How Jewish Elites Use Anti-Gentilism to Control Ordinary Jews
Some good info on European pogroms and "anti-Semitism". This is from Israel Shamir's mail list. Fester
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Our good friend John Spritzler wrote this good and remarkable piece which deserves to be widely read and disseminated. John delves into history and its interpretation. Did Jews suffer for no reason at all - or did they suffer as a social class, for exploiting people? Shouldn't young Jews be explained that by their teachers, instead of being brainwashed into "eternal hatred of Esau and Jacob"? Absolutely. Surely he is right.
However, his very interesting text suffers of lack of historical comparisons. He could compare the fate of Jews in Ukraine in 1660 with that of French in Haiti in 1800, who also suffered as a community and were massacred almost to a man - more than that can be said about the Ukrainian Jews who remained a massive community of some 10 percent of total population and up to 70 per cent of urban population. He could compare the fate of Jews with that of nobles who were killed for no particlular guilt at all during the Great Terror of 1793. Much suffering Jews actually survived better than other communities of predatory behaviour.
John also deals with the example of Dr Shahak: is it true that Jews are forbidden, by their law, to save a goy on Sabbath? He affirms this suggestion of Shahak, and refutes the claim by a British Rabbi. Surely this stand calls for courage. But as a matter of fact, a Jew is perfectly allowed, by Jewish law, to kill a goy - by enticing him to descend to a pit and removing the ladder, for instance. The example of Dr Shahak, far from being an exercise in hateful thinking, just touches the subject in the earnest.
Shamir
Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:22 AM
How Jewish Elites Use Anti-Gentilism to Control Ordinary Jews
by John Spritzler
Let's start out by looking at a sample of what Jews are taught by their religious leaders, about the history of Jews being persecuted by gentiles, and about how Jewish morality regards gentiles.
The Chmielnicki Pogroms
Here is an example of how Jews learn a version of history that serves to make them believe an anti-gentile stereotype-- that gentiles have an irrational hatred of Jews. The Chmielnicki pogroms of 1648, in what was then Poland and now the Ukraine, are considered to have been the most atrocious attacks on Jews by the gentile masses (as opposed to the state acting on its own as during the Nazi era) in European history. There is no doubt that it was a vicious attack and that tens of thousands--some say 100,000 or more--Jews died terrible deaths because of it.
This is how Rabbi Ken Spiro, a licensed tour guide from the Israel Ministry of Tourism who has appeared on radio and television programs such as B.B.C., the National Geographic Channel and the History Channel, describes the event in his "The Jews of Poland: Crash Course in Jewish History #49":
POGROMS
When the Ukrainians decided to throw the Poles out of their land, a full-scale massacre of Jews began.
The year 1635 saw the first big explosion of violence in Ukraine against Poles and Jews. But this attempt at the revolution was crushed. It returned with new vigor thirteen years later.
This second rebellion, in 1648, which succeeded in freeing Ukraine from Polish rule, was led by a Ukrainian Cossack named Bogdan Chmielnicki. In large measure it was directed at the Jews.
Chmielnicki was one of the biggest anti-Semites in human history, on par with Hitler. His aim was genocide and his forces murdered an estimated 100,000 Jews in the most horrendous ways:
Here is one description (from Yeven Mezulah, pp. 31-32):
"Some of them [the Jews] had their skins flayed off them and their flesh was flung to the dogs. The hands and feet of others were cut off and they [their bodies] were flung onto the roadway where carts ran over them and they were trodden underfoot by horse ... And many were buried alive. Children were slaughtered at their mother's bosoms and many children were torn apart like fish. They ripped up the bellies of pregnant women, took out the unborn children, and flung them in their faces. They tore open the bellies of some of them and placed a living cat within the belly and they left them alive thus, first cutting off their hands so that they should not be able to take the living cat out of the belly ... and there was never an unnatural death in the world that they did not inflict upon them."
