degenerates come on the blogs and turn Islam into a circus as the likes of MP. Really SAD.

MP: "...miss I'm not a muslim but I like to defend them on TV:

We Shia KNOW there are sects. So do the Sunnis."

Hassan Nasrallah would find you repulsive. But he finds all zionists REPULSIVE.

ONLY the zionist press talks the way you do. Only the zionist press, MP.

Don't think I have forgotten what you said about Zionism. Hassan Nasrallah would think you are despicable. So while you gavotte around the blogs and post your "hey guys, I'm with you", tripe, your so-called against the israeli speeches [sic] - NEVER FORGET. You have dug yourself into a hole that I hardly believe you can get yourself out of.

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..that there are numerous pharmacological cures for your type of syndrome.

Being a Shia does not mean a person hates Sunni.

That is you transposing your own inner hatreds on someone else.

You are easier to read than Cat in the Hat Rhiannon. I take that back...Hop on Pop.

You say that one can never get enough Quran? I agree. But what is stopping you, I wonder. Instead of throwing your snotty behaviour all over my Will She Go Round In Circles blog, I say, get thee to the Quran. Better still. Start with the Torah. You need to go really slow.

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YOU REALIZE THIS MAKES NO SENSE:

MP: "...miss I'm not a muslim but I like to defend them on TV:

We Shia KNOW there are sects. So do the Sunnis."

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MP......
Back to the Junk you spewed all over my "Circles" blog: I see you cannot answer any one of my questions. Instead, like a brat you just resort to your usual arrogance and snot-nosed behaviour.

Oh so very sad.

You're not a Muslim? No kidding. Thank you for confirming that you are here to play games with people. You're a shia? Hassan Nasrallah would be embarrassed by the likes of you.

Gonna take me to court, still?

their sick and twisted personalities on others. As you are trying to do with me. Also, zionists love to distract people with their childish antics. They delight in this. As you are doing right now.

You have nothing to say about what Nasrallah and Khomeini say in my blog?

That is very RICH. Thanks MP for continually proving my points about you.

So you are a shia, but not a Muslim? What is this? More garbage from the House of Horrors called ZIONISM?

Oh yeah. You fit in so well.

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MP: "...miss I'm not a muslim but I like to defend them on TV:

We Shia KNOW there are sects. So do the Sunnis."

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...I am a bit jet lagged. Over the past few weeks I haven't read any of this rot you've been linking with my name. None of it dear.

Now that I am back in the Sunny US of A and have proper internet access (unfortunately, in Lebanon it is hit and miss..either the electricity is out or the connection) I will set you so on fire that your best friend will turn into ashes if you keep this up.

Like I said. I am way out of your league and I know it. I also can find for you segments of Nasrallah's speeches in which he does refer to other muslims as less than valuable assets to the umma (that is what we call our noble community and I suggest you start referring to the umma like that so it appears you actually know something).

You apparently have the mistaken notion that muslims are all the same and for whatever sick reason you have assigned to us a position of flawlessness of character. I assure you, muslims come in all shapes and sizes and there are bad Shia and good Sunni. It isn't as bigoted as you would like to project. That's YOU darling. You have some very serious hangups about OUR religion that even some of us must be perplexed by. I'm not...I've run into women like you many a time on various poetry sites who are threatened by my overly adept use of the English language. You'll just have to forgive me on that one Rhiannon. I'm a poet you see. It is my business to work with rhethoric and words.

And as a matter of fact, little Abu Baha (Hariri's drug addicted son) accused Sayyed Nasrallah of "intellectual terrorism" so you see...there are many non Shia who don't like Nasrallah but I assure you they are just as muslim as me or Travellor or Leftfield.

Shia are not Sunnis. Sunnis can say and do whatever they like as can Sufis and the 'whatever elses' of Islam that may be lurking in on your vicious broadsides. It won't both me none and they are entitled to their opinion and as muslims I am very sure they know they are responsible for that on a level much higher than you are prepared to understand at this point (since you discuss muslims as if you are one but it seems you aren't one...you are addicted however to this "oh so friendly" attitude of defending all muslims against poor little old me). Oh for crying out loud. Are you for real or just another propagandist?

We are Shia. Period.

If you would like to explore what made the difference then I'd be more than happy to explain that to you (collectively). As it stands however I am respecting several requests from other people not to "proseletyze". Kind of hard you know when Islam is a total way of life and thinking.

The big picture and all of that.

You let me know and I'll be more than happy to explain to you what differentiates a Shia from a Sunni. I assure you...we exist. Contrary to your multiple notions of "otherwise".

Highly revealing and again you keep digging yourself into the GRAVE of your nonsense and whimsy.

You think this Site is for your pure pleasure and fun and games? I can tell this by your flip and surly answers to me. You think you are clever. NOT. Not ever not once.

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"We are Shia. Period."

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You are an IDIOT. PERIOD. The shia would call you PATHETIC. You are shameful.

On my CIRCLES blog you say that Islam is the Superior religion. PROVE it in the Quran. Where does God say this? You know God so well, yes? C'mon. Show me links, evidence that God says in the Quran that Islam is the "superior" religion.

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...are one more typical jealous female.

Quit while you aren't ahead but at least still standing up.

PROJECTING THEIR - maniacal and automaton - PERSONALITIES ON OTHERS.

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Still you must provide evidence and LINKS so that I may see that Nasrallah speaks the same dull zionist ROTE that you do. I wan't to see Nasrallah's words saying that '"we are shia" but not Muslims', as you so laughably say.

I want you to prove to me that in the Quran that Islam is superior.

Go on, prove to me that Nasrallah is an egghead like yourself.

Did you read what Khomeini says about Muslims and unity. He would turn you away from him in utter revulsion. Sick minds like you are the ones who start lopsided genocides.

Nasrallah is trying to stop the hate and violence against ALL innocent and defenseless people - especially in his country.

