To all The French Connection supporters -- please read!
First off, to readers who have not followed this long and tiresome TFC discussion ongoing at WUFYS, I refer you to the original thread that started it all, to provide evidence that I was a supporter of TFC. I argued back and forth with Poseidon, maintaining that the trio (now duo) were honest Zionist exposers who had just become paranoid over time.
Of course, Daryl & Eric would say that I was just pretending to be a supporter all along, or that I was never really a "follower" since I didn't agree that the jailed "Holocaust deniers", et al., are agents.
All I ask you is to please not assume that I'm a Zionst agent by default, as they ask you to do, but instead try to read this thread with an open mind. How could you ever have become aware of the Zionist problem, if not with an open mind?
Following is a list of individuals that Daryl Bradford Smith and Eric Hufschmid have mentioned in the last year or so and have NOT accused (so far) of being Zionist agents/collaborators/useful idiots or otherwise "part of the criminal network". I believe this is a complete list when not counting a few former guests who do not show any signs of ever wanting to come back (such as Lorraine Day and David Pidcock).
Henry Ford [DEAD] Nesta Webster [DEAD] Elizabeth Dilling [DEAD] Myron Fagan [DEAD] Paul Rassinier [DEAD] Bill Cooper [DEAD] Gary Webb [DEAD] Carol Valentine [MIA] Peter Kawaja [MIA] Radio Islam guy [MIA] Jimmy Walter [Ret.] Jackie Patru [Ret.?] Robert Faurisson [Old age] Michel Chussodovsky [Zionist Denier] Karen Kwiatkowski [??] Salvador Astucia [??] Bobby Fischer [??] Barry Turner [??] Muhammad Rafeeq Andrew Hitchcock Texe Marrs
It's possible that I've missed a few, but these are all as far as I can tell. And yet they claim that "Zionist shills" are trying to marginalize them!
What do all the people in this list have in common? They are not very prominent in the truth movement. Some of them are dead (and therefore unable to cause any more damage to the Zionists); some of them have "disappeared", if we are to believe the duo; some are not really active in the truth movement; and the others do not seem to read or listen to TFC either, and thus are not aware of the fact that they figure in such a tiny list of "good guys".
They have accused many former "good friends" of being "part of the criminal network", recently including people whom I would describe as obviously good -- such as Christopher Jon Bjerknes, Rev. Ted Pike, and Jim Condit Jr. (and now even Bollyn!!). Other former "friends" include John Kaminski, Michael Collins Piper, Eustace Mullins (they believe he's been blackmailed since the 1950's), Kee Dewdney, and several others. Almost all their long-time Internet supporters have also abandoned them, many of which they also accuse of being agents.
Over half of the people on the TFC "good guys" list are dead or not active any more. There is no reason to defame them, as they can't do any more damage. The rest are divided into people who have not yet realized the extent of TFC's accusations, and people whom they have no apparent reason to defame:
Chussodovsky is a Jewish Zionist denier but a "good friend" of Daryl, so they have not outright accused him, for some reason. Faurisson's work is damaging but strictly limited to one subject, and TFC's strategy seems to be to accuse all but one of the most well-known revisionists. I think Bobby Fischer, being a Jew himself, could do a lot to help, but he's been persecuted so much that it's no wonder he doesn't do much. DBS has mentioned Barry Turner several times in the last months but he seems to be MIA also. I have not seen Kwiatkowski or Astucia doing anything in a long time, either.
There are only 3 people in this list whom it would make sense for TFC to defame: Rafeeq, Hitchcock, and Texe Marrs. I would bet five grands that none of them read or listen to TFC. They are the only scholars who are still supporting TFC. The only other people who support them are their "followers".
In the last months I have observed very bizarre behavior coming from the "followers" of TFC. If you look at the comments of any YouTube video that TFC link to, or go to DBS's MySpace profile, you may notice a behavior eerily similar to that of a cult.
For a good example, look at the comment made by 'Le Prince' on 'Aug 20 2007 7:12P'. A strange case is the user by the name of 'tom_goy', who was asking strong questions about their actions, but now seems completely under their spiel; so much so, that he is giving them big donations and making a wiki for them with his programming skills.
Another example can be found on WUFYS: a user with the handle 'Nobodaddy' who calls TFC "Witnesses" and "Messengers", despite sounding rational in many of his posts. Some cult members are otherwise intelligent people.
Their current supporters seem to fall into 2 categories: newbies who have just found the good info on Zionism and do not yet realize the ridiculous extent of their accusations, and brainwashed members of the "cult".
It is easy, especially today, to notice the cult leader behavior on the iamthewitness.com website. Nowadays, the same message is repeated over and over. It goes something like this:
"We are the way to go, we are the only true source of knowledge; you should assume everyone else is guilty until proven innocent."
"Investigate everybody, but not us; whether we are trustworthy is not even questionable, as we are truth itself."
"Everyone else is untrustworthy; don't make the mistake of trusting the wrong people, or you might end up following the criminals."
"This person is dishonest ... can YOU figure out if this person is dishonest?"
"This person is a Zionist agent (because we say so), and this other person has talked to him, so he must be a Zionist agent."
"Christopher Bollyn has been kidnapped or murdered; if you don't listen to us they might take YOU out, also!"
"Spread this information everywhere so that everyone can see how ridiculously nutty we look and thus safely ignore the information!"
"Go look at those people attacking us ... you'll feel sick to your stomach ... it's always attacking the messenger."
They never raise the question of their own honesty, and any question automatically makes the person raising it a bad guy. All cult leaders will make sure they never raise any question about their honesty in their followers' minds.
Key words are "trust", "followers", and "dishonest". The repeated use of these words, especially "trust", seems to be designed to have a penetrating effect into the followers' minds. The obvious, obvious, obvious question that they will never raise is this:
How is it possible that only 3-7 truth seekers alive today have ever managed to come to all the truth, while virtually all other such persons are only pretending to?
