and Myers. Gerard Holmgren produced an excellent article debunking the official story but suggested the Bush regime was to blame, and Alex Jones fights the Orwellian police state and exposes the crimes of the "globalists". All three tend to avoid mention of Israel, or say they do not think there is evidence against Israel. This has raised question marks over their sincerity, but does not prove that they are secretly working for Israel. A better explanation is that they are not secretly receiving payments, but are genuine anti-war, pro-liberty activists who share the view that their approach of not broaching the subject of Israel provides the best prospects for their career.

Zionists could include the Israeli state, the Mossad, the CIA, the Bush regime, the Rothschilds, organised World Jewry, all of whom are not necessarily one big happy family. For example, when Pan Am 103 exploded in 1988 in the skies over Lockerbie, the bombing is believed by some to have been the work of the Mossad, in order to eliminate CIA operatives who stumbled upon a Mossad drug running operation. If it is not too unreasonable to imagine that Israel might sponsor agents to shift the blame on to Bush, surely the CIA or Bush regime would correspondingly try to divert attention to Israel. Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith expose some of Israel's crimes, in order to present themselves as "genuine anti-Zionists". At the same time, they suggest that Bush is merely a harmless moron, when both the Bush regime and Israel are complicit. The iamthewitness team's intelligence agency contacts would provide them with relatively harmless information to 'reveal'. A proportion of disinformation would be thrown in to tarnish the credibility of the sheep who fell for the Judas goats' deceptions and replicated the claims. In any case, many of Smith's disclosures relate to old material such as Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution, which does not threaten contemporary criminals.

Smith's 'talent' is his ability to project an air of apparent 'sincerity', and to manipulate his guests into indulging in some ad-lib malicious gossip about individuals whom Smith is trying to label as "Crypto-Zionists". The bad news is that some decent people have heard his shows and fallen for his spiel. The good news is that Smith is a spent force. Guests soon realise how they have been manipulated and entrapped - e.g. Eustace Mullins - and decide they will have nothing more to do with Smith. So when he runs out of people, the only remaining guests on his show will be Hufschmid, Bollyn, and other Zionist agents.

I think some of the errors regarding the patsies is also deliberate deception. How could they have let half of the patsies alive after 9/11? It makes no sense.

They couldn't get enough patsies, and had to rely on stolen passports for the remainder. That is the more economical explanation.

They didn't really accuse any of those of being agents, though they may have suggested the possibility.

Why bother to even suggest it when the evidence is so flimsy that not even Smith's team dare "really accuse" them? Unless, of course, Smith's gang are agents.

I agree with Smith's comments on the Iranians. Who in his right mind would invite David Duke to such a conference? It was obvious from the start that the world media would exploit his KKK past to smear the entire conference. Someone there wasn't thinking straight, or there's something more sinister going on beyond mere incompetence.

The conference was supposed to be about establishing whether the "holocaust" happened, and they needed people who were knowledgeable about Zionist deceptions and crimes. Why should the participants worry too much about how the Zionist media would report the event? The Zionists would have tried to smear the event anyway, and Duke's participation helped to give it more publicity. It is generally accepted that Duke put up a good showing when being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer. There is no need to propose a conspiracy theory.

Another theory is that Smith is a pedophile and was given the ultimatum: Work for us and you'll be protected. Otherwise, you'll go to jail as a pedophile.

Where does that theory come from? Wasn't it ConspiracyCentral that created this rumor that Smith was a pedophile? Are you taking those idiots at ConCen seriously?

I don't know who started it. But Smith proposed that David Irving was a pedophile. Irving's actions can easily be explained as an elderly man threatened with ten years' jail unless he backed down, in which case he would serve one to two years maximum. I considered Smith a more likely pedophile than Irving, since it would at least explain Smith's cointelpro actions and the move to France.

I don't know how the Freedman speech came into his hands, but he had good connections from early on, hence his numerous high-profile guests. IIRC, he said he got a lot of these contacts from his friend Michel Chussodovsky of GlobalResearch.ca.

There are some interesting features of the Freedman audio. The shorter 27:36 minutes Part I undergoes marked changes in quality, going from muffled just before 7:00 to showing an improved treble response at about 7:30, similar to a well-played cassette tape with the alignment of the tape with the head varying as the tape runs. The short version has been filtered, cutting out the mains hum and the audible stylus crackles present in the long version. Did Smith's team get a cassette version to digitise? Also, there is a whistling interference, similar to an adjacent AM radio station. The whistling is sometimes heard on Smith's broadcasts. At times, it is slightly different and sounds like he has birds in his farmhouse.

That person you quoted, Robert M. Stockmann, promotes Phelps' Jesuits/Vatican nonsense and calls Flocco, Phelps, Szymanski, and the rest of Jesuit shills genuine truth seekers. That would mean that we should take anything this person says with a huge grain of salt.

Yes, but Eric Hufschmid says the Apollo landings were "faked", and that Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel are Zionist agents. So it would be silly to take his word on anything.

I would like to read this article from Piper that you cite [on Hitler not being Jewish and not secretly working for the Zionists]. Is it only in the print edition of AFP?

AFP do not seem to have published it; Piper said on his April 17 show that he had just received the article a few days ago, and might read it out at a future date. It is the article by Martin Kerr entitled "The Myth of Hitler's 'Jewish Grandfather'"; originally published in spring 1982. This was in a National Socialist journal (scroll nearly down to bottom of this page where it is mentioned), so some would question their motives. However, I would certainly not trust claims about Hitler that originated from a Jewish source. Piper says it is a "scholarly" article, and that the ideas that Hitler was part Jewish, secretly worked for the Zionists, burnt down the Reichstag, and introduced gun control, are all myths. To some extent, our assessment of the "quality" of someone else's work will depend on whether we agree with their conclusions.

Good. Wouldn't TFC gain credibility if they were to publish a statement apologising to Rivero, Mariani, Rodriguez, Zundel, Rimland, Glenn, etc, for any false accusations, but they were just trying to point out that there is a very small likelihood that just about anyone could be an agent?

Yes, I agree with that, though they have not accused Rodriguez and Mariani.

They name William Rodriguez here, implying that he is one of the Zionists' "useful idiots", an unwitting Crypto-Zionist agent. And here, Bollyn accuses Rodriguez of helping to cover up Israel's role. And Smith / Hufschmid's suggestion is that: "It is possible that James Randi or his associates contacted William Rodriguez and convinced Rodriguez to remain quiet about the Israeli connection to 9/11."

On this page, TFC suggest that Ellen Mariani is at best a "fool", at worst a "Zionist agent": "Is Ellen Mariani a Zionist agent? What about Sofia? Perhaps time will
tell."

Which sources?

I would suggest truth seekers go to as many sources as they can. Use Google. Anyone recommending a one stop source for information has to be seen as suspect, blatantly attempting to manipulate and control the flow of information.

You won't find such top-quality interviews anywhere else.

Most of the interviews are tainted with Smith's attempts to induce guests into making negative comments about people whom they have limited knowledge of. I'd say the interviews are deliberately misleading and low-quality.

Audio interviews are always more powerful than long written articles that the newcomer won't bother reading.

So Smith's operation is designed to target the newcomer? It wouldn't surprise me if his followers were mainly newcomers. It is unlikely that seasoned investigators would be taken in by his deceptions.

Here's what you said on 2007-03-04:

The author of the bluwiki "debunking" of DBS is an infamous Zionist propagandist and "Holocaust" promoter, so of course he will call Smith a liar. Although I believe some of Hufschmid and Bollyn's actions have been very suspicious and they were caught lying, e.g. about AFP "censoring" Bollyn's articles, there remains a considerable volume of good anti-Zionist information on the DBS site and it should not be written off. (Daryl just does the talking; Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn write the articles.) None of us can be 100% right, but if people follow Bollyn's work, they will at least be looking in the right direction.

Yet in this thread you continuosly slam TFC and Bollyn as if they have not produced anything of value. What made you change your mind between March 4 and this thread, from Bollyn's work being great to being worthless?

I'd had my suspicions over Bollyn and TFC since last summer. Although I had voiced these suspicions on here, my main concern was what was best for the movement. I did not consider it worthwhile to start arguments about who is an "agent", and had concluded it would be better to let people promote TFC rather than piping up and saying I don't trust them.

Then Suzette (the Whippette) asked about my hufschmid.htm file at the nolajbs forum on 30 March give or take a day, and Fester submitted this blog entry on April 6. In the interests of harmony, I still kept quiet until April 9, the day after iamthewitness linked to my site and said it was "Crypto-Zionist". If I was an agent provocateur, surely I would have been posting numerous blog entries about TFC and Bollyn, and trying to stir up as much trouble as possible. Fester did it!

Then I started reviewing Smith's shows and the claims of TFC, and I found it was even worse than I had imagined. Smith's manipulations on the guests such as Mullins, and his constant slander of numerous decent, plucky anti-Zionists were well apparent, and I found that TFC named even more people as "Zionist agents" or "useful fools" than I had been aware of.

I had another look at Andrew E Mathis' debunking of Daryl Smith and Ben Freedman, and concluded that I share his views about Smith and Hufschmid, even though I would strongly disagree with his version of WWII. It should be worth checking out some of his points to see how many are valid. Although Mathis is a "holocaust" promoter, he has said that he has been critical of Israel and organized Jewry (but I haven't seen that), because it doesn't represent him. That would depend on whether he works for them. If he is not being paid as a holohoaxer, it would appear to be some kind of brainwashing or mind control.

There's no way he [Jim Hoffman] doesn't know that Israel and Zionists are involved in 9/11. Jim Hoffman is an agent trying to get to a leadership position of the 9/11 research community. He's a new Jim Fetzer, and a more effective one. You wouldn't've said that Fetzer was a disinfo agent before he started supporting the obvious disinfo of Wood/Reynolds, would you? He was there to destroy the image of 9/11 researchers and discredit Professor Jones. Now Hoffman has taken Fetzer's place in a more sophisticated operation intended to deflect any and all blame away from Zionists and Israel.

We shall have to see if any evidence comes out against Hoffman. There is enough valuable information in his work that it is not worthwhile at this stage to name him as an agent and declare all his work to be useless. But that is what you would expect TFC to say if they are agents trying to control the flow of information, as I believe. And is there any other source quite like TFC, that claims it is the one true source of truth and all others are suspect?

Rather than "Smith's manipulations", I think it's Hufschmid's paranoia. They accuse too many people with minimal evidence and expect their guests to agree with them. As a result of this, almost all their guests have gotten annoyed.

I'd say it's "seeing through Smith's deceptions and manipulations" rather than being "annoyed". But if Eric's paranoia is leading to these problems, why doesn't Smith fire him and get another webmaster? Maybe the audio sessions would then contain a better ratio of information to gossip.

We are starting to argue in circles now. To recapitulate, if we are to accept Poseidon's thesis that the TFC trio are "3 key Zionist agents", we have to believe an array of absurdities, some of which are:

1) that the Zionists would never have predicted that a 9/11 truth movement would arise in case something went seriously wrong with the operation, or as a consequence of general skepticism, or of their numerous mess ups (obvious WTC7 demolition captured on video in daylight, etc, etc);

This is a non sequitur. It would follow if I had proposed that the Zionists had no disinfo agents at all. But they have hundreds to thousands of paid or volunteer short-term agents, along with the small team of sophisticated agents.

2) that the Zionists are willing to completely expose themselves full force in an extremely complex and sophisticated operation, yet they only have a few other agents at their disposal whose disinfo operations are pathetic at best;

This doesn't follow, as I have not argued this either. However, TFC's position is even worse than that: The Zionists had control of AFP, yet they were willing to let themselves be totally exposed by Chris Bollyn for 5 years in order to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was.

3) that this TFC disinfo operation's task is to divide and create fights within a fake movement that blames the wrong villains, using extremely advanced tactics like pointing out the very fact itself that the movement is fake and that most people in this fake movement are liars;

This does not represent my position. The unsophisticated disinfo agents create red herrings, with those sponsored by Israel shifting blame to Bush and Cheney, and those sponsored by the Bush regime diverting attention to Israel. TFC's sophisticated agents are happy to expose some of the Israel-sponsored agents in order to present themselves as 'genuine' anti-Zionist truth seekers. TFC aims to sow mistrust and anxiety amongst those in the truth movement who have identified the real villains, and then offer salvation by claiming to be the sole source of truth. TFC is deliberately targeted at those who know that Israel was involved, not those who only see Bush and Cheney. (In any case, the latter group are not fakes, see below). Once the targets are hooked, TFC Judas goats can control the flow of information to their followers. Then, arguments between Smithsonians and Smith skeptics take up time which could be better employed fighting the Zionists. But corruption exists both inside and outside the movement, so exposing fake anti-Zionists is equivalent to the actions of a police force, and fighting the Zionists is equivalent to the actions of an army. Both are necessary.

4) that this fake movement is a product of chance, that Zionists had nothing or little to do with its creation or shaping;

Zionists had already managed to establish the taboos such as anti-Semitism, so they had quite a bit to do with establishing people like Alex Jones or Gerard Holmgren. But those who expose Bush / Cheney crimes and those who expose Israel's crimes are both acting for good. Both the Bush regime and Israel are guilty. So someone who points out Bush's crimes is not necessarily a fake.

5) that the reason this fake movement exists is because most of its talking heads are afraid to expose the real criminals due to established laws and taboos, while the ones that do are systematically marginalized and ignored;

This is a more accurate description, but it is not absurd. And it's not a "fake" movement.

6) that the few talking heads who do expose Zionist involvement, but in a watered-down fashion, are also afraid, but less than the others; and that they are so naive that they don't wonder why the others don't expose Zionist involvement at all;

Maybe they have also arrived at my conclusion: The existing taboos and institutions keep the others in check, and no conspiracy is required. If William of Ockham had been a Zionist-sponsored agent provocateur, he would have kept his mouth shut!

The thesis is as absurd as absurdity can get.

That, indeed, would be an accurate assessment of the position of TFC, which holds that 99% of truth seekers are "part of the criminal network", and Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf are two of a very long list of Crypto-Zionist agents, none of whom have ever defected and blown the whistle. Somehow, the Zionists have succeeded in blackmailing or bribing every last one of these agents for years on end, when the attempt to blackmail Clinton over Monica Lewinsky didn't work. And somehow, these agents have done such a good job posing as "anti-Zionists" that no one has ever been able to tell the difference, except for the highly talented folk at TFC.