Nasrallah doesn't need the likes of you to try to undo what he has accomplished and is still trying to accomplish. Nasrallah doesn't need the likes of you to go on and spew garbage about divisions in Islam.

The zionist press has that copyright, of which you are an agent OR..... you are a dingbat who throws your poetry around like a self-indulgent prima donna who says "we are shia, but not Muslim" [SIC]

Of a mutated kewpie doll, sprung forth from a DINGBAT and a PRIMA DONNA?

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MP: "...miss I'm not a muslim but I like to defend them on TV:

We Shia KNOW there are sects. So do the Sunnis."
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Why don't YOU explain to everyone here how one is a shia but not Muslim?

Try this:

90% of shias and sunnis hardly give a damn about their sectarian leanings and treat the divisions with subtlety. However that fanatical idiots such as yourself are definitely NOT MUSLIM actually BELONG to the HOUSE OF HORRORS that is ZIONISM.

You certainly did not come on this website saying what you are saying now:

MP: "...miss I'm not a muslim but I like to defend them on TV:

We Shia KNOW there are sects. So do the Sunnis."

Certainly a LIE of omission.

Perhaps you should revel in your true leaders, you know.... Muhammad Dahlan, Chalabi, the late Shah of Iran.....they look good on you!

But you come here to confuse people.

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So you think Nasrallah doesn't know he is in the Shia group?

Really now.

Keep going. I'm very interested in understanding how you arrived at this seriously misguided assertion Rhiannon.

Perhaps you forgot that speech in which he told the Sunni leaders of the Gulf states, Jordan and Egypt that they wouldn't be sitting on their thrones much longer.

That's because he knows they have a history *Sunnis of cooperating with America and by proxy, with Israel.

Did you know that the cable TV in Saudi Arabia is owned and operated by a Zionist group Rhiannon?

Guess you didn't. Stick with me kid...you might actually learn something if you have any sense at all.

It was very interesting that the saudi backed "as sharq al awsat" ran an unsourced piece in their arabic-only edition after ahmadinejad's visit to damascus, about huge arms deals upcoming, whereby syria would be enabled to turn poor little israel into a glass parking lot.

This story has been quietly buried, after even the US denied it.

MP "I will set you so on fire that your best friend will turn into ashes if you keep this up."

You just keep digging deeper into your silly "wabbit" hole.

Haven't you had your Quran dose, yet? WHO are you to tell me to read the Quran? Did you read the Surahs from my Mrs. Robinson Blog? No? Yes? Couldn't handle them, right? Did those Surahs burn your flesh like a cross to a vampire?

Your above threat to me --- is that BEFORE or AFTER you take me to court?

Jet lag? An excuse for the stupid things you just said this evening? I am EXACTLY quoting what you said on Awakened Goyim's blog. What? Don't remember?

I suggest you explain yourself and do it with CLASS and respect! Show humility and tell the truth as the Quran would have you do so!

Notice how Nasrallah's speech and Khomeini's speech in my blog contain and command class, dignity and respect to the people they address. For someone who goes on about Nasrallah the way you do, you sound like you've been sleeping for 40 years. Do you even UNDERSTAND Nasrallah? Do you get him at all?

MP, I haven't forgotten what you said about zionism!!:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2250#comment-9257
"In my humble opinion...I think that people who oppose Zionism merely on the basis of their "evil doing" are going to miss the fact that there are a lot of evil doers in the world, not just one ideological type (and some muslims as well). What happens when you get rid of Zionism (in sha'allah)?"

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What happens when you get rid of zionism??

Why don't you say it to Nasrallah's face! His son DIED fighting those israeli cowards, the ones you have such empathy for. Nasrallah's son was under 22. His son represents every single child and young adult in Palestine and Lebanon who have TASTED ZIONISIM since they were BORN. Even before!

You are PATHETIC.

When I asked you about Saudi Arabia? When I asked you about Egypt and Jordan? Did you answer me when I asked you about Al Qaeda?

No.

Not going to provide proof for all the idiotic garbage, MP?

For someone who professes to know so much, there is a tornado of highfalutin stink going on instead - the direction of your keyboard.

You're asking me questions about Saudi Arabia?

You don't read very well. You don't know much about me. I think-know you are here to play games, especially.

salaams on you.... whatever the case.

heh heh heh.

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..that like crying Uncle?

Its pretty clear to me that it is all fine when you are doing bad things when I'm not around..dragging me into your fictive online screen life and all but the minute I show up and give you some of your own medicine...

cry uncle.

Sorry. No dice.

Put your money where your mouth is.

I invite you to Islam as always. It would thrill me to no end to see someone actually do the right thing instead of just pretend.

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..if you would like to submit your questions to me one by one, in an organized fashion without insulting me to smithereens I'd be more than happy to indulge whatever question you have.

But it appears you don't have questions do you now Rhiannon.

You know everything there is to know about Islam and taken great pains to show everyone how knowledgable you are in my absence.

Figure this out would you?

Be civil and I will be civil. Be fair and I'm more than fair. Be honest and listen to what I'm saying for a change instead of rushing to conclusions.

Which is all you've ever done including calling me a troll and a plant. A fake.

Beats me what makes girls like you tick. I guess it is just the way people are and you are that way and I am this way.

Honest to a fault.

From the diatribe that MP has put out here against Rhiannon, it would seem that he/she is deliberately trying to turn people away from Islam.
I wonder if this man or woman, who sometimes claims to be a Muslim and sometimes not and sometimes considers himself/herself to be a "notable academic and a poet" etc. (self praising), by the way it is called Fakhr in Arabic (arrogance), has a certain agenda such as perhaps making Islam and Muslims look like a confused religion and people.

The stuff he/she puts out comes right out of MEMRI. (Middle East Media Research Institute is a zionist outfit that sends fabricated material to Neo-cons and their supporters in USA and Europe to foment Islamophobia)
I expect he/she will respond with a long diatribe against my comments.

THEIR FILTH ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONALITIES.

"Put your money where your mouth is.

I invite you to Islam as always. It would thrill me to no end to see someone actually do the right thing instead of just pretend."

It would please me for the likes of you to understand my blog and posts. But instead, again, you answer with snotty, flip, pat answers.

Tell everyone here why you think zionism isn't that big of a deal. Tell everyone here why we should leave the jews alone and stop attacking them. Tell everyone here why you are a shia but not a Muslim. You are actually neither, and by my estimation of common decency you are an apostate playing games on this website as ALL such apostates and zionists love to do.

I asked you about Al Qaeda because you said they were infiltrating Lebanon.

But you never answered.

You can't because you know NOTHING. OR you are here to play games.

Please. Explain about what I requested above.

Rise to the challenge MP! Don't be such a coward!

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about Al Qaeda?

You think those are Americans and Jews blowing up their cars in Shia veggie stands Rhiannon?

Come on now.

Yes. They may be exploited by the US and Zionists but that is their own fault don't you think? When someone tells you to jump off a cliff...do you jump? Old addage but it is linked to the Islamic notion of not following every whispering devil that crosses your path.

I suggest you pay attention to that advice in the future and check your facts.

I'm very very good at facts. I've done ALOT more reading that most people here and for that matter, most Shia in South Lebanon who are unable to digest things like the Nahj al Balagha. Or the Kitab al Irshad. They know their facts from oral histories given at funerals and Ashura celebrations...historical stories which have been handed down for CENTURIES.

I assure you...most of the muslims here don't know much about it but that doesn't make them any less muslim than me or me more muslim than them.

It just makes me able to explain if people are just willing to put down their handguns and listen to a thing or two.

And yes...Allah stated QUITE clearly that Islam is superior to all religions.

Found it yet Rhiannon?

It is similar to the blog entry in which I explained about the LIE of the crucifiction...it is in black and white and read every day. Some muslims just don't pay very close attention.

I do. It's my life. And your insulting ways are only going to get you more of the same. I have no obligation to a person who insults me and anyone who defends that is a sick person who likes to believe that supporting abuse like yours is right...when it is a muslim then I say:

shame on you.

But you are getting a chance here. I'm willing to let you off the hook. But only once and then its up to me how often I show off your ignorance and my knowledge because it is clear that you are quite ignorant of the book.

All you have to do is skim her ambiguous tales of junk and spew. Every now and then she will throw us an "anti-zionist" bone, to pacify us. But watch.

Then she says something so stupid, so pathetic, and so wasteful on this forum about what SHE thinks she knows about Islam, Nasrallah, and zionism.

To me this is just a bunch of zio-fairytales.

If MP wants to be treated with respect and have her "knowledge" reveled here, she should act accordingly!

She hasn't, as far as I am concerned. She's wasting our time with her games.

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61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and His Messenger Muhammad) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur’an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)

Perhaps because you are not a muslim Rhiannon..you hate it.

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..and painful thing for someone like you Rhiannon is that the Quran defines you in a nutshell.

Right there above. You cannot see it perhaps...

Right there.

Now...if it were me and I was a non muslim..and I was reading this...I'd give that passage from the Quran a quick look.

Just in case you are in a group that is very confused about who said what and to whom.

By your standard of impulsive and insolent behaviour past and present, you cannot get past your pompous self to even make a decent point.

You said nothing about Al Qaeda that I don't know about. ZERO.

As for the people of South Lebanon, they have way too much going on in their lives and to have someone like yourself to speak for them and about them.....well I will say this:

They are not you and you are not them, those people of South Lebanon. THANK GOD!

Salaams on you, whatever the case, and other assorted hollow sign offs.......

something YOU ARE good at.

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my dear provacateur. Sleep well. Don't let the bed bugs bite and look up Muwaiya and find out how he too used a Quran to exploit the muslims.

Yer just like him.

peace on those that deserve it...and it isn't me that said that..it is Ali abi Taleb (pbuh) but you wouldn't know about all of that.

Fadak or no Fadak Rhiannon. Fadak or no Fadak.

THIS COMMENT IS INTENDED TO THE WEBMASTERS

"I challenge the whole world to bring forward one speech given by Hezbollah or any of its official representatives using sectarian or denominational language. Others resort to sectarian language. We do not. We are believers, we have our ideology and we are proud of that as are all people who believe in an ideology. We are however neither sectarian nor denominational.."

I can give you at least two sectarian speaches made by Sayyed Nasrallah (by mail). One is in an article, the other is during a rally.

Whenever you want.

Send me an email….

Here is the speech in Arabic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAH-oHDsNHI

Here is another link : www.geopolice.wordpress.com

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..there you go. Now then. Perhaps our resident scholar (Rhiannon) can tell us what taqiyya means, why it is used, etc.

Next she can explain to us this grave difference between the two South Lebanon movements (Amal and Hizb) and sort out the leadership of same. Hopefully she can comment as well on the disappearance of Musa al Sadr and Hezbollah's refusal to accept Muammar Qadaafi's participation in the Arab summmit a few years ago. Hmm.

She might also have a link to some information in which Qadaafi is reported to have urged the umma to reunite with the Shia way of thinking..."get back to the grass roots" so to speak. Wasn't much reported on in the Western press or on Memri (one of her favorite sites I'll bet) but I assure you, it set the Arab presses on fire. Imagine that! Muammar Qadaafi..the much hated (by ALL Shia of Southern Lebanon because of their linkage to the founder of the Shia party in Lebanon (Musa al Sadr) actually going on record to tell muslims that the Shia are right and if muslims get back to that..the sky's the limit. I consider that a pretty major statement.

It gets a bit tricky when you get into the political aspects of Amal however and Nabih Berri's new found linkage to Hizb. It has only been five or six years since they started allowing billboards to be put up in which Nabih Berri is pictured alongside Sayyed Nasrallah.

I have to wonder Rhiannon...why on earth does he wear that crazy black hat? Maybe you can explain that title to us all:

Sayyed.

Then maybe you can explain how the Jews are no longer Sayyeds and that is what has got their goat....as much so as it has the goat of the Sunni theologians who are also a bit out of the loop of "Sayyed" connections of the Ahlul Bayt.

What fun!

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From her diatribe:

"90% of shias and sunnis hardly give a damn about their sectarian leanings and treat the divisions with subtlety. However that fanatical idiots such as yourself are definitely NOT MUSLIM actually BELONG to the HOUSE OF HORRORS that is ZIONISM."

Mind providing a source on that one Rhiannon? Hard to believe that in countries where censuses are not even taken that they are actually conducting reliable opinion polls now hahaha. One of the reasons for not conducting census counts is because it disturbs the centuries long and delicate balance between two diametrically opposed groups in Islam, the Shia and the Sunni. No one WANTS to know..until now of course.

My experience just on this board tells me that muslims are HIGHLY concerned about their sectarian issues and hope for me to abandon mine.

How about that. Happens all the time when you hang out with people not like oneself and in this case...it happens to Shia that when they talk, Sunnis tell them to shut up. And that hasn't happened once to me here but several times. Even the peace loving Sufis get in on the action. You'd think that they weren't involved (not) but it appears they are not only involved but they declare allegiance to sects.

Logic is logic. That's what makes the truth undefeatable Rhiannon.

As far as your nauseating use of Nasrallah's son in this excerpt from the Days and Nights of Molly Dodd....well.
It reminds me of being told to go and get run over by a bulldozer to prove my worth.."to pull a Rachel Corrie". Imagine that.

I don't have to die and in fact..we don't want to die in order to prove what we say. We just end up dying because there are so many misguided religionists in the world...most of them of the armchair variety who don't pray, don't fast, don't believe in the Haj and don't tell anyone the truth about certain things found in the Quran like that part where Allah states quite clearly that Islam is superior to all religions.

Personally..I don't mind dying but as is the case I have people who depend on me so I guess I just have to avoid death and hardship over here in the US so I can spread my evil intentions abroad.

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...I invented the divide between muslims (according to our resident Islamic scholar, Miss Rhiannon). Wow. I am pretty amazing you see...invented a whole story too about that crazy bit of property known as Fadak.

I can hardly wait to get into Rhiannon's interpretation of that statement, Fadak or no Fadak. I guess you can say it is like "six of one and half a dozen of the other" types of rhetorical arguments (to keep it simple for our nonmuslim hostess who hopes to teach me my religion all over again.

Since I cannot wait for her to pick up on my bread crumb trails...I'll give her a link to that notable historical parable in the lives of the Ahlul Bayt:

http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/ahl/fatimah/a-short-history.htm

I am not only out of your league Rhiannon on these issues but I am quite ornery when provoked. Shia tend to be that way and are instructed to not give up when they have the upper hand you know.

It's that thing I mentioned to you and a few others several weeks ago about the nonsensical non logic of INSISTING one is WRONG. Why on earth would a person do such a thing! And no one who is right will ever take sides with someone who is wrong...that is exactly why Nasrallah does not "join" the other sects and politicians in Lebanon and he makes it quite clear.

Ask the recently awakened goyim...I think that Rip Van Winkle just posted a blog entry citing Nasrallah's recent comments regarding the participation of Hizb in Lebanese politics and the need for them to keep to themselves and avoid associating with those who are not only misguided but completely traitorous to their own army and country.

http://www.dci-pal.org/english/publ/research/2006/sustained.pdf
I will borrow Masher’s good book and his words from another thread:

so that you may SHUT YOUR YAP and learn about what really matters. And not about spouting on about illusional divisions of Islam which you hold so dearly to your fat, apostate bosom.

Have your Quran close by. Oh, I forgot, you are not a Muslim, but you are a “Shia”. Talk about hypocrisy. Talk about Taqiyya. South Lebanon must put you on a platform for entertainment. The young ones need a good laugh. So do the elderly.

As for Taqiyya, YOU ARE FULL OF IT, MP, Just full of Taqiyya. Crackpots like yourself thrive on taqiyya. It’s all around you and in everything you say.

As far as my posts and blogs are concerned: my aim is true. I am sure a crackpot Zionist such as yourself shudders at my posts, as I refuted all your claims about Islam being superior over other faiths. My Mrs. Robinson Blog has all the information you need.

You are only here to create divisions between Christians and Muslims, and between Muslims themselves. That is why you are here.

Oh shoot, I keep forgetting! you are a zionist "shia" not a Muslim. You are not standing with Nasrallah. You think that link from gumbaster was a "great link"?

That's proof?

Pure junk. Nothing in there.

As for the video it taints the image of Nasrallah.

You keep showing your ugly dark soul, mp. I am having fun allowing you to show your true stupid self. You just keep it up.

that is, my bringing up Nasrallah's son fighting against the israeli cowards, so this nauseated you. Why does Nasrallah's young son's death turn you so green and sour? I thought you loved your Hassan Nasrallah!

I suppose such bravery by Nasrallah's son against zionist cowards and bullies - [like yourself] - does in fact NAUSEATE zionists.

Zionists can't stand BRAVERY and COURAGE in others. They love to hog it for themselves, hence their MEDIA.

Thank YOU. You keep showing who you really are.

What you do is fail to illuminate the content of my posts. You leave out the HEART and SOUL of my posts and instead, you toss a few chipped bones of the post and petulantly change the meaning of that post - to suit your needs, of course.

Zionists do that.

As for your posts, I do not have to change anything. I just have to shine a spotlight and the cockroaches are scampering all over your posts.

You have as much warmth and love [in your posts] as Nurse Ratshit.

Im from south lebanon and Shia'ism is no new religion,creed or faith. It is nothing but the original-Islam in its original purity.It is the very same faith which was preached and practised by the Holy Prophet without anything added to or subtracted of it. and whats with the name calling?ladies

thats not proof,not even his voice just his pic.nice try buddy

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Salaams

...I haven't really called this woman any names. Pretty much...I think she is talking about things she doesn't know much about. She doesn't realize there is a classical debate regarding the issue, she doesn't know the points of that debate but has taken a standpoint which is hostile to me, not to the issue itself...she doesn't know the issue. It is obvious to someone who does. As you probably know (since you are a shia), there are several points on which a person can argue and it is not a simple task to participate in that debate (as she thinks). Once again....people may love Islam and/or muslims but when it comes to non Arabs/Persians..they assume that they can just step into the battle and arrogantly shout down the more experienced debaters. It is typical arrogance of a Western variety.

I have given her some terms to investigate on her own...let's see if she can at least prepare meaningful statements and/or questions without simply resorting to ad homs and nonsense.

She should try to formulate an actual thesis and a question series but that is pretty much impossible in my experience if someone approaches it with the types of biases she has and some of those biases have actually been formed by the non shia on this board FOR her. Prior to my participation and it is really hard to unlearn bad debate habits like hers.

Perhaps you can help her in that if you understand the classical arguments involved in the split which occurred at the moment the Messenger (SA) died.

She should also be informed that in order for her statements to be held in esteem she should also start using the proper terms when using the names of prophets, the Ahlul Bayt, the Companions, the Ansar, etc. In other words...we just don't throw names around without showing them respect and she should too in order to show how she holds these figures in such high esteem.

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Lesson Number ?

I am not practicing Taqiyya. Oops Rhiannon..your mistake.

Shia USUALLY DO PRACTICE it in the presence of Sunnis who they try to avoid provoking.

If I was practicing "taqiyya" Rhiannon...which is also called "dissimulation" then I would say there isn't a problem..everything is just fine and dandy. So that Sunnis and Sufis on this board would not be hurt, alarmed or forced to choose something they are not intellectually prepared to understand or choose at this point in time.

The reason I believe this is the proper action is because the sectarian issue is no longer a private family (umma) matter but one that is being discussed at the highest levels of ALL governments regardless of their stance on religion. It is all quite out in the open now so it is ludicrous for me to pretend that if I don't say it to people..it won't be known about.

I assure you dear student...everyone is well aware now that there is a HUGE problem in the superior religion of Islam.

So you must be careful. I am not baiting you but you (Rhiannon) are certainly a person who is able to choose just about every wrong turn available in this classical debate in Islam.

Gumbamaster, you posted a youtube site to prove that Nasrallah preached sectarianism. I listened to it… and it seems that you either are not very familiar with Nasrallah or you were counting on the fact that most people on this blog do not understand Arabic and most importantly don’t know Nasrallah’s voice. The picture on the first the site you posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAH-oHDsNHI is indeed Nasrallah's, but the voice has nothing to do with Nasrallah’s. This is a fake upload. So… it really isn’t very cool of you to refer this blog to a forgery.

As for the other link you posted, none of the material is Nasrallah’s. It is a compilation of Western interpretations of Hezbollah ideology and Nasrallah thoughts and objectives… and excuse me for questioning Western “interpretations” of Arab politics. Basically, you didn’t manage Gumbamaster to offer any evidence of Nasrallah sectarian or denominational so-called talk… and the reason is simple: there is none… except in manipulative Zionist media aiming to pin blame where there is none… as was the case with Iraq and the non-existing WMD.

As for you Maggie…, your appreciation for Gumbamaster’s links, only proves that you are a double faced person. For someone who lived in Lebanon for so long, it sure is strange that you didn’t even realize that this wasn’t Nasrallah’s voice…; or did you realize Ms. "Potter" but preferred to pretend along? Either way, your integrity is discredited.

Maggie claims to be pro-Lebanese and Hezbollah… and then says… and I quote: “I am back in the sunny US of A”. Maggie, if you really empathized with the Lebanese, you certainly wouldn’t be speaking of the “sunny US of A” because the Lebanese really remember the US for having financed last year a huge war against them, blocked a seize-fire and allowed Israel unnecessarily the time to drop 3 million cluster bombs over their country. You should probably stay in your sunny US of A… and in fact, I strongly advise you to do so now that you have shown your true face.

You see Maggie Potter, what you are doing is not misunderstanding or misjudging Nasrallah; you are trying to maliciously denigrate, smear and defame him… and that is what the Zionist enemy does. No Arabs… Christians or Muslims (unless they are known provocateur Israeli or US agents) speak about Nasrallah the way you are. Nasrallah is a very respected man even by his worse enemies. I am a Sunni Muslim and an admirer of Nasrallah… I hear everything he says… and I challenge you to post here what you claim Nasrallah says that is derogatory to Sunnis… or for that matter anything sectarian or denominational as you are actually implying in order to smear the man. And please try to elevate your intellectual level by differentiating between political and religious issues and between Arab countries or leaders and Muslims in general. Since you are such a wiz, please post the material you so confidently refer to.

You are well informed about Lebanon Maggie… and that doesn’t speak well for you at this stage. As I said before, if I were you, I’d stay in the sunny US of A. A Shia called Maggie Potter…lol… Shia or Sunni, I frankly don’t know any Muslim women who behave with such little dignity as you do. Have a little self respect Maggie. Take a Xanax and spare us your hysteria.

As for your quoting of the Quran Maggie, try to do so properly:

61/9

It is He Who has sent
His Apostle with Guidance
And the Religion of Truth,
That he may proclaim it
Over all religion,
Even though the Pagans
May detest (it).

“Over all religion”: in the singular: not over all other religions, in the plural. There is really only one true Religion, the Message of God, submission to the Will of God: this is called Islam. It was the religion preached by Moses and Jesus; it was the religion of Abraham, Noah, and the prophets, by whatever name it may be called. If people corrupt that pure light and call their religions by different names, we must bear them, and we may allow the names for convenience. But Truth must prevail over all.

The Holy Quran
Text, Translation and commentary
A.Yusuf Ali
Dar al Arabia
Beirut, Lebanon.
Copyrighted 1968 by Khalik Al Rawaf

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Miss, Cherifa is it? I didn't say that. You have literally taken your friend Rhiannon's crazed and hostile rhetoric and plugged in your own meanings...like so many people tend to do. I suggest you re read what I have said.

Perhaps you missed the documentary evidence of my past which is published on the internet as well as elsewhere.

Nasrallah has been accused of sending Shia into Sunni areas in order to convert them....his response was that all he had to do was tell the Shia to go home and make more babies in order to increase the number of "born" Shias. In any event, one cannot convert to Shi'ism as it is not a religion, it is an approach to Islam that is well documented and you as well as your friend are equally ignorant regardless of your surname.

Let me know when you've completed a few of the texts which need to be read in order to understand where we as Shia come from. I take it that you are also not a Shia, you do not claim to be one and you really have no right nor do you have any valuable insight to offer to a person like me (or Joe maybe) to tell us what our point of view IS or OUGHT to be.

Enta meen habibti?

And although this site has been an interesting foray into the world of Jew Haters Consolidated....it is indicative of who you are and what you stand for as well as Rhiannon.

Perhaps neither one of you are aware of Nasrallah's complimenting the Israeli people on their ability to perform a public inquiry into the actions of Mr. Olmert last year when his own Sunni compatriots (Fouad Siniora and Abu Baha Hariri, both Sunnis and both aligned with US interests in the Levant (Hariri with Saudi interests as well) have done no such thing and instead have invited the UN into Lebanon to literally select government representatives, establish courts and imprison just about whomever the UN chooses. If you for one minute think that Nasrallah says nice things about those two buffoons in the press then you are both liars and possibly in the case of Rhiannon...she is your troll here on this board.

If either of you have something LEGITIMATE to say regarding these issues, let me know. Otherwise Ms. Cherifa you are not only not one of us but you aren't even one of them.

Thanks anyway for your much over rated opinions (token muslim I suppose).

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...did not trust the army ladies. That would be, Fouad Siniora and Abu Baha himself (the perpetually stoned and drunk son of assassinated leader Rafik Hariri).

"In the second part of his interview with Al-Jazeera satellite channel, Hizbullah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Hizbullah and the Amal Movement were the parties which demanded that the army be deployed in south Lebanon during the war last summer, while the ruling bloc only sought to deploy international forces under chapter seven of the UN charter, "because they do not trust our national army.""

Perhaps you do not understand the manners of Lebanese political speeches and for sure you do not appreciate Shi'i "quietude" in terms of referring to others who have not only sectarian (Sunni Gulf States and Monarchies) agendas in the region but personal ones as well. Hariri is a puppet of the Saudi Regime as was his father. His father of course was a much better man than the son and everyone knows that.

Fifty percent of the foreign fighters in Iraq who have been captured by US forces are SAUDI SUNNI FUNDAMENTALISTS ladies.

The proof is in the pudding.

It does not mean that Shi'i hate Sunnis but then again...you two aren't mind readers let alone readers of actual historical texts.

Nasrallah stands up for his Sunni brothers in Palestine but that has nothing to do with THEIR good behavior.

It has to do with HIS.

Ours.

You both tend to confabulate those two things.

In Rhiannon's case...well who is she to complain....until of course she accepts Islam her word is pretty much sawdust if you ask me. It is a kind of hypocrisy..if she believes so strongly in Islam then why isn't she on her knees five times a day and showing how much she cares then? I must wonder about that type of person you know.

You Cherifa...well I don't know you personally and you don't know me. I have no idea how you seem to think it is justified to accuse me of things which you do not know about me. Even though I have provided ample evidence of who I am.

Do you not know that in Islam suspicion such as this is not recommended?

Neither of course...is spying on one another.

I think you need to reflect on that before taking me to task with your own misconstructions and reconstructions of things I have related here.

Don't follow every shaitan you know. It is good advice and Allah is the best witness.

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...did not trust the army ladies. That would be, Fouad Siniora and Abu Baha himself (the perpetually stoned and drunk son of assassinated leader Rafik Hariri).

"In the second part of his interview with Al-Jazeera satellite channel, Hizbullah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Hizbullah and the Amal Movement were the parties which demanded that the army be deployed in south Lebanon during the war last summer, while the ruling bloc only sought to deploy international forces under chapter seven of the UN charter, "because they do not trust our national army.""

http://www.moqawama.org/english/_dailynews.php?filename=20070724101753

Perhaps you do not understand the manners of Lebanese political speeches and for sure you do not appreciate Shi'i "quietude" in terms of referring to others who have not only sectarian (Sunni Gulf States and Monarchies) agendas in the region but personal ones as well. Hariri is a puppet of the Saudi Regime as was his father. His father of course was a much better man than the son and everyone knows that.

Fifty percent of the foreign fighters in Iraq who have been captured by US forces are SAUDI SUNNI FUNDAMENTALISTS ladies.

The proof is in the pudding.

It does not mean that Shi'i hate Sunnis but then again...you two aren't mind readers let alone readers of actual historical texts.

Nasrallah stands up for his Sunni brothers in Palestine but that has nothing to do with THEIR good behavior.

It has to do with HIS.

Ours.

You both tend to confabulate those two things.

In Rhiannon's case...well who is she to complain....until of course she accepts Islam her word is pretty much sawdust if you ask me. It is a kind of hypocrisy..if she believes so strongly in Islam then why isn't she on her knees five times a day and showing how much she cares then? I must wonder about that type of person you know.

You Cherifa...well I don't know you personally and you don't know me. I have no idea how you seem to think it is justified to accuse me of things which you do not know about me. Even though I have provided ample evidence of who I am.

Do you not know that in Islam suspicion such as this is not recommended?

Neither of course...is spying on one another.

I think you need to reflect on that before taking me to task with your own misconstructions and reconstructions of things I have related here.

Don't follow every shaitan you know. It is good advice and Allah is the best witness.

If "one cannot convert to Shi'ism as it is not a religion . . . "

then how may I ask did you "become" one???

Moreover, if "it is an approach to Islam that is well documented . . ."

Then why can't a person "convert to it" by embracing that approach???

Finally, "inty meen ya habibti" to speak to people as if you know it all?

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"Money" has no value - people do.

Thank you for your precious advice Maggie. It will undoubtadly change my life… not that you answered my points.

Enti ele meen ya helwa?

I’ve already said earlier what I have to say… and it is quite obvious that you plainly are not one of us on any kind of level. Like I said before, think twice Maggie before returning to Lebanon... from your sunny US of A.

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..really now. Are you sure you and Rhiannon are not the same person?

Here you go...you call up my family in Haris: 0119613927545 and tell them I won't be returning because I am not loyal to Nasrallah.

It might give them a bit of a scare but then they'll be laughing out loud.

If you only knew.

So since you've taken me to task..tell me a bit about yourself. Are you from Pakistan Ms. Sirry?

It is always helpful to know about an antagonists culture as well as their religion. That way I know which kind of bigotry you are practicing.

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..to answer your idiotic question.

Is Al Qaeda in Lebanon?

Oh..of course not. Those Saudis that have been killed in Nahar al Barid are just impersonating muslims.

They are actually Jews and US soldiers.

Give me a break.

Of course they have infiltrated Lebanon.

Are you that blind? Or are you one of those people that thinks US soldiers and Jews are blowing themselves up in Shia markets in Iraq "just to prove" that Al Qaeda exists.

How ludicrous. And how very anti Shia.

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If "one cannot convert to Shi'ism as it is not a religion . . . "

then how may I ask did you "become" one???

Moreover, if "it is an approach to Islam that is well documented . . ."

Then why can't a person "convert to it" by embracing that approach???

Finally, "inty meen ya habibti" to speak to people as if you know it all?

Not at all qrs. I'm rather surprised that such lovers of Nasrallah's speeches do not recognize the famous phrase. It is his but perhaps Ms. Sirry didn't realize that. I would have suspected as much.

It relates to a passage in the Quran in which the prophet (SA) challenged certain antagonists by arranging to meet them the next day and asked them to come accompanied by their "close" relatives in order to settle a dispute. They arrived with all sorts of people but the prophet arrived only with his Ahlul Bayt i.e. Hadrat Fatima, Ali abi Taleb and their two sons Hassan and Hossein (peace and blessing upon them all).

When Nasrallah uses it, he is referring not only the family members of the likes of Druze leaders like Jumblatt but those of Hariri and any other anti Hezbollah/pro US government officials in the Lebanese government...he is referring to their family of "patrons" who are all the people you folks here so love to despise. I despise them as well but suffice it to say...I think it highly unbecoming of actual muslims to be so outrageously hateful towards Jews as a whole and treat them with any more or less disdain with other folks. Why assign to them that sort of power you know.

But "enta meen" (and in her case...it would actually be "enti" because Ms. Sirry is of the female persuasion) is a famous "calling out" of familial, political and tribal ties.

One doesn't "become" a Shia. One is typically born into a Shia family and they do not ever change sides in any numbers to speak of. Or...one can read about the core problem between the two sects and depending upon their educated opinion..one makes that choice depending on what they believe to be the actual Will of Allah and his order to the prophet when deputizing Ali abi Taleb (pbuh) to the role of Khalifa. Much the same way as Haroon (Aaron in the Bible and pbuh) was deputized to stand in for Musa (Moses, SA) when Musa traveled to the mount to obtain the "commandments" i.e. the Mosaic Law which is actually not ten commandments but more like 613.

When one understands the gravity of what occured at the point of the death of Mohamed SA, our beloved prophet and the last prophet of all time...one makes a choice and hopefully..they make the right one and are certain of it.

Most muslims are not that knowledgable about it unless they originate from the Middle East however. They will be though in the future..I assure you.

Iraq and matters there are dictating it.

Not me.

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..means the immediate household of the prophet.

Sayeed Nasrallah....is actually a member of the family of the prophet. He is a Shia because he was born one and like I said..there is no reason (as Ali abi Taleb) once explained a muslim should ever exchange a "lie for the truth".

Sunnis do change camps though but not necessarily due to their longings of religious allegiance to one side or the other. They most often change sides on paper because it gives their daughter's better inheritence privelegdes.

If you don't believe me then go ask a Sunni what their daughter's are entitled to. It has much to do with the inheritance of Fadak to the prophet's only living offspring at the time of his death (Fatima, pbuh) in which the first three "wayward" Caliphs (the forefathers of Sunni Islam) cheated her of her rightful property. Hence, women's property rights in Shia Islam are much more desirable than Sunni ones and Sunnis in liberal states such as Lebanon change sects. In those countries..people not only have to abide by their civil laws but they also must abide by the sectarian ones as well..even the Christians in Lebanon have to request permission to be married from their bishops and whatnots.

I am an American Shia who recognized that I was one when I read about the problem. I said...there you go. THAT was what was missing from my understanding of Islam.

I assure you..it is exactly what is missing from ALOT of muslims understanding of their Islam.

And it is why Nasrallah and Hizb are successful...i.e. they know all about it and it is what makes a Shia a Shia.

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..you have stood by and allowed this person to libel me, insult me and basically assassinate my character even though I have provided direct proof of my existence.

I come back from a vacation in ?hell (Lebanon is truly miserable right now..no one can plan their future and it is truly hard for someone like me who can get out to cope with that decision)...to find this "person" and her friend Ms. Sirry lambasting me once again when I basically let it go back when she started this nonsense.

You just stood by and let it happen and didn't say a thing about it even though I am rather convinced that you saw my work on line and realize that I must have really gone to some extremes to play this "internet" occulted Jew (in Leftfield's famous words) and overthrow your kingdom and spread my pro Zionist attitudes.

How dare these people do this and how dare you allow it and consider it incumbent on me to respect this message board's policies of "being nice" to all the other Jew Haters. And that is what this is..no more and no less. I assure you there is more evil in the world than just their type. There is THIS TYPE right here in front of your very nose.

And no offense...but this isn't blogging. This is a message board. I think if you want to make it into a blog then you must keep the comments section under the control of the blogger. And that is your choice.

I appreciate it either way for what it is to me and that is a means for telling people the TRUTH for a change instead of "pretending" Islam is something else.

It isn't and it doesn't sit well with most non muslims. But that is because they don't understand it. Like Ms. Rhiannon up there...she thinks she can take phrases out of context from the Quran without understanding either their import NOW or their context THEN.

Like the famous "enta meen" which Nasrallah is famous for. As well as his "zoom in and zoom out" which he used to describe the media practice of making the anti Hizb demonstrations look larger on TV than they actually were.

And I'll leave you with one of my best poems in order to demonstrate how much I appreciate that sort of thinking:

http://carmenisacat.blogspot.com/2006/01/zoom-in-zoom-out-what-does-that...

BEIRUT ASSASSIN LEAVES MARK

The cocks were storm-crowing that morning
after a real long spell of total
environmental darkness. Two broughams sped by.

(In the land of the prophets
the angels talk out-loud,
people pretend not to notice.
Here it is the status quo.)

All the clocks whirred with quick sighs.
At sunset the clouds were full of the dust.
On the sand hundreds of lovers were kissing
out in the open. Everyone was buying
flowers and the coffee carts were brimming
with hot fluids and stale remedies to the skies.

Then everything just stopped. Windows fell
apart and people ran home, started looking.
Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out.
I felt around for my watch to note the time.
School was letting out and I compared JFK,
that unholy day to this one. Must have been similar.

Shapely forms felt their way toward the horizons
and the same herd of goats crossed my path twice.
No more luck, no more money, no more beadsmen.
The predictions are always keen to usurp everyone
and the last unlucky man born will tremble
near a pitcher of water and a set of lost keys.
This benediction quieted all the kinfolk
and the rich slept closer to their quarters
but it does take some time, perhaps forever.
The poor remain indifferent.

One man was found two weeks later in the rubble,
pointing in one direction, holding his cell.
No one called out the dogs because it is said
the canines ate the corpses in Sabra and Shatilla.

I wonder.. to whom was he speaking,
where was he pointing?

I (and maybe others who commented here) are not outraged at Jews Maggie, we are outraged at you. If you are Jewish…, this is another matter. It is astonishing that instead of your seeing the bigger political picture, you conclude that all our comments are basically revolving around “Jew haters”. How small minded of you… and I am sorry to say that it also is rather suspicious. This post on which we are commenting is about Hassan Nasrallah. How an earth did you manage to turn the issues around to be about the Jews?? Excuse me…, but you are sounding like the Zionist lobby that manages to convert and shift any political debate that is not exactly in its favor to becoming a debate about the Jews and how they are "victimized" by us "oger" Muslims or Arabs. The debate in this post is about Nasrallah… not about the Jews. We are not in the ADL here and this isn’t Fox News.

I perfectly well recognize Nasrallah’s words. I just added my touch to the question I asked you. I didn’t frankly realize that I had to “confirm” to you my understanding of anything:)

As to where I am from, it is no secret. Read my postings.

You misquoted the Quran (or used a bad translation)…,… then worse… you added your touches to the words which had nothing to do with what the Quran was saying. I don’t like religious discussions…, but I don’t appreciate misquotes or wrong interpretations of Islam especially in this day and age where there is a conscious media effort to denigrate Islam simply in order to justify the Bush/Zioncon/industrial war on “terror”. Regardless of if one is religious or not, do you think that Islam and Muslims need more smearing now from people who claim being Muslims or against the Zioncon agenda? Don’t you think that what western media has already done to Islam and to the Arab/Islamic world is more than enough?

As I said, you are well informed on Lebanon, but so are Gaegae and Feltman…and so was Chalabi in Iraq. Your own words are your worse enemy and it is they who put your “character” into question.

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...Ms. Sirry is it? By the way..if you address me, my name is Porter not Potter and it is customary to use the proper address such as Ms. or Mrs.

Secondly...I had and have very little to say about Nasrallah's speeches. What I am responding to is Ms. Rhiannon's complete obsession with me.

Maybe you missed that part.

She thinks I am a Jewish spy.

I suppose you think that is okay to have someone libel you but I personally hold higher standards for myself and don't allow maniacs like her to do this. I realize you don't think she is maniacal in this and that speaks volumes about your values.

When your values improve, you let me know. Until then I suggest you refrain from addressing me at all because that will only further your association with her maniacal and obsessed behavior.

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...about misquoting the Quran or as you have changed your wording..using a bad translation.

Ahem.

So. You are a muslim who doesn't hold that Islam is superior to other religions then eh?

Why on earth then do you remain one?

My translation and ALL the translations of that particular aya Ms. Sirry, are equivalent.

Your take on it however is what is at odds and that is because perhaps you aren't really as convinced as someone like me.

Or heh....Nasrallah.

Peace on those that deserve it.