Here is another account from a Lithuanian Rabbi Shabbetai ben Meir HaCohen (1621-1662) also known as the Shach, who survived this time:
"On the same day 1,500 people were killed in the city of Human in Russia on the Sabbath. The nobles [Cossacks] with whom the wicked mob had again made an alliance chased all the Jews from the city into the fields and vineyards where the villains surrounded them in a circle, stripped them to their skin and ordered them to lie on the ground. The villains spoke to the Jews with friendly and consoling words: 'Why do you want to be killed, strangled and slaughtered like an offering to your God Who poured out His anger upon you without mercy? Would it not be safer for you to worship our gods, our images and crosses and we would form one people which would unite together.' "But the holy and faithful people who so often allowed themselves to be murdered for the sake of the Lord, raised their voices together in almighty in Heaven and cried: 'Hear of Israel the Lord our God, the Holy One and the King of the Universe, we have been murdered for Thy sake so often already. O Lord God of Israel let us remain faithful to Thee.' Afterward they recited the confession of sins and said: 'We are guilty and thus recognize the Divine judgement.' Now the villains turned upon them and there was not one of them who did not fall victim."
It's no wonder when Jews hear the word Cossack they break out in a sweat. These people killed 100,000 Jews and destroyed 300 Jewish communities in the most brutal way one could imagine.
Yet to this day Chmielnicki is considered a nationalist hero in the Ukraine, where they regard him as a kind of "George Washington." In Kiev there is a big statue in the square erected in his honor.
Irrational hatred of Jews (at least of Jews who did not convert to Christianity) surely seems to be the explanation for the pogrom based on this account. But there are some parts of the story left out by Rabbi Sprio. These parts are discussed in Yiddish Civilisation: The Rise and Fall of a Forgotten Nation by Paul Kriwaczek, who was born in Vienna in 1937 and, with his parents, narrowly escaped the Nazis in 1939.
Kriwaczek writes,” Peasant life on the Ukrainian estates has been compared with African-Americans' experience of ante bellum plantation society in the southern Confederate states of North America....The distinguished historian of Poland Professor Norman Davies's judgement is severe but probably fair:
"the Jewish arendator [a person who leased land from a noble] became the master of life and death over the population of entire districts, and, having nothing but a short-term and purely financial interest in the relationship, was faced with the irresistible temptation to pare his temporary subjects to the bone...In 1616 well over half the Crown Estates in the Ukraine were in the hands of Jewish arendators. In the same era, Prince Konstanty Ostrorog was reputed to employ over 4,000 Jewish agents. The result was axiomatic. The Jewish community as a whole attracted the opprobrium directed originally at its most enterprising members, and became the symbol of social and economic exploitation. "
Had Rabbi Spiro included this part of the story his readers would not have been so quick to conclude that the motive for the violence against innocent Jews was inexplicable and irrational. Wrong, yes; inexplicable and irrational, no.
It was the tiny minority of wealthy Jewish agents and arendators against whom the peasants had a legitimate grievance, and against whom violence was quite understandable. But why did the peasants hate the innocent Jews? Part of the answer, no doubt, stems from the fact that even the poorest Jews were seen by peasants to be living off the wealth that the rich Jews stole from the peasants; they were not perceived as people who shared anything in common with peasants. The position of Jews in feudal society explains why this would be so. As Kriwaczek writes:
"Jewish inequality was, in any case, always rather different in kind from that prevailing among the gentiles. Instead, it resembled a kind of inverted version of the surrounding feudal system. Among Christian Slavs the movement of wealth was upwards, from the worse-off to the better-off, from the base of the social pyramid towards its summit. Riches were sweated from the soil by the multitude of peasants and passed upwards to swell the coffers of the noble few. Among the Jews, the movement of money was in the opposite direction, flowing from the prosperous, middle-class, Yiddish-speaking merchant minority, growing wealthy from the export trade--the entrepreneurs of Cracow, Lemberg and Lublin...down to the mass of the Jewish Slavic working class who serviced their social superiors' religious and existential needs: the kosher butcher, the matzo baker, the Sabbath candlestick maker, the vintner, the dyer, the weaver, the tailor, the musician and the man who drove the mule cart."
But was the violence even mainly driven by hatred of Jews? Kriwaczek adds the following additional part of the story:
"It is not to diminish the Yiddish people's afflictions to note, as reported in these same grisly accounts, that the worst cruelties were practised on Polish noblemen and Catholic priests: 'The Jews were led to the cemetary...They entered the cemetery chapel and were killed there. Afterwards the building was set on fire...The Catholic priests...were skinned alive while the dukes who had been buried for a long time were dug up from their graves and tossed aside'; that it was Polish nobles and priests who provided the greater number of victims: 'In the city of Mogila they slaughtered 800 nobles together with their wives and children as well as 700 Jews, also with wives and children,'"
Far from supporting the stereotype of irrational hatred of Jews, the actual events of the Chmielnicki pogroms suggest that the peasants were driven by class anger at the entire upper class of Polish society. They attacked Jews because they perceived them to be an integral part of the upper class. The anger clearly did not stem from anything mysterious, timeless and irrational. The behavior towards Jews of modern gentiles today simply cannot be predicted by, or understood as a continuation of, the timeless and irrational behavior of peasants in 1648 Poland.