Curt Maynard is working on another article on DBS. Smith has almost exceeded his shelf-life, and as soon as the Zionists decide he has outlived his usefulness, they will discard him like a sack of garbage. Smith's best bet is to make a run for it before it's too late. He wouldn't be welcome in Israel, after calling for it to be carpet bombed until the crater was so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom. Maybe Brazil would do?

Hey PlanetQuo, great to see you here on WUFYS!

Maybe this is what happened to 'debus':

"Operative #5497 (codename "debus"): Your cover has been blown. New userHandle: xxxxx."

(BTW, sorry for the double post - maybe qrswave can delete one of them?)

UAZ, thanks for the critique. It seems obvious to me that good ol' Poseidon was too bright for so many inconsistencies and dodgy conclusions.

His investment of major time in a smear campaign against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid is pure shyter disinfo as he accuses his enemies of that which he is guilty of: "dividing the truth movement" and being disinfo.

You can resolve the contradiction, but it means throwing out one of the claims. Up until now, the Smithsonians had not admitted which of their premises was a lie. Now they choose to keep "Bollyn was a star reporter and Zionist exposer", which means they must jettison the claim about AFP being "under Zionist control". Or maybe the Zionists took over in 2006, which means that they carried out a multi-trillion-dollar crime of the century, but waited five years to play catch up after the horse had bolted.

Or why not the simplest explanation? That AFP employed Bollyn to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist publication.

False. Chris Petherick's email to Chris Bollyn ended thus:

When we get a story from one of our trusted reporters, we do not need to check every quote or fact. Our reporters would not dream of submitting a false story. The same cannot be said for you, however. By accusing AFP of being under the control of some other agency, you lie. There is an ancient Roman legal maxim: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, meaning that if a witness lies about one thing, his testimony may be disregarded for all he says. Thus, we can no longer print anything you submit without checking it, and this we will not do. For the reasons above, please do not bother to submit anything else to this newspaper. In addition, we will no longer be able to pay your salary. This is effective immediately.

And refer to the audio of the "Piper hit piece on Bollyn", which came from his March 8, 2007 Piper Report. At 19:30 minutes, Piper recalls how, years ago, Bollyn submitted a rewrite of a satirical article in The Onion to AFP as a legitimate new story. Chris Petherick noticed it in time to stop it going into print.

Petherick is referring to the Sam Danner hoax. Bollyn used the necessary journalistic caveats, as he explains in this interview. It wasn't Bollyn's fault that Danner's story was unreliable.

I don't know about the The Onion thing. We only have Piper's word on this. Bollyn should answer to that, but there's no reason to take Piper's word for granted.

Smith did "attack" Richard Andrew Grove and Meria Heller back when Grove "blew the whistle".

D'you know which of Smith's shows that was on?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_7June2006.html

So those you mention are the only ones you think are agents? Do you realize that you're only identifying the ones whose disinfo is obvious? Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, like, say, the textbook Zionist denier, Alex Jones?

Or, like Daryl Bradford Smith, Eric Hufschmid, and Chris Bollyn.

You're evading the issue. Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, other than TFC? You only identify the obvious agents, and pretend there are no sophisticated disinfo operations other than TFC.

You overestimate the Zionists. They're only human, albeit without even a glimmer of a conscience. They couldn't even stop Flight 93 from being shot down. They couldn't stop the molten iron from pouring out of WTC2. They couldn't get enough patsies to kill to match the "number of hijackers", and had to resort to just having stolen passports for half of them. It took them about 3 years before they could get the BTS database to show the AA flights as "scheduled". They couldn't get Arabic names on the autopsy or the flight manifest. They couldn't fake decent forgeries for the "Osama confession", the airports and the Pentagon attack. They couldn't cover up reports of molten steel. They couldn't stop Bush saying he saw the "first plane" or about the "explosives" in the Towers, or Rumsfeld talking about "the missile" hitting the Pentagon, or Silverstein talking about "pull(ing) it".

Better to overestimate them than to underestimate them like you are doing here. Yes, there are many things that turned out wrong in the 9/11 operation, most notably Flight 93. However, the number of things that went wrong is presumably low compared to the number of things that went right.

The thermite reaction seen in WTC2 was obviously completely out of their control. The reports of molten iron were pretty much inevitable.

Do you really think Rumsfeld and especially Silverstein would "slip" in such an explicit manner? Those quotes are well-planned, deliberate deceptions. Bush's "first plane" could be explained as him simply being an idiot, but not the other two.

I think some of the errors regarding the patsies is also deliberate deception. How could they have let half of the patsies alive after 9/11? It makes no sense.

One of Smith's deceptions involves suggesting that Dubya is a complete moron. He may not be the mastermind, but he is more cunning than Smith makes out.

He's not nearly as smart as that article you linked to tries to show. That article could be written by Karl Rove himself. That website also says Bush "fail(ed) to act on 9/11 warnings - and then l(ied) about it".

Where did they say that Mullins, Rodriguez, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Jones, and Ryan are agents? They didn't.

See my comment above, "Smith's duplicity", where I provided links for almost all the names. Smith names the Iranians in his December 16 broadcast (13:00 minutes): "Why would the Iranians select David Duke as a participant in such a conference, unless they themselves are part of a lie?" As for Mullins, after he exposed Smith's manipulations on December 16, Smith has to say that Mullins has been got at and is working for the other side (AFP).

They didn't really accuse any of those of being agents, though they may have suggested the possibility. I agree with Smith's comments on the Iranians. Who in his right mind would invite David Duke to such a conference? It was obvious from the start that the world media would exploit his KKK past to smear the entire conference. Someone there wasn't thinking straight, or there's something more sinister going on beyond mere incompetence.

Have you seen Robert Stockmann's theory here:

http://crashrecovery.org/freedman/#note

What happened? Daryl Bradford Smith was doing some very good work with the French Connection at GCNLive, until he came up with some audio material which was red-flagged by the ADL. Daryl Bradford Smith suddenly had access to a genuine mp3 audio file by Benjamin Freedman, which before had been impossible to find on the Internet. (I have searched for this audio file to, but wasn't able to locate that on the internet for a long time) So suddenly, overnight, Daryl Bradford Smith gets promoted to THE guy who can give people access to the REAL deal and knowledge of Zionist history.

Another theory is that Smith is a pedophile and was given the ultimatum: Work for us and you'll be protected. Otherwise, you'll go to jail as a pedophile.

Where does that theory come from? Wasn't it ConspiracyCentral that created this rumor that Smith was a pedophile? Are you taking those idiots at ConCen seriously?

I don't know how the Freedman speech came into his hands, but he had good connections from early on, hence his numerous high-profile guests. IIRC, he said he got a lot of these contacts from his friend Michel Chussodovsky of GlobalResearch.ca.

That person you quoted, Robert M. Stockmann, promotes Phelps' Jesuits/Vatican nonsense and calls Flocco, Phelps, Szymanski, and the rest of Jesuit shills genuine truth seekers. That would mean that we should take anything this person says with a huge grain of salt.

I don't accept that TFC expose any more than Piper. Piper recently announced he had an article debunking the myths that Hitler was "part-Jewish" and secretly "working for the Zionists". Those myths are the sort of deliberate disinfo that TFC promotes.

The evidence regarding Maria Anna Schickelgruber and Solomon Mayer Rothschild in Vienna is weak, but it's all we have of Hitler's unknown paternal grandfather. It's not "deliberate disinfo". I would like to read this article from Piper that you cite. Is it only in the print edition of AFP?

Good. Wouldn't TFC gain credibility if they were to publish a statement apologising to Rivero, Mariani, Rodriguez, Zundel, Rimland, Glenn, etc, for any false accusations, but they were just trying to point out that there is a very small likelihood that just about anyone could be an agent?

Yes, I agree with that, though they have not accused Rodriguez and Mariani.

They probably have exposed some crimes, but see above re hearsay. I don't believe their information is reliable, it comes with too many strings attached, and its value has been hyped up. Most sources are better and more reliable.

Which sources? You won't find such top-quality interviews anywhere else. Audio interviews are always more powerful than long written articles that the newcomer won't bother reading. You won't find Bollyn's superb investigative reporting anywhere else either.

Here's what you said on 2007-03-04:

The author of the bluwiki "debunking" of DBS is an infamous Zionist propagandist and "Holocaust" promoter, so of course he will call Smith a liar. Although I believe some of Hufschmid and Bollyn's actions have been very suspicious and they were caught lying, e.g. about AFP "censoring" Bollyn's articles, there remains a considerable volume of good anti-Zionist information on the DBS site and it should not be written off. (Daryl just does the talking; Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn write the articles.) None of us can be 100% right, but if people follow Bollyn's work, they will at least be looking in the right direction.

Yet in this thread you continuosly slam TFC and Bollyn as if they have not produced anything of value. What made you change your mind between March 4 and this thread, from Bollyn's work being great to being worthless?

The 9/11 material is useful to Zionist exposers. Any condemnation of "anti-Semites" could just mean that he [Jim Hoffman] hasn't looked into that part of the mass media brainwashing.

There's no way he doesn't know that Israel and Zionists are involved in 9/11. Jim Hoffman is an agent trying to get to a leadership position of the 9/11 research community. He's a new Jim Fetzer, and a more effective one. You wouldn't've said that Fetzer was a disinfo agent before he started supporting the obvious disinfo of Wood/Reynolds, would you? He was there to destroy the image of 9/11 researchers and discredit Professor Jones. Now Hoffman has taken Fetzer's place in a more sophisticated operation intended to deflect any and all blame away from Zionists and Israel.

TFC having trouble getting guests is not because of a shortage of funds, but because guests eventually cotton on to Smith's manipulations (e.g. Mullins), and TFC is running out of people.

Rather than "Smith's manipulations", I think it's Hufschmid's paranoia. They accuse too many people with minimal evidence and expect their guests to agree with them. As a result of this, almost all their guests have gotten annoyed.

We are starting to argue in circles now. To recapitulate, if we are to accept Poseidon's thesis that the TFC trio are "3 key Zionist agents", we have to believe an array of absurdities, some of which are:

1) that the Zionists would never have predicted that a 9/11 truth movement would arise in case something went seriously wrong with the operation, or as a consequence of general skepticism, or of their numerous mess ups (obvious WTC7 demolition captured on video in daylight, etc, etc);

2) that the Zionists are willing to completely expose themselves full force in an extremely complex and sophisticated operation, yet they only have a few other agents at their disposal whose disinfo operations are pathetic at best;

3) that this TFC disinfo operation's task is to divide and create fights within a fake movement that blames the wrong villains, using extremely advanced tactics like pointing out the very fact itself that the movement is fake and that most people in this fake movement are liars;

4) that this fake movement is a product of chance, that Zionists had nothing or little to do with its creation or shaping;

5) that the reason this fake movement exists is because most of its talking heads are afraid to expose the real criminals due to established laws and taboos, while the ones that do are systematically marginalized and ignored;

6) that the few talking heads who do expose Zionist involvement, but in a watered-down fashion, are also afraid, but less than the others; and that they are so naive that they don't wonder why the others don't expose Zionist involvement at all;

...

The thesis is as absurd as absurdity can get.

Quas, I guess you gotta be cruel to be kind in this business. You let us greenhorn wade into the Scylla and Charybdis straits of da Po-MASHER with only the most cryptic of warnings.

I thought old Poseidon was way up in da Pantheon in these parts. Nobody let on that he was just one of them dime a dozen (millions X millions X millions, of course) pound o' flesh type chihuahuas out there on the net trying to gum the public to death day after bloddy day. WTF?

I know Q and a few others have vouched for his "quality," but I find it hard to believe that who has watched this performance fails to notice the combination of tenacity and avoidance of the facts. I had suspicions after the first response, but goodness, he's absolutely naked. His whole game is REPETITION & OBFUSCATION. Shit, that's the manure I was raised on. I know EXACTLY where that M.O emmanates from.

More my tale of a troll that a trolled tale but I ain't gonna quibble. Now about that CD....

When will this lousy movie ever end ?

OH, NO ! NOT ANOTHER SEQUEL !

I said - "Now you must be that mermaid...
who took Ol' Neptune for a ride !"
"and she smiled at me so sadly... SADLY
you know my joyprong straightway died !"

...And so it was...that later and later and later...
As Uncle Fester trolled his tale,
...that her face, at first just ghostly -
turned a whiter...shade of pale.

Po, why respond to UAZ's able and accurate criticisms of your "logic" by titling it Festerian. Once again you are found completely lacking so you tack on a few of my ill-tempered remarks and try to smear all criticimss of your faulty reasoning and deceptions as "foul-mouthed" and insubstantial.

You tried this a while back, didn't you. That's ok, I understand, it's real hard being under the microscope and having sharp-witted people focus on your dubious claims.

I hope you close up shop. Others are chiming in and I think your reputation is going to suffer. Suit yourself.

PS - if you need more "facts," let me know and I'll cuss for ya. You can go right ahead and use them against. I won't complain; I'm here to help.

UAV says:

The "contradiction" you speak of is non-existent. TFC say AFP never published much good material other than Bollyn's work. Even AFP acknowledged that Bollyn was their "star reporter".

You can resolve the contradiction, but it means throwing out one of the claims. Up until now, the Smithsonians had not admitted which of their premises was a lie. Now they choose to keep "Bollyn was a star reporter and Zionist exposer", which means they must jettison the claim about AFP being "under Zionist control". Or maybe the Zionists took over in 2006, which means that they carried out a multi-trillion-dollar crime of the century, but waited five years to play catch up after the horse had bolted.

Also, according to AFP, Bollyn wasn't fired because his "stories were unreliable" as you say,

False. Chris Petherick's email to Chris Bollyn ended thus:

When we get a story from one of our trusted reporters, we do not need to check every quote or fact. Our reporters would not dream of submitting a false story. The same cannot be said for you, however. By accusing AFP of being under the control of some other agency, you lie. There is an ancient Roman legal maxim: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, meaning that if a witness lies about one thing, his testimony may be disregarded for all he says. Thus, we can no longer print anything you submit without checking it, and this we will not do. For the reasons above, please do not bother to submit anything else to this newspaper. In addition, we will no longer be able to pay your salary. This is effective immediately.

And refer to the audio of the "Piper hit piece on Bollyn", which came from his March 8, 2007 Piper Report. At 19:30 minutes, Piper recalls how, years ago, Bollyn submitted a rewrite of a satirical article in The Onion to AFP as a legitimate new story. Chris Petherick noticed it in time to stop it going into print.

but because he failed to "defend the integrity of AFP" from Hufschmid's accusations on Piper's show.

This was another reason given in Petherick's email. Since 2000 when he first joined Liberty Lobby, Bollyn was paid about $266,000 plus nearly $60,000 in expenses, according to Piper.

