Readers may be interested to see a (long) thread I got involved in...

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158547&Disp=All&#C132

...at Liberty Post (I joined in at post #66), on who did 9/11. The protagonist for the official story, a character named BeAChooser, eventually bowed out - over a month later. BAC also tried to defend the Iraq war, and contested the latest estimate of 655,000 dead Iraqis. Whether or not (s)he is a paid shill, it provides useful information about the 'arguments' the other side uses - either points that they have been briefed on, or clues that have been placed for them to find.

For some of the posters, English does not appear to be their first language (it's probably Hebrew?). Yet they are fully aware of the arguments they should be using, such as the after the fact spin consisting of Leslie Robertson saying that the towers were only designed to be hit by a 707 at 180 mph, when in fact John Skilling's team not only concluded that the buildings would survive a 600 mph impact, but would remain standing following a horrendous fire that killed many people after all the jet fuel had been dumped into the building.

It does appear that Christopher Bollyn is an Israeli agent (along with Eric Hufschmid). The planners would have known that their WTC demolition procedure would leave tell-tale signs of a smoking gun, such as molten steel, sulfidated steel, and video evidence of molten iron or steel pouring from the side of a tower in the minutes leading up to collapse. What better than to instal a man whose spoke fair Hebrew and Arabic, who had spent several summers working at a kibbutz, and whose first wife was Jewish - using a cover story about a library banning a book in order to meet Michael Collins Piper and get a job at American Free Press? It does not seem very credible that someone would get so worked up about a banned book (back in 2000), that they would be motivated to join a pro-nationalist newspaper and then spend the next six years writing articles to expose Zionist crimes.

Bollyn would write truthful reports on molten steel and the Israeli connections, but would make some deliberate mistakes such as the 'seismic spikes' and the Sam Danner 'Global Hawk hits Pentagon' hoax. He would also work with the Hoffman Estates police department (and be photographed smiling with them) in a stunt in which he was supposed to have been tasered, denied water whilst in jail, and suffered a minor fracture to an elbow - deliberately changing his story from being tasered in order to be restrained into being tasered whilst restrained. After being fired from AFP, he then spreads all kinds of gossip, such as a claim about Michael Collins Piper having a gay lover named 'Phil' who was Jewish and was Piper's handler at the ADL. The idea was to discredit Bollyn's truthful reports.

So we see supporters of the official story suggesting that reports of "pools" of molten steel are false, becauser Bollyn is a "liar". They will probably be trying to do the same thing with some of the Israeli connections.

Another trick of the pro-Bush pro-Israel types is that they are trying to devise 'it's natural phenomena' theories to account for molten and sulfidated steel. The theories fail, but it shows why thermite was used. With other demolition agents, they'd have had an even harder job persuading anyone that the smoking gun was a natural phenomenon.

a lot about Bollyn being unreliable, but I have not researched it thoroughly.

It seems possible that he works for them - God knows I don't put anything past them, particularly the more sophisticated strategems.

But, it's also important to be very careful not to wrongly accuse people of working for them, since it's such a heinous crime, devastating to the reputation.

On one side of the ideological divide there are people like the BeAChooser character, who blindly support Bush and the Republicans no matter what crimes they commit. The crooks also rely on setting up key figures on the other side, who present themselves as 'anti-Zionist'. The cabal know that some truth-seekers will latch onto these phony leaders, who will go on to develop something of a cult following.

In both cases, the followers end up blindly supporting leaders on purely ideological grounds.

Eric Hufschmid is a prime suspect as a fake 'anti-Zionist' and cointelpro activitist. With connections to Rupert Murdoch, he maintains that 99% of 9/11 truth-seekers are "worthless" and "connected to the criminal network". He even claims that Professor James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, is part of the criminal network. (Although he is right about one st911 member: Judy Wood.)

One possibility is that Bollyn was genuine, and the plot was to separate him and American Free Press by drawing him over to the Hufschmid camp. Bollyn has certainly contributed very fine articles exposing Zionist crimes. But the arrest and tasering story was very dodgy. At first Bollyn wrote that he was shocked and then handcuffed, then on radio shows he changed his story to being shocked after being 'cuffed, so one or both statements were a lie. He seemed on friendly enough terms with the police when he was photographed smiling with them. And I don't believe Bollyn would be silly enough to be duped by Hufschmid and Daryl Setter / "Bradford Smith". He would therefore be working with them.

