Getting Results
Last week was the six year anniversary of 9/11. I decided to show my support to the 9/11 truth movement down in San Diego, and I waved a few signs and passed out a few fliers, and I was surprised to see a positive reaction from so many people passing by. I was also happy that despite pulling out the Osama card, and saying were kicking ass in Iraq, the public still seems to be unmoved, the old tricks don't work, and six years later 9/11 truth or "conspiracy theories" have made the anniversary of 9/11 controversial, no longer will this date be seen as a boost for government lies. From now on, the media and people everywhere will have to be confronted on 9/11 with a growing number of people who don't think that fire can cause a building to collapse at free fall speed into its own footprint with its concrete turned to dust and the steel into a molten pool.
Yet at the same time, it was more difficult than before. I know too much now, and most of the truth groups shy away from other serious issues, like the holocaust and the links to Israel in the 9/11 attacks.
I have come a long way from questioning 9/11 in late 2005 to understanding the scope of the problem into 2007. I admit that it was TFC that brought me to this site, although I had only been listening to TFC from May of this year. It was a good show, many of the interviews were very informative. I especially liked Eustace Mullins, Pidcock, Mohammed Rafiq and other researchers who with their calm intelligent style really opened my mind to facts I would have rejected outright.
Finding out the truth has not been easy, and not a day goes by when it does not bother me. I was surprised to learn that the only evidence of the holocaust was eyewitness accounts, and confessions extracted by torture. I had no idea that the numbers at Auschwitz had been lowered by three million, and yet the six million number remained. I did not know that the supposed gas chambers had no traces of Zyklon B. I found David Cole's work very enlightening, little did I know that there were jews who questioned the holocaust.
The Holohoax is such a tough truth because it is so deeply rooted in our society. We are taught early on, at a very young age about it, we are taken to museums, many people I know have visited the camps as well. Belief in the holocaust is stronger and debated less than religion in this country. It is the secular religion of our time.
When I investigated it myself, I found the same thing I did when I first looked into 9/11. One side was trying to make reasonable arguments, while the other side basically resorted to name calling, if they did try to argue back it wouldn't answer the claims it would merely come back with hypothetical questions. I have recently changed my opinion about the no planes theory, after watching September Clues, and a few other good videos on YouTube coming out of bsregistration. Intially I hated the no-planes theory and came out smearing it with profanity. I have no come to my senses, and realize that well there is a lot of good evidence that suggests the planes were fake, as crazy as it sounds.
I also have come around to the exotic weapons theories, that could have been used in conjunction with Thermate, as Masher1 on this site has done a good job getting those facts out.
Of course it is also a simple fact that jews dominate the media especially here in the U.S. nor is it far fetched to point out the influence of AIPAC, the ADL, and the mostly jewish neo-cons who have had considerable influence in our foreign policy.
No these things are too much for the 9/11 truth organizers, who tend to be leftists, and put the blame on Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, Oil.
Unfortunately when debating with people these truthers forget to deal with the other person's frame of reference. I feel that the time when it was easier to convince people of 9/11 has passed, and if we want to press forward with this and other truths we are going to have to be smart about it.
For instance, I heard a person come up to the group, and although he said he thought we had some interesting things to say he still had some questions. "How come the media hasn't exposed these things?" Truly a dumb question from our frame of reference, but for the average person this is a legitimate question, another variation goes like this "Well the liberal media hates Bush, so if Bush was behind 9/11 they would be all over it." To this one of the "truthers" said that media was in on it, and that they are covering it up. Now this may be true, but it is not going to convince anyone.
My method would be different I would say that the media has covered many of the anomalies in the 9/11 story, but has failed to follow up or analyze these things, instead it has taken the easy route and decided not to challenge the government, just like so many of us. I would then go on to describe the ISI connection, the hijackers sowing up alive, the passport that survived the plane crash and collapse, and how the press did have these questions raised, but as the news cycle pressed on, these things were forgotten, and they are now vetted to the official line. Of course the truth I believe is that the videos were fake, but you can never argue that with someone, unless you have the videos on you.
The facts need to get out, not only about 9/11 but everything, perhaps most important is the income tax, federal reserve fraud, or fractional reserve banking, or usury. I am big on the truth and the facts, but I also like to see results, but in order to do this we may have to start playing by their rules. Start a blog somewhere and "debunk" 9/11 while at the same time bringing out very good bits of evidence about 9/11, but also stressing what to do, what to change, in regards to our foreign policy, or monetary policy. Since many views have been marginalized it makes it tough to break through with people on any facts. "You believe we landed on the moon right?" Yes these people want to disregard everything you have to say, not on the basis of your evidence but on their own presumptions about history.
