not Jews, not Germans, not, Muslims, not Americans - NO ONE.

THAT IS CALLED COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT - and it is EVIL, through and through.

Personal accountability is what everyone and their governments must strive for.

That - and only that - is JUSTICE.

Now this is interesting. Shortly after I posted the main article above, clicking on the "Here" link for Gilad's website gets me, "The page cannot be displayed". It worked fine mintes ago.

You may have to try later.

This is what Google has:

Gilad Atzmon's home page

Cutter has many of Gilad's stories here.

Wow, look what I found!

Gilad's story with all the hotlinks.

Cutter at Peace Palestine introduces the article:

Thursday, December 07, 2006

Is Comment Free at the Guardian? Only if you are a Zionist running a smear campaign: the strange case of Gilad Atzmon

The Guardian's blog section, Comment is Free allowed an article to be printed that was nothing but a Kangaroo Court against Gilad Atzmon. They did not allow his reply to be reprinted, but an edited version to go in the comments section for a day. Here is the full version. So that Comment is really free.

True it is evil to hold a whole group of people responsible for the crimes of some individuals.

However it seems there is alot of effort being made by some truelly nasty people in positions of power and influence who want to do nothing but build a picture of the world where everything is stark and certain. Where 'they' are evil and 'we' are good, they all evil and we all good and we want to make everyone join our extreme position so that we can destroy 'them' who are each and all evil.

Human beings who fall for this type of crap spewed out by the mass media and their political whores must be very stupid and dumb. We can all make a better world for everyone if we just learn to stop listening to the crap and we fight against the evil within each of our souls and establish justice within and without in society, fight oppression and ignorance (the greatest weapon of the power elite).

This is an exchange between me and mparent7777 that is well worth sharing:

mparent7777 wrote:

I am not sure about your comment to the first posting. Do you think Gilad was advocating collective punishment?

As an aside, I am always intersested in the accountabilty question.

If  my country attacks another am I not accountable in some way?

qrswave replies:

Everything in the mainstream media is published for a reason. I'm sure that he - personally - meant well.

But, the publishers are looking to stoke the fires of anti-semitism - it's good for business.

By repeating the idea that "Jews" in general are responsible for crucifying Jesus (Muslims, btw, don't believe that Jesus was crucified, but instead he was raised to the Heavens to return in the future).

Anyway, my point is that no one should be blamed for what someone else did.

So, no I don't think that you or I or anyone else is accountable for the crimes that our governments commit in our names.

We are doing what we can to stop them.

That's what counts.

Peace.

I've never understood why anyone cares who killed Jesus. If you're a christian, you believe that that was the plan all along...if you're anyone else....why do you care?

And in the Virgin Mary.

Though, I agree that it's not really important who killed him (or tried to kill him - depending on whether or not you believe he died, which I don't).

I think what's important is - WHY they tried to kill him - because he was spreading a message that threatened their power structure, which they had in place to oppress and exploit the weak among them.

Agree'd, but we must realize that the Romans were the ones ultimately responsible for that regime. If you believe that the U.S. is responsible for the situation in puppet regimes like Pakistan and other nations, you most assuredly cannot blame the Jewish establishment for their own regime that was put in place and wholly supported by the Romans.

for anything, let alone everything.

Whole populations of people cannot be blamed for the acts of some of those people.

As far as who was 'running the show' in Rome - I have no idea. I'm not a historian.

As for who is running the show here and now - it's very clear that there are some very influential and very corrupt Jews involved as well as many corrupt Christians, Atheists, and Muslims.

My apologies :) I'm still reacting strongly to this site hahaha. I'm trying to tone it down, but yeah, I just assumed :( So i'm sorry :)

I agree that the Jews did try to kill Jesus. At that time, they were not known as "Jews" but as pharisees and saducees and whatever else.

The Muslims do not believe it was Jesus that died on the cross, although Muslims do believe that the sinners (pharisees and such) of that time did indeed try to kill Jesus, which is why Jesus avoided these people as much as He could.