It's never possible to be certain, and I hope I am wrong about Bollyn. But almost every figure in the movement will be called a shill at some time or other. The only thing we may be sure of is that the divisions are music to the ears of the criminals.

http://oldranger-worthamention.blogspot.com/2006/08/911-for-dummies_8792...

I might as well leap into the fray, before this thread becomes a hopeless tangle, like so much of the recent fiasco over Christopher Bollyn, who is still ( also according to Michael Piper ) without a doubt, America's most outstanding journalist and 9-11 truth seeker, bar none. I believe the very fact that he took precious time out from his own voluminous research and trouble to return one of my e-mails says a lot for his overall character, not to mention his veracity. I will try to keep this simple here, for an "Old Ranger"s sake. The very idea of Christopher, or many other outstanding reporters for that matter, being in collusion with the enemy ( largely thanks to Christopher, today we now know who that enemy actually is..)is another load of it. If you would simply take the time, if you have it, to go back and follow up Christopher's work from the gitgo, you may discover that on almost every single late-breaking story of import to 9-11, Christopher was already there days or month's before. There is simply no way, in my humble estimation, to underestimate the enormous debt that this so-called "truth movement" owes to him. The fact that he consistently outpaced and outfoxed every other ostensible journalist on the block, and had enough cojones to stick his own neck out on that block, should go far in explaining what I believe to be the principal cause of this very unfortunate dissension in the ranks, that being, in a few words, PROFESSIONAL RIVALRY. Many of us, as Americans, have all had a common goal of ferreting out this horrifying nemesis once and for all. But many very accomplished people at the forefront have succumbed to much well earned FRUSTRATION ( after FIVE WHOLE YEARS OF NOTHING BUT LIES !! ) So fine, now, instead of going after this new found threat, they all start going after each other, right ? No, not in Bollyn's case at all, at least not until very recently, when after an extremely harrowing experience for himself and his family, he has instinctively and justifiably stood up in his own defence. To make a long story short,( and that's very difficult in Bollyn's case ) after watching this entire unfortunate scenario unfold from the beginning, I can only submit that this man was targeted precisely because he was getting the hard work done, asking the hard questions, pumping the phones, running halfway around the world on a loose shoestring, and getting REAL NEWS out to the people. This is somewhat more than can be said for all the other "wannabes" and webgorts that lust for a gold ring of truth without putting in the legwork. There's only one other bloke I can think of who can be said to work anywhere near as hard as Bollyn, and you're not gonna wanna hear this folks, but guess who ? And even if his head is halfway up his ass by now, which is understandable, he deserves credit for his HARD WORK, from the very beginning. It's not a wonder this poor guy sees a Zionist under every rock, because MOST PEOPLE are still in a truly frightening state of denial about the whole 9-11 yards of it. Does the sheer ingratitude these guys have gotten for all their individual effort, RIGHT or WRONG, make them ZIONIST AGENTS ? You, with the trident, forget about it. If Rupert Murdoch was my uncle, would that make me a Zionist ? Most people don't even know that Rupert Murdoch IS a Jew, much less a Zionist. As a matter of fact, MOST PEOPLE just love intrigue and don't know JACKSHIT about anything pertaining to their better welfare. So it goes, such are the unwonted vagaries of a modern-day muckraker. And P.S.- You can tell Giuliani that Quasimodo said to shut her little pie hole. ( Don't I know a little red nose reindeer by that name ?)

. . . who can be said to work anywhere near as hard as Bollyn, and you're not gonna wanna hear this folks, but guess who ?"

Did you mention who and I just missed it?