Jewish leaders have long wanted Jews to fear peasants and have contempt for them. One illustration of this is that Israel's national poet, Chaim Nachman Bialik (1873-1934), born in the Ukraine, wrote his famous poem, "My Father," in 1932 during the great Ukrainian famine that killed millions. As Nicholas Lysson writes, "The poem depicts Bialik’s 'righteous and upright' father dispensing vodka in a 'den of pigs like men,' to Slavic peasants 'rolling in vomit' with 'faces of monstrous corruption.' Bialik calls them 'scorpions' for good measure. The father’s 'whispered syllables,' mean-while, audible only to his adoring son, are 'pure prayer and law, the words of the living God.' The poem nowhere acknowledges the common complaint that the Jews encouraged Slavic alcoholism, which brought in revenue, exposed peasants’ remaining assets to foreclosure, and made them easier to control." [from "HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR"]
Orthodox Judaism's Contempt for Gentiles
Rabbi Immanuel Jakobovits is the former Chief Rabbi of Ireland and later became the spiritual leader of the Fifth Avenue Synagogue in New York City. He is the author of the book Jewish Law Faces Modern Problems. He has a most interesting article, titled "A Modern Blood Libel--L'Affaire Shahak" in the summer, 1966 issue of TRADITION (Volume 8, Number 2) that is also online. The article is a defense of the Israeli rabbinate against an accusation made against them by Dr. Israel Shahak the previous December in a letter to Ha’aretz newspaper in Israel. Israel Shahak (1945, 2001) was a resident of the Warsaw Ghetto, a survivor of the Nazi Bergen-Belsen camp, and an outspoken critic of Zionism and champion of human rights in Israel, as well as having been a Chemistry professor. Shahak has written in great detail how Orthodox Judaism is fundamentally contemptuous of gentiles, basing his views on quotations from the original Hebrew Talmudic writings (which, as he notes, are often incorrectly translated into English in order to obscure how anti-gentile they actually are.) The interested reader can read Shahak's own words in his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, in which Chapter 5 ("The Laws Against Non-Jews") is most relevant to the topic at hand.
Rabbi Jacobovits writes that, in his letter, Shahak "charged that according to 'Orthodox' Jewish law it was forbidden to violate the Sabbath to save the life of a non-Jew. To 'prove' his inflammatory charge, he subsequently 'revealed' that he had himself witnessed an incident in which an Orthodox Jew had refused to allow his telephone to be used to call for help for a non-Jew who had collapsed nearby. Shocked, he asked the rabbinate for a ruling, and they had, so he claimed, confirmed that the Sabbath could indeed be violated only to save a Jewish life."
Rabbi Jacobovits claims that Dr. Shahak later admitted that he had fabricated the whole incident. I don't know the truth of this matter. In either case, it isn't relevant to our discussion. What is, however, very relevant is the rabbi's explanation, based on citations from the Talmud, for why, as he asserts, "the rabbinate, far from having confirmed Dr. Shahak's allegation, had in fact ruled that the Sabbath must be violated to save a non-Jewish no less than Jewish lives."
Rabbi Jacobovits explains why a Jew should break the Sabbath to save the life of a non-Jew with these exact words:
"Nevertheless, even Biblical violations of the Sabbath are warranted for non-Jews 'on account of enmity,' i.e., if the refusal to render such aid may imperil Jews. This stipulation is explicitly made by R. Moses Schreiber (Chatam Sopher, Yoreh De'ah, no. 131; cited in Pitchel Teshuvah, Yoreh De'ah, 154)."