You say it is absurd that AFP would allow Bollyn to expose so much. I say it is much more absurd that Zionist agents would expose the crime of the century, and all other crimes comitted by the same group of crooks they are working for, ten times more thoroughly, and in much less time, than AFP.

But what if the "exposing" is public domain information, mixed with disinformation, presented and targeted at "conspiracy buffs" such that they will lap it up?

Smith did "attack" Richard Andrew Grove and Meria Heller back when Grove "blew the whistle".

D'you know which of Smith's shows that was on?

So those you mention are the only ones you think are agents? Do you realize that you're only identifying the ones whose disinfo is obvious? Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, like, say, the textbook Zionist denier, Alex Jones?

Or, like Daryl Bradford Smith, Eric Hufschmid, and Chris Bollyn.

You have all those obvious fakes that you listed (many of whom originally seemed honest), yet the only sophisticated fakes are Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn? That makes no sense. There are different types of agents; not all are as obvious as Tom Flocco or Morgan Reynolds.

You overestimate the Zionists. They're only human, albeit without even a glimmer of a conscience. They couldn't even stop Flight 93 from being shot down. They couldn't stop the molten iron from pouring out of WTC2. They couldn't get enough patsies to kill to match the "number of hijackers", and had to resort to just having stolen passports for half of them. It took them about 3 years before they could get the BTS database to show the AA flights as "scheduled". They couldn't get Arabic names on the autopsy or the flight manifest. They couldn't fake decent forgeries for the "Osama confession", the airports and the Pentagon attack. They couldn't cover up reports of molten steel. They couldn't stop Bush saying he saw the "first plane" or about the "explosives" in the Towers, or Rumsfeld talking about "the missile" hitting the Pentagon, or Silverstein talking about "pull(ing) it".

And you didn't respond to the question of what would be the point of creating in-fighting when the movement blames Bush & Cheney. Impeaching those puppets would do nothing.

It would be a good start. One of Smith's deceptions involves suggesting that Dubya is a complete moron. He may not be the mastermind, but he is more cunning than Smith makes out.

Where did they say that Mullins, Rodriguez, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Jones, and Ryan are agents? They didn't.

See my comment above, "Smith's duplicity", where I provided links for almost all the names. Smith names the Iranians in his December 16 broadcast (13:00 minutes): "Why would the Iranians select David Duke as a participant in such a conference, unless they themselves are part of a lie?" As for Mullins, after he exposed Smith's manipulations on December 16, Smith has to say that Mullins has been got at and is working for the other side (AFP).

However, I also have to say that it would make sense for them to try to compromise Hufschmid, Smith, and especially Bollyn.

Have you seen Robert Stockmann's theory here:

http://crashrecovery.org/freedman/#note

What happened? Daryl Bradford Smith was doing some very good work with the French Connection at GCNLive, until he came up with some audio material which was red-flagged by the ADL. Daryl Bradford Smith suddenly had access to a genuine mp3 audio file by Benjamin Freedman, which before had been impossible to find on the Internet. (I have searched for this audio file to, but wasn't able to locate that on the internet for a long time) So suddenly, overnight, Daryl Bradford Smith gets promoted to THE guy who can give people access to the REAL deal and knowledge of Zionist history.

Another theory is that Smith is a pedophile and was given the ultimatum: Work for us and you'll be protected. Otherwise, you'll go to jail as a pedophile.

Have you read Alexander Baron's accusations against David Irving? If those accusations are true, it means Irving is a Zionist puppet, as I suspect he is. He was probably given the choice to go to jail as a pedophile or as a "Holocaust denier". How do you explain him saying "millions of Jews died, there's no question about it"?

I suggest he was threatened that if he didn't cooperate he could get 10 years for "Holocaust denial". If he did as they said, it would be one or two years at most.

You evaded the question again. Piper doesn't expose Zionism as thoroughly as TFC and their guests; ergo, he holds back.

I don't accept that TFC expose any more than Piper. Piper recently announced he had an article debunking the myths that Hitler was "part-Jewish" and secretly "working for the Zionists". Those myths are the sort of deliberate disinfo that TFC promotes. But the problem with TFC is that it's not primarily a source of information. It's tarnished and loaded with gossip, hearsay, rumors and innuendoes.

So why does he hold back? According to you, because he's afraid of lawsuits. But why is he afraid when the guests on TFC are not afraid?

Do you have any examples?

I acknowledge that most of those are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", and I acknowledge that many of those they have accused are most likely not agents.

Good. Wouldn't TFC gain credibility if they were to publish a statement apologising to Rivero, Mariani, Rodriguez, Zundel, Rimland, Glenn, etc, for any false accusations, but they were just trying to point out that there is a very small likelihood that just about anyone could be an agent?

Now why don't you acknowledge their outstanding work in exposing Zionism?

They probably have exposed some crimes, but see above re hearsay. I don't believe their information is reliable, it comes with too many strings attached, and its value has been hyped up. Most sources are better and more reliable.

Since when does Jim Hoffman expose Zionism? He has done a great job on the how's of 9/11, but he will never state the who's or the why's. He even condemns "anti-Semites" and "Holocaust deniers".

The 9/11 material is useful to Zionist exposers. Any condemnation of "anti-Semites" could just mean that he hasn't looked into that part of the mass media brainwashing.

TFC having trouble getting guests is not because of a shortage of funds, but because guests eventually cotton on to Smith's manipulations (e.g. Mullins), and TFC is running out of people.

Fester suggests that AFP got rid of Bollyn because he was too well-known. But Bollyn was a relative unknown compared to Piper, a well-known author. Only 9/11 "conspiracy buffs" would have been aware of Bollyn. I would have thought having a famous person in the team would be an asset, not a liability.

We should let Fester have the last word:

Fester's inconsistency principle:
"Why don’t you come out and tell us that Eustace Mullins is full of shit.
Poseidon's claim that Mullins is a dupe is fuckin GARBAGE.
I don't have time to monitor multiple net radio shows and had no idea that Mullins was a bare assed liar.
However, I won't accept any of his testimony as evidence against DBS. His "Smith tried to get me to move to France" statement and the rest can go in the shitter with him.
Mullin's has ZERO credibility."

Festerian 'fact-based' deductions:
"This other stuff is really just CAT PISS...
You seem to fixate on a whole lot of chickenshit and just keep chucking it hoping it'll stick or wear people out.
Just a WHOLE lot of hot air and bullshit which always indicates a dung heap.
That one was HORSESHIT as will be confirmed by an indpendent listen to the file.
Not the load of pissant bleatings that have so far surfaced.
Whence that fetid fecal fragrance of Ziopunditry as he sums up and ladles for the helpless goyim?"

The "contradiction" you speak of is non-existent. TFC say AFP never published much good material other than Bollyn's work. Even AFP acknowledged that Bollyn was their "star reporter". What does AFP expose now without Bollyn? There's little of value, from what I've seen. Immigration issues, civil rights, Iraq... but little 9/11 and Zionist criminal network. Also, according to AFP, Bollyn wasn't fired because his "stories were unreliable" as you say, but because he failed to "defend the integrity of AFP" from Hufschmid's accusations on Piper's show.

You say it is absurd that AFP would allow Bollyn to expose so much. I say it is much more absurd that Zionist agents would expose the crime of the century, and all other crimes comitted by the same group of crooks they are working for, ten times more thoroughly, and in much less time, than AFP.

I'm not saying they don't want to take control. But they have been doing it the easy way, like GIYUS prompting Jews to defend Israel, and installing disinformation agents such as Tom Flocco, Mike Ruppert, Richard Grove, Greg Szymanski, Meria Heller, Morgan Reynolds, etc. Note how Smith's gang never attacks Richard Grove, who is a proven liar.

Smith did "attack" Richard Andrew Grove and Meria Heller back when Grove "blew the whistle". So those you mention are the only ones you think are agents? Do you realize that you're only identifying the ones whose disinfo is obvious? Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, like, say, the textbook Zionist denier, Alex Jones? You have all those obvious fakes that you listed (many of whom originally seemed honest), yet the only sophisticated fakes are Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn? That makes no sense. There are different types of agents; not all are as obvious as Tom Flocco or Morgan Reynolds.

If you want to believe the TFC trio are Zionist agents, that's fine, but when you say they are the only ones running a sophisticated operation when there are Zionist deniers around every corner, you don't sound very convincing. And you didn't respond to the question of what would be the point of creating in-fighting when the movement blames Bush & Cheney. Impeaching those puppets would do nothing.

It's not just lawsuits, they also fear losing their jobs and being tarnished as an "anti-Semite" or a "conspiracy theorist".

Those terms ("conspiracy theorist" and "anti-Semite") can be used to smear anyone regardless of whether or not they expose Zionism or 9/11. See Jimmy Carter, for example. If a talking head of the alternative media fears being called an "anti-Semite" or a "conspiracy theorist", then what the hell is he doing in the alternative media to begin with?

Hufschmid and Smith's list of "Crypto-Zionists" includes Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Mike Berger, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Eustace Mullins, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero,, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ellen Mariani, Curt Maynard, Sam Danner, Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and countless others. Hufschmid asserts that there are "thousands of Crypto-Zionist web sites" and there may be "hundreds of thousands - possibly millions -" of members in the Zionist movement, and 99% of the truth seekers are "somehow connected to the criminal network" and are "useless".

Where did they say that Mullins, Rodriguez, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Jones, and Ryan are agents? They didn't. Personally, of those you listed, I believe the following are disinfo agents: Mike Berger (and everyone else at 911truth.org), Gerard Holmgren (and anyone else promoting holograms), Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Jim Hoffman, Dylan Avery. On my list of suspects would be: Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Chris Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Frank Whalen, Sam Danner. I believe the others you listed are honest.

The are many ways to compromise people. All those folks have families. Would it really be that difficult to make them not talk about Israeli involvement in 9/11, for example? Do you really think the Zionists are going to sit back while Professor Jones exposes their Achilles' heel? The jailed "Holocaust deniers", William Rodriguez, Prof. Jones and others (those who have priviledged information or a powerful message that no one else has) are highly dangerous to the Zionists, so it makes sense that they would try to compromise them. However, I also have to say that it would make sense for them to try to compromise Hufschmid, Smith, and especially Bollyn.

Have you read Alexander Baron's accusations against David Irving? If those accusations are true, it means Irving is a Zionist puppet, as I suspect he is. He was probably given the choice to go to jail as a pedophile or as a "Holocaust denier". How do you explain him saying "millions of Jews died, there's no question about it"?

It is the Smithsonians who have suggested that others hold back, and I gave an explanation which doesn't involve positing the existence of thousands of ADL handlers and thousands of individual cases of defecting to the ADL, maintaining an anti-Zionist persona, bribing or blackmailing, and preventing every single one of these agents from talking.

You evaded the question again. Piper doesn't expose Zionism as thoroughly as TFC and their guests; ergo, he holds back. So why does he hold back? According to you, because he's afraid of lawsuits. But why is he afraid when the guests on TFC are not afraid?

The fact that Smith and his gang are divisive liars who do more harm than good should make us conclude that the Smithsonians have made an error in failing to recognize their leaders for the covert agents they are. This, and the fact that they don't acknowledge that characters such as Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Rodriguez, Mariani, Glenn, Duke, Zundel, Maynard, Hoffman, Steven Jones, etc are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", really puts their intentions into question.

I acknowledge that most of those are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", and I acknowledge that many of those they have accused are most likely not agents. Now why don't you acknowledge their outstanding work in exposing Zionism?

Consider how much Zionist exposing is achieved by Mike Rivero's WRH, or Jim Hoffman's 9/11 site, or Mike Piper's books such as The Judas Goats, The New Jerusalem, The High Priests of War, and Final Judgement. Consider how many people they have labelled as "Crypto-Zionist agents". Then carry out the same exercise for DBS/EH/CB with their "99% of truth-seekers are criminal agents" theory. DBS is very hot on Ben Freedman, but Piper says he was not always trustworthy and played both sides of the field.

Since when does Jim Hoffman expose Zionism? He has done a great job on the how's of 9/11, but he will never state the who's or the why's. He even condemns "anti-Semites" and "Holocaust deniers". He says AFP, and Bollyn by extension, has "neo-Nazi ties", and are therefore untrustworthy.

Benjamin Freedman is still a great way of introducing people to Zionist involvement in the world wars, regardless of what his intentions were. I see little reason to doubt him anyway. All we have is Eustace Mullins' (who knew him personally) doubts about him, and Rick Cooper's accusations in the 'Son of Deguello' document. Hufschmid did, unsurprisingly, did suggest Freedman had no real interest in exposing Zionism.

There's really nothing wrong about believing that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Things are rarely as they seem, and the Pentagon crash is a very confusing issue. The root of the problem is that there's a void of evidence; and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For example, you would expect to find the 64 bodies from Flight 77 in the wreckage, but you don't see any of the 125 Pentagon victims either. So I don't think the people who believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon are lying regarding that issue. (Why would they lie about that anyway? What would be the point?) I don't like Rivero's way of pretending there are no questions as to what hit the Pentagon, though.

Wraither & Justice, I was unaware that some here considered Poseidon and MASHER to be obvious shills. Quasimodo hinted a "ponerology" of some sort, but that was a little too deep for Uncle Fester.

I never cared much for MASHER's contributions as they reeked with innuendo and were noticeably lacking in beef. Poseidon was a different story. I very much liked his 911 postings and was distributing one as a handout.

IF one of the WUFYS heavyweights had stepped in early and said that Po-MASHER were know provacateurs, I might have desisted and taken care of other business. Still, I think the stomach pumpings produced some gorgeous and memorable items.

At this point, I believe that the basket of RED HERRINGS is now bare. I will patronize the Fishwife & Son no more.

I cannot trust anyone who attack Rivero, Glenn and Piper, because these men have done so much to awaken people about Zionism - so I think Poseidon and Masher must have a valid argument, and they cannot possibly be Zionist shills.

Let's move on to better things and let this argument fester for awhile.

Abe & Leftie, thanks for weighing in. It is clear that the fishwife is here to smear Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmidt. He's a real johnny-on-the-spot and ready to wear people out at any hour. A real pro and I am again glad to have gotten his barking and mud flinging on the record.
He's sounding a tad hysterical. This could go higher and deeper still.

Po, did it ever occur to you that AFP ditched Bollyn because he was becoming too well known? The obvious reason is that they no longer wanted to give him their platform (and Bollyn addresses what a small and underdeveloped platform it was). First, you drive him out/fire him. Next, you lie about the reasons and smear him. Then you unleash the barking fishwife types to ridicule/praise his work but mostly to smear him. Just gotta keep the yammering up long enough until reasonable people drop the topic and flee.