Qrs; My humblest apologies for the following errata. The first, I believe I meant to say "OVERestimate the enormous debt etc., instead of UNDERestimate the enormous debt etc., though it seems to work as well both ways. So I have committed a journalistic sin of duplicitous COmmission, it would seem...And in the latter and more pressing case, I must admit that I willfully omitted the redundancy of mentioning the name of the "bloke" in question, realizing it had already been stated in a previous post. So to be completely HONEST, ( this is where the Truth Will Set Us Free, remember,) I have willfully COmmitted the same grievous sin by which most of the REAL NEWS continues to go unreported in this wonderful free pressed republic of ours, that is, quite succinctly, by simply failing to mention it. Why bother constructing elaborate subterfuges and intrigues ( otherwise known as LIES ) which may trip you up later, when you can just selectively forget to remember to say anything about the matter in question, at all ?? Right ?? WRONG ! I'm afraid I owe you a sincere apology for such a serious transgression, knowing as I do that indeed YOU, YOURSELF are most assuredly one of the most earnest, dedicated and HARD WORKING truth seekers out there today, I do willfully declare unto you, under penalty of confabulation, that I did indeed commit said WILLFUL ACT ( not error ) OF OMISSION, in failing to summarily state to the plaintiff's satisfaction, that that particular entity unto which the aforementioned article refers to as said "bloke" is indeed, and in perpetuity, none other than that pioneering author of "Painful Questions of 9-11", Mr. Eric Hufschmid. There you have it, straight from a horse's arse.

thanks!

I appreciate you "keeping it simple" (?) for my sake but I fail to see where I have maligned Christopher Bollyn. Here's a news flash, other than having read about his alleged troubles with his hometown police and loss of his position, I don't know much of anything about him. Sorry to burst your bubble there. All '911 for dummies' is is a piece for the less technical among us. I have no recollection of mentioning Bollyn there, or for that matter anywhere else, at all.

I will say, so that you can feel justified in making it simple for me, I read Bollyn's reports of his ordeal with a tad of skepticism and I don't feel that a returned e-mail would warrant considerations of great character.

I fear that I have found that he and his alleged attack bear a lot more research to be believeable but I certainly don't assault his integrity in the 911 truth movement. Actually, I haven't found him interesting enough to even warrant further research on my part.

If you find his name in any post I have made then let me know.

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Eric Hufschmid has recently made a good video...

http://judicial-inc.biz/Huffschmidt_movie.htm

...in which he defends jailed and assaulted historical revisionists. He makes an excellent suggestion: that the Zionists should stop behaving like violent fanatics, and start behaving like respectable humans. The problem is, he has been claiming that Germar Rudolf and other jailed revisionists were "working with the Zionists"...

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Separating_truth_from_lies.htm

..which is patently absurd. Note that Murdoch's Fox network broadcast a documentary on the fake "Apollo moon landings were a hoax" conspiracy theory in February and March 2001 in preparation for 9/11, with the aim of tarnishing 9/11 skeptics as "kooky paranoid conspiracy theorists". Hufschmid promotes the same nonsense, and claimed that Germar Rudolf was a "liar" for coming to the opposite conclusion - either because Rudolf's scientific expertise was better than Hufschmid's, or because Rudolf did not share Hufschmid's political agenda

And Eric has even suggested that Professor James Fetzer (who Daryl Bradford Smith calls "Fester"), founder of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth organization, is part of the Zionist criminal network...

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Michael.html

According to this theory, Fetzer must have deliberately set up the st911 group with incompetent scholars who would not do a proper job in exposing the criminals, and would fail to spot the Israeli connection. Hufschmid also speculates that Michael Zebuhr was murdered by the Zionists. Eric does correctly identify Professor Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds as a couple of the st911 infiltrators.

Eric claims that American Free Press has been "infiltrated" by Zionists, with the result that Bollyn's articles are being censored. If this is so, it is strange that they should wait for almost 5 years and allow Bollyn to write so many exposes.

But the implications of Hufschmid's theories would be that 99% of 9/11 truth-seekers are Zionist agents, including or along with James Fetzer, Germar Rudolf, David Irving, Ernst Zundel, David Duke, Michael Collins Piper, Willis Carto, John Stadtmiller, Christopher Petherick, Victor Thorn, Lisa Guliani, Dylan Avery, Mike Rivero, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, etc, plus a few true disinfo agents that he names. Some of these 'agents' were exposing and opposing Zionism long before 9/11, and others have gone to jail for their efforts and beliefs. Eric has drawn a flow chart here...

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html

...naming some of the above.

Another theory is that Eric has suffered a sort of breakdown and has temporarily lost his grip on reality. But then we have the question of Christopher Bollyn's integrity. If the "mental breakdown" theory holds, then both Bollyn and Hufschmid would have to be victims. Both of them were supposedly suckered by the Sam Danner "Global Hawk" hoax. And if only Eric is ill, then Bollyn should not have been lured over to his camp. And Bollyn's 'mistake' about "spikes" in the seismic record as the towers started to collapse would have to be a genuine error, along with the coincidence of the convenience it lends our opponents in discrediting Bollyn's reports of pools of molten steel in the basements of WTC 1, 2 and 7.