In contrast, the reason why it is permitted ("sanctioned" as Rabbi Jacobovits says) to break the Sabbath to save the life of a Jew is explained by the rabbi this way:
"The principal verse cited by several sages in the Talmud to provide this sanction is: 'And the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath to observe the Sabbath" (Ex. 31:16), which they construed to mean: "Desecrate one Sabbath for him (i.e., a dangerously sick person), so that he may [survive to] keep many Sabbaths [later.]" (Yoma 85b; Sabbath 151b; Mekhilta, Tissa). Accordingly, the whole sanction to violate the Sabbath for the preservation of life is founded on the superior value not of life itself but of the prospect to observe "many Sabbaths" afterwards, so that the Sabbath can be suspended only for the sake of a person who himself observes the Sabbath."
What is remarkable about Rabbi Jacobovits's explanation of the Talmud on this question is that his own words confirm Shahak's main point--that the Talmud views gentiles as inferior to Jews and less deserving of even having their life saved. For, according to the rabbi, if the circumstances were such that a gentile's life depended on a Jew breaking the Sabbath, but no gentile would ever find out about it if the Jew refused to break the Sabbath, then there would be no risk of it "imperiling Jews" and hence the 'on account of enmity' reasoning would not apply and the poor gentile ought to be left to die. Nowhere in Rabbi Jacobovits's article is there an affirmation that a gentile's life is inherently as valuable as a Jew's life. Orthodox Judaism doesn't believe it is.
The Significance of This for Jews Today
Of course most Jews today do not decide how to behave based on Talmudic law. The point is that whenever a Jew breaks the Sabbath to save the life of a gentile (or in general treats a gentile as an equal, regardless of whether it imperils Jews to do otherwise) he or she is acting contrary to Orthodox Judaism. For centuries the rabbis and wealthy Jews, who controlled Jewish communities in Europe, used the Talmud to inculcate in ordinary Jews a profoundly disrespectful attitude towards gentiles. This played the same role then (and now, in the case of Palestinians) as racism played in the American South. The white upper class feared poor whites uniting with blacks (as indeed happened in the 1930s on a large scale in the Southern Tenant Farmers Union) and pushed the racist idea that blacks were inferior in order turn the whites against the blacks. Similarly, the Orthodox Jewish religion helps to prevent ordinary Jews from forming relations of solidarity with gentiles against the upper class that oppresses them both.
Many Jews are as anti-racist and fair-minded as could be on every issue except one: Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, carried out to ensure that Israel's population remains at least 80% Jewish. On this one issue they put their otherwise egalitarian values aside and make a huge exception. They justify this on the grounds that Jews need a place in the world that is virtually all Jewish, so they will be safe from the inevitable outbreaks of anti-Semitism. These Jews believe that, for some mysterious reason, all gentiles are, and always will be, prone to an irrational and inexplicable hatred of Jews. They believe that gentiles are always anti-Semitic, if not overtly then latently. On the basis of this anti-gentile stereotype, they insist that Jews need a "nation of their own" because they can never be secure living among gentiles, not even in the most democratic, egalitarian and enlightened society.
Theodor Herzl founded the modern Zionist movement in 1896 by writing his famous book, The Jewish State, which argued that Jews needed a state of their own because,
"The nations in whose midst Jews live are all either covertly or openly Anti-Semitic. ..the longer Anti-Semitism lies in abeyance the more fiercely will it break out...Anti-Semitism increases day by day and hour by hour among the nations; indeed, it is bound to increase, because the causes of its growth continue to exist and cannot be removed."
The essence of this negative anti-gentile stereotype is the supposed permanence of gentile hostility to Jews. Its permanence, in turn, stems in large part from its supposed irrationality. If there were a rational basis for the hostility then one could imagine that under changed circumstances the hostility would disappear. If, say, the problem were that gentiles believed a lie about Jews, then education could end anti-Semitism. Or if the problem were that gentiles had a legitimate grievance against Jews, then a just resolution of the matter would solve the problem. But the closest that elite Jewish discourse comes to acknowledging a rational basis for hostility to Jews is the idea that Jews are superior to gentiles in some way and gentiles are just jealous; and since this Jewish superiority is timeless, so is the anti-Semitism.
As long as Jews accept that gentile anti-Semitism is unchangeable, they will be swayed by their leaders who preach the need for ethnic cleansing to keep Israel as purely Jewish as possible. They will be forced by the logic of this anti-gentile stereotype to side with Israeli leaders who carry out ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, even though these same leaders--an elite class of billionaires and generals--oppress and exploit ordinary Jews and have no concern for their welfare. The anti-gentile stereotype makes the very idea of solidarity between working class Jews and Palestinians unthinkable, and in this way functions to strengthen the Israeli elite's control over ordinary Jews.