Borrowing Poseidon's analogy, how is it possible that only some 5 people in the mental asylum are the good guys, and all other inmates in the asylum (Zionist exposers), plus everyone else in the outside, are bad guys?
It is absolutely impossible. It makes no sense whatsoever. You need to be insanely paranoid for that premise to ring true in any way. The most basic form of logic disproves it. Judy Wood & Morgan Reynolds make more sense than TFC.
If you are a supporter, rather than a follower, of TFC, please consider the above list and obvious question. You had probably never seen their accusations from this perspective. If you have not been reading and listening to any sources other than TFC, then you might have gotten the impression that TFC is merely sniping out the people they find suspicious. However, as I've pointed out, they have targeted pretty much everyone with a significant presence in the truth movement.
If you have been keeping up with the broader range of alternative media sites for a long time, you cannot possibly have missed the fact that, by now, they have accused everyone except dead or inactive people, and the few people remaining on their show that have not yet realized the extent of their accusations.
Personally, I always brushed off their more ridiculous accusations and the apparent "cult leader" attitude as simple ego/narcissistic issues. I imagined that being in the position they are (were) in, they would feel a bit full of themselves. It was not until they started using the word "follower" that I started to wonder. At the end I brushed that off also, assuming that Smith's ego cravings had almost reached a "cult of personality". Hufschmid's excellent 9/11 video is what woke me up from my slumber, so I had extra respect for him. I gave them the biggest benefit of the doubt.
It is important to explain in simple terms that what they do is tell the truth about agents/shills/infiltrators -- from the obvious ones like Tom Flocco and Morgan Reynolds to the Zionist deniers like Alex Jones -- but then go much further than that and accuse even the innocent people. That is the MO, so it is a fallacy to assume they are right about most just because they are right about some (like Muhammad Rafeeq says he does; see below).
In response to this thread, Daryl would say that I'm attacking the messenger, rather than the message. However, this is obviously not true, as the message not only includes the ridiculous accusations, but is in fact almost entirely composed of those accusations. Any claim that I am "attacking the messenger" is simply false.
I am not saying that Daryl Bradford Smith is a do-do head, and I am not saying that I don't like Eric Hufschmid's voice. I am not complaining that they identify Alex Jones or Gerard Holmgren or Jim Fetzer as disinformation agents; I agree with that. I also agree that their past work is excellent, and even groundbreaking. However, almost everything they have produced in the last 10 months or so is nothing but worthless innuendo and baseless accusations, which can only serve to taint the good interviews to the new listener.
Do you really think a newbie who just discovered that 9/11 was an "inside job" (that's the initial assumption for all of us) will be likely to get up to speed with the real facts if he reads things like "99% of the truth movement are agents"? What he will do is ignore them as crazies and end up finding the more reasonable Alex Jones.
For this reason, I think the older interviews on TFC are still extremely valuable, so long as they are separated from the iamthewitness.com website. Someone should create a website or blog and host the great interviews so as to preserve them. "They are not copyrighted, so spread them around!", Daryl & Eric would say!
Although there is evidence supporting the "insane paranoia" theory, I don't believe this is the case anymore. Why am I convinced that these actions by TFC are not merely the product of extreme paranoia? One reason is that the "paranoia" is so over the top and affects two people, with a third one (Bollyn) being dragged into it. Another reason is their ability to sound as reasonable as they did in early 2006. Their written articles have become ridiculous nonsense, but in their audio files they sound the same as in early 2006. Other reasons include their numerous inconsistencies, double standards, and some outright lies. I will point out a few:
Hufschmid "exposes" anyone who doesn't state the "whole truth" (i.e., Hufschmid's alleged perfect vision of the Truth), but listen to this:
At the very beginning of this audio file, Eric Hufschmid says that he is "not blaming Israel" for 9/11. He is telling this to a man who tries to blame 9/11 on Canadian and British companies (and even Saddam Hussein!). Why would Hufschmid not denounce this guy as a Zionist agent in the blink of an eye? By Hufschmid's standards, David Hawkins is an obvious Zionist agent. Instead, Hufschmid sits through the entire 3+ hour show that he himself is producing for 'Agent Ladybug', insisting that there is an "Israeli connection" to 9/11, while Hawkins tries to ignore it. Whatever the reason for this, it's an incredible double standard!
Here is one example of an obvious lie by Eric Hufschmid:
As time goes on, it is becoming obvious that there is something wrong with judicial-inc.biz. Did you notice that they don't seem to care about the disappearance of Christopher Bollyn? Who are they? What is their real purpose?
Hufschmid wants us to believe that he doesn't know who the operator of Judicial Inc is, after having been accused of being The Skunk or working with him. There is no way he doesn't know who operates Judicial Inc, and yet he refers to him (The Skunk) in plural. This is not paranoia; this is a lie.
Smith also clearly lies about the statistics of the TFC website. He claims their "numbers are up" from 10,000 visitors to 12,000, and then a few days later to 14,000. This after over a year at a consistent 10,000, according to Smith's previous claims. After having isolated themselves by defaming everyone, the numbers then suddenly increment twice by 2,000 in a matter of days? An obvious lie.
In his 16 July 2007 show, at 10 minutes in, DBS tries to explain some statistics for the TFC website:
... we get 6 to 8 thousand [visitors] per day. That's the statistics. Not hits, ladies and gentlemen, we get 70 to 80 thousand hits a day, on our website. We've got 45 "megas" going out a day. I mean, a week, I'm sorry. 45 to 50 mega, uhm, megabytes, and, and the simple fact of the matter is that these people are trying to marginalize us...