A good thread with in-depth analysis of the Christopher Bollyn case can be found at the Signs of The Times forum:

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2887&p=1

This is quite essential reading for those trying to understand what has been happening with Bollyn.

For more background from another perspective, it is worth downloading some of Piper's shows here...

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Piper06.html

...and listening to some relevant parts concerning Hufschmid and Piper. One can then reach a judgement about who is more likely to be lying - Piper or Hufschmid.

If you want to go right back to the Sam Danner affair, that is from July to early August (the narrative at the above link shows which dates to listen to). The Bollyn arrest and assault followed hard on the heels of the Danner fiasco. Thursday August 24 is a program that sparked things off. At around 25:00 minutes, Bollyn is asked whether he thinks his employers - American Free Press - have been infiltrated by Zionists and whether he denounces Eric and Daryl as liars. At 26:20 minutes, Piper weighs in and confirms that he does denounce Eric Hufschmid and Daryl Bradford Smith (as "liars" and "parasites"), and then Bollyn continually refuses to defend his employers by saying whether he thinks they have been infiltrated, or to say anything against Hufschmid.

Friday August 25 has Eric calling in to the show (34:20 minutes). He doesn't have any defense to Piper's refutations of claims that AFP "censored" Bollyn's articles, except to say (35:18 minutes) that he made a mistake. Hufschmid doesn't come across at all well in this confrontation. The Thursday 31 August broadcast concerns what Piper calls "The Hufschmid Conundrum" (he launches into it in detail soon after 35:00 minutes).

On the Monday September 11 show, Piper is still supporting Bollyn - and pointing out (at about 11:00 minutes) that Bollyn is on the ADL's hit list (so he must be doing a good job). Piper talks more about Hufschmid (from 18:00 minutes), saying that Eric's operation is a modern-day equivalent of a 1960s ADL-FBI cointelpro operation known as "Deguello", which was designed to divide and discredit leading figures in the nationalist movement. At about 50:00 minutes, Piper says that there is almost a cult following (behind Hufschmid and Smith/Setter).

Friday September 15 is another show where (18:00 and 37:30 minutes) Piper repeats the point about Hufschmid and Smith developing a cult following, adding (at 37:50) that "new people who don't know anything about it will believe what they say". At 19:00 minutes he talks about how a lot of good, decent people have "become entranced" by Hufschmid and Smith. At 36:25 minutes, a caller - Mark Glenn - offers another theory: "Hufschmid and Smith - they're lunatics ... they're just nuts".

In the Tuesday October 10 broadcast, Piper talks about American Free Press firing Christopher Bollyn and reads out (34:00 minutes into the show) and comments on the email that Chris Petherick sent to Bollyn, firing him. This included a quote of the ancient Roman legal maxim: falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus .

The Wednesday November 1 show soon goes into Piper talking about Bollyn's latest claim that Piper has a homosexual lover named Phil, who is a Jew, who is Piper's handler for the ADL.

One theory holds that almost everyone in the 9/11 truth movement (apart from Hufschmid, Smith and Bollyn) are working for the Zionists, and so are jailed historical revisionists and nationalist types who have been accused of being anti-Semitic white supremacists.

A second theory has Hufschmid and Bollyn both suffering some sort of breakdown, and teaming up together. In both of these theories, Hufschmid's connection to Murdoch and Bollyn's ties to Israel are just coincidence, rather like the official story claims about Larry Silverstein, Dov Zakheim, and the "dancing Israelis" being linked to 9/11 and to Israel.

According to the third theory, most truth-seekers are genuine, but a trillion-dollar crime on the scale of 9/11 would include the installation of some disinformation agents to muddy the waters. Hufschmid and Bollyn were two of the principals who were promoted and provided with some important scoops. One was supplied with a limited hangout book and video that raised "Painful Questions" and exposed "Painful Deceptions" (but not about Zionism). His goal was to divide and distract honest researchers. Another was fed a lot of genuine information about Zionist connections to 9/11 before other researchers got to find out, allowed to photograph David Rockefeller at the Bilderberg conference, and named on the ADL's hit list to enhance his credibility. His role was as a fall guy, a strawman who could be knocked down by Zionists attempting to deny the physical evidence of WTC demolitions (e.g. molten steel) and Israel's connections to 9/11.

