Wipe Off The Map! Push Into The Sea! Words Ahmadinejad Never Said.
So what does it mean when Ahmadinejad and Akef refer to the “myth of the Holocaust”, as they both certainly did:
Speaking to thousands of people in the southeastern city of Zahedan, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said: "Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets." -- Holocaust a myth, says Iran president
The head of the Muslim Brotherhood, the main opposition force in Egypt's parliament, has echoed Iran's president in describing the Holocaust as a myth:
"Western democracy has attacked everyone who does not share the vision of the sons of Zion as far as the myth of the Holocaust is concerned," Mohamed Akef said in a statement on Thursday. -- Brotherhood chief: Holocaust a myth
"Some western governments, in particular the US, approve of the sacrilege on the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), while denial of the `Myth of Holocaust', -based on which the Zionists have been exerting pressure upon other countries for the past 60 years and kill the innocent Palestinians-, is considered as a crime," added the president. -- President: Real holocaust to be sought in Palestine, Iraq
They don't say the Holocaust didn't happen; they are suggesting something more complex than that.
That last quote in particular suggests
that Ahmadinejad is using the word “myth”
in its correct,
technical sense.
Remember: myths are stories...
that groups of people tell to express and justify their most fundamental beliefs about themselves, their origins, their essential nature, etc.
Ahmadinejad is saying that Zionism tells the story of the Holocaust in
exactly this way, i.e. as a vehicle
to explain and justify what Zionists believe about themselves.
When he “denies” the “myth” of the Holocaust, he is not denying
the Holocaust, he’s not even
discussing the Holocaust
as a historical event at all.
He is denying the
validity of the use
to which the story
of the Holocaust
is being put.
He is saying that
instead of being a story
that expresses an
underlying truth,
“the myth of the
Holocaust” expresses a
“truth” that simply
isn’t true, and that
denial of that myth is
such a big deal
in the West because
you are not meant to
question whether
the underlying claim
is really true.
So what exactly is the “myth of the Holocaust” that Akef and Ahmadinejad reject?
Well, do you remember Wissam Tayem, the Palestinian man forced by Israeli soldiers to play his violin for them at a checkpoint in the Occupied Territories?
As Chris McGreal pointed out at the time, the sight of a Palestinian being forced to play the violin for his occupiers caused quite a stir in Israel. But the main reason it made Israelis (specifically Jewish-Israelis) uncomfortable was not because they recognized that it's simply wrong to treat a human being the way Wissam Tayem was treated.
Instead, it made them uncomfortable because it challenged their image of the kind of people they are, and the kind of country they have created. In other words, it undermined the Israelis' myth of themselves.
After the incident was videotaped by Jewish women peace activists, it prompted revulsion among Israelis not normally perturbed about the treatment of Arabs.
The critics were not drawing a parallel between an Israeli roadblock and a Nazi camp.
Their concern was that Jewish suffering had been diminished by the humiliation of Mr Tayem.
-Lawrence of Cyberia
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/07/everything_you_.html
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And I will add that Mr Tayem playing his violin is just one speck of dust in the air when it comes to the onslaught of humiliations and degradations the I"D"F subjects Palestinians to, young and old, whether at the check points, or making rounds -invading the territories as usual in their tanks.
Mr. Tayem belongs to the legion of Palestinians who have suffered miserably, yesterday and today.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm
I can't remember, but I think I acquired this link from Marc Parent. I am pretty sure I did.
Excellent article which adds further proof that Ahmadinejad NEVER said "Wipe off the map" or "Push into the sea"...
Automaton Americans still associate these words with Ahmadinejad, and fail to see the connections between these stupid slogans and the shrieking/hysterical/mindless ZIONISTA-PRESS.
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THE ACTUAL QUOTE:
So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime.
This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).
So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech.
Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".
for this detailed clarification about what he said and what they are accusing him of. Zionist regime is holy and chosen one and anyone who dares question its holiness is evil and I am afraid this has to do a lot with religious animosity of the judeo-christian hijackers of the Truth. No offense intended to truth loving Jews and Christians but Crusade is still on no matter what we are fed with to dismiss that fact. I know it is politically incorrect to use that term but then again same rule applies to Zionism. It is unacceptable to question Zionism and its proponents yet we all suffer because of it...silence of the lamb...deaf ears...rapture of the reason is already here...