It appears that Smith doesn't know what a megabyte is. 45 MB would be the average bandwidth used by 10-20 users. He makes so many "innocent" mistakes like this one that it looks like he has a disdain for, of feels indifference about, the truth. The "Adam Gadahn's Jewish father" or "Bin Laden is Jewish" mistakes are another two examples. Here is another one:
In his 14 Aug 2007 show, at 46:38, DBS makes a bunch of mistakes. When he can't remember the real name of Sumner Redstone (Murray Rothstein), he completely makes up a new name for him (like he doesn't care). And why is it that Hufschmid tends to be even more forgetful of names? How can these sincere and dedicated anti-Zionists forget so much?
For another example of carelessness, listen to the 19 Aug 2007 show at 14:40, to hear DBS laughing at the thought that Bollyn is dead. "Dead Bollyn, heheh". Does it sound like he cared about Bollyn in this show?
Now, a big mystery to me is Muhammad Rafeeq. I sincerely believe it is possible that Muhammad Rafeeq is innocent of any wrongdoing. He admitted that he does (or did) not listen to or read the TFC website.
His ego seemed to have taken a hit when he was proven wrong about Sabbataianism/Zoharites in the three threads containing very interesting discussions about Neturei Karta. It did seem to me like he was being a bit evasive, but I do not believe this necessarily reflects dishonesty on Rafeeq's part (we all have our egos).
That he would seem to plagiarize Chris Bjerknes' excellent work on the Armenian Genocide is suspicious, but it might be due to simple misunderstandings (e.g., Rafeeq sincerely believing TFC that Bjerknes is a "Crypto-Zionist").
For the benefit of all readers, I'll quote 4 relevant paragraphs written by Muhammad Rafeeq in order to give a general idea of his views regarding TFC as of the date he wrote those posts. He does not seem to have changed his views, since he still appears on TFC as one of the few guests.
Therefore, how dare you even dream of insulting my sincerity. Who do you think you are that you are so important to pull people down without even knowing anything about them? Your conduct is far worse than that with which you accuse Daryl and Eric - you know practically nothing about me and little more about my efforts and yet you have still accused me of supporting zionism. You have no idea how much me, my family and friends have suffered personally and directly at the hands of zionists over the years. You owe me an unreserved apology for your ignorant slur.
My friend, we are looking at mass murderers, who have used that mass murder, exponentially worse than Columbine or Dunblane, to jump start a series of wars that has left more than 1 million dead. We must be able to bury our differences in order to fight our common collective enemy, the zionists.
There remains only the specific evidences for their beliefs in diversion from fact. I am not, nor ever have been, aware of much of the information that Daryl and Eric have in their possession in this respect. Yet, like many who support 9/11 truth I have seen that they have made very good calls in the past, with the likes of WingTV and others. This would imply that the evidence they had was reliable and that they had been justified in their public condemnation.
The reason I state that they are not on the same side as these criminal perpetrators is because it was me who introduced the zionism and zionists and gave them a lot of the original source materials, including the Friedman documents, which I have had for decades. They started validating the information that I sent them and even got their own new sources and came back with lots of questions.
If you were up to date on what DBS & Eric have said and published, Mr. Rafeeq, you'd know that they have accused -- and are even openly accusing now -- "virtually everyone in the truth movement" of being Zionist agents. Does that really make sense to you? They employ the exact same tactics you describe in the first quoted paragraph. It's just ridiculous smear after the other, with a lot of guilt by association fallacies. Daryl & Eric are the ones who refuse to unite with anyone. Why don't you ask them to "bury our differences"?
Hufschmid even says that you should assume that everyone is an agent by default. In other words, if we are to follow Hufschmid's advice, we are both Zionist agents in each other's view! The only effective purpose of TFC today seems to be to destroy any kind of united resistance -- regardless of whether you blame their ridiculous accusations on extreme paranoia (as I used to) or on deliberate disruption.
Now they are attacking Chris Bjerknes, Ted Pike, and Jim Condit Jr., their former "good friends". The bullshit coming from TFC is so ridiculous that it's no wonder that nobody is supporting them anymore. You, Muhammad Rafeeq, are the only guest left, it appears, along with Andrew Hitchcock and Texe Marrs. I'd certainly want to know if Hitchcock and Marrs read or listen to TFC.
That you would request an apology from someone who questioned your motives would be unbelievably hypocritical if you knew what you are talking about regarding TFC. From the moment I read the above statement of yours I started wondering about your honesty. A bit later you acknowledged that you do not read or listen much to TFC. Would it have been offensive to you if I publicly questioned your honesty after having read what you wrote? If so, why would your moral standards allow Daryl & Eric to not only question the honesty of everyone else, but outright accuse them? Look what they say on this page: "Don't be intimidated when somebody complains that they feel insulted that you question their honesty."
Also, you went on and on about that offensive picture of Jesus that was posted in one of the TFC threads, asking for an apology. If you listen to TFC's 16 May 2007 show, you'll hear what DBS would think of this. It seems to me that you would qualify as a "religious nut" by the standards of TFC. Suzette does not seem to be more religious than you are, and yet she merited a very offensive email from DBS. I also wonder what Texe Marrs would say if he heard that show and saw the "Jesus should've been aborted" email.
Please Mr. Rafeeq, with all due respect, I ask you to do a bit of homework to better understand what you are supporting. Just reading a few recent pages on the iamthewitness.com website should be enough! You may be completely convinced that Daryl was honest in the beginning (I believe so too), but what if he was "gotten to" at some point? Remember the stalking around his house in Feb 2006, a discussion about which you participated in? No follow up on that was ever reported.
Does it not make sense that the Zionists would want to stop the people who were doing the most to expose them (they were, as far as I can tell)? Would those attempts to stop them not include extreme threats to their families? What would you do in such a situation? As you said, these criminals are not playing games.
Knowing their long-standing tradition of unbelievable deception, would it be out of the question to suggest that an extremely deceptive deal was made, in which TFC would continue exposing Zionism at full force, but would ignore the religious element, and slowly introduce a strong "divide & conquer" element that would gradually fall into total isolation, thus hopefully tarnishing the information with it?