Why do so many Jews believe the anti-gentile stereotype? To put the question more sharply, why do many American Jews believe this stereotype when they can see with their own eyes that virtually anytime anti-Semitic graffiti appears in any American town huge numbers of gentiles denounce it and march with Jews to condemn it?
The answer is that Jewish elites have been teaching Jews this anti-gentile stereotype for centuries. Wealthy Jews and rabbis were powerful people in feudal Europe, and their elevated position in society required preventing solidarity from developing between ordinary Jews and ordinary gentiles. The anti-gentile stereotype made this possible. This is a part of history that is not well known because the version of history that the rulers of society teach the masses deemphasizes or even excludes altogether the stories about how ordinary people challenged elite rule and how elites contrived to stay in power by telling people lies. For this reason most Jews as well as gentiles have only a vague idea about the context in which gentiles attacked Jews in the distant past. Even the more recent Nazi Holocaust is more lied about than accurately presented to the public when it comes to the role of ordinary Germans during the Nazi period.
Most Jews, when they hear about the famous pogroms against Jews, imagine the Jews in those times as having been no different from the contemporary gentiles, with the sole exception of having a different religion and being discriminated against because of that. Jews are not taught important facts of European history that contextualize violence against Jews. For example, they aren't taught that Jews occupied a very different position in feudal society from gentiles, that, for example, there were never Jewish peasants in Europe, that even the poorest Jews lived in small towns or cities and were far better off than the rural peasants in feudal society who were virtual slaves, or that peasants were often directly oppressed by wealthy Jews who acted as agents of the nobility. It is understandable that, not knowing these things, Jews conclude from what they are taught by their religious leaders that the attacks on Jews can only be explained by the notion that gentiles harbor an irrational hatred of Jews, and that gentile anti-Semitism is mysterious, inherent and timeless.
Believing a negative stereotype about people because one doesn't know the full story happens all the time. For example, most Americans know that Palestinians don't like Israel, but they don't know why; they don't know that Israel carries out ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. So it is natural that Americans believe it when they are told that the reason Palestinians don't like Israel is because "Arabs have an irrational hatred of Jews, always have and always will."
Jews today are very well informed about the centuries of persecution of Jews by gentiles in Europe. Jewish leaders make sure of this. But what Jews today seldom know are the historical facts that indicate the actual motives of the gentiles who attacked Jews. Jewish leaders want Jews to believe that the motives of the gentile masses were always the same: irrational hatred of Jews, period. It's just "in their nature," like the killing instinct of the scorpion in the famous story of the scorpion who convinces the frog to carry him across the river by telling the worried frog that he would never kill the frog because then they would both drown, but who nonetheless does sting the frog in midstream and, when asked by the frog, "How come?" replies, "It's my nature."
Jews who want a more equal and democratic world need to understand that many of the beliefs they have been taught by the rabbis and wealthy Jews who lead organized Jewry are factually wrong when it comes to historical events, and morally wrong when it comes to placing more value on the life of a Jew than a gentile. Jews need to understand that these beliefs prevent them from standing with the great majority of people in the world in opposition to racism and ethnic cleansing and other forms of inequality that elites enforce in order to strengthen their power over people. Until they do, they will continue to suffer from a kind of collective paranoia. This is dangerous to both themselves and to the gentiles their Jewish leaders turn them against.
Israel's leaders are the modern-day version of the wealthy Jews of the past who aligned themselves with the nobles against the peasants and who tried to keep "their people" separated from and contemptuous of the peasants. This led to disasters like the Chmielnicki pogroms. Jews who think that they are making the world safer for ordinary Jews by siding with Israel's Zionist leaders and supporting their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians are making a monumental mistake. Jews, no less than gentiles, should oppose Israel's ethnic cleansing and demand it stop. They should join with the rest of us in supporting the right of return for the Palestinian refugees so they can return to their homes inside the green line (Israel) and receive fair compensation for the land and other property that the Zionists stole from them. It is the decent thing to do, no matter what one's religion.
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It sums up important parts of the historic accounts of the relationship between Jews and Gentiles in Europe.
Jews nowadays are still taught that Gentiles are irrational Jew-haters.