Of course, for convenience sake, today people call those people of that time Jews. They were of the same idea anyway. The name just changed over time. They were sinners.

Jesus may have been a Palestinian and I wouldn't doubt it. But Jesus was no Jew - not of the "jews" of that time and certainly not like the so-called "jews" of this time as we know them today - most certainly not. King David and Moses and Abraham were not Jews either.

Jesus was simply more of a Galilean. He preached the Good words inspired by God but he did not give himself the title of "Christian". The people who followed him of that time did call themselves "Christian" because of his name. But Jesus did not offer any "titles" or "labels" of Faith as to what he was - nor did any of the other prophets of their time.

This is one reason why Muslims hate to be called Mohammadens - because according to all the prophets they did not want their name to be glorified - only God and His Word.

Jesus was never a Jew. Simply there really is no proof of this. I like Gilad Atzmon, but I believe he is misinformed or making an assumption of the people of that time.

Esau I Have Hated

Where do you get any of that from? Its cool and all to disagree with 90% of the world on history, its just that you need to actually provide some evidence that Abraham, David, Moses, Jesus, and pretty much all the Jews in the bible were in fact, not jews.

How were the pharisee's and saducee's not Jews? The entire premise of their "holy" lifestyle was that Jews were the chosen people. They didn't believe anyone else could get to heaven, and when Jesus proposed this (go to the Gentiles if the Jews turn you away) shocked many people. The Pharisee's and Saducee's were quite legalistic, and were often "sinners" as you say, but most of your other stuff doesn't make any sense. Define jews, and tell me why nobody that we accept historically as "jews" aren't really jews at all.

All across the world, everyday, in nominal Judeo Christianity, there is a so-called minister who teaches the blasphemous doctrine that Jesus Christ was a Jew.

If you ask the average deceived blasphemer who calls himself a Christian who Jesus was, he will tell you that Jesus was a Jew. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Jesus was not a Jew racially, Jesus was not a Jew politically, and Jesus was not a Jew religiously. Anyone who disagrees with the expressed teachings in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ is guilty of blaspheming the doctrines of Christ.

To call Jesus Christ an antichrist Jew is to call God an antichrist Jew, because the simple truth is for those who will read their Bibles that there are a number of reasons why Jesus Christ could not have been a Jew.

First of all, he could not have been a Jew because he was God in the flesh. For those of you who do not believe this, you need to read John 1:18 (AST):

"No one has seen God at any time. The Only-Begotten God, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He explains."

ESAU I HAVE HATED

The problem of trying to figure out if Jesus was or wasn't a jew is totally meaningless if you can't figure out what a goddam jew really is to begin with. Good luck tryin'. My suspicion is the whole goddam human race are jews, but the so called "Jews" just happened to be the first ones to figure that out.

Jesus was born to a Hebrew mother, but she was not a Jew. There are twelve Hebrew tribes (Asher, Dan, Gad, Judah etc.) mentioned in the Old Testament. Only once in the King James version is the word "Jew" mentioned in the Old Testament, in reference to a rebellious tribe among the Hebrews. The Jews lived in an area known in the New Testament as Judea. Mary was from a different Hebrew tribe to the north (near the Sea of Galilee).

The Jews were condescending toward the other Hebrews, and refused to accept a Nazarene as their Messiah. The Jews had their own traditions, different from the other Hebrews, and Jesus criticized them for betraying the laws of Moses and the Hebrew religion. The Jews persuaded the reluctant Roman governor Pilate to have Christ crucified.

However, many from the other Hebrew tribes accepted Christianity. Centuries later, many of their descendants became Muslim. The Hebrews are the ancestors of the modern Palestinians.

The Jews did not become Christian, and most of them eventually left Palestine. Centuries later a king in southern Russia converted to the Jewish religion, and his people followed suit. These new Caucasian Jews were known as Khazars, and became much more numerous than the Semitic Jews, and so are today the dominant majority.