This is the only explanation I can think of that makes sense. The "they're just insanely paranoid" explanation doesn't work anymore for me, and I find the theory that they were agents from the start to have too many holes. What a world we live in, if the Zionist agents (TFC) would expose their own crimes far better than the genuine anti-Zionists (AFP)!
That'll be all for now. I hope that I've put forth a solid case against TFC's honesty and that my post was helpful. I would greatly appreciate the input of Muhammad Rafeeq on this matter. I would also appreciate if someone could notify Andrew Hitchcock and Texe Marrs about this post, as it is in their interest to know this information.
As for Christopher Bollyn, I am not convinced that he is part of the same deal, although many good points have been raised. I would urge Mr. Bollyn to consider the above scenario and the possibility that Eric Hufschmid may not be what he pretends to be.
(One last thing: please try to keep the discussion to one thread, folks. I sympathise with qrswave for having to keep up with this endless discussion, and I support her decision to close most of the threads. I think the main problem is not so much the length of the discussion itself, but rather the unnecessary number of threads created about the subject.)
The above post was written a few days ago, before the fake "split" of TFC. Can the drama get any worse? Possibly, but it doesn't get any more obvious that DBS and EH are agents!
I interviewed Eric yesterday for our radio show for over an hour and he seems to not care, very very strange.
Where is the link?
http://rapidshare.com/files/54683108/ConCen.Radio.Friday_9thSept.2007.Ho...
..do you notice just how many people are so paranoid that they think almost everyone is an agent?
..still does not detract from the fact that many people in the so called 9/11 'truth movement' are zionist deniers..
If that's the case, I'll pass...on that privelege.
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To Jesus Through Mary
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3439
We have spent our entire lives surrounded by Zionist agents. Go ahead, be a Zionist Agent.I care not.
All concerned players in the TFC saga are Zionist agents IMO.
..jesse, the download is free.. rub your eyes :)
..eric makes some good points, as usual..
..geeez, the answer to the poll is YOU, lol..
It is a good interview, and as much or more revealing than any I've heard heretofore. First though, Ognir: why refer to your gracious guest here as 'Little Eric'? And are you responsible for misspelling his name 'Huffschmidt'? And then referring to Eric's comments as sounding 'not caring', &c. I didn't interpret them that way AT ALL.
Two, I'm believing that they (the Zids) DID, indeed, get to Bollyn in some way (even if it were only personal)-- unless his 120o turnabout can be attributed to an attempt to 're'establish a broader appeal and credibility, for the purposes of career/ income, less heat, dissemination of info, &c.)
I have listened to Daryl's show for over a year and a half and have found most of the information very useful. The problem is how can you point someone to there site, when all it has done is complain about everyone the last year? There are not many people who know about 9/11 fakery and there are far less that believe it was done by Israel. Daryl and Eric did not help that cause at all but to alienate more of the "truth movement". Bollyn may of been threatened when he got attacked to never do anything with AFP. My idea is that Eric pushed the theory that people are agents all over, and Daryl's paranoia went along with it. Bollyn. I recently saw a poll about 9/11 saying 75% dont believe the official story and my take was that, "oh great, more infiltrators now that are going to be coming out left and right". Exposing Alex Jones is a good idea, because most in the 9/11 movement treat the guy as a god and yes I was introduced to his shows/ website, but about 2 weeks of hearing him blame the Bush, Cheney and the mysterious illuminatti I had about enough. So I moved on. Maybe he is good for that to get people in the door on the movement. Is it a total coincidence that Alex is just NOW starting to talk of zionism, and even on aminor level. But the question we need to ask is, do people do it cause they are paid off? Do they avoid it cause they dont want to get attacked? Do they do it cause everyone else goes along with it so why shouldnt they? This goes for the media, government and any 9/11 truth people? Why the continued silence on the Zionist/ Jewish question?
His name is Ahmed Rami and he is not MIA. I personally talked to him recently. It's not a biggie, just FYI so you get the facts straight.
You better believe it
UAZ, I'm not persuaded. The value of Smith's archives has never been acknowledged by his detractors. People like James Dickie, Barry Turner, David Pidcock I suspect have presented their info and are not working investigative journalists. Similarly, does a Kay Griggs or Jimmy Rothstein want to come on the phone and rehash their stories for an hour just because they've not appeared recently? Does it mean they've "turned against" Daryl?
What Smith has got is a archive of info on Zionism which is unmatched by any one else. It seems clear to me, based on the complete dependence on innunendo and bullshit by his detractors, that THAT is the real problem with TFC. Daryl would like a whole lot more people to visit the site and listen to the archives, which you rightly praise. His detractors pretend that his whole effort is to "divide" the truth movement.
He has resons for his distrust of Bjerknes, Pike and Condit. He continues to make the material available but thinks there are questions about them. We can agree, disagree, or reserve judgment, but the relentless smearing of TFC by the shills here is transparently dishonest.
Why the kid gloves with Death Cult Jones? Do you really think the Nazis were a death cult? Are their spiritual successors really running things? How does a regular guest on Coast to Coast AM have ANY credibility with anyone here. And then there's Mikey Rivero who wants to be DC Jones' cabin boy. I think Smith is entirely correct to tell people to look/think long and hard at Rivero and others. Again, we are free to agree, disagree, or reserve judgement. As I've said before, Rivero has jack shit on the historical roots of the problem. What he presents could easily be swept up, if ever necessary, as the bad actions of "rogue" Israeli governments.
I'm not enough of a scholar to tweeze through the Rafiq-Pinay-Bjerknes discussion. Your characterization of it may be good, maybe not. I can keep my eyes on the ball without a definitive answer. I will say I'd never heard of hte topic prior to TFC.
Good rant from Daryl today. I wish him and the rest of us well. The anti-Smith crowd here spewed 275 pages on the original thread and never landed a blow. Strictly bullshit and innuendo.