They are taught, that Jewish people can never trust Gentiles, because this antisemitic insanity can break out at any time without any motive at all.
This is the reason why I keep harping on the theme, that indiscriminate hatred of Jews (or a pretension of it) will help the Zionist agenda at every point.
And of course, the Zionist elites know that. That´s why they let their agents pose as
"anti-Semites".
Just like terrorist acts by Mossad agents stampeded the Iraqi Jews into Israel in the 1950s, so do fake anti-Semitic acts and rhetoric, together with propaganda and skewed accounts of history, stampede ordinary Jews into the Zionist camp.
Fear of being attacked makes most people run for shelter. And the Zionists tell the ordinary Jews: We are the shelter against the sure to come antisemitic storm.
No, I do not make excuses for lower class Zionist. I only say, these are the facts of life. And everybody, who wants a more just and peaceful world better accept those facts.
And instead of clinging to a simple minded Manichean world-view he better starts working on a strategy that works, meaning a strategy, which will create solidarity between Jews and Gentiles of good will.
..so what then shall we call them?
..perhaps the Zionist World Order? ZWO is pretty close to the goods, or baddies wouldn't you say?
..it's like not blaming all americans for Iraq etc.. because we know that their government is ZOG, and thus not blame all so called 'jews' because some have absolutely nothing to do with the racial supremacist world order called for in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the traditions of the Elders, the Pharisees; the synagogue of shaitan..
the global power elite.
They are bankers and other ultra-rich invested in the military industrial complex, the media, the chemical and pharmaceutical industry, plus media pundits, intellectuals , think-tankers, generals and others.
But if you really want to name them all at once you should not call them Zionists, since only a part of them are actually Zionists, and only part of the Zionists have a Jewish background.
To be sure because of certain historical events, Jewish Zionists are over-proportionally represented within the global power-elite.
But that doesn´t make all the elitists Jews or all Jews elitists.
Insisting on calling the whole power-elite Jewish or Zionist is a trick by this very same elite to rally Jewish and anti-racist gentile foot-soldiers to their cause.
And since I´m a "paranoid conspiracy theorist" my assumption is still, that everybody who helps the global power-elite and the Israeli Zionist elite in their quest of gaining more idiots usable as cannon fodder dupes is not just a stupid dupe himself, but most likely a paid agent.
..good point, erlenda..
..just keep in mind that what was once a group of opportunists who pillaged for themselves and their noble elite enablers, has now usurped enough power to BE THE NOBLE ELITE, top dog #1..
..a dead giveaway is that 2% of the USA populace is Jewish, yet 50% of the billionaires, meaning the zio usurpers are 25 times more influential than they should be..
..and don't try to tell me that they didn't sell out, poor joos..
..and thank you Fester for the informative article! :)
It is a little disingenuous to claim that "because of certain historical events", Jewish Zionists are disproportionately represented within the global power-elite. They were not mere "historical events", they were power-grabs on an unprecedented scale and the individuals who have benefited from them have used that power to start and sustain two world wars and a variety of "minor" wars.
Of course this does not make all the elitists Jews or all Jews elitists. People are people, after all. However, those who have been brought up with the Talmudic belief system will be very likely to have been indoctrinated with an elitist and anti-gentilist perspective. Breaking free from that mindset is an incredibly difficult task, and living with the consequences of doing so even more traumatic.
One last thing. Deep at the heart of modern Judaism is a lie of gargantuan proportions, a lie used to excuse the annexation and occupation of Palestinian land and the wholesale mistreatment and even murder of Palestinian people, a lie that disguises the non-semitic ethnicity of an overwhelming majority of modern-day Jewry, a lie that needs to be brought out well and truly into the light. While that lie lives and breathes, nothing will change, at least not substantially. Erlanda may label me a Zionist agent for raising this matter. If you want to do so, Erlanda, knock yourself out. My allegiance is to the victims, not the victimisers.
That´s a phrase I hear all the time on American TV-shows and from Hollywood, when they justify death-penalties and ridiculous long prison sentences for accidental deaths to give their prison industry some more slaves to make profit from.
I heard it also from Zionists, who see themselves as eternal victims of 3000 years of gentile persecution.
My alliance is to the living and the yet to be born.
I trust in God to do right by the dead.