I find the dialogs of Socrates helpful, in which instead of disagreeing with others, you at least act like you agree with them, only to then ask little questions that will gradually break down their belief system.
Its tough, but I would recommend not giving up on anyone. These criminals are losing the information war, the truth catches on fast, and more importantly it doesn't go away. I see more and more discussion about the Fed and even Israel. I am optimistic that positive change will occur. I see the anti-war left and "conspiracy theorists" coming closer together as the gatekeepers can't hold them back for much longer. I see that the possibilities of another false flag attack or an attack on Iran as increasingly unlikely, as people are beginning to wake up. Someone needs to reach out to the left and urge cooperation to stop the war, arrest the war criminals, and root out the corruption in our government and media. Perhaps the left should reach out to the growing "truth movement" and say, well we don't agree on 9/11 but, we can work together to bring the change we both want to see. I would be okay with that, I want to see results.
There own frame of reference
Although a different kind of site (for beginners) could work, which follows the style you mentioned here ->
"I find the dialogs of Socrates helpful, in which instead of disagreeing with others, you at least act like you agree with them, only to then ask little questions that will gradually break down their belief system."
What I do is talk on other sites using their own frame of reference and slang to convince them.
Although I don't lie about my views on any website, I just change the way I talk. For example if you're on a site which likes to bash Muslims and Islam, just substitute Muslims for towelheads or something like that, otherwise they won't take your post seriously. But I don't like to bash Islam no matter what, so when talking about Islam I just refer to its followers (towelheads).
Also don't forget to write Islam, Muslims etc without capital letters and Americans with capital letters.
Stress the fact that your point of view is the best option for your country.
Talking about 9/11 without mentioning 9/11
When talking about 9/11 it is better to first just not mention it is about 9/11. For example I showed a structural engineer the videoclip from WTC7 without saying it was WTC7 and asked him his opinion on how it fell down. He replied it was done with demolitions. Only after that I showed him it was WTC7 which collapsed on 9/11. I got no reply after that but I estimated that was the best I could do with that person.
Don't say that!
Also what ever you do (to beginners), don't mention zionists or Jews. People are preprogrammed to flip when hearing that.
Only show them the newslink to the dancing Israelis or something like that after showing them WTC7.
Socrates methods, in my opinion, are the ones the Macchiavellian Neocons use and the Zionist trolls, who pretend to be Antisemites.
You see, the people you cannot convince to at least consider your opinion, if it is presented in a rational and non-aggressive way are most often people who are either paid for their pro-war stance or they do it, because of their fervent belief in Zionist ideology, even if they pretend to be Gentiles.
They are a part of the Israeli propaganda effort.
I even met some of this type on German discussion boards.
They spoke perfect German but their pro-war attitude was presented in a way, no person living in Germany would ever talk.
The way of trying to agree with people, when you do not agree at all, might give you a their attention for a short while, but after while they will notice your subterfuge and your game-playing.
And believe me, what honest people hate the most, is dishonest game-playing.
All honest people will in the long run accept the evidence on 9/11. For many however it is such a big paradigm shift it will take a while, even longer than those 6 years now.
9/11 truth is not a lost cause.
Even while many people just go back to work as normal and might pretend it doesn´t bother them, it will nag at their conscience.
It will especially nag all the basicly honest people in the media who are being told to forget about the truth.
It will nag honest soldiers and officers.
It will nag some politicians as well.
And as we speak, there is some power struggle going on in the highest circles of economy and politics.
And it does show some results. In Germany Frau Merkel, the resident top Neocon, is being put on a leach. She is not allowed to promote a war against Iran, any more.
(This, of course, let to the first pedophiles in German governmental circles scandal, by a newspaper from Neocon controlled Polland telling the world Germany promotes pedophilia.
It´s very similar to when the Vatican opposed the Iraq war and showed solidarity to the Palestinians.)
We´ll see how this will play out.
As for the no-planes, I believe you are very much mistaken on this one. As a scientist you surely can understand, that a video proves nothing nowadays.
And why should they use exotic weapons, if we it is proven that there are traces of thermate to be found.
I´m curious, do you have your own website?
Or can you show the links to the sites you are posting on.
Well I don't have a website, and most of my conversations with people have been in person. Although I do find problems with the videos, and ample evidence for TV fakery, such as the looping of live video, the apparent 17 second delay, the impossibly fast speed of the aircraft and bizarre cuts in the Naudet film. As for how exactly the towers were brought down, that may remain a mystery, what is obvious is the absurdity of the pancake collapse theory.
This is another post I made in a hurry, I apologize as sometimes it may come out a bit sloppy.