You're too bright not to have thought of this; it's just that your opinion of us is low enough that you believe we'll swallow your garbage. And that's a revealing characteristic.

On a practical note, Jim Condit has a precinct level strategy for reclaiming control of local government - the first step in reclaiming control at higher levels.

www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Jim-Condit-24Aug2006.html

Leftfield's theory depends on how much DBS and his associates have really done to expose Zionist crimes, and how much of it is disinformation and merely a rehashing of others' work.

Consider how much Zionist exposing is achieved by Mike Rivero's WRH, or Jim Hoffman's 9/11 site, or Mike Piper's books such as The Judas Goats, The New Jerusalem, The High Priests of War, and Final Judgement. Consider how many people they have labelled as "Crypto-Zionist agents". Then carry out the same exercise for DBS/EH/CB with their "99% of truth-seekers are criminal agents" theory. DBS is very hot on Ben Freedman, but Piper says he was not always trustworthy and played both sides of the field.

Rivero, Hoffman and Piper are all Crypto-Zionists according to Smith's team. I would say that Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn are more likely shills because they slam 99% of truth-seekers as criminal agents.

I cannot prove that honest abe - Abraham? - is one of Smith's shills. But if he is not, only someone with poor comprehension skills could have followed the thread and failed to recognise the absurdity of a position which simultaneously holds that AFP was Zionist-controlled AND allowed Chris Bollyn to establish himself as the finest Zionist exposer bar none.

Smith's team cannot offer any evidence or logical argument in defense of their position, and so they must rely on assertions that the evidence against Smith is "specious", in the knowledge that some readers will not have time to review the thread in order to check out that claim.

The Smithsonians have painted themselves into a corner. As soon as American Free Press (and many others) fingered Christopher Bollyn as a covert intel operative posing as a "journalist", the Judas goats were left with no option but to assert that AFP was "under Zionist control". To make this theory work, they must propose that Chris Petherick, Willis Carto, Mike Piper, Vince Ryan, James Tucker - and possibly Mark Lane, see later - conveniently happened to be either homosexuals, pedophiles or suffering from "emotional problems", so that ADL handlers could successfully blackmail them. Hence, this could explain why Bollyn was fired, and Piper supposedly "lied" about him when he said Bollyn was receiving money from overseas, being visited by folk with untraceable license plates, enjoying a tax-free status, and had tried to submit a slightly rewritten satirical story from The Onion to AFP as "his own work".

Problem is, once you propose that AFP was Zionist-controlled, the Judas goats' claim about Bollyn being the all-time finest exposer of Zionism is blown clean out of the water. One solution for the Smithsonians would be to propose that AFP was under anti-Zionist control until the summer of 2006, and then the Zionists took over, somehow managing to start blackmailing Piper, Petherick, Carto, Ryan, Tucker, etc, all at the same time. Szymanski could have been sacked just before the Zionists took over, then Bollyn just after the change of ownership.

That doesn't explain why Szymanski wasn't given his job back as soon as the Zionists took over. Most importantly, it does not explain why the Zionists waited for a full five years after carrying out the crime of the century, allowing Bollyn to "expose" Israel's involvement in 9/11, and then playing catch-up in the summer of 2006 long after the horse had already bolted.

Then we have the Judas goats' claim that Eustace Mullins wasn't manipulated and entrapped by Smith on December 16 when he said that Mark Lane was running The Spotlight and Willis Carto was just a "frontman". For this claim to work, they must propose that Mullins was got at between December 16 and January 8, and compelled to present an alternative version on Piper's January 8 show, in which Mullins did in fact agree with Piper that Smith had perfected FBI-style entrapment techniques as one of his operations.

Then we have the fact that Mark Lane was certainly not a Zionist in 1985 when he successfully reversed a judgement that had gone against Liberty Lobby. So the Smithsonians must propose that Lane was anti-Zionist in 1985, then he became a Zionist (in order for Mullins' claim on Smith's December 16 show to be correct), then he defected to anti-Zionism so that Bollyn could spend 5 years exposing Zionism, and then Lane was forced to switch sides a third time after being blackmailed again along with Piper, Carto, Petherick, Ryan, Tucker, Mike Blair, etc, in the summer of 2006. Their 'evidence' of Lane being a Zionist consists of him being photographed with Jane Fonda. Don't you just love it when a Zionist's conspiracy theory needs so many ad hoc postulates to patch it up that if William of Ockham had been Jewish, he would have kept his mouth shut?

And all that's not even taking account of Eric
Hufschmid's theory that 99% of truth-seekers are somehow "part of the criminal network", including Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mark Glenn, Professor Steven E Jones, Jim Hoffman, Mike Rivero, David Duke, Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Curt Maynard, Mike Piper, Kevin Ryan, David Irving, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad et al. Why don't Smith and Bollyn condemn Hufschmid's "paranoia" and crackpot Apollo theories?

Posieden Wrote

"...DBS et al ..They were to create a schism in the movement and control the flow of information, by presenting themselves as the one true truth-telling source and attacking all their rivals as Crypto-Zionist agents"

The schism if created does not matter and is not damaging, if the crimes of the Zionists are being exposed DBS et al are doing that.

If people argue between themselves, create factions and fight with each other....that removes the focus from the Zionists....but I cannot believe that Zionist agents would expose Zionists crimes day and night whilst also creating schisms within the movement. This would be too dangerous for Zionists and could backfire. If DBS et al are self promoting and they become popular and their website becomes too popular (If they are Zionist agents as you allege)....many more people would know Zionists and their crimes....this would create too many problems for Zionists....THIS IS WHY IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THEY ARE ZIONIST AGENTS.

Scisms and factions amongst people are not bad, it helps to find the truth and to reject the false....when the process becomes refined a unified group emerges based on Truth which will destroy the false. Getting bogged down with in-fghting is what the enemy would want. Zionists exploit divisions and ferment in-fighting, but those who are focused cannot be swayed by the nonsense, they have their eye on exposing the criminals, the criminals are the Zionists and those who help them to cover up their crimes are their agents. Those who expose Zionists and their agents are on the Truth.

Having followed this entire thread regarding Christopher B., Daryl S., & Eric H., I decided to register so as to comment.

Poseidon, you obviously have an axe to grind against these guys. It would seem that had you offered any proof you would have been able to save a few thousand typed words. What you did offer with these thousands of words was a clear picture of yourself: A person needing to use specious arguments, ad hominem attacks, circular logic and bold print to shout out your position. In addition, your tireless rampage is a method I've seen used at other totally unrelated websites, effectively used to wear out opposition and, coincidentally, a method straight out of the Shyster playbook.

I visit many 9/11 related sites and am confident that I can filter the messages and their intent should they be tainted with agenda. You, Sir, have an agenda and I would further suggest it is that of a Shill.

Now, be a nice Mensch and try not to muddy the waters of this "Vitally Important" message that we are all trying to expose.

The Smithsonians cannot refute the evidence that their masters' peculiarly shrill attacks on dozens of genuine, hard-working anti-Zionists tell us who Smith and his gang are really working for, so they try to steer the discussion over to the matter of how many Crypto-Zionists agents there are. Consider how much ammunition Eric Hufschmid has handed to our enemies:

Hufschmid Sinks Deeper

And no, Eric: William of Ockam wasn't Jewish.

http://untrue_madhouse.blogspot.com/2006_12_17_archive.html

Andrew Mathis is a Holocaust promoter who even asserts that the "lampshade" tales are true, so I never thought I would find myself agreeing with much of what he has to say. But he is right on the mark about Eric and Daryl.

I have never said that the Zionists have only 3 agents. They must have thousands of Jewish volunteers working the internet, and hundreds of paid disinfo agents like Tom Flocco. The "key guys" - Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn - were charged with a more specialised task. They were to create a schism in the movement and control the flow of information, by presenting themselves as the one true truth-telling source and attacking all their rivals as Crypto-Zionist agents. Given that Smith is the sort of character that you either love or hate, his followers would diverge and then this faction would actively undermine the truth movement as do the other paid or volunteer agents.

It should be obvious that people like Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Mike Piper, Mike Rivero, David Duke, etc, who have been opposing Zionism for years, are not "Crypto-Zionists". Smith's method is to hurl unsupported accusations, causing some to question the motives of genuine anti-Zionists. Mike Rivero says that he thinks a 757 hit the Pentagon. Smith's theory is that Rivero says so because he is a pedophile, and an ADL handler has succeeded in blackmailing him, and has forced him to say so. Isn't it more likely that he says so because he really does think a 757 hit the Pentagon? That's what I meant by "economy" - economy of postulates, as Mathis correctly points out about Occam's Razor.

Hufschmid says that "99% of truth-seekers" are somehow "part of the criminal network", which would mean that you could take any individual at random and there would be a 0.99 probability of them being an "agent". I would say that most are not agents, and making accusations sans evidence is counterproductive. Unfortunately for Smith and his team, their activities demonstrate that they are covert intelligence agents posing as "anti-Zionists" but working to undermine the anti-Zionist movement.

When my enemy's 'enemy' is really my enemy posing as my enemy's 'enemy', it makes no sense to support them.

If people really want to judge for themselves and can spare the time, they should listen to both Smith and other sources like the Piper Report. Then evaluate which provides genuine unbiased anti-Zionist information, and which has been tailored to suit an agenda: the Zionist agenda of divide and conquer involving sowing mistrust and dissent within the movement. For those whose time is limited, I would suggest they go straight to the other sources and do not bother with Smith.

Sorry, forgot the title for the previous post.

People should listen to Smith for themselves and NOT rely on good old Poseidon. Our chief fishmonger clearly has a stake in keeping people away from www.iamthewitness.com. If you've followed the thread,you know he's repeatedly been asked for evidence and has produced nothing of substance. He relies entirely on false statements, mischaracterizations, and wild assed assertions. I hope to do a quick compilation of his rum numbers when I've got a moment.

Posiedon might have said the interviews with DeCamp and Griggs were important. Instead he's started in with the barking and sheepherding again.

Important question: Does anyone know off hand how many people Hoover had dirt on? What do you think Posiedon? Was it maybe just "three key guys"?

Important point: One of Poseidon's central arguments against Smtih, Bollyn, and Hufschmid is that the Zionists are scrambling to play catch up on the truth movement. Poseidon believes that they were idle after they'd pulled off 911. Later, in desperation they turned up "three key guys" to take down the truth movement. WHAT A BRILLIANT AND PLAUSIBLE THEORY! It really is too bad that old Po doesn't go on the road with it as he deserves wider recognition and great fame for this honest and deeply perceptive contribution.

Posiedon thinks we just got to get rid of the "three bad apples" then we'll have a barrelful of truth. What's after that...a happy reconciliation with the "honest elements" of the mainstream media?

Leftie, listen to Smith for yourself if you haven't. What does your gut tell you when you hear him? Compare him to critics like the Thorn/Giulianis. Is it more likely that the Learned Elders went to sleep and let a truth movement develop unmolested or that they've been pulling strings at places like AFP for some time. Are CNN and Clear Channel featuring truth tellers or shills?

Smith gives specific reasons for questioning people which you can evaluate for yourself. I still use Rivero daily, but I do not understand his insistence that a plane hit the Pentagon. Smith says he's bogus. I don't know, but Smith's other info is very powerful and therefore draws screaming shills like MASHER and Poseidon who have made a career of attacking him.

I do hope others here have followed Posiedon's "logic" and "evidence." It's a perpetual tail chase, and I know some have dropped out while others stayed out from the beginning. I have found it most educational and marveled at the absurdities, the astonishing LACK of proof, and the "mist-ifying" theories
he generates.

Those able to ignore his carnival barking, might enjoy this sample of what's on offer at Smith's site:
The roots of the Ashkenazi Zionism; the first installment of a two part series. www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRafiq.html. Peace. Fester.

I think Smith et al have to tone down their accusations, it is counter-productive. Using a shotgun blast where a fine tuned single bullet rifle is needed to do the job. They seem to blast their shotgun in all directions.

"What my net does not catch is not fish".

I get it now. According to Smith's theory, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, Jim Hoffman, Curt Maynard, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and the rest are pedophiles and the Zionists have managed to blackmail them all. It doesn't explain how the behavior of these people would change if they weren't "Zionist-controlled". Would Rudolf have managed an even more authoritative debunking of the "Holocaust" myth than he did here, or would Jim Hoffman have carried out even better research into 9/11 than he did here?

Smith and Hufschmid should have made a career as piano removal men. At least, that would have given us a few more laughs.

If people ignore your mantra and tide of transparently bogus claims against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmidt, they will discover for themselves that the "3 Key Guys" have reasons for what they charge.

People should listen and decide for themselves without having to wade through your sea of bullshit everytime the topic comes up. But that seems to be your function, so, please, continue to perform. Your claims and proofs are now on record and should embarrass you, but don't.

For interviews on the pedophilia issue, try:
John DeCamp explains how he discovered that the bizarre stories were true;
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_DeCamp.html

Kay Griggs has first-hand information about how the Zionists look for emotionally insecure people and promote them into political and military leadership. This gives the Zionists a tremendouis influence over our government. www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsKayGriggs.html

For some info on the crypto-jew issue try: www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRafiq2.html

There's an enormous amount of high quality interviews www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.htmlwhich the should be heard by the independent-minded at WUFYS. Peace

If someone puts Ernst Zundel, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Germar Rudolf, Mike Rivero, etc, on a list of "Zionist agents", accuses David Irving of being a "paedophile" and spends most of their time trying to smear others, then they have to be either idiots or agents. There is no other solution. And it does not look like Smith and his associates are idiots. They should not be surprised when people point this out.

Daryl Smith responds to our little thread:
www.iamthewitness.com/wakeupfromyourslumber.html

The Smithsonians have failed to provide a refutation of Smith's duplicity. Smith (and Hufschmid) assert that American Free Press is a Zionist-run operation, and they assert that Christopher Bollyn has exposed more about Zionist involvement in 9/11 than anyone else. Surely Smith and Hufschmid must have been aware that not more than one of these premises can be true, in which case they are proven liars. Waffle about Smith believing that all media is controlled doesn't cut it; the inconsistency remains with those two cornerstones of their thesis.

UAZ says:

Poseidon asks: "If AFP is really under Zionist control, isn't Szymanski just the sort of writer that they would be anxious to keep on board?"

The pertinent question here is why the hell did they not fire him the moment he started spewing his nonsense about the Vatican.