Nice try, Erlanda. Comparing my words with those justifying death-penalties and long prison sentences, making me 'one of them'. The trouble is, I have not heard those words often enough in the context of the Palestinian victims of Jewish hegemonic oppression. In contrast, I hear them far too often in support of the perpetual supposed victimhood of the self-appointed 'chosen people'.
I can't help but notice that in playing your little comparison game, you avoid addressing everything else I wrote and in particular THE BIG LIE that is at the heart of modern Jewry.
Look who is talking.
Actually I didn´t even think about those tricks when I wrote the last comment. I assumed that you as a supposedly right-wing American nationalist were pro-death penalty and long prison terms anyway.
As a European I see these as anachronistic forms of revenge, which the majority of the American population still believe in, and the elite uses for their own profitable purposes.
But lets talk about the "Kazars". I read about them on other websites before and found it an interesting tidbit.
But as I said, even if European Jews were really semitic they still would have no right to take over Palestine.
It´s muddying the issue.
As for you being a true advocate of Palestinian victims:
I have the feeling you are using the Palestinian suffering for a very different agenda.
And as conspiracy theorist I´m very suspicious of your agenda.
I didn't accuse you of propaganda tricks, I just pointed out the fact that you drew a dubious link between what I said and the words you have apparently heard from those justifying the death penalty. If you see that as a propaganda trick then that is you coming to conclusions about your own writing. Your twin assumptions that I am right-wing and that I am American are as erroneous as the connections you drew. I would have thought that my spelling would have offered clues on the latter assumption.
Your statement that "even if European Jews were really semitic they still would have no right to take over Palestine" is neither here nor there. The fact is that a significant proportion of Christian opinion has been mobilised to provide de-facto support the occupation of Palestine has to great deal to do with the false premise that the occupiers somehow "belong there" or that they have been promised this prime beachside real-estate by God. I agree that even if they were semites it would not excuse the occupation - but there are hundreds of thousands of Christians out there who believe otherwise. That belief is predicated on a lie and that lie needs be brought kicking and screaming into the light.
I don't for a moment believe that any people are genetically predisposed to evil, but I do know that those who are brought up from infancy in a culture of hating the "other" (the Talmud) stand a good chance of maintaining that hatred for the rest of their lives. Of course there are those who break free from the religious or cultural indoctrination that imbues the false sense of superiority and leanings towards supremacism.
Your beliefs about my agenda are your choice and will not succeed in silencing me. I could be tempted to come to similar conclusions about your own agenda, but I won't, as I would probably be wrong. Perhaps you are too.
..when you point the finger, look in the mirror..
..i'm sick and tired of reading bullsh*t posts about how paranoid people are..
..i don't see how sullivan is using the name of Palestine for some other 'suspicious agenda'..
..there are some who DO THIS, but they are terribly obvious, and their actions far more significant than anything posted here..
..like israel and iran talking polishits, whilst chanting Palestine, Palestine, and getting ready for war..
..ask yourself THIS: as a Palestinian, would you trust ISRAEL or IRAN more?
If you don´t want to read my comments, Sullivan, then just don´t.
Nobody forces you to.
Anybody who seriously reads my posts knows, that I´m no Zionist.
What I oppose is false flags and racism.
Peace and solidarity may sound quaint for Zionists and believers in other elitist world views.
But in reality it´s what the majority of humanity urgently desires.
And no matter how much you oppose it - and you and I might not live the day - but I know we will get it eventually:
A multi-polar, multi-cultural, multi-economic models world where in spite of or better because of diversity people will cooperate in the name of peace and progress.
And whatever you try, you can´t stop it, unless you blow up all humanity including yourself to kingdom come.
Not being given to such blatant self-righteousness, I'll pass on that one, thanks.
..i doubt any of us here would even consider blowing anything up, let alone the whole planet!
..but, unfortunately i don't speak for the elite, some of whom would cull the population of Earth to meet their sadistic dreams..
More hogwash
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"...Voltaire
I hope I misunderstood your stance.
For the Zionist Talmudist certainly are OVER PROPORTIONATELY IN CONTROL OF many things.
Nice try, Erlanda. Comparing my words with those justifying death-penalties and long prison sentences, making
Amen Sullivan. I've been through discussions with her as well. She uses Hasbara tactics artfully, dodging the real points and issues while trying to stereotype & marginalize the messanger.
The big lies is most Israeli's are Asiatic Khazars. Not jews at all.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"...Voltaire