UAZ, Daryl said a long time ago, and it makes sense, that he thought Jewish folks should take a back seat in the 9/11 investigation. He included, with some reluctance, Michel Chossudovsky in that. He never, to my knowledge, called MC an "agent" although it's almost certain that someone has lied about that.
Hope people saw that spineless fluffer, Bill Maher, when Mos Def said he didn't buy the Osama did it bit. Bill shat his knickers and went into immediate damage control the FCUKIN' WORM. He's as low and slutty for the bucks as Michel Malkin.
UAZ,
This is a most excellent blog! Very well thought-out and written. It's nice to see a former DBS/Hufschmid Brownshirter (as I was once) come around!
Would you please elaborate and give us your take on the Daryl Bradford Smith and Eric Hufschmid split?
Have any of you noticed how quiet the dBS/Huffy brigade has been since Bollyn posted Daryl's photo with an explanation of his dissocation from him?
http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10381
And how especially quiet the brownshirters are now that Eric and Daryl have split?
Hohaho, briquette.. and with all due respect, UAZ, the rationale that went into yer blog amounts, in the end (and IMO) to nothing-- about the equivalent of stupettes IQ. A cipher. Something's occured with the Bollyn, and that seems to be all there is to it.
Suzette, I do not know you, or very much about you-- other than that you appear here occasionally to smear the good names of EH & DBS (CB too?); so consequently I feel bad for my sloppy little foregoing blurb-- but only insofar as it stooped to the puerility of name-calling, &c. Please understand and accept my criticisms with all the DUE respect and/ or disrespect that they are justly entitled to. In the case of UAZ, at least, I believe we simply happen to strongly disagree.. I do not know about you (Suzette) however-- you seem to operate with a plain vendetta?
Very well thought out. Usually such long blogs lose my attention. I have never been interested in the DBS/Bollins/TFC/Huffshmid saga.
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But just in case.......
Just call me agent R
UAZ, good to see you back, bro. You've obviously been keeping a keen eye on the TFC saga in your 'absence'.
Your take on it all is such a close representation of my own that I have very little to add, except to say that I think we'll see Hufschmid back on the air with Smith before long, even if it's just for the odd interview. That's my little prediction.
I agree. Bollyn comes out relatively clean, while Smith and Hufschmid are looking more dubious all the time.
This is some really interesting and salient data:
Good work. Although, unfortunately, the data is rendered useless by virtue of your being a Zionist agent for bringing it to our attention.
.. That was really a VERY good interview-- first I've heard by you (p'haps because it's free and mp3-- and not subscribe and torrent, &c.). Anyway, great work-- you and Eric really kicked some arse.
Ahh, but Smith's of yesterday was even better. All three kicked some serious zio-posterior (transition time considered). Is that okay or better? I hope to be able to hear a lot more of you too Og, for the future..&c.
I thought it was an excellent piece, with UAZ's characteristic attention to detail, in-depth knowledge, fairness, and refusal to countenance interpretations that are too speculative. One of the problems with this whole TFC saga is that the weight of evidence against them is so overwhelming, making it a very time-consuming task to document everything and judge what to include and what to omit.
Of course, I used to be a supporter of TFC too, and I used to promote them (in early 2006). As Smith and Hufschmid turned on more and more of their former friends - and note how Smith has the audacity to talk about loyalty in his September 10 audio!! - and as they were caught lying on more and more occasions, it became clear that the reality did not match their rhetoric.
I think Hufschmid and Bollyn were selected and recruited as agents to counter the expected 9/11 truth movement, prior to 9/11 itself. Eric's half-sister Kathyrn married James Murdoch in June 2000, so the 9/11 planners would have been aware of Eric around that time. His nerdy appearance would lend additional ammunition to attacks against him, to further the planners' goal of discrediting the truth movement.
Chris Bollyn was installed in 2000, after being supplied with a very weak cover story about a library banning a book as his pretext for infiltrating The Spotlight, forerunner of American Free Press. Greg Szymanski was another AFP infiltrator who was identified and fired around the same time as Bollyn. Bollyn had already come to the attention of the intelligence services, after marrying a woman named Bosmat who worked for Israeli military intelligence at Herzliya. To see a copy of the email where Chris admits to marrying the Israeli intelligence woman, click on this link.
Incidentally, it is rather telling that Bollyn's supporters feel the need to delete an entire blog at WUFYS, the 1771 thread, in a clumsy attempt to bury Bollyn's admission, which was previously documented at:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1771?page=1#comment-7396
Try clicking on http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1771 and you will see that the thread has been deleted; it simply takes you back to the WUFYS front page. Other blogs, either side of it, which did not have anything particularly incriminating, have been left in place. And I do not believe qrswave would delete an entire thread like that.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1770
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1772
The fact that they feel compelled to have their agent or cult follower delete a blog at Wake Up From Your Slumber demonstrates just how desperate these fraudsters have become.
Having said that, UAZ's theory, that Eric and Daryl started out sincere but were compromised, has merit, offers some advantages of its own, and deserves consideration.
I was suggesting bipolar disorder as a possible "character defects" explanation for the activities of what were then arguably still the "TFC trio", as late as July 30. But I don't think the extreme paranoia and manic sense of being on a mission stands up as the best model for their behavior; they look like agents to me.
Yes, the cult-like aspect of TFC is an important key to understanding the phenomenon and the loyalty exhibited by the followers to their leader. Here's a couple of examples I gave earlier; one has to ask why Smith feels compelled to exhort his followers to volunteer as spammers at forums, when his rivals such as Piper, Duke and Alex Jones do not.
Smith's audio of June 24, 2007 [1:23:29]: "When you see someone trashing the French Connection or Daryl Bradford Smith anywhere on the internet, you know, pipe up and start fighting back for us, so that we can retain the 'quality' reputation that we deserve."