"Let there be Light!"
If someone does not want Israel to be "wiped off the map" then what is it that they want instead, that is if they want anything in regards to the subject of Israel or Jews remaining in or leaving their current location?
Does the president of Iran agree or disagree with the statement that the press said came from him?
If someone does not want Iraq to be "wiped off the map" then what is it that they want instead, that is if they want anything in regards to the subject of Iraq or Muslims remaining in or leaving their current location?
Does the president of the USA agree or disagree with the
statement that his claim of freedom and democracy is just Orwellian double speak for genocide by uranium pollution, starvation and violence.
It's very simple. The Jews who view and treat Palestinians as equal human beings might stay inside Palestine (although maybe not on their present location) the rest can go back to Europe, US, Russia etc.
Leadership of the land should be given back to the natives, this includes the arab-Jews, that lived their before the zionist invasion.
Iraq utilizes technology that was invented by the USA: cars, TV, radio, electricity, medicine, sciences, etc.
It has been determined that Iraq would eventually utilize USA invented technology to build itself into a threat towards innocent civilizations worldwide.
The USA is comprised of proven solutions. Iraq is not as sophisticated as the USA.
Some solutions that Iraq was trying to implement as its example are proven to be harmful.
Also Iraq can not be trusted with its own oil reserve. The proven and progressing method of protecting the environment from pollution is a must for all civilizations' future interests. Rogue and hazardous civilizations cant not be supplied with powerful tools.
For thousands of years civilizations survived without the modern technology. If a country can not be responsible with technology then it should revert to methods that prior cultures economized.
Iraq utilizes technology that was invented by the USA: cars, TV, radio, electricity, medicine, sciences, etc.
It is funny that even if you believe that "the USA has invented medicine", it was under Saddam that there was universal free health care and Iraq was even sending their doctors to other countries to help them. And now when Iraq is ruled by the US hospitals are shit. The US cannot even give decent health care to its own citizens.
Even schooling was free even up to University level. The only thing you had to pay for where the copyrighted western books but even that was subsidized by the state.
Why can a dictator achieve free universal health care,free schooling, drop illiteracy from more than 50% to nearly 0%, make basic necessities like water, energy, housing etc affordable for most Iraqis without taxing the shit out of them while the "superior" US cannot do this for the Iraqis or even for their own people.
I don't support dictatorship, but I am just pointing out that if Saddam could do it without the benefit democracy, why can't the US?
It has been determined that Iraq would eventually utilize USA invented technology to build itself into a threat towards innocent civilizations worldwide.
It wasn't even a threat to its own neighbors anymore before Operation Iraqi Liberation. Or do you believe they hid their nuclear weapons capable of striking Europe, in Iran of Syria?
And with what US technology are the Iraqi's fighting the occupation rapists now?
Yes they really where so arrogant to call the invasion Operation Iraqi Liberation (O.I.L.)Check about first 20sec of this whitehouse webcast to hear them say it!
Hey NAN are you perhaps coming from the enchanted land of Narnia or you have no clue about whats going on in the world. I mean your reasoning is straight out of some twilight zone comic book. Are you actually implying that US civilizations is invading Muslim countries for environmental protection. I mean you are trying to be very polite and calm but I am afraid that you had too many magical puffs. Did you actually read what you have typed over. According to you US/Israel (Nuclear powers) civilizations are not rogue and hazardous. Did you go to school, haven't you heard from anyone that un-rogue and safe US civilization dropped two atomic bomb on Japs and tested many others on its own citizens. As for environment US and Israel have been more hazardous than anyone else when we take into consideration amount of nuclear and biological pollution they have invented into our atmosphere. I recommend you go and read some more about your civilizations that you trust so much.
I also noticed that you have complained about poor level of communication that some of us here might have. If you reason in the way you do I am not surprised that some people might get provoked to tell you off in vulgar manner. I am not sure that you have read much from this site and pretty much rushed in your estimation about what we stand for. You are not first to fall into that trap so browse deeper into archive you might learn something if you stay long enough. Good luck.
"Let there be Light!"
Iraq utilizes technology that was invented by the USA: cars, TV, radio, electricity, medicines, sciences, etc.
It has been determined that Iraq would eventually utilize USA invented technology to build itself into a threat towards innocent civilizations worldwide.
The USA is comprised of proven solutions. Iraq is not as sophisticated as the USA.