If someone starts out with good information and their stories become questionable, it is not inevitable that they will be fired immediately. But Szymanski was fired and Bollyn was fired, consistent with AFP finding out that their stories were unreliable. On the other hand, if AFP was Zionist-controlled, they would certainly not have allowed Bollyn to remain in place for a full five years doing a superb job of exposing Zionist involvement in 9/11, as purported by Smithsonians. I can accept that an incompetent journalist with a rather fervid imagination might cling on to his job for some time before being fired, but a Zionist-controlled publishing outlet allowing an anti-Zionist free rein to continue exposing the crime of the century for a full five years? It is absurd!

We know that the "crooks" as you call them have complete control of the mainstream media, somehow, despite how difficult it seems.

I agree. But considering they have owned the media for about a century, perhaps it is not as difficult as it appears.

We also know that the alternative media is gaining widespread attention while the mainstream media is starting to decline. Yet, according to you, they don't want to take control over the alternative media.

I'm not saying they don't want to take control. But they have been doing it the easy way, like GIYUS prompting Jews to defend Israel, and installing disinformation agents such as Tom Flocco, Mike Ruppert, Richard Grove, Greg Szymanski, Meria Heller, Morgan Reynolds, etc. Note how Smith's gang never attacks Richard Grove, who is a proven liar.

I wouldn't dispute your estimate of such paid agents numbering in the low hundreds. Jews who volunteer to defend Israel would extend well into the thousands. But Smith and Hufschmid are running a much more sophisticated operation than merely putting out a few disinformation pieces. They are agent provocateurs, gatherers of information on the truth movement, and Judas goats attempting to deceive 9/11 skeptics into believing that iamthewitness is the one true truth-telling source in order to establish a cult following that will attack Smith skeptics and provoke a schism within the movement. This is what I would mean by the "key guys" (which in any case is a term invented by the Smithsonians). Bollyn is rather more of an enigma, but he appears to have been forced to join the Hufsmith team after his cover was blown at AFP.

Now of course, if your theory is correct, there's no need to take over the alternative media, because most of its talking heads are afraid of lawsuits and therefore won't expose them anyway.

It's not just lawsuits, they also fear losing their jobs and being tarnished as an "anti-Semite" or a "conspiracy theorist".

Despite this, they employ "3 key agents" who expose the real crooks, in order to divide a fake movement that blames everything on Bush & Cheney?

They only expose, with the aid of their intelligence connections, just enough to maintain the illusion that they are anti-Zionists. It's a multi-tiered strategy fighting on several fronts. The thousands of Jewish volunteers defend Israel and promote the idea of "urban legends" and "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories". The hundreds of disinfo agents steer people towards Bush-Cheney, the Jesuits, the Pakistanis or the Saudis. The few "katsa-like" key agents divert a proportion of truth-seekers, those with an inability to detect who is genuine and who is not, then control the flow of information to the followers and induce in-fighting that benefits the criminal network.

Does it not make much more sense that they installed lots of agents in the alternative media, some of them even before 9/11, because they figured it had a lot of potential with the advancement of technology?

Not 'agents' like Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones, David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, David Irving, Ellen Mariani, Mike Piper, William Rodriguez, etc. The difficulty in recruiting such people and then successfully getting them to pose as "anti-Zionists" would be immeasurable, and the risks the crooks would run with the possibility of such people talking would make such an operation counter-productive.

There need not be countless thousands of agents, as you imply is the position of TFC.

I don't imply it, they do. See below...

Knowing that they have total control over the media, how do you explain CNN allowing Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones to come on 3 days in a row? Yet when Bollyn gets on CNN it's the biggest hit piece ever.

They know from past experience Jones is only going to talk about the globalists, and Sheen has not done much research so will merely make a few points about WTC7. Damage limitation is carried out by means of character assassinations. Bollyn provided CNN with a superb opportunity to portray Israel's critics as racists and anti-Semites.

Your probability calculations are flawed, and seemingly deliberately so. You can't estimate a probabilistic value from a few selectively assorted facts.

It is possible to deduce that some of Hufschmid's "Crypto-Zionist agents" are likely suspects, and the idea that others on his target list are secretly agents is patently ridiculous. Nature operates on a log scale, with a rich tapestry of probabilities extending from zero to certainty. Why then, should Eric imply Germar Rudolf, Ellen Mariani, Mark Glenn, William Rodriguez, Mike Piper, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Mike Rivero is on a par with Tom Flocco, Morgan Reynolds or Alex Jones as likely "Zionist agents"?

What is the value of launching character assassinations on people without a scrap of evidence, people who are almost certainly innocent, when Alex Jones could be given the benefit of the doubt and probably does as much good as harm, and the likes of Hufschmid, Smith and Bollyn are certainly guilty and are poisoning the anti-Zionist truth movement?

I say the probability of Poseidon honestly believing there are almost no agents in the alternative media is of 1 out of 5,000. I'm assigning this number based only on my own perception.

You are correct. But I am being mischaracterised here. The number of key Scientology- or CIA-/FBI-trained agent provocateurs trying to establish a cult following who will become a disruptive influence is a very small proportion of the total agents employed.

Hufschmid and Smith's list of "Crypto-Zionists" includes Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Mike Berger, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Eustace Mullins, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero,, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ellen Mariani, Curt Maynard, Sam Danner, Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and countless others. Hufschmid asserts that there are "thousands of Crypto-Zionist web sites" and there may be "hundreds of thousands - possibly millions -" of members in the Zionist movement, and 99% of the truth seekers are "somehow connected to the criminal network" and are "useless".

Why should anyone fall for the deceptions employed by a bunch of charlatans whose 'research' consists of malicious gossip, baseless slander, unsupported assertions, and the writings of a failed journalist with something of a Walter Mitty personality? Listen to 19:30 minutes into this audio:

http://planetquo.net/MP3/Radio_Interviews/Piper_Hit_Piece_On_Bollyn.mp3

...where Piper recalls how, years ago when American Free Press trusted Chris Bollyn, Bollyn submitted a story to AFP that was merely a rewrite of a satirical article that had been published in The Onion. Bollyn had submitted it as a legitimate new story. After Chris Petherick did some research, he discovered it was a satire. So this was one case where an article of Bollyn's really was censored.

Piper suspects that Bollyn was part of a covert operation to get him out of AFP.

The core of your thesis that the TFC trio are agents rests on a false dilemma fallacy. "Either everything Hufschmid says is true, or everyone is honest." It's impossible that everyone Hufschmid suggests are agents are actually agents; I agree with that. But that doesn't mean everyone he has accused is innocent.

It's not a false dilemma. I would estimate some 5 - 10% of those he accuses are actually agents. But for some of these, like Alex Jones or Jeff Rense, the probability of them being an agent is about 50%; for others it is more in the order of 1 in a million. A genuine truth-seeker would not try to sully the reputations of those who are almost certainly innocent with malicious gossip and evidence-free slander.

If Smith's outfit were genuine, they would realise that they would do a far better job if they stopped their constant dissing of valuable contributors in the movement, and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. A mere 2 minutes 20 seconds into his December 16 show, Smith is already slamming Mike Piper and David Duke as "a couple of clowns", and at 18:00 minutes Smith suggests David Irving is a "homosexual paedophile" who has been compromised by the Zionists (a typical Smith ploy). It is likely that people avoid Smith and Hufschmid precisely because they can see through the deception and recognise that the gossiping Smith and hate-mongering Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.

Hufschmid seems to have become overly paranoid in the last months, but that doesn't take away from his previous work. I would say that he is one of the greatest critical thinkers of our time.

I would say that he is one of the greatest Judas goats of our time.

If you think Mike Piper holds back because he's afraid of lawsuits, then how do you explain Eustace Mullins, Jim Condit, Ted Pike, and many others not being afraid? You evaded this question.

It is the Smithsonians who have suggested that others hold back, and I gave an explanation which doesn't involve positing the existence of thousands of ADL handlers and thousands of individual cases of defecting to the ADL, maintaining an anti-Zionist persona, bribing or blackmailing, and preventing every single one of these agents from talking.

If your "lawsuits theory" is correct, then it should be a simple matter of getting everyone to come out full force exposing the Zionists. A fast chain reaction should occur where everyone comes out at the same time.

Maybe this would be a way forward, but who would organize it? And the crooks would still control the military and the police. If enough people came out and stormed government buildings at the same time, the crooks would hang, yielding a rather more final solution.

The fact that Smith and his gang are divisive liars who do more harm than good should make us conclude that the Smithsonians have made an error in failing to recognize their leaders for the covert agents they are. This, and the fact that they don't acknowledge that characters such as Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Rodriguez, Mariani, Glenn, Duke, Zundel, Maynard, Hoffman, Steven Jones, etc are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", really puts their intentions into question.

UAZ and Fester both prove their points, well done.

Anyone who exposes Zionists and their crimes and spreads this to others cannot be considered a Zionist agent.

One other counter-productive issue is that the constant exposure and discussion of Zionists and their crimes by people like us, can make it seem like the enemy is well organized and very powerful and almost impossible to bring down..Perhaps we should point out their weaknesses and our strengths and we should know that they can be brought down easily only if we all put our mind to it.

UAZ, well done! A cogent summary of Poseidon's odd workings and conclusions. I sincerely hope that others, even those who wearied of this thread long ago, will reflect seriously on your thoughtful summation.

I am glad to have gone through this exercise as we now have a written record of the "charges" against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid. Or is another deluge on the way?

I initially thought very highly of Poseidon, but now believe that he and the MASHER are the ones who are here to limit info and steer discussion.

Thank you for your very helpful contributions and forgive me my attempt at an attention grabbing headline.

Peace, Fester

Poseidon asks: "If AFP is really under Zionist control, isn't Szymanski just the sort of writer that they would be anxious to keep on board?"

The pertinent question here is why the hell did they not fire him the moment he started spewing his nonsense about the Vatican. His disinfo is so obvious that saying he's not disinfo makes you look disinfo (as is the case with John Stadtmiller). And as an interesting side note, the WingTV article you linked to does not call him disinfo because of his Vatican/Jesuits nonsense, but for other reasons, rather trivial in comparison.

We know that the "crooks" as you call them have complete control of the mainstream media, somehow, despite how difficult it seems. We also know that the alternative media is gaining widespread attention while the mainstream media is starting to decline. Yet, according to you, they don't want to take control over the alternative media.

Now of course, if your theory is correct, there's no need to take over the alternative media, because most of its talking heads are afraid of lawsuits and therefore won't expose them anyway. Despite this, they employ "3 key agents" who expose the real crooks, in order to divide a fake movement that blames everything on Bush & Cheney?

Does it not make much more sense that they installed lots of agents in the alternative media, some of them even before 9/11, because they figured it had a lot of potential with the advancement of technology?

There need not be countless thousands of agents, as you imply is the position of TFC. I would estimate the number of paid agents to be in the low hundreds. In addition to those agents with full-time jobs like Alex Jones, there are the Isaeli, American, and other Zionist-supporting Jews spreading misinfo, some of them empowered by criminal Zionist organizations like GIYUS, CAMERA, ADL, etc -- as you correctly point out.

I don't think they're trying to delay 9/11. Rather, they realize there's no way to stop it, so they're trying to get control over the investigation. They controlled the 9/11 Commission (non-)investigation, so of course they will control a potential "real" investigation. If there's any lesson to learn from their history, it's that they always infiltrate and subvert all sides of the issue.

Knowing that they have total control over the media, how do you explain CNN allowing Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones to come on 3 days in a row? Yet when Bollyn gets on CNN it's the biggest hit piece ever.

Your probability calculations are flawed, and seemingly deliberately so. You can't estimate a probabilistic value from a few selectively assorted facts. I say the probability of Poseidon honestly believing there are almost no agents in the alternative media is of 1 out of 5,000. I'm assigning this number based only on my own perception.

The core of your thesis that the TFC trio are agents rests on a false dilemma fallacy. "Either everything Hufschmid says is true, or everyone is honest." It's impossible that everyone Hufschmid suggests are agents are actually agents; I agree with that. But that doesn't mean everyone he has accused is innocent. The Zionists are nothing without their extreme deception, and they'll do everything possible to take control of the truth movement in order to blame it all on Bush & Cheney. Hufschmid seems to have become overly paranoid in the last months, but that doesn't take away from his previous work. I would say that he is one of the greatest critical thinkers of our time.

It should be obvious that Alex Jones and so many others are NOT doing any good by trying to blame it all on the "US government" (i.e., Bush, Cheney, and a few others) and on nebulous entities like the "Globalists". It may serve as a "bridge" for some people, but not for most. If all the honest people who have fallen for Alex Jones' treachery (probably in the hundreds of thousands) realized what the real problem is, then maybe something could be done about the problem.

The idea that people like Alex Jones serve as a "bridge" between the mainstream media and the truth would work in a perfect world where everyone is highly intelligent, persistent, and not so conditioned by the mainstream. Why do so many people believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are the brains behind 9/11? You can thank the likes of Alex Jones for that. The sad fact is that most people stop at Bush & Cheney. More and more people are waking up to Zionism, and a large part of it is thanks to Hufschmid's early 9/11 work + Bollyn's superb investigative work + Smith's most informative radio interviews.

I agree that they focus too much on exposing shills and possible shills, especially in the last months, and it has gotten to the point where it's very counter-productive, I have to say. But to think there are almost no shills is ridiculous. Alex Jones is an obvious one, and so are most of the other Zionist deniers. There is no other reasonable explanation. Your "oh noes the lawsuits" theory doesn't cut it. Whether you like it or not, they have put out the best anti-Zionist information. There's not really much to add anymore -- it's all in the middle of this page.

Smith has mind-control skills? Who's the conspiracy theorist now? It would make more sense to suggest Eustace Mullins is approaching senility, despite there being no evidence to suggest that is so. So now you're saying Bollyn is no longer an agent but was just manipulated by Hufschmid? Seems like Bollyn must be a bad guy some way or another, eh?

If you think Mike Piper holds back because he's afraid of lawsuits, then how do you explain Eustace Mullins, Jim Condit, Ted Pike, and many others not being afraid? You evaded this question.

If your "lawsuits theory" is correct, then it should be a simple matter of getting everyone to come out full force exposing the Zionists. A fast chain reaction should occur where everyone comes out at the same time. Imagine the "gatekeeper sites" DailyKos, DemocraticUnderground, ThinkProgress, etc, all the Alex Jones/PrisonPlanet-type news sites, the anti-war sites like antiwar.com, and all the RBN-type radio networks, all exposing the Zionist involvement in 9/11 at the same time. How could lawsuits stop that? It would be so devastating to the Zionists, that for the aforementioned sites to NOT do it should constitute a crime. If all those Zionist deniers are honest, they should get the hell out of the truth movement, as they're doing the exact opposite of good.