Smith, June 28, 2007 [23:26]: "Fight for us on the internet. When you see someone trying to badmouth us, chime in and say, 'you're liars' and fight them with facts, and say, 'Have you ever gone and listened to any of the facts, have you read the articles?' "
Muhammed Rafeeq could be innocent of wrongdoing. He is more dubious than Andy Hitchcock or Mike Piper, but a less obvious shill than Hufschmid.
Smith was not brought in until much later, and I find the theory of initially being sincere and then being got at, to work best of all with Smith. Maybe the planners always intended to have Smith as a disinfo agent, but when he was originally recruited, he was only informed on a need to know basis, which helped to make him look sincere. Then Smith was forced to go along with Hufschmid's disinfo and agent provocateur tactics aimed at causing mistrust and conflict between the 9/11 truthers and the nationalist movements.
I don't think it's important or even possible to ascertain whether Smith and Hufschmid were installed as disinformation operatives from the get-go or simply 'gotten to' or compromised along the way. For that matter, it's largely irrelevant whether or not they are 'agents' at all; what matters is that they've been identified as disingenuous players who spread disinfo. What's the difference? They've peddled the ridiculous Bollyn-dead, Bollyn-tortured claims and insisted that '99% of the truth movement are agents' -- that's enough to seal the deal right there. Then we have their peculiar and exclusive focus on Ron Paul, with regard to politics.
They've actively sought to monopolise the 'truth' by sowing the seeds of doubt, suspicion and mistrust in the minds of their supporters, turning them away from other valuable sources of information, and insofar as that's the case, they've done more harm than good. The 'information' that their supporters keep telling us to focus on is simply their anchor; their ticket into the market in the first place; the reason we even listen at all. It's what buys them our attention and establishes their credibility. But if we're to judge them by their deeds, and it's supposedly by their deeds that ye shall know them, there can only be one conclusion - TFC is full of shit.
The cult mentality that UAZ refers to is something I've puzzled over for quite some time now. For these people, even now that TFC has all but imploded, Smith and Hufschmid can do no wrong. It's completely irrational. The only other group I've seen exhibit that sort of behaviour are the die-hard Zio-denying Alex Jones crew over at myspace.
A good litmus test for whether someone is a 'follower' or a 'supporter' is how they respond to criticism of TFC (whether or not they come out with name-calling and abuse, ie. irrational, defensive behaviour). Here's an email I received from an Alex Jones 'follower' just recently:
Christians don't get upset when I tell them I don't believe in hell - why should this dude call me a noob for not believing in Jones?
TFC ----->Sergie/Hans/Itzvan! The NKVD/SS/Bolshevicks are going door to door, taking people away!
DRONGO NON PLAYERS AT WUFS------> Dont be so ridiculous! You are paranoid! You are spreading panic! You are dividing the community! Stop! We live in a civilized society and you are not helping with this rubbish!
TFC------> But thousands of priests are missing, we hear gunshots in the night...and on and on...
You fools have no idea what you are up against as I was once a fool.
They will round you up. They will put you in camps. They will make you dissapear.
This is the end game. The end of days. The final showdown.
Who, at a Parisian coffee shop in 1937 would have imagined the chaos and slaughter to come by the end of 1945?
They have everything to lose and they will kill everyone who gets in their way because they know the average person has no idea how evil they can be.
The fact that the majority of you morons post your photo's back and forth to each other as well as your addresses, tells me you will be the first to go in a natural selection process.
The first hot chicky to e-mail you with a pic and promising to visit you in your country will have you divulging your details faster than James Lynton to Nina.
You people are lambs to the slaughter.
No one is perfect, but you lot of Johnny Come Lately's and drug pushers and addicts are a monstrous joke to impossible to believe.
Rounding you lot up will be childs play.
They will place an add in every major newspaper...
"Zionist Fighters Unite!"
They will ask you to attend meetings at HUGE sheds with FEMA Camp out the front and you will go their because it will be a great opportunity to "network".
Lambs to the slaughter.
In the bizarro alternate reality wherein Smith and Hufschmid are synonymous with the truth..
"I want the Smith!"
"You can't HANDLE the Hufschmid!"
COZ, if you think Bollyn came out looking better than Daryl, then I give up on ya dude. He did a 180 turn with nada in the way of explanation. His "I can't be part of a group that promotoes violence..." is an inadequate explanation after the lengthy assoication.
I'm still quite amazed at the faithful here who trot out the Daryl said mean things about Jesus line. Jesus is way beyond being injured by Daryl's bad temper and cursing. Similarly, "the effort" did NOT lose the Eastern Orthodox contingent because of Daryl's email remarks. What a complete fuckin' joke. You folks sound stuck in Tom Delay Christianity if you really believe that crap. Sad. Get some faith people.
Ususal vacuous cackling and wind from Mrs. Bates. Brownshirts! Big idea there Suze. Run with it.
..yah i couldn't agree more, Fester; the constant attacks are way too concentrated to be impartial..
..and look, now a smear attempt on Muhammad Rafiq?
..i'm not saying that TFC didn't bring this upon themselves, but their (mostly eric and daryl) criticisms were spread out pretty far and wide.. imho, their method is to put feathers in the fan to see who is tarred with zionist shit.. imho, it had to be done.
..brownshirts, lol.. and he's our leader, haha.. give it up, it's not a shirt and whoever sees one while they're pointing the finger HAS ONE OVER THEIR EYES!
This seemed strange to me as well, but it might just mean that they found other sources (non-audio) that were just as good. It was TFC that made me aware of the Zionist angle, so perhaps I overrate their files a bit. Maybe this is also the case with yourself.
You've included pretty much everyone they (Daryl & Eric) have not yet "turned against". It is not the guests that have "turned against Daryl", and this can be seen by simply reading the TFC website. As you said, they are "not working investigative journalists", so there's no reason to defame them. It would probably make sense to discredit Kay Griggs, but not doing so serves their "99% agents" theory in that "everyone is a blackmail victim". I'm pretty sure they accused Jimmy Rothstein some time back, so you must take him out if you want to be a good follower.