Some solutions that Iraq was trying to implement as its example are proven to be harmful.
Also Iraq can not be trusted to govern its own oil reserve; for one reason: The proven and progressing method of protecting the environment from pollution is a must for all civilizations' future interests. Rogue and hazardous civilizations cant not be supplied with powerful tools or those tools might eventually empower evil dictators.
For thousands of years civilizations survived without the modern technology. If a country can not be responsible with technology then it should revert to methods that prior cultures economized.
Had Japan and Germany won ww2 you readers could probably have never been born.
The USA is not perfect but the world is much safer than without it. And the USA loves Israel. We'll adopt you also, just dont be scared or jealous.
Not everything about Iraq was bad but the good things looked like they could have been destroyed by the bad things of Iraq.
NAN you are quite deluded person and no jealousy here my friend rather gratefulness that I am not part of your superior civilizations. However you are in for some quite rough wake up from self-induced slumber.
"Let there be Light!"
Post exact information that will prove the claim in your last sentence unless you are incorrect.
read news and if you still don't see whats coming up than you don't need to post any information to prove otherwise for truth about your delusion will be self evident.
"Let there be Light!"
Your infantile posts here are the proof to back up this claim. You really do come across as a Desperate Dan.
I have recorded information stated by the criminal bloggers here and it will be forwarded to the FBI.
Thank you for exposing yourself so quickly.
https://tips.fbi.gov/
Do you honestly think anyone gives a damn what you do?
Perhaps something rattled your cage, oh desperate one?
sullivan - type your name address and contact information
where you can be reached
I just emailed the FBI
let me give them more info
identity theft is a crime
crime prevention will trace all intrusions to the thief
Huh? I most certainly did not. Please point out where I threatened you. For a start, you would first have to obtain a life before it could be threatened and that you most certainly have not done.
Whatever for? Don't be silly.
You go ahead and do that. Then take your Prozac.
How on earth could I do that? I don't know your name. Idiot. I did say that you were a bit of a Desperate Dan. Is your name Desperate Dan?
Babble, babble, babble. Is that all you do? Do you even know what identity theft is, ignoramus?
If you are not a criminal with intent then provide your real name and contact info.
I now leave this web site and welcome the investigation by the authorities.
has a lot of chutzpah
you have to hand him/her that.
he/she comes over here, naming itself "no alias needed" then has the nerve to demand names and addresses from other members.
Hate to bust your little bubble "nan" but, someone else beat you to it.
WUFYS has already been "investigated" by undercover detectives and - NOTHING.
Too bad - eh?
You wanted to get your little rocks off by maliciously prosecuting those whose opinions oppose your own.
Better luck, next time.
Maybe you and Horowitz can get together for a loser's bash.
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"Money" has no value - people do.
I think I accidentally stumbled on the name of this particular troll. It seems that this particular Zionist toy soldier / hasbara operative goes by the name Desperate Dan.
He/she/it has also slandered me by claiming I threatened his/her/its life. If anybody should be demanding full disclosure of contact details, it is me.
Statistically, the odds of that are slim. Once a clown, always a clown.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/files/wakeupfromyourslumber/wakeupf...
Did you leave us NAN? Really?
Everything you say is - oh, I dunno - a bit like a kreestian zionist, pining for its great god 'israel', no? Americans love israel?
What will the Americans do when they find out that all roads to hell lead to and from israel?
Here's a song [link above] to cheer you up, nan. You can dance to it if you like. You can also send it along to the FBI with my love.
You see I was right in my assessment NAN you are extremely DELUDED person who has no clue about the reality of the world we live in.
BTW who are you calling criminal bloggers you deluded schmuck. I have tip for you "WUFYS Red Pill: take it in small dosages until you you can digest it without dramatic side-effects." Maybe you should have taken the blue pill.
I never heard that someone has name Desperate Dan but then again I am not from your superior civilization so you'll have to forgive me my ignorance. If FBI relies on informants like you then we are in for a really rough walk on the highway to hell.
"Let there be Light!"
No alias.
Your No bravery.
For one with bravery defends the right to freedom of thought and speech and expression.
It is OUR DUTY to question the unquestionable. IT IS OUR DUTY as truth searchers to question all things.
As for you and your type, you only wish to propogated what you deem to be truth, stiffle freedom of discussion and expression, because you and your types are against all things free.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire