Fred is good:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bsregistration
Genghis is good:
http://www.youtube.com/user/genghis6199

but when you get onto 911Researchers (Rick Seigel's site) or 911InsideJobbers (Rosalee Grable's yahoo list) you find an incredible amount of total bull.

I know that I could never prove it to some people (especially on this sight) that I am not a disinfo agent, but if it's any help, I'll admit I find this all very confusing, and that I change my mind every 15 minutes or so.

You're not a disinformationalist, it's just confusing. I've been through exactly the same process of confusion. What he needs to do with that video is show an aerial-view map/diagram depicting N, S, E and W and the direction of travel of the plane as it approaches the tower, at the same time as each clip, with each map/diagram-with-incoming-plane corresponding to it's piece of footage.

RowanBerkely, you came to WUFYS ready to kick intellectual ass and take 'kindergartener's' names! Now you're not sure, and change your mind every 15 minutes!?? By the kind grace and courtesy of our hostess, Qrswave, WUFYS is my home for "truth". As such, ( until I leave or am booted out ) I intend to leave as light of a ' footprint ' on the net as possible, due to the sensitive nature of truthseeking in these times we live. I will not register to any sites from this one. As it was in Viet Nam; sometimes it's better ( healthier ) to cut jungle than to take the path already made ( booby traps you know. ) Don't be offended.. I like you, I just don't trust you. May all of your future be filled with making the right choices. To borrow from a favorite movie of mine " what we do in life : echoes in eternity." Peace to you.

i dont see the relationship to the thread, but by all means don't trust me.

I second that Bishop

RowanBerkely, you came to WUFYS ready to kick intellectual ass and take 'kindergartener's' names! Now you're not sure, and change your mind every 15 minutes!??

You do realise that this blog was written by Christopher Marlowe and not Rowan Berkeley, don't you DB?

I know that I could never prove it to some people (especially on this sight) that I am not a disinfo agent, but if it's any help, I'll admit I find this all very confusing, and that I change my mind every 15 minutes or so.

that's another fine mess I've gotten myself into..who the hell is Christopher Marlowe? Well RowanBerkeley, I guess I owe you an apology, sir. Kinda the shits to be wrong..but I was about the quote CoZ had to copy right below your name...lol. Maybe Piper's right they're putting something in the WATER!! And I need to get to bed earlier. But it's still O.K. if I don't trust you, right? Peace, dudes.( and dudettes )

trust your senses DB.

I believe your inner sense's fired of, and I know why.

RB flip flops and does standard hazbarah tactics.

Remember, dis-informers and side-trackers ABOUND, for the real cause of mocking the Truth movement.

Blame it all on capitalism; that's the jest of RB's statements. When we know they (zionist/Judahic/talmudizers), are the creators of 'capitalism' and 'communism'.

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own
Messiah. It will attain world domination by THE DISSOLUTION OF
OTHER RACES...AND BY THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A WORLD REPUBLIC IN
WHICH EVERYWHERE THE JEWS WILL EXERCISE THE PRIVILEGE OF
CITIZENSHIP. In this New World Order the Children of
Israel...will furnish all the leaders without encountering
opposition..." (Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in
Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, p. 574)

"If it is 'antiSemitism' to say that communism in the
United States is Jewish, so be it; but to the unprejudiced mind
it will look very much like Americanism. Communism all over the
world, not in Russia only, is Jewish." (Henry Ford Sr., 1922)

"But a study of the racial history of Europe
indicates that there would have been few wars, probably no
major wars, but for the organizing of the Jewish
peacepropagandists to make the nonJews grind themselves to
bits. The supposition is permissible that the Jewish strategists
want peace, AFTER they subjugate all opposition and potential
opposition.
The question is, whose peace or whose wars are we to
"enjoy?" Is man to be free to follow his conscience and worship
his own God, or must he accept the conscience and god of the
Zionists?" (The Ultimate World Order, Robert H. Williams, page
49).

http://www.iahushua.com/JQ/436quote3.html

Hasbara:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hasbara

The manual goes on to describe seven propaganda techniques:

1). Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.

2). Glittering generality: Simply put, glittering generality is name calling in reverse. Instead of trying to attach negative meanings to ideas or people, glittering generalities use positive phrases, which the audience are attached to, in order to lend positive image to things. Words such as "freedom", "civilization",…

3)Transfer: Transfer involves taking some of the prestige and authority of one concept and applying it to another. For example, a speaker might decide to speak in front of a United Nations flag, in an attempt to gain legitimacy for himself or his idea.

4) Testimonial: Testimonial means enlisting the support of somebody admired or famous to endorse and ideal or campaign.

5) Plain folks: The plain folks technique attempts to convince the listener that the speaker is a 'regular guy', who is trust-worthy because the are like 'you or me'.

6)Fear

7)Bandwagon

that letter is *SUPPOSED* to be from Levy to Marx, not from Marx to Levy.

and don't you say, well, I only cut and pasted it, I'm not responsible for any errors!

How many people have comment editing priveleges and who might they be?

Have you noticed any changes in your comments?

please tell me if you do.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

PeaceThroughJustice might be ? I don't see any of his blogs but he makes a weird comment right after RowanBerkeley on Mel Gibstein's blog " The Media Has Sold us Out " Or should I dig a well for water and turn off the city ' tap ' ? Thank you, and have a nice day : )

And the need seems to be that We are just supposed to accept the new MANAGEMENT at face value.

Not this cat....Far too smart for that stun gun to the head.

Peacetroll you are totaly barking up the right tree dude.

This place is in trouble these days. Can you figure why and WHO is at the root of the mess here at our forum?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

I open the WUFYS in the morning to find 13 comments.

Although there doesn't seem to be many comments specifically on the video. Crimes of Zion does make a good point about the need to intercut shots of planes with the map. If you showed the footage that way, it would be a lot easier to make the point.

But I think the video does make it clear that footage is faked in the 4 camera shot. In one shot the SMOKE is going in one direction, a and the PLANE is coming in from another.

Then in another shot, the SMOKE and PLANE are coming from the same direction. That just doesn't seem possible.

The only explanation would be fake footage. But the guy who made the video (BSR) says that he is using the official FOX and CBS footage.

As to the Trust or not to Trust issue: the only one I really trust on this website is QRS, and everyone else to a lesser extent. But I don't always agree with QRS, and that is fair. I think this should be the way to deal with other ideas. I think we should use our own heads and reason things out.

Until yesterday, I used to think Greg Palast was a good journalist, but then after seeing him on that INN clip, and then reading that exchange with Prof. Jones, I smell a rat.

I don't think Palast is being a deliberate liar, but I think he's got a blind side. I think anyone who looks into 911 long enough has to see Israel was involved pretty deeply: Larry Silverstein, Zim, the 5 Israelis arrested and released by Chertoff, the spy ring's proximity to the "hijackers", Urban Moving Systems, Odigo, Amdocs, and Comverse. Looking at Palast in the tape, I could notice that he was in the middle of his spiel and he would get hung up, like he was distracted. I felt that Palast wasn't thinking about what he was saying because he was expecting to deal with the forthcoming question about 911 that he would have to dodge.

Palast couldn't deal with the facts, so he resorted to ad hominem attacks. Then I noticed the first thing he did in his letter was to make Prof. Jones deny that he (Jones) is attacking Israel. Holy Crap! It's so obvious from reading that exchange where Palast's loyalties lie. (and lie and lie)

But to get back to my point, (and I'm sorry for what should have been a comment on RB's blog), Palast has made good journalistic efforts in other areas. But it appears that he has a BLIND SIDE. I noticed with a lot of Jewish people, that blind side tends to involve Israel.

I used to listen to Al Franken on Air America, and I started to notice the same thing: he could not say anything bad about Israel.

I think I can tie this all together: sometimes there are disinformation agents who are deliverately offering up misleading info in order to hide the truth. But I think what we are dealing with most of the time is that people have BLIND SIDES, and cannot be trusted to give a unbiased assessment of something they hold sacred.

Some people will call me anti-semitic for noticing, but there are 13 Jews in the Senate, and 30 Jews in the House. Of course there is not going to be an investigation into 911, because like Palast, they know if they look they are going to find something. It's the same reason I don't want to clean up under my bed.

Sibel Edmonds has been will to testify for 5 years, but Congress won't let her do it. Why? Because she is going to nail a lot of upper eschelon AIPAC spies like Perle (who was already caught spying and never charged.) And you can't have Jewish people continuously caught spying for Israel. People will start to mistrust that darling little country that the mean Arabs are trying to drive into the sea.

I've got a lot more to say, but I feel like I've gone on too long.

"Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."

Marlowe, if you still don't believe the evidence before your own eyes, you will just have to stick your hand into the wound, as one "Doubting Thomas" once did. There are many others who "feel" like you do. I, for one, have always been one of them... and I've never been ashamed to say so in this forum. My own best advice to you, Christopher, and to Christopher Bollyn as well, is to simply forget about "airplanes" hitting the Towers, or the Pentagon. Just Fageddaboudit !

What do you think happened to the planes?

As BSReg seems to imply by his name, only two of the planes were actually deregistered after 911. This is a key fact that many people skip over. One of the registered planes was actually spotted IN USE by a plane spotter after 911.

My take on registration has always been mixed: on the one hand, the FAA is a big organization, and this could be a clerical error; but on the other hand, TWO of the planes, by the government's own records, were not officially used in the attacks.

A point that BSReg makes in another one of his videos is that actually using the planes would make the plot more difficult: they would have to steer the planes to their tagets and hit them. But to argue the other side, you have to take over all the cameras on the sight and slip in these holographs.

And of course, my initial question: what did you do with the planes and the people on them? Did you tell the people on board that you were running a drill, and then have them place calls, or just acquire their voices to use with a computer masking device? Then were the planes ditched into the sea?

"Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."

Planes (Unknown planes) Hit the towers.

The planes THEY said hit the towers was one too long.

One plane THEY said was lost in the WTC crash was seen hauling bodies by a very sharp WATCHER.

Fageddaboudit !?

This is funny? This gay talk is supposed to be funny then eh Quasi?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Marlowe - It appears that you have already covered some basic territory...

To continue, maybe you could let some "passengers" off here...

...and start asking follow-up questions later...

But we need answers NOW, right ? I might simply suggest
at this point that we all stop asking ourselves how they did it, and start asking the PERPETRATORS about how they did it,
and if they don't really want to give us the right ANSWERS,
well, you know how that song is supposed to go, don't you ?

I stand with Steven Jones and his testimony...."the twin towers were brought down with explosives..." We can argue symantics later but for now, I say call for a grand jury investigation against these turkeys ( if they're guilty...turkey would be mild indeed )!We need to work toward 'rounding up the MOST LIKELY suspects' ( Qui Bono )?

"This is a pretty simple and convincing video that shows that the footage shown on 911 was fake."

Christopher, the dude who did this video - and all the others like it that he does - *is* a disinformation agent. The video isn't simple - it's intentionally confusing, did you notice? And it's not convincing, it simply seeks to create doubt and confusion, and then provide a ready-made incorrect conclusion which removes doubt for the viewer.

Watch all of the clips with the motto "the camera doesn't lie" in the back of your mind.

It all starts to make sense if you keep in mind that the smoke in the CBS video is moving south-east, not just east (ie it's not moving only from right to left, it's moving back, away from the camera as well).

at least RowanBerkeley is more of a gentleman. Peace.

Masher1,
Tonight, as I sit down with the intention of going back as far as I am able in my research with regard to S, H & B (all 3, each: collectively and individually)-- with the specific purpose of gleaning more information on their respective starts (or the early portions of their careers, as it were), and/or of benefiting further from the fruits of their labors, &c., I came across this following comment of yours, from a blog posted here on 7Apr07:

"P.S. let me know if you want to hear any of the Early shows of his i have most all of them up to MAR 06'"

I wonder if the offer implied (to share?) remains valid, or if you can direct me to a site where I might d/l old rbn, gcn, &c. files with/by any of them which are unavailable at www.iamthewitness.com, www.erichufschmid.net, &c.? I've found and have only a few, but not much luck yet otherwise. Thanks for letting me know, in any event (agree or disagree, &c.).

I just don't see this proof here, I see the same event recorded at different places and at different angles, but the low quality of the video and the simplification of north-south left-right distinctions can lead to confusion. I simply don't see it, but it looks like someone has made a nice video response to this video at http://www.youtube.com/user/djchrisgeo

Apologies.. I doubt I'd ever get the hang of this, and didn't mean to go so far off topic. I saw the Masher1 heading of the post previous to my own and so thought that might be the place to attract Mr. Masher's attn.\

I didn't understand it all either, but I just take what I can grasp and skip the rest..and maybe it'll make more sense in a day, a week, or whenever. Peace.

it would be great to see a version 2 of the video making it very convincing..

but really it wouldn't surprise me if it was fake footage. i know the tv lies to us anyway. it wouldn't make much difference except to show people the tv lies to us. the buildings would still be brought down by explosives, and the perpetrators would be the same.

That link was very helpful. Although djchris put some annoying music on his video, his take on perspective seems correct. As Eros pointed out, the smoke is misleading.

There is a habit among these video producers to present their cases in a flashy way that ends up confusing more than educating. Even djchris does this by "spinning" the NY map around and around.

I would like to amend my statements above. I TRUST most of the people on this site. People who contibuted to this conversation by putting their two cents in, and I was left to discern what I could on my own. I compared the videos and came to my own judgment. I can't discern what people have in their hearts when they write what they do, so when in doubt I think it's better to trust. I guess I would rather believe that most people are good.

I still cannot account for various other oddities in the videos, but I can see why the "Truth Movement" stresses the controlled demolition angle. Going down the other path opens up a much broader conspiracy, and makes the proponent look like more of a nut. (Holographic planes is the first item mentioned by debunkers.) I will not stop others from espousing their beliefs on this subject, as I feel there should be a full investigation of 911 which would reveal all of the pertinent video shot on that day.

Also, thanks QRS for embedding the video for me.

"Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."

Nice observation, friend " There is a habit among these video producers to present their cases in a flashy way that ends up confusing more than educating. Even djchris does this by "spinning" the NY map around and around. " Peace to you.

First time poster here ... long time NON-believer of "official story". Finding more and more reason to believe the no-plane theory. NEVER believed a plane hit the Pentagon, but now the twin towers. You don't have to analyze the smoke or the way the plane is incoming in this video or any video of the impact (which are not many). In all my searches of pictures and videos, if you zoom in you can see the pixels surrounding the plane don't match the building or sky or whatever, and they flow with the plane. Look real close. Also the flow of the plane is not steady. Why? If the filming of this was real the plane shouldn't be "skipping" in. Look real close.

Okay. I believe DBS has the whodunnit part. I believe WRH, Jones and others are trying to incite revolution, which would do no good but cause all us commoners to kill each other (ie people vs police military who are also but commoners). The guilty will still be sitting pretty at the top and they would be getting what they want and not what they deserve.

I believe the majority of "witnesses" are not credible (have only examined the Pentagon witnesses but imagine same may be true of the impact witnesses). I found they are most all govt or media. Seriously, check out the Pentagon witness list and do a little digging. You will be amazed. I might try checking out "impact" witnesses' backgrounds as well. We shall see! I'll post what I have should anybody request.

That is all for now. I'm on the fence re: Bollyn.

Thanks for reading.

Sorry Q, I guess I should have let you do that... sickofitall, I appreciate your position "... I'm on the fence re: Bollyn.

Thanks for reading.

sickofitall | Fri, 2007-08-17 01:54 "........I don't know Chris Bollyn personally, but I think most of his work is genuine and accurate. Those are the only " fruits " I have to measure him by. Besides his being a good family man and decent ( peaceful type ) person.Thank you for your post..it's an interesting read, sir. Peace to you.