Yes, that's what I said. Chussodovsky is a Zionist Denier but he has not been outright accused by TFC because he's a "good friend" of Daryl. Yet, they have no problem accusing other former "good friends" -- most of them innocent of any wrongdoing, and much less guilty of Zionist Denial.
I did not give any praise to Alex Jones, if that's what you interpreted. I stated clearly that he's a Zionist agent. I also agree that Mike Rivero's association with Jones is suspicious. But "suspicious" is just that, suspicious. And why do you keep saying "Rivero and others"? The "others" is everyone except themselves.
Where is your common sense, Fester? You have repeatedly stated that you're open to evidence. What evidence would you need to convict, or even suspect, TFC?
Thank you for that, and sorry for not remembering his name. Of course, I doubt Carol Valentine or anyone else is MIA, like Daryl & Eric claim. They're probably just inactive like some of the others in the list.
There's not much I can say about it. I laughed when Poseidon posted a "prediction" that this would happen. I thought he was joking, and he probably was. They'll end up calling each other Zionist agents -- just wait and watch.
Does that mean that you agree that everyone, except those few people in the list, are agents? Are you sure that is "common sense and sound reason"? If so, your "common sense" and "sound reasoning" is best described as "Hufschmidian".
That's very interesting indeed. A few days ago that thread existed. Can users delete their own blog posts regardless of how many comments have been posted? If so, that's stupid and disrespectful to the users who posted comments in the thread. It can be found in the Google cache anyway, so there doesn't seem to be much point in deleting it. I don't have the guts to ask 'Michael.' about it, lest they press the nuke button on me!
That could be explained by TFC as everyone being agents and thus not wanting to spread the information. Since DBS asks his followers to "spread this information", and no one else does the same, that must mean that TFC is the only honest Zionist exposer and everyone else is "dishonest" or "part of the criminal network".
You're absolutely correct that it makes no difference in practical terms: they should be avoided and ignored regardless of whether or not they are agents. The only difference is that, if they are agents, that means that this is the most sophisticated (though not 'biggest') operation the bad guys have ever pulled off. This comment from your good friend Brendon O'Connell may help illustrate my point.
I couldn't've put it better. Well said. Borrowing Hufschmid's analogy, would you eat a soup with maggots? The soup may have a wonderful taste, but even if it had just one maggot you would consider ditching it. And it's not just 1 maggot in this case -- it's 80% maggots and 20% soup.
Where, on TFC? It wouldn't surprise me if that were to happen soon. There is certainly no smear attempt on Muhammad Rafeeq in this thread.
My insufficient yet most heartfelt apologies to Mr. Bollyn and any others who might have rightly taken offense at my erroneous characterization of him somewhere in the thread above (as I believe) as being much to blame in the matter of the TFC squabble, &c. Eric's (god bless him) critique of B's latest piece (9/12) seems just a tad bit more than unreasonable, and seems to provide adequate explication to that unfortunate affair, &c.
This blog has now vanished from the Google cache, which merely takes you to the WUFYS front page as a result of the missing node.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:z7DJCB-qccQJ:www.wakeupfromyourslum...
However, for those who are curious enough to see what this deleted thread contained, I have cached the second page here:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/cache/WUFYSnode1771.htm
That was taken from the live.com / msm cache. To view the actual live.com cache that preserves more of the formatting, look here:
http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=8337988605477&lang=es-US&mkt=es-US&...
Of course, that will shortly disappear.
That page includes Chris Bollyn's email in which he admits to having been married to a woman who worked in Israeli military intelligence. (Her name was Bosmat, and they were married in Puerto Rico. See here for further info.) It also has UnitedAgainstZionism's diagram of how David Rockefeller's and the Bollyns' links to royalty are rather distant.
Or see here where I have hosted the email less CCs:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/bollynisraeliwife.htm
Whoever deleted the blog would have been a Bollyn supporter who has admin privileges at WUFYS. There is one individual who fits the criteria, and who is known to be one of the usual suspects...
This puerile mudfest is becoming very boring indeed, no matter whether the contributions are pro-Bollyn or not, pro-TFC or not. I am not surprised the post and the comment thread were deleted. The infantile rantings they contain bring this site into disrepute.
So whoever deleted it should either put it back up or at least admit that they did it.
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"Money" has no value - people do.
But Sullivan, regardless of whether you personally are interested in the subject matter, there are a lot of others who are. What if there was a blog where you had posted many thoughtful (as perceived by you) comments, and you came back one day and found someone had deleted the whole thing because their own side of the debate had been beaten?
It's practically unprecedented on WUFYS to find an entire blog deleted, like one side of the debate are similar to spoilt children who were losing at a board game and knocked over the pieces in frustration.
As UnitedAgainstZionism said:
I know we ought to be making an effort to move on from discussions on shills, and I just tend to respond to attacks on myself, or post new information. But it now appears that Sullivan is in favor of totalitarian-style censorship, rather than free speech. Speech is free, so long as it's anything that Sullivan approves of.
I only deleted a couple of my blogs, and just because I LIKE BOLLYN, doesn't mean I would delete any damn threads, so SHOVE OFF !!
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I should point out that neither Qrswave nor Jesse are the prime suspect that I have in mind. I know they would not delete a thread, and are about as far from resembling a spoilt child as Bibi Netanyahu is to being a saint.
Poseidon complains about a WUFYS blog entry that has been deleted by "one of the usual suspects" who, he asserts, "would have been a Bollyn supporter who has admin privileges at WUFYS." If the deletion of a blog entry is something that Poseidon the pompous prick feels strongly about and wishes to make an issue, then perhaps he might condemn his psychopathic, drug-dealing, meths-injecting, blasphemous, abortionist team mate and promoter for doing that of which Poseidon protests.
The man whose states that his surname "is not very common", whose IP address can be traced to Paris, and who proposed that I meet with him at a service area on the MI motorway might also explain why a member of his team of brownshirts and retards comes to be in a position whereby he receives "firsthand information" direct from Daryl Bradford Smith.....
Gene 'Two Toes Up!' 'Poseidon' Siskel says:
"I just tend to respond to attacks on myself, or post new information".
I say: I've never seen him post any NEW or relevant or honest information the entire I've been here.
I'll just point out that Crimes of Zion (Linton) merely edited his blog, in common with countless others. Comments in a thread are rarely related exactly to the blog entry; they often diverge to another subject. CoZ did not delete the series of comments, as happened in the 1771 thread. Merely editing a blog is not tantamount to deleting the entire thread and everyone else's comments.
Given that Nobodaddy is part of the lunatic fringe who think I am "Peter Sault", in contrast to photographic evidence, I think it is fair to dismiss his opinions as entirely inconsequential.
I'd like to point out that changing the entire content/ context of a thread but on paragraph (if that was done), long after a series of responses/ comments were recorded to it, &c., potentially bespeaks of as much or more guilt and duplicity than the wholesale extirpation of a blog entry (if that was done). But as I personally derive nothing but some small entertainment value in perusing any of Pete Siskel's or some other's entries anyway, I have no intention of following up on anybody's allegations re: re-writing or deletion of inane blogs, &c.
I could care less who you are sirrah ninnyhammer-- but I have a very good idea who you work with and for. And so farewell.
whice of your "team" leaders started posting at WUFYS first and by how much time? ( PlanetQuo, or Poseidon )?
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Hmmm... now a pile of innuendo bordering on slander spiced up with a bunch of photoshop montages that any highschool freshman would be proud of, qualifies as "subject matter".
Firstly, in reality there is no "Team Po". The concept of Team Po or TeamQuo is sometimes used as an easy way of labelling opposing "sides" in a discussion - or crapfest. (And we are meant to be on the same side, believe it or not!) There also exists a delusion in the mind of Jim Kerr (PlanetQuo) that Jamie Linton (CrimesofZion), Nina (apossumprincess), Suzette (whippette) and myself are a secret Zionist team of infiltrators posing as "anti-Zionists" who have always been in cahoots.
The "teams" should be considered dynamic rather than static. At one time, for example, I thought Suzette the Whippette might be Eric Hufschmid! (I never thought Fester was Hufschmid, though for a time I suspected him of being Daryl Smith.) As for PlanetQuo and Crimes of Zion, when they showed up here - after I'd posted here on and off for over a year - I initially leaned towards CoZ, then got corresponding with Quo and considered him an ally for a while, then I realised that Quo was a nut and CoZ and apossumprincess were not really "Zionist agents" as Quo claims.
Quo perceives himself to be the "leader" of his own "international anti-Zionist operation", able to hire and fire his agents. I have never claimed to be a "leader" of any group. Any alliance of WUFYS posters that is prepared to accept me as a member would be a group of individuals who are free to act unilaterally.
Here is a page at the old wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot where I posted some comments in March 2006:
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/03/simple-math-demonstrat...
PlanetQuo, CrimesofZion, etc, did not start posting here until after Fester started his 1154 DBS Indicted! thread on April 6, 2007.
Could we please get back to the subject of TFC and Bollyn?
There are 3 or 4 other threads about PlanetQuo's delusional ravings and Poseidon's troll-feeding responses.
I await Muhammad Rafeeq's response. He is still doing interviews with DBS, so I assume he has not yet read this thread.
UAZ, you seem to indicate or assume your post bears some great revelatory significanc.Good gad, I'll be demned if I am able to find anything significant or relevant about it at all. Strikes me as a load of posh, to speak plainly. But this is, of course, my own opinion, and I don't begrudge you of your own, &c.
I believe a lot of the 'ridiculous accusations' you refer to have to do with DBS's well-considered and articulated views on racism or supremicism (a noteworthy but destructive side issue, as I myself conceive it), anomolous, cowering ar suspicious behaviors and dubious connections, &c. of the parties accused and/or cited as examples. I do believe also, however, that TFC have more than once been guilty of over-zealousness in pointing them out, or relied too heavily on one another's bents or particular points of views. It will be interesting to see how they each proceed from here, &c.
Poorly stated, but I hope intelligible enough that you may follow.
How can you believe that the people in that list are the only honest truth seekers to have ever existed? This is TFC's position, and if you disagree you are yet another Zionist agent in their 99% estimate.
If you really believe TFC's claims that everyone is an agent, then why are you wasting your time posting on this website that is composed of 99% shills? According to TFC, the only source of real anti-Zionist information is Daryl & Eric's websites, and perhaps 2 or 3 others.
As I pointed out, if you have not been reading and listening to TFC for a long time, you would likely not know the fact that they accuse everyone with a significant presence of being "part of the criminal network". I believe this is the case with Muhammad Rafeeq, as well as with Chris Bollyn.
That is, I believe Rafeeq and Bollyn have not been following TFC's baseless accusations against others, and thus do not realize the extent of TFC's slanderous attacks on everyone in the truth movement.
I don't know what to tell you, because I'm hard-pressed to ascertain the relevance of your 'profound' assertions. They can promote or denounce whomever they deem worthy of promotion or denouncement. And we can agree or disagree with their pronouncements as best we're able, based upon our own opinions, understandings or informations, &c. Realizing the motive, value and source of their pronouncements should be infinitely easier now that they're acting individually, in any event. I have no difficuly understanding why DBS would denounce such people as Maynard, Duke and Bryant, for instance-- altho' I personally don't contemn them and as often as not find their work helpful and/or enlightening, &c.
Again, sorry for the shabby quality of my answer. I had written a little better one but lost it when my wireless connection got interrupted.
..i guess the only real question is: WhO CaReS!
..there are far more important things to wonder about.
..howabout a tournament to see who's the biggest zionist shill shmuel!