The above should make us conclude that your theory is incorrect. This and the fact that you still don't acknowledge the obvious great work of TFC in exposing Zionism, really puts your intentions into question. As I said earlier, you may call them paranoid and divisive, but they're not Zionist agents.

Po, you clearly know cult mentality from the inside out. Thank's for sharing. It just keeps getting richer, dude.

However, since the latest line is all so obvious you might have told us 100 posts back when you were spinning those other cracked plates. This latest does look promising. I'm keen to see how high and deep you can go. Courage!

Justice, I agree it's getting tedious. Sorry.

I think Smith's shows are the best I've come across. I think Piper is more suspect than Smith for having been in place for much longer. The bad guys own ALL SIDES - or the ones that get a national audience. That's commonly understood here, no? That would be AFP rather than the "3 Key Guys."

I asked for proof since Po was so adamant, and said I was open minded. I got lots of cartwheels, incantations, and barking but never anything of substance. I found the continual shifting from one charge to another very disturbing.

I think Poseidon is doing the folks here a disservice in trying to steer people away from Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid.
People should be encouraged to hear Smith and the boys for themselves. I'd bet most could sort the wheat from the chaff without uber-Nannies Posiedon and MASHER monitoring the net to "help out."

Even if Poboy's vaporing means something, you still have 98% good info and only 2% of the diabolical "FBI-style mind control entrapment" stuff. I'd bet the WUFYS crowd could turn the tables on the "3 Key Guys" and bring down their whole operation.

Jefferson said the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. That's Daryl Smith's position. But old Posiedon thinks that's a bad policy. That notion is troubling as it seems to be the attitude that got us so deeply in the shitter to begin with.

I rest.

This thread has been very productive for me; I can now see the strategy used by the Zionists, and how they were able to run their operation to attack the truth movement with very few key agents.

Back in 2000 and 2001 when 9/11 was being planned, the crooks could never have foreseen just how big the truth movement would become. They didn't know they would be stuck with a skyscraper to demolish without a plane to hit it, or that molten iron would be observed pouring from WTC2, or that the person responsible for falsifying the BTS on-time flights database would fail to log AA 11 and 77 as "scheduled", or the person supposed to put Arabic names on the flight manifest would not do the job, or the actor pretending to be "Osama" would have such a poor resemblance, or the "dancing Israelis" would be arrested, or Silverstein would make the mistake about "pulling it", or CNN and the BBC would exhibit foreknowledge, etc. The planners would likely have had so much chutzpah that they reckoned the mainstream media would counter most skeptics. Jewish skeptics who sincerely believed that Bush/Cheney did it would volunteer their efforts towards the cover-up. Goy skeptics would be recruited, often oblivious to the fact, to stifle the movement.

Eric Hufschmid was one of the early key agents, and Daryl Smith was brought in when the truth movement snowballed. The plan involved creating a cult following who would, in all innocence, be manipulated into acting as "agents".

As demonstrated in this thread, one of Hufsmith's main tasks is to create division and mistrust between people in the movement who should be natural allies. Smith's followers - call them the Smithsonians - are taught that Smith skeptics are "Crypto-Zionists". If they see someone posting who is anti-Smith, they are encouraged to counter it. In turn, Smith skeptics suspect the motives of Smithsonians. The Zionists would love discussions to degenerate into quarrels where each calls the other a dodohead, and people storm away in a Huf(f). I believe that was their intention here, but it didn't work with WUFYS.

When the "key guys" are professional manipulators who can create something of a cult following, they can have thousands of people volunteering to promote the idea that the Hufsmith outfit is the one true truth-teller and everyone else is fake. They even have people like Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones on their hit lit:

We now have another name, Rebecca Cerese, and everybody else involved with this video should be investigated. Jim Hoffman exposed himself years ago. Now we need to ask Kevin Ryan and Professor Jones, "Why are you still associating with Zionist criminals?"

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Bollyn-Hufschmid-12Jan20...

The funny thing is that, in typical Zionist fashion, they suggest that the other truth-seekers are guilty of the very crime Hufsmith is guilty of, i.e., claiming to be the one true truth-teller.

Hufsmith identified the phenomenon whereby named individuals and publishing outlets hold back for fear of losing their job or being labelled an anti-Semitic or a conspiracy theorist. It was then decided to exploit the fact that, since Hufsmith were working for the criminal network, they could say whatever they liked. Hufsmith would then claim that other truth-seekers were holding back, not because they were being kept in check by the established institutions and taboos, but because each was being blackmailed or bribed by an ADL handler. This is as silly as someone who observes a crowd of 1,000 who have got wet from standing in the rain, and then concludes: "No, it wasn't the rain. It was 1,000 invisible men, each with a water pistol!"

I think there's good people on both sides of this argument - Bollyn, Glenn, Poseidon, Masher, Piper and others, and I dislike some others on both sides - Smith, Rense, and Jones. I like both AFP AND Bollyn's website, I find truth on both!

This thread has been beaten to death, so lets let it rest in peace.

Posiedon: But if AFP was a Crypto-Zionist outlet, why did they allow Bollyn to expose so much about Zionist crimes? Was Mark Lane, who they say is a "Zionist" who was running AFP, sleeping on the job? If AFP were not censoring incriminating articles exposing Zionism, then they were not acting as Zionist puppets. And if they were Crypto-Zionists, why was Bollyn happy to stay with them for so long? If he was trying to gather evidence and document it, he should have published some articles on it by now.

FESTER: It was Mullins who said that AFP was controlled by Jews. DBS, like others, think they control almost all media. You disagreeing with that one? One of your points, no longer held apparently, is that Bollyn gave out good info to lure us in. Have you now abandoned that or are you going to revert to saying all his stuff was crap in your response? You’re all over the lot Poseidon. DO RECALL that Bollyn said he was very badly treated at AFP and they CENSORED his stuff. They now smear him as a disinfo agent MUCH as you do. NO evidence really. Just a bunch of harpies saying “he’s dangerous. Stay away.” Kinda like your ownself. How interesting.

Posiedon: So Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are the three true truth-seekers, they don't know what the "mysterious" and "strange" connections are between people, but it must be "suspicious". Talk about baseless allegations, unsupported assertions and paranoid conspiracy theorists! Smith's gang would do a far better job if they stopped all this dissing people in the movement and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. I suggest that the reason people avoid them is because they realise that Smith and Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.

FESTER: What I take from them is that (GIVEN what WE KNOW about Zionist media control) VIGILANCE is required. I don’t know the problem with Mark Weber and I still read his stuff. Maynard is a Jew basher apparently. Jones is an OBVIOUS shill and I won’t waste any time on it or do CNN and Clear Channel really try to present all sides? I missed the obvious problems with Jones until Smith et al pointed it out for which I’m grateful. What Smith has is a very valuable library of shows with very good guests. Newcomers, in particular, would benefit greatly from going there and learning some historical facts. But we’ve got good old Poseidon and MASHER who have made careers of steering people away. Your 3-D graph, 3 Key Guy theory, etc. really don’t stand in comparison although I once admired some of your compilations of others work.

Poseidon: Piper's suggestion is that the Mossad-controlled Church of Scientology could be the cult that is the secret force behind Eric Hufschmid - the ultimate answer to the "Hufschmid Conundrum". Smith seems to have skills in mind control techniques, given his success in inducing people like Eustace Mullins to say what Smith wanted them to say.

FESTER: Po, DBS and the boys CONSISTENTLY belittle herd behavior and cults. The only evidence of mind control techniques are your indefatigable REPETITION of this wild assed assertion. Piper fed that line to Mullins, and MULLINS repeated it. THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE that Smith is guilty. Why the HELL CAN’t WON’T YOU tell the truth?

YOu go on and while I start to stagger under the weight and spin, you talk about Bollyn's "great work in exposing Zionism" and the "staged the Taser assault and arrest" due to Hufsmith's " mesmerizing of Bollyn."

There's a whole lot more crap after that but I've had enough for the morning.

We know that Smith claims the following: 1) American Free Press is "run by Jews" and is a de facto Crypto-Zionist organization, with Piper, Carto et al being blackmailed / controlled by ADL handlers. (E.g. see his Dec 16 show with Mullins.) 2) Chris Bollyn has done an excellent job in exposing Zionism and Zionist involvement in 9/11.

But if AFP was a Crypto-Zionist outlet, why did they allow Bollyn to expose so much about Zionist crimes? Was Mark Lane, who they say is a "Zionist" who was running AFP, sleeping on the job? If AFP were not censoring incriminating articles exposing Zionism, then they were not acting as Zionist puppets. And if they were Crypto-Zionists, why was Bollyn happy to stay with them for so long? If he was trying to gather evidence and document it, he should have published some articles on it by now.

And consider Eric's recent mud-slinging:

Take a look at all the audio files of Daryl Bradford Smith since 2005:
www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html

It is too difficult for any of us to understand what these connections are, but you can see that something is suspicious. As an example, consider the strange connections between Anthony Hilder and other suspicious people.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ostrovsky-deception.html

So Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are the three true truth-seekers, they don't know what the "mysterious" and "strange" connections are between people, but it must be "suspicious". Talk about baseless allegations, unsupported assertions and paranoid conspiracy theorists! Smith's gang would do a far better job if they stopped all this dissing people in the movement and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. I suggest that the reason people avoid them is because they realise that Smith and Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.

This brings us on to Chris Bollyn, your point 2). I'd be willing to accept that my theory about Bollyn being a "Zionist agent" ever since 2000 could be wrong. In the alternative, I suggest the David Rockefeller connection is just coincidental, and Chris was a sincere anti-Zionist but a somewhat flawed character. He sometimes overstated his case and misinterpreted data as 'evidence', e.g. the seismic "spikes" - something which I have surely been guilty of in my quest to seek the truth.

Listen to the start of Piper's April 6, 2007 show:

http://216.240.133.177/Piper/07/index.php

Piper's suggestion is that the Mossad-controlled Church of Scientology could be the cult that is the secret force behind Eric Hufschmid - the ultimate answer to the "Hufschmid Conundrum". Smith seems to have skills in mind control techniques, given his success in inducing people like Eustace Mullins to say what Smith wanted them to say.

So the Zionists - through the Church of Scientology - employ "two key guys" to establish a cult following amongst truth-seekers. In the summer of 2006, Hufsmith succeed in manipulating Bollyn and drawing him away from AFP, where he had done some great work in exposing Zionism. Maybe he was persuaded to go along with the Danner story and even stage the Taser assault and arrest because Hufsmith had mesmerized Bollyn convinced him that it would benefit the patriot movement.

So AFP fired Greg Szymanski for being a Zionist disinfo agent, and Bollyn because his articles contained some errors inserted by Bollyn in a genuine desire to expose Zionism.

In some ways, there are more reasons to suspect Makufka than Bollyn: Makufka, like Hufsmith, was a rather divisive force who dissed others in the truth movement. Makufka tended to emphasize "Jews" as the problem, and he was so anxious to promote the "Flight 93 landed at Cleveland" theory that he even wrote a book about it. However, the Makufka - Guliani split looks genuine. She thought he concentrated too much on "Jews"; he thought she had been lured away by the "ponerology" material. In fact, both concepts of Khazar inherited traits and of psychopaths taking positions of power are valid. Maybe the Khazar influence is greater, in which case you imagine a 3-d graph which has Israeli leaders at the highest corner, the ordinary working people in a non-Khazar nation at the opposite, bottom corner, and the slope from the Khazar edge down to the opposite edge is greater than the other axis so Israeli IDF soldiers are more criminal than the average non-Khazar politician, say. The second highest corner is equivalent to IDF troops.

Fester, in the "Fester Bradford Smith plot" theory, we have the interesting coinciding of your blog entry featuring on DBS with iamthewitness linking to my site. The hufschmid.htm file has been available since about last August, so we can say eight months or a period of about 240 days.

Let the day of this blog entry define the range of required days for the timing of the iamthewitness entry. The link appeared two days after the blog entry; let us assume it could have been within the range 1 to 3 days after in order to qualify as sufficiently well-timed. So the probability of the link appearing in any of 3 days across a 240-day period is 1 in 80, i.e., only a 1 in 80 probability of an innocent explanation.

Then we have UAZ's "fortuitous" arrival at the very time Fester's blog entry is generating a lot of interest. Now it isn't particularly eventful if a newcomer posts an excellent blog entry an then enters a debate and favors one particular side of the argument - and admittedly not being too polarised. But the fascinating thing here is UAZ's detailed and authoritative knowledge of what was said on DBS shows, what was said on Piper shows, what happened with Eustace Mullins, etc, along with knowledge of the multitude of Crypto-Zionist agents theory. I'd estimate the probability of this as one in several tens.

Next we have the fact of the Fester style exhibiting similarities to that of DBS. A fair measure of this might be a probability of 1 in 10.

It's not fair to multiply all these together to arrive at a figure of 1 in tens of thousands. One must allow for what I call "improbability dilution", where other events might have indicated complicity but didn't. Taking the greatest improbability and ignoring the remainder, the 1 in 80 chance suggests that this was not just coincidence.

Fester's style of not appearing to respect his opponents made him seem a suspect character, but we are all probably a bit suspect apart from qrswave. Fester suggests he has an alibi: he was posting on Sunday when Daryl was doing a broadcast. How long does it take to do one of these shows, and how did Fester know that it wasn't recorded on Saturday?

But I can forgive Fester's style, and if he is really Smith he would probably have called someone a dodohead by now. I wanted to point out the possibility of a Zionist agent provocateur attack that could have provoked some in-fighting, and, once started, could have been hard to stop. But maybe the Zionists aren't sophisticated enough to engineer a stunt like that. We can explain the creation of the link as a result of Eric and Daryl taking an interest in this thread.

I can resolve your point 2) if people think the idea of Bollyn being a sincere but flawed character who was manipulated by Hufsmith is a better fit for the facts. As to the point 1), I don't agree that all those people suggested by Hufsmith as bad guys are being blackmailed, bribed and controlled by ADL handlers. Most of the disinformation people would be Jews who were sincere in trying to divert attention from Zionists to the Jesuits or Bush/Cheney. By establishing a couple of professional manipulators who can establish a cult following, the Zionists can provoke dissent in the truth movement without all the costs, risks, and counter-productive nature of having ADL handlers for these thousands upon thousands of Crypto-Zionists.

My theories, although not 100% correct, will always have an advantage over Smith's: My theories are aimed at modelling and describing the real world. Smith's theories are designed to serve an agenda - the Zionist agenda!