I favor the third theory, but am always willing to consider alternatives.

Hey there, Old Ranger! and Poseidon! I just wrote you guys the equivalent of a Homeric Ode to "Simplicity", and the connection timed out and dumped everything. Musta been the will of the gods...anyway, Poseidon's got the Homeric end of the 9-11 waterfront pretty well covered there, and just reading it really pooped me out. One thing I wanted you to know, Old Ranger, is that I could'nt conceivably bear you any malice aforethought for anything you posted other than the header on this blog, because that's all I honestly ever read, I'm sorry to say. I was only referring to your title of "9-11 Simplicity" verbatim as a reference point for "trying to keep it simple for your", or anyone elses sake, ya dig ? It instantly brought to my mind that venerable K.I.S.S. rule, and we all know what that is, DON'T WE ?? I look forward to investigating your blogspot at further length when I grab my second wind. One thing I said before, that bears repeating here, is this: SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL LISA GIULIANI TO SHUT HER LITTLE RHUBARB PIE HOLE !!! p.s. I feel bad that nobody told me who that little red reindeer was...and Old Ranger, check this out with Victor Hugo, it's QuasimoDo, not QuasimoTo, thanks.

Quozz, I generally make a point of copying text to the clipboard and saving in Notepad; it's frustrating to lose hours of work. But I still forgot to copy one piece I was working on last week, and had to rewrite the last couple of hours' worth after accidentally closing the browser window!

This is a good link on the Santa reindeers...

http://www.novareinna.com/festive/deer.html

Rudolph is the most memorable, but wasn't created until 1939. And of the original eight, Donder become generally known as Donner.

Rudolph Giuliani was one of the villains of 9/11. Along with Netanyahu, he is also linked to the London bombings, and was in Yorkshire the day before, where three of the "suicide bombers" reportedly lived. Someone had to plant the 'evidence' in Yorkshire, and buy plastic tubs from a Leeds garden centre to obtain a receipt which could then be 'found' in pristine condition at one of the blast sites. But the Lisa of Wing TV spells her name as Guliani.

9/11 was a highly sophisticated, complex crime, many years in the planning. For instance, Dov Zakheim was at SPC from 1997 to 2001, in order to organize the necessary hardware - transceivers for the remote control of several Boeings.

On October 31, 1999, EgyptAir 990 - a Boeing 767 - crashed into the Atlantic, off Nantucket. The operation provided several benefits for Zakheim and his Zionist partners: (i) The rabid rabbis and racial supremacists got to carry out a trial run, proving that the technology could be used to remotely take over an aircraft in flight - wresting control from the pilots. (ii) Israel got to murder 33 Egyptian army officers. (iii) The 9/11 propaganda planners were provided with an opportunity to promote the idea of "Muslim suicide pilots".

Simple and complex presentations complement each other. I have seen those trying to do a simple presentation making mistakes like saying that freefall time for the WTC tower collapses was 12 seconds, the collapse time was 10 seconds, therefore explosives must have been used to bring about a faster than freefall collapse. From:

t = SQR(2 * h / g)

where t is in seconds, h is the height in feet and g is 32.17 ft/sec^2, the freefall collapse time is only 9.222 seconds from 1368 feet, or 8.637 seconds from 1200 feet. And although the 911 commission quotes 9 or 10 seconds for one of the collapse times, video evidence is not that conclusive, and many official conspiracy theorists will not accept such a low collapse time.

But there are simple ideas to convey, such as the fact that a hydrocarbon fire cannot produce the required temperatures to melt steel; hence, cannot account for the observed pools of molten steel. The mass media are also very keen to avoid showing the collapse of WTC 7. And Hani Hanjour managing to aim the bottom of the engines to 2 feet off the ground, plus or minus 2 feet as he reached the Pentagon facade, is equivalent to an unskilled operator launching a missile to the Moon at 82,400,000 mph which leaves 10.4 seconds to make in-flight adjustments to the bearing. And that's assuming the Moon has been shrunk to only one-twelfth of its actual radius, with either way off the center equivalent to the plus or minus two feet at a mile. And unlike the missile launcher who could carefully line up with an eyepiece beforehand whilst on terra firma, Hanjour is being thrown about in a plane, experiencing minimum lateral forces of at least 1/2g and probably peaking at some 2g, and also had to get the correct roll and yaw as well as the pitch on his Boeing 757 debut.

