Why are Jews at the Holocaust conference?
Notice that the BBC, like the rest of traditional Western media presents the conference as one of 'denial'.
I have examined Iran's conference literature which clearly states it is a Holocaust conference. The loaded word "denial" does not appear.
Many presenters have questioned the number of dead Jews, but not the Holocaust itself.
Note, the video below is about the famous Jewish historian Edwin Black's book, "IBM and the Holocaust".
He speaks of Jewish dead primarily but does mention in half a dozen passages a roughly equivalent amount of dead among non-Jews
(Video: IBM's collaboration with Hitler)....
He states clearly that the ONLY 'evidence' for the 6 million dead Jews figure is a magazine article. One magazine article.
BTW, I own a copy of the book. I recommend this thoroughly researched, literate read.
Why are Jews at the 'Holocaust denial' conference?
WHO, WHAT, WHY?
The Magazine answers...
Members of Neturei Karta
Orthodox Jews at the controversial Tehran debate
Why are Jews attending a conference on the Holocaust in Tehran at which star guests include deniers of the genocide? Clue: they also want an end to the Israeli state.
A handful of Orthodox Jews have attended Iran's controversial conference questioning the Nazi genocide of the Jews - not because they deny the Holocaust but because they object to using it as justification for the existence of Israel.
With their distinctive hats, beards and side locks, these men may, to the untrained eye, look like any other Orthodox believers in Jerusalem or New York. But the Jews who went to Tehran are different.
Some of them belong to Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City), a group of a few thousand people which views Zionism - the movement to establish a Jewish national home or state in what was Palestine - as a "poison" threatening "true Jews".
A representative, UK-based Rabbi Aharon Cohen, told the conference he prayed "that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely the state known as Israel, be totally and peacefully dissolved".
In its place, Rabbi Cohen said, should be "a regime fully in accordance with the aspirations of the Palestinians when Arab and Jew will be able to live peacefully together as they did for centuries".
Neturei Karta believes the very idea of an Israeli state goes against the Jewish religion.
The book of Jewish law or Talmud, they say, teaches that believers may not use human force to create a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah.
Iran defends Holocaust conference
But how does Neturei Karta and other Orthodox Jews such as Austria-based Rabbi Moishe Ayre Friedman justify attending such a controversial conference?
From news accounts this is not an academic conference. True, they did invite some anti-Zionist Jews but they are not Holocaust scholars. There does not appear to be one genuine scholar at the conference, just pseudo-scientific holocaust "revisionists." Correct me if I am mistaken.
I don't know if 6 million Jews were killed. Raul Hilberg estimated 5.1 million. Others higher than 6 million. Millions were killed, by a variety of means, including gas chambers.
were killed, then why do expect others to accept it as a matter of faith?
Doesn't that make it more religious dogma than it is history?
Obviously 6 millions is an ESTIMATE. Reputable scholars differ in their estimates, based on evidence not faith. That seems an obvious point. Maybe the number is as low as 5 million. People who put the number in the thousands, rather than several million, are liars or idiots.
Why are only those who agree with the official version of events considered reputable and serious? If you could get past your beleifs and honestly look at this, you'll see that those you consider 'liars or idiots' that argue against the official version of events present evidence as well ... they don't form their opinions based on faith as you alude to. What it comes down to is those in the West behaving like they have something to hide by flinging character accusations everywhere. Where is the proof to back them up? If they have truth on their side why not hold their own conference and invite both 'reputable' official version believers and 'liars or idiots' who argue against the official version?? Let them both present their cases so the rest of us can make up our own minds. It looks to me like it is you who is relying on faith here...your faith that you weren't lied to in history class and aren't lied to by government and media.
I make up my own mind. For a very good analysis and refutation of the "holocaust revisionists" see Michael Shermers "Denying History." Their claims don't hold up. Geologists do not invite young earth creationists to their conferences. Historians of the space program do not invite Moon Hoax proponents. Astronomers do not invite geocentrists.
Why are most if not all of the revisionists linked to neo-Nazi and other extreme rightwing organizations? Why invite David Duke to a supposedly scholarly conference. He is no scholar.
It comes down to the holocaust being used by Zionists to gain sympathy for their political aims. If they did not always use it as a means to this end...it would not be an issue.
"Their claims don't hold up. Geologists do not invite young earth creationists to their conferences. Historians of the space program do not invite Moon Hoax proponents. Astronomers do not invite geocentrists.
Why are most if not all of the revisionists linked to neo-Nazi and other extreme rightwing organizations? Why invite David Duke to a supposedly scholarly conference. He is no scholar."
When the professionals fail to do their jobs properly, the amateur is forced to step in.
And from the little I know of it, "revisionists" can't all be compared to moon hoaxers. Moon hoax is all or nothing, right or wrong. Revisionism at its best seems to be about unearthing all of the grey details, in a field riddled with black and white claims. The revisionists seem to be claiming that they are the Copernicans, but not many people are prepared to listen to them - or even allow them to speak. Many would have them thrown in jail for their beliefs. Sound familiar?
Do you think that this wasn't looked at seriously when Israel was created? When people have an extreme bias, and are doing research in the hopes of finding a certain answer, it becomes a conflict of interest. For Iran to setup a holocaust examination review that lacks many credentials is somewhat a conflict of interest.
Add on top of that the NUMEROUS accounts of holocaust deniars who have fabricated evidence in support of their claims and you are left with a skeptical world. I totally agree that Zionists and other groups have also made outrageous statements concerning the holocaust, but those are exagerations based on evidence that they've used for their own purposes.
Holocaust deniers bring no new evidence to the table. They spend their time examining claims of deaths or torture and attempt to refute them. Its essentially like christians claiming that there's any science behind creationism; There is none, so they simply use science to disprove evolution and claim that they've won.
-Jebus
You are grouping everyone who questions aspects of the official version of events with the very few who deny it altogether. That isn't fair to those who are honestly in search of the whole truth in order to clarify the historical record. Why is it that the Holocaust is one of the only world-changing historical events that is off limits to discussion in the mainstream? Someone asks an honest question or presents new information that doesn't jive with current dogma and within a few hours Western media and government goes crazy. That is what tells me they are afraid of honest inquiry. That tells me they have something to hide. It is for this reason that the Iranians took it upon themselves to open an international conference. Obvioulsy they have their own underlying reasons for doing so, however at least it is an open forum to promote discussion. That is a lot more than you could get away with in our so-called 'free' Western democracies.
I agree it shouldn't be illegal, I think its pretty daft that that is the trend of the West right now. I think the reason people freak out is because the Nazi's themselves documented how many they killed. There were numerous paper records of trainloads of Jews being shipped around the country, innmate logs, tallies of prisoners every month and tallies of people coming into the death camps. The evidence is so overwhelming, and even if you could somehow prove that it was 3 million jews dead instead of 6, thats not going to deter zionists in the least.
-Jebus