Over recent months I'd tired of the Hufsmith / Bollyn saga, and had concentrated on creating my files such as:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/wtcdemolition.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/smokinggun.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/potusspeaks.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/911psychos.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/saintlyjews.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/zionistdenial.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/israel.htm

...so is this really the action of a "Crypto-Zionist" or agent provocateur? It's worth spending some time investigating the matter of who are the Judas goats; I have learnt some more and sharpened up some of my theories. But there is the risk of dividing and stifling the truth movement when people do not come to the same conclusions, and time spent on the topic of shills could have been devoted to exposing Zionist crimes.

The fact that Eric and Daryl are so anxious to promote the idea that almost everyone is an agent, along with theories that are utter nonsense, tells me all I need to know about them.

Po, you're off on a new tangent, bobbing and weaving, proposing your "Million Crypto-Zionist" theory and asserting that it is a central pillar in the worldview of Smith, Hufschmidt, and Bollyn.

FACT: Daryl and Eric do toss off numbers in conversation about how many people MAY be involved, BUT the CONSTANT REFRAIN is that "THERE'S NOT VERY MANY AND WE SHOULD BE ROUNDING THEM UP." Eric then segues into his "so we gotta educate the police rather than antagonize them" spiel.

I'm sure you know this, but you'd rather launch into an entirely specious finanacial calculation. Sorry, but bullshit squared is still bullshit.

The problem is your absurd contentions which I hope people will ask you to explain or retract. I'm tired of this but then maybe you are too.

They're YOUR BABIES Po, love um or leave em, but they're ugly and dumb and I don't want them:

1) Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmidt are the "3 Key Guys" sent by the Zionists to "divide and stifle" the truth movement. I see it as your attempt to blame Smith for something you do yourself.

2) Bollyn's contributions are insignificant. 2a) You've also said they're good. 2b) You've also said they are too good.

There's quite a bit of other stuff but I'm asking for terms here. I offer A FULL AND UNCONDITIONAL APOLOGY to you (and the mortally wounded here at WUFYS and across the truth movement in perpetuity) IF YOU PRESENT clear, specific, factual explanations for the above (1, 2a, 2b, and 2c).

If you attempt to dredge up your "Fester B. Daryl B. Smith" conspiracy theory, all bets are off.

UAZ makes some good points:

It appears that Poseidon takes everything Mike Piper says as gospel.

I wouldn't take anyone's word as gospel. He could even be an agent. I just find Piper's version of events more realistic than Hufsmith's theory of a million "Crypto-Zionists" who all have to be recruited, handled, probably paid, and prevented from blowing the whistle on this colossal network. And many of them high-profile names like Ernst Zundel and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

The "3 key guys" could be considered equivalent to Mossad katsas, with many more sayanim helping the operation. And there would be other, more obvious, Jewish agents. But the "sayanim" would be quite low-profile types, mostly just posting to internet forums.

That's why it's so bizarre that he's [Mullins] "playing two sides". It all comes down to the mystery of what happened behind the scenes between Dec 16 and Jan 8.

If indeed anything did happen, which seems to require that we propose a much more elaborate conspiracy theory with many more players...

Smith never responded to the Jan 8 Piper-Mullins show. All he said was that Piper was "manipulating that 84 year old guy" (12 Jan 2007 show, at 42:31 - 43:05). Piper didn't respond to Mullins' remarks on Smith's 16 Dec show either. He limited himself to calling the TFC trio all sorts of names (Dec 20 show at 16:08 - 27:00 and Dec 29 show at 35:58 - 39:02).

My theory is more economical than the rather convoluted conspiracy theory needed in the scenario where Mullins is got at round about the New Year. If Mullins was telling the truth on Daryl's December 16 show, then firstly you need the conspiracy theories that AFP is a "nest of vipers", with Piper, Carto, Petherick et al having all been recruited and now being handled as Crypto-Zionists, with the ensuing risk that they might defect and tell their stories. Then, for some reason, the Crypto-Zionists are so worried about Smith having exposed this on his December 16 show that they specifically employ a handler to induce Mullins to change his story into entrapment by Smith, then he is brought on to Piper's show to say so. I think it's more reasonable that Mullins wasn't got at, Piper et al weren't recruited, and Smith is the Judas goat with some skill in leading people on to run down others to serve Smith's agenda, when his interviewees are speaking without notes and about topics that they know little about.

Smith correctly identifies Greg Szymanski as a disinfo agent. Greg was shifting attention from the Zionists to the Zesuits and the Vatican. American Free Press got rid of him in September 2006, shortly before Chris Bollyn was fired. If AFP is really under Zionist control, isn't Szymanski just the sort of writer that they would be anxious to keep on board? AFP's firing of Bollyn and Szymanski is more consistent with the theory that both were regarded as unreliable reporters whose stories required checking, than the theory that AFP is "run by Jews".

Poseidon, you have a good point regarding the threat of legal action, and an interesting theory of how everyone is just afraid of lawsuits. If, as you say, Smith, Hufschmid & Bollyn are Zionist agents, then they would face no such threat. Aside from being ridiculous on its face, your theory faces numerous problems. For example, nobody has any problem blaming Bush & Cheney for everything, so why would they have trouble blaming the true culprits?

The fear of lawsuits in a Zionist-biased legal system is just one of the pressures brought to bear. There is also the fear of being labelled an "anti-Semite", "racist", etc. I'm suggesting that the behavior of Alex Jones and others is better explained as a natural consequence of the existing taboos that the crooks have successfully established, rather than postulating the existence of countless thousands of Zionist blackmail and bribery agents who are employed to enforce such behavior. And why are the crooks so worried by the truth movement that they have to employ a million agents when they already have such control of the mainstream media stemming from Adolph Ochs' takeover of the New York Times in 1896?

How would you explain their numerous guests throughout time who expose as much as the trio? To name some: Eustace Mullins, Ted Pike, Jim Condit Jr., Lorraine Day, David Pidcock, Barry Turner, Mohammed Rafiq, Chris Bjerknes, Texe Marrs, James Dickie, Andrew Hitchcock, et al. The first three are fairly high-profile, at least as much as Piper, who holds back a lot more than them.

Part of Piper's holding back can be explained in terms of the legal threat, e.g. like when he did not explicitly name the Church of Scientology. There are some facts exposed on Smith's show, but a lot of it is devoted to Smith's agent provocateur agenda of dissing his rivals. Smith also has a habit of diverting attention from today's crooks over to historical theories on matters such as Adam Weishaupt's activities, which would be less damaging to the Zionist Mafia of today.

Your theory implies that if you're ever successful you'll have to tune down your message, hold back information, or even stop exposing the real criminals altogether. Why even bother then?

Outlets such as AFP and Alex Jones lie in an intermediate zone between the mainstream media and the best of the internet. After they have established a niche for themselves, they are then worried that it would be career suicide if they start talking too much about "Zionists" or "Jews". This holding back makes the outlets a target for Hufsmith's operation to put on their list of "Crypto-Zionists". But these outlets are still useful as a primer for those who are just waking up from their slumber and turning away from the mass media. A proportion of these people will not be distracted by UFOs and Bigfoot, and will go on to the internet and find that the "globalists" are really Zionists. Or after finding out that Israel and internationalism are not all they're cracked up to be, they'll go on to discover that the Zionists are the culprits behind most of the world's woes, and 9/11 and the Hollow Co$t are their Achilles heels.

It makes little sense to believe there are only a few wolves in sheep's clothing in the truth movement. The Zionists have almost infinite money, and that can buy them lots of willing helpers and blackmail puppets. There is no shortage of people who'd sell out for money. Alex Jones may be one of those, as he seems to care only about money and fame.

If it costs the Zionists just $1,000 per month per Crypto-Zionist, a million agents would amount to $60 billion every 5 years. Given that they already have the mass media and the existing taboos about "anti-Semitism", I can't believe that the Zionists would be prepared to shell out good money to maintain all these agents for such a dubious advantage, and with the risk that it could even be counter-productive when agents start to talk. Sooner or later the truth has to come out about 9/11; the crooks are hoping that they can delay this for the rest of their natural lifetimes.

The actions of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Webster Tarpley, and many others who will never point the finger at Zionists as the real culprits, or who mix the truth with pure nonsense as is the case with Rense, can only be explained if they are complete idiots or agents. And it is clear that they are not idiots.

Or the other explanation as I suggest above. They don't want to jeopardize their careers. And if they risk losing an income of $5,000 a month, say, that is a more powerful incentive to avoid focusing too much on Zionism and Zionist involvement in 9/11, than an additional income of an equivalent amount.

Christopher Bollyn has exposed more than anyone in regards to 9/11. In addition to the things Fester listed: the Yoran brothers and MITRE Corp., Michael Goff and PTECH, Dominick Suter and Urban Moving Systems, Kobi Alexander and Odigo, the lease process of the WTC, the molten and boiling iron, etc. And most importantly, the connections between all these Zionists.

This is a better list than Fester's, which included some "exposes" of dubious value. I'll have another look at Bollyn's research. I wasn't following things in 2002. How much of his work was exclusive, original material, and how much had already been uncovered by rivals? But if Bollyn was an agent throughout that period, his connections would have a plentiful supply of information that could be "discovered". They would release enough to make him appear to be a genuine anti-Zionist who was well ahead of the pack, whilst trying to limit the damage.

Poseidon's "3 key agents" theory is not realistic.

The "million Crypto-Zionists" theory is not credible. It is too costly, the benefits are dubious, and the risks of whistleblowing are not trivial.

Poseidon also miscaracterizes Smith's position. Where/when did Smith ever say that Germar Rudolf, Zundel, Mullins, Ahmadinejad, San Danner, or William Rodriguez are agents? Hufschmid has suggested that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" and Sam Danner are agents, but Smith has not, AFAIK.

It is true that the trio have their differences, but they are all partners in the same enterprise. For example, has Smith ever been heard to denounce Hufschmid's Apollo theories or suggestions that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" are Judas goats?

Either Piper, Petherick and a whole lot of others such as Mike Rivero, Ernst Zundel and Eustace Mullins are Crypto-Zionist agents, or it is Smith and his partners who are the agent provocateurs and Judas goats. My money is on Smith.

Oh, OK, I see what you mean now by "false flag". It just reminded me of DBS's misuse of the term.

Poseidon would have a stronger case if he didn't mischaracterize and spin the stance and allegations of those he claims to be exposing as Zionist agents. Acknowledging the superb investigative work of Chris Bollyn, Daryl Smith's excellent radio shows (esp. early to mid/late 2006), and Hufschmid's early 9/11 work, would also help his case. Not doing so puts his intentions into question.

In the same way, whatever you might think of Poseidon, you must acknowledge that he has done some great work on TakeOurWorldBack.com. His timeline is excellent. Is there anyone who thinks otherwise?

He seems so eager to prove they are agents that he makes up ridiculous theories like "the Zionists have only 3 key guys and everyone else is honest" and "Fester and UAZ are obviously DBS and Bollyn in disguise, in a plot to destroy Poseidon and WUFYS".

I can only come to the conclusion that Poseidon is an agent; OR that he has a profound, irrational hatred of all things related to the iamthewitness.com trio for some obscure reason.

UAZ, I'M DBS-Hufschmit-PJZ-etc. Don't steal my glory here.

I see you agree with me that Posiedon is casual with the facts and mischaracterizes things also.

You don't care for my use of the term "false flag." I thought it apt because Poseidon seems eager to make great waves against Smith and anyone who supports him. When queried for some evidence, he produces quibbles, mischaracterizations, and odd theories like his "3 Key Guys".

He says Bollyn hasn't done any worthwhile reporting, and I pray to JESUS that you'll explain that statement before the RAPTURE. But true to form, in his latest post www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1250#comment-5317 Posiedon has drops that charge and goes back to saying Bollyn is problematic because he's LYING about his arrest, the FULL TRUTH of which is KNOWN ONLY BY POSEIDON. You relying on Guiliani and Thorn for that sterling truth, PO?

I used the term "false flag" because I came to the conclusion that Poseidon likes to charge people with "trying to divide the truth movement" when he himself would like to keep Smith-Bollyn-Hufschmid marginalized. IF Poseidon had any real evidence, I'd THANK him for it, but he doesn't. So, he's like those who create an incident, blame others, and reap the rewards which is close enough to the definition of "false flag" to work for me. His bleating that Fester was trying to "destroy WUFYS" reeks of desperation and I do not think he likes being asked to explain himself so in public. My questions are pretty simple; I just want a credible explanation. Peace.

justice seeker -- That's not from Mark Glenn; it's Dr. Albert Pastore's outstanding piece 'Stranger Than Fiction' posted on Nashid Abdul Khaalig's website.

Poseidon -- your theory has no basis in reality. Somehow I'm Bollyn or Hufschmid in disguise, but I gave you ammunition to fire at myself by pointing you to the Jan 8 Piper-Mullins show? In your world, I suppose that makes a lot of sense. And somehow I'm attacking you (and WUFYS??) by not believing your "DBS/EH/CB and their alter egos Fester and UAZ are 3 key disinfo operatives and almost everyone else is honest" nonsense?

Again you miscaracterize what those you claim are disinfo agents say. I don't think Bollyn says that the thermate could ONLY have been hidden in those batteries. Obviously there had to be thermate longer down on the core columns. How do you know Flight 93 was intended to hit WTC7? You don't really know this. I agree that it's unlikely that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland, but we don't really know this either. It's not disinfo just because you say it is. If anything, it's a few mistakes. Bollyn is human also.

Fester says: "Smells like a false flag to me but I am biased."

Oddly enough, this incorrect usage of the term 'false flag' is something I've heard DBS using. I have to concede to Poseidon that Fester's writing style is similar to the little I've seen written by DBS, but that doesn't mean much.

The articles about 911:

crescentandcross.com Main Page

Articles by Nashid Abdul Khaalig

"FBI Admits:No evidence linking hijackers"

"Israel Did 911. The Irrefutable Evidence"

Poboy, I'm sure you're anxious to, but let's not wind up just yet since you keep heaving up such spectacular muck and nonsense.

You and the MASHER seem to be the ones running on fumes and are now reduced to accusing me of being Smith, PJZ and other entities and working in a tag-team conspiracy with UAZ to "damage Q's excellent site." Bark on dude.

The only part that you got correct was that I did get started with the O'Reilly's a Lying Whore thing at Maynard's site. I'd been printing copies of your "Zionists, Psychopaths, and 9/11" to hand out to people. I had briefly looked at your anti-Smith thing but figured, what the hell, people can disagree.