Wikipedia had a very balanced entry for Dov Zakheim; in fact it looked like it could have been written by a 9/11 skeptic. They have now edited it, but the old version can still be seen here at answers.com:

http://www.answers.com/topic/dov-zakheim

The Wiki entry was modified on Nov 6, and before that on Oct 24 according to the Google cache. In the latest Wiki entry here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_S._Zakheim

...they have removed the part about being an ordained rabbi, removed the part about System Planning Corporation specialising in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems, removed the part mentioning the WTC attacks, removed the part about him being a member of PNAC, and now they're suggesting that the missing $2.6 trillion was lost by the previous Administration and Zakheim actually helped to find most of it.

The judicial-inc.biz site shows him as CEO of SPC International Corp from 1997 to 2001; that was the subsidiary company that specialised in political, military and economic consulting. Other bios show him as corporate vice president of System Planning Corporation from 1987 to 2001; that is the Arlington, VA-based technology company. So either 9/11 was being planned back in 1987, or, more likely, Zakheim had the idea of using remote-controlled aircraft. Or it could have been someone else's idea, and they made the most of Zakheim's connections.

That's some harpoon ya got there, Posie, wit da finely honed points, eh ? How did a heavy hitta like you eva get hooked up wit da trademark on sugarless gum, anyhow ? I feel so much better now that you found my little red reindeer ! And to top it off, you even found Little Red Riding Hood, wit da Rhubarb Pie, already ! Did ya tell her what Quozzy said, already ? Hey, forget about it, already... at least she ain't afraida da Big Bad Wolfowitz. As for those deer little reindeer, I always liked Donder the best, anyway, cuz he rhymes wit Ponder, and Yonder. And this Gooly Annie, hey, what a handle, eh ? Funny she actually pronounces it like Julie Annie, eh ? If dat's da troof, I'll hafta tell Tony, heh, she's no Pie-Zan o' mine ! Hey, Po! have I got a hot link for you ! Check out da first ten minutes of Marc Levin's HBO doc entitled "Protocols of Zion" at Google Video for a great routine on the JEWLIANI bit. Totally hilarious, I almost dropped my pizza. Anyhow, it looks like our deer little Rudy mighta driven his sleigh into Building #7, eh ? Tough act to follow...ol'Gene Autry didn't write that song about 'im fa nuttin'. Santa's gonna be mighty pissed when he finds out ! p.s.- many thanks for the links, and posting back to da "9-11 Simpleton"

Quozzy, since reports of your death at Our Lady were found to be rather premature, maybe you should be employing your skills at rescuing to save Saddam from the gallows, or better still, try to ensure that Dubya joins him for signing over 150 death warrants whilst governor of Texas and killing 655,000 Iraqis whilst US president.

I have only been using the handle since about March. Pos enjoyed quite an autonomy within his domain, and his control over earthquakes is linked to the concept of earth-shattering information and ideas.

I don't think anyone should imagine that I'm Victor Thorn; his style is different to mine, and I haven't ever seen him doing the sort of calculations about energy, temperatures and forces that I do. I have now arrived at a worst-case mean figure of 625 C for the WTC fires' gas temperatures. That is based on the idea that an equilibrium point is not so hot that too much heat would be radiated from the products, hence lowering the temperature, and it is not so cold that very little heat would be radiated out and therefore the temperature rise would be a greater proportion of the adiabatic increase.

Thorn has achieved a first by putting together a hardcopy compilation of Israel's role in 9/11, but apart from that I don't think Wing TV's material is all that good. It's not obvious that they are shills, but they could be. They go to the FBI or police at the drop of a hat; they make suspicious suggestions like having all truth-seekers sign up for a centralized site. Ideally, a theory would not have to propose that a very great number are shills, but it would not be surprising if the number was quite high due to the sheer scale of the crime of the 21st century.

Some might suspect you of being that Sonny Crack character.

Of course, The Protocols of Zion was a genuine plot for world domination. It was only false in the sense that not all Jews were party to it; it was just a few rabid rabbis, raving Zionists and Rothschild toadies. The ordinary Jews were drawn into it, often without being aware of what was happening.