It was when the first comment at Maynard's was by our very own, oh so busy MASHER that I decided to post the "Bolshevism and Zionism" piece from DBS (www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1142). MASHER seems to have made a career of steering people away from Smith and I thought the B & Z piece was very good.

MASHER naturally couldn't contain himself, and THEN you popped up from the depths. I hoped that you might clue me in with something solid (as UAZ did with his info on Mullins). NO such luck. All you got was an endlessly shifting load of assertions. I, exactly like Daryl!, tend to shoot from the hip and so was not the best person to sort thru the tide of insinuations and quibbles. But having started things, I felt compelled to sea it through.

You said some very interesting things, and it is my hope that the members here will focus on TWO in particular:

1) Bollyn offers nothing of import
2) Your "3 Key Guys" model for Zionist control of information

If the group takes a little time to consider these, I think there might be some reevaluation of your wisdom/motives. I think you painted yourself into a corner with those and you know it. That's why we know get your conspiracy in a nutshell attempt to wind things up.

I said from the start that I'd been wrong plenty (Mike Ruppert, Tom Flocco, Alex Jones <- he's in it for the $ is NOT an excuse, to name a couple). I remain happy to concede that DBS et al are fake IF YOU EVER GET AROUND TO PRESENTING SOMETHING WORTHWHILE.

Since that's not gonna happen, I'll stand at the ready to do battle against your "Fester Bradford Smith Is in League with UAZ to Destroy WUFYS" line of nonsense. Smells like a false flag to me but I am biased.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Smith's little sting operation is approaching the endgame. To understand how the operation was conducted, I shall outline an account in chronological order where possible.

The aim was two-fold: (1) To attack qrswave's excellent site, which is a thorn in the side of the Zionists. (2) To attack me. I created the file:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/hufschmid.htm

The original version, around last summer, was about Eric Hufschmid. When Bollyn's behavior became increasingly suspicious, I documented his activity, too. The file was regularly revised over the last year, and is now rather larger than the original.

On August 24, 2006, Curt Maynard posted the blog entry "Bill O'Reilly is a lying son of a whore". This also included an attack on Greg Szymanski, whom I believe Smith / Hufschmid correctly identify as a disinfo agent, and an attack on agent provocateur Smith himself. Maynard, a genuine anti-Zionist, was placed on Smith's hit list. I don't agree that Smith should be compared to a "lying son of a whore"; it is too insulting - to whores!

Fairly recently, Smith or one of his cronies or groupies under the handle Suzette the Whippette started making enquiries to find out who ran the Take Our World Back site.

On Thursday, 5 April 2007, Eric Hufschmid - or a US-based agent with open windows to the erichufschmid.net and iamthewitness websites - grabbed the hufschmid.htm and another (shills.htm) files from my site. On Friday 6 April, Smith - using the handle "Fester" and posing as a kind of Smith groupie who has been mesmerized by his every word - posted this blog entry at WUFYS, based on Maynard's article. They were hoping I would rise to the bait, but I was tiring of the topic of Zionist shills, and ignored it. Hence, on Sunday, April 8, Hufschmid was forced to link to my site from iamthewitness. This seems to have been a last-minute decision; Smith didn't mention me although I believe he mentioned "Fester" and Masher.

I entered the discussion on this thread the following day, Monday April 9. Smith's team then decided to bring in another plant to make up the numbers.

On Tuesday, April 10, UnitedAgainstZionism made his/her first blog entry. It was an excellent entry, in order to establish credentials as a 'genuine' anti-Zionist and 'independent' evaluator of the arguments. Rather like Bollyn establishing his credentials with the phony "death threat" and being obliged by David Rockefeller. However, UAZ's blog entry was merely lifted from a site where it had been posted the previous day, April 9, by an author "RE Virus" at merqurycity.com, an extra sentence tacked on to the start and the odd word changed here and there.

So now, of course, Fester/Setter/Smith's shill UAZ weighs in, and unsurprisingly is seen to support Fester/Smith. UAZ could be Bollyn, or Hufschmid.

No one is claiming that Bollyn didn't release any anti-Zionist information. If he hadn't, he would have had zero credibility. But disinformation was mixed in as well, such as the absurd theory about UPS batteries at Fuji Bank being thermate and an aircraft transmitter system in disguise. In order to damage the steel - most of which would have been protected by intact fireproofing - the thermate would have had to have been in thermal contact. The radiated energy attenuates in an inverse square law, and a bit of thermate in a room would not have brought down the building. And the Command Transmitter System to steer the planes would have been located in WTC7, where the CIA and the mayor had offices, not in Fuji Bank. Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7; after it hit the transmitter would have been redundant. They were foiled when the plane was shot down. Bollyn was also observed promoting the disinformation theory about the Cleveland Airport landing.

Christopher Bollyn does manage an impression of sincerity on occasion. But considering all his actions, such as provoking the arrest, he is a consummate liar and actor.

I would regard anyone supporting Smith too strongly as suspicious, although you have to take their previous record into account. There are many good people who have been deceived by the terrible trio. I used to believe they were on the level.

It was Hufschmid who said Glenn was a white supremacist. He probably confused him with Mark Farrel or someone else. (There are so many Marks...) Hufschmid is often reckless in accusing others with minimal evidence, but the amazing thing is that they never put together a coherent rebuttal to his claims.

Do you mean this response, 'justice seeker'? It's a generic babble about how he is of Lebanese descent. It's a long essay that basically says nothing other than "Darryl and Eric are bad". He could've summed it up in one or two paragraphs.

He says he has "spent the last 15 years writing and speaking out against" the "Jewish agenda", yet apparently he can't figure out that 9/11 was a(nother) Mossad false flag operation? He prefers to talk about how the "Israeli spies" were sent back to Israel (See The_Piper_Report_(6pm_on_Mar_19th,_2007).mp3, at 42:32 - 52:53 in this file, and this recent undated article) rather than to talk about how the Israelis working for Urban Moving Systems and Larry Silverstein planted explosives in Building 7.

I couldn't find any article stating that 9/11 was a Zionist false flag operation on CrescentandCross. Can you post any links, JS? You don't need to know any HTML, just copy and paste the URLs.

Justice, I went there this morning. I've been to and liked C&C articles previously. I couldn't find a search function and didn't find Smith or any likely looking titles. I'll go back and have another look. I DO think Smith is sometimes a little broad in his statements, but that is not sufficient for people to condemn him as a "zionist tool." Smith doesn't completely trust Rivero (he distrusts the network Rivero now has a show on and he thinks it absurd to claim that a 757 DID hit the Pentagon). I agree with Smith that these are suspcious BUT I still use Rivero's site all the time. I REALLY question Poseidon and MASHER'S sustained attacks on www.iamthewitness.com and Bollyn and Hufschmidt. They put out way too much solid info and their errors are minor. Po-Masher insist on trying to make mountains out of molehills. Go figure. Peace. Fester

Spend an hour or so reading through Mark Glenn's articles, and articles by other people on the site. You'll find entire articles about 911 being a Zionist false flag operation. There's no BS and evasion of truth on that website.

I'm a computer-illiterate old man who doesn't know how to link to articles on another site.

Everyone should read Glenn's response on his website to DBS's accusations. Smith also called him a "White Supremacist" but the strangest thing about that, is that Glenn is NOT White! He's of Lebanese heritage (Maronite Catholic) and considers himself to be Semitic.

Justice, did YOU hear Smith call Glenn "a zionist agent"? If so, can you point me to it. I suspect you've heard Posiedon repeating and repeating it.

As UAZ lucidly pointed out moments ago, there are real questions about Poseidon's characterizations of what Smith has said. UAZ, excellent comments. Clear and concise. Lots of fine questions sitting there for Poseidon to take out of the park. Not.

Justice, have you heard Smith? Can YOU give me an example of his infamous "FBI-style entrapment technique"?

UAZ, i'm a bit baffled by your statement that Mullins' credibility is high. But I've been in front of this screen too long and MASHER has dropped a bomb on my world outing me as the efarious "RETARD" Daryl B. Smith/Lotus/PJZ." Poor, sad, desperate MASHER.

Mark Glenn's site, crescentandcross.com includes articles that DO MENTION Mossad involvement in 911. Even if the site didn't have those articles, that wouldn't be a good reason for Smith to accuse Glenn of being a Zionist agent! There is so much OTHER GOOD INFORMATION on that site, I can't help but think Smith must be a Zionist agent himself - why else would he attack Mark Glenn? Who wants to discredit Glenn? The Zionists.

If not for people like Glenn, Qrswave and Rivero, I never would have awakened from my slumber a year and a half ago. I would just be another naive sheep, vaguely aware of the Zionists power but not knowing a lot of details. Who would want to attack such people as Glenn and Rivero? Obviously Zionists, and perhaps indirectly, by way of deception.

I bet Smith doesn't like Qrswave here either, since she's done such a great job of revealing the truth!

It appears that Poseidon takes everything Mike Piper says as gospel. If Piper says that Mark Lane is indeed an anti-Zionist Jew, then it must be so. If Piper says that Mark Lane doesn't have any control over AFP, it must be so. Should we just ignore the fact that Eustace Mullins unequivocally said that "everybody knew" Lane was "running the Spotlight operation"? There was no "entrapment" by Smith. Unless Mullins had a gun pointing at him or something, he was no dupe. He knew what he was talking about.

I would say Eustace Mullins' credibility is actually very high, after what he has done to expose the Federal Reserve and Zionist influence, and after what he has gone through (the FBI destroyed his family, they tried to put him into a mental asylum, etc). That's why it's so bizarre that he's "playing two sides". It all comes down to the mystery of what happened behind the scenes between Dec 16 and Jan 8.

Smith never responded to the Jan 8 Piper-Mullins show. All he said was that Piper was "manipulating that 84 year old guy" (12 Jan 2007 show, at 42:31 - 43:05). Piper didn't respond to Mullins' remarks on Smith's 16 Dec show either. He limited himself to calling the TFC trio all sorts of names (Dec 20 show at 16:08 - 27:00 and Dec 29 show at 35:58 - 39:02).

Regarding the 'Son of Deguello' (or 'A Brief History of White Nationalism') document, note that it's the document that says it, not Smith & Hufschmid. It was whoever is behind deguelloreport.blogspot.com that made it public; TFC merely reproduced it. It was posted on Feb 14; i.e., 5 weeks after the Jan 8 Mullins interview with Piper.

BTW, does anyone have any idea what 'Tribe of Deguello' is? It says "coming soon" and was posted on Feb 21.

Poseidon, you have a good point regarding the threat of legal action, and an interesting theory of how everyone is just afraid of lawsuits. If, as you say, Smith, Hufschmid & Bollyn are Zionist agents, then they would face no such threat. Aside from being ridiculous on its face, your theory faces numerous problems. For example, nobody has any problem blaming Bush & Cheney for everything, so why would they have trouble blaming the true culprits?

How would you explain their numerous guests throughout time who expose as much as the trio? To name some: Eustace Mullins, Ted Pike, Jim Condit Jr., Lorraine Day, David Pidcock, Barry Turner, Mohammed Rafiq, Chris Bjerknes, Texe Marrs, James Dickie, Andrew Hitchcock, et al. The first three are fairly high-profile, at least as much as Piper, who holds back a lot more than them.

Your theory implies that if you're ever successful you'll have to tune down your message, hold back information, or even stop exposing the real criminals altogether. Why even bother then?

It makes little sense to believe there are only a few wolves in sheep's clothing in the truth movement. The Zionists have almost infinite money, and that can buy them lots of willing helpers and blackmail puppets. There is no shortage of people who'd sell out for money. Alex Jones may be one of those, as he seems to care only about money and fame.

The actions of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Webster Tarpley, and many others who will never point the finger at Zionists as the real culprits, or who mix the truth with pure nonsense as is the case with Rense, can only be explained if they are complete idiots or agents. And it is clear that they are not idiots.

People like David Duke and Mark Glenn do a fairly good job of exposing Zionism and they seem sincere, but I can't understand why they are still saying that the Mossad only had "foreknowledge" of 9/11. Duke even implies that Arabs were behind it, in a video he made.

Christopher Bollyn has exposed more than anyone in regards to 9/11. In addition to the things Fester listed: the Yoran brothers and MITRE Corp., Michael Goff and PTECH, Dominick Suter and Urban Moving Systems, Kobi Alexander and Odigo, the lease process of the WTC, the molten and boiling iron, etc. And most importantly, the connections between all these Zionists.

Many of these are key elements to uncovering who was behind 9/11 and to piece it all together. If it wasn't for Bollyn's excellent reporting, you'd have 95% of truth seekers thinking Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld or the "Luciferian Controllers" did it. Bollyn has also done great work on other subjects, such as depleted uranium and vote fraud.

Poseidon's "3 key agents" theory is not realistic. They (particularly Hufschmid) have gone too far in accusing almost everyone except themselves of being shills, so you may call them paranoid and divisive, but to call Bollyn an agent is shooting yourself in the foot.

Poseidon also miscaracterizes Smith's position. Where/when did Smith ever say that Germar Rudolf, Zundel, Mullins, Ahmadinejad, San Danner, or William Rodriguez are agents? Hufschmid has suggested that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" and Sam Danner are agents, but Smith has not, AFAIK.

Now i don't want to be seen as an influence but i will say i think that Poseidon is now getting to the real meat of this unbelievably long thread. Keep at it you are almost into the light. Again sorry to have to do this the hard way. But it is Daryl coming onto our field. So even with many levels of gigerery pokery going on to hide your comings and goings you cannot hide the coming and goings of your brain. We see you CLEARLY every time you visit. I told you before Daryl I WILL ALWAYS BE HERE. I will always know your speaking if you do it on a mp3 or if you type it in because i have your number. Any one that has heard any number of the shows you put out has your number. You cannot hide form me even for a second regardless if you are talking or typing.

I told you directly that i could see you so why did you continue? Do you think that there is any hope for the "I am the Witness" show? Do you think tha ANY thing you say here is going to do anything? I cannot fathom what your end game is but whatever it is it will fail. Your not fooling that many here and i am sick of seeing your rantings and attempts to drive Down loaders to your dreck filled Mp3's.

Now i was VERY nice. I left your place and NEVER caused you any trouble there. Now i expect the same thing with you HERE just as i did at MATHABA that time we had words there.
Enough is enough Daryl your not going to delay that many for very long before your true job that your are paid for is revealed. You can do it your self. Or you can continue this RETARDED fester/lotus/PJZ shit you seem to revel in doing.
It is lame.
BORING and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
Please flip over to our side before it's too late for you Daryl.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.