President Ahmadinejad had his hands full, swatting away loaded questions and hostile interviewers, yet he still kept his cool and did manage to question the Bush/Cheney cabal's version of 9/11.

If there was any doubt that a handful of influential people control the American MSM, which they use for their own ends, that doubt has been pushed aside the last few days.

Both the CBS "60 Minutes" interview with Ahmadinejad, that was both haughty and arrogant in its tone and the not so veiled accusations against Ahmadinejad that were plastered across the New York papers had the air of asking someone if they had stopped beating their wife.

The American MSM has been foaming at the mouth the last couple of days over the visit, barely able to contain itself as it falls all over itself, with each form of media trying to one-up the other in painting Ahmadinejad as some sort of evil incarnate.

Strangely enough, they never mention the part of Ahmadinejad's speech at Columbia where he brought up the plight of the constantly under siege Palestinians, who Israel has mandated that they will be the ones to pay for all past transgressions, real or perceived, against Israel.

And for Columbia's president to cite the Council on Foreign Relations(CFR) research as a basis to attack Ahmadinejad is beyond absurd.
In the past, the CFR has devoted pages to right-wing religious nut cases like Pat Robertson and the still at large and wanted by Chile war criminal, Henry Kissinger.

Whatever one thinks of Ahmadinejad, they have to give the Iranian president high marks for keeping his cool and not going ballistic by not taking the bait, which was offered numerous times the last few days in the form of leading and loaded questions and hostile interviewers.

i'd like to see that Zionist bitch from "60 Minutes" take the same tone when interviewing the Smirking Idiot Chimp.

The SS--secret service--goon squad would grab his ass and toss Pelley out of the room in no time.

From the transcript of Columbia University:
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If the root causes of 9/11 are examined properly -- why it was happened, what caused it, what were the conditions that led to it, who truly was involved, who was really involved -- and put it all together to understand how to prevent the crisis in Iraq, fix the problem in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.
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I suppose that this begs the question, what type of research has your government done on 911? Could you share with us some of your governments information? Unfortunately, the questions are rather vague and the responses are very general. Another observation, if the current war on terror is the result of 911 and Iran is looking down the barrel of a nuclear gun as a result of the war on terror then why would Mr. Ahmadinejad not expose the whole lie? Here is another question, if the American government is serious about terror and Ahmadinejad is a terrorist why not just assassinate him? I sure they could find some nut that was up to the task. Anyway this was a very transparent dog and pony show.

Does anyone have a link to the entire event? All I can find are bits of it on youtube and that makes it hard to follow.

Anyone have a copy from start to finish as one file? Thanks

Profound and brilliant insights LatinAmericanview, and extremely worthy of our most serious consideration, if not immediate acceptance, &c.

Here is the link to President Ahmadinejad's Columbia Speech in full

It is 1 hour 21 minutes long and is from the C-SPAN broadcast, so you don't have to endure FOX news propaganda scroll at the bottom of the screen.

Here is the link to President Ahmadinejad's Columbia Speech in full

It is 1 hour 21 minutes long and is from the C-SPAN broadcast, so you don't have to endure FOX news propaganda scroll at the bottom of the screen.

Something is causing multiple posting of comments. I see it just happened to Reader's comment also. Please remove the second copy of the speech link. Thanks.

it is a bit ridiculous that some of you blame Iranian "evil dictator" for not posing more painful questions about 911. First of all Iran has nothing to do with 911 and yet somehow in a twisted western minds he is inertly scapegoated for that just because he dared to stand up to western Zionist hegemony over ME. Those questions should be raised in white house and congress by the representatives of the American people. He did not want to ask or directly accuse US neocons of false flag attack on twin towers. Ordinary ignorant Americans are already not in favor of Iran and its president (due to false zio propaganda) and for him to publicly accuse elected representatives of American people for staging terrorist attack against their own would be too much to swallow on such an emotional issue where thousands of people vanished in horrible way. He knew that would not serve his agenda of making American people to reconsider official theory behind 911. It is US citizens that have to raise such direct questions and call for accountability those who were in charge of US national security on 911. What the heck are you expecting from him? You doubt him although he has done publicly more to expose zionist conspiracy than all the bloggers together. It is not Iran's fault that you have morons for leading your countries and political prostitutes posing like your representatives in government. Where is the rest of the free world asking this questions about holocaust and 911. Only Chavez dared to publicly accuse US neocons of imperialism and crookedness. Where is EU, Canada, China, Russia what happened with the rest of the world. They all have access to net and video documentaries about flaws in official 911 theory. Give him a break. If I was there and that ziopig Bollinger called me petty dictator I would show that microphone into his dirty lying mouth. Those Muslims terrorist would eventually rid this world of Zionism and imperialism because if they wait for western patriots to do it well Judgment Day would come sooner than that. You know what Kundalini, you should grab that book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" and call Makow and ask to be heard next year on Columbia. We would be very supportive of your straight forward questions.

"Let there be Light!"

Well and truly said Traveller. Not to mention Iran's president would undoubtedly like to make it out of this country in one piece as quicly as possible, &c.

(An' if I seem/ sound paradoxical in my admittedly often half-baked and parboiled commentaries, I hope the fault might be equally attributed to the contrarieties found in most of the subjects and the subject matters.)

This man had obviously thought about every thing he had determined that he would give nothing to the zeos, they were waiting like wolves for him to slip up, but he manged very well. If he had accused the establishment of complicity in 911 then the zeos would label him a terrorist sympathiser along with a number of other handy labels that they've reserved for any one who speaks the truth. They would have loved it but he deprived them of it but he did stress the questions pertaining to 911 in such a manner as to make it abundantly clear that he was not buying the US goverment's argument.

He is a truth seeker you can be sure he will come out with the truth-when the time is right-when he has enough evidence-They've captured a number of Arabs fleeing Afghanistan and from thase people I'm sure they've gotten a fair idea of who was behind it and how it was pulled off. He's kept that for the right time-I'm sure.

Anti zionists is a wide spectrum of people who look at Ahmadinejad as a hope because he is in the international spotlight. The spectrum goes from devout religious (moslem, christian, Judaic, ...), non-religious, spiritual (like myself), to anti-religious, atheists, socialists, nihilists, academics, on and on. All of us would like him to be, to say, and to do some thing that pleases "our" faction a little more. As if he is walking on a very sharp edge that we hope he soon falls on "our" side, but he doesn't and keeps walking.

This makes a lot of people wonder if he has an agenda well scripted and trained to do it, and may be he is not what we think he might be. Regardless of what the truth is, we have to remember he doesn't owe any of the people he seems to be defending ANYTHING.

He is not selling a DVD, or a bridge, or asking for investment in Kish Island, or asking to sign the global warming commitment, or asking people to convert, ..., that we have to scrutinize his claims about the product. If he helps, great, if not, he will be the last on the long list Traveller mentioned who care less about our concerns.

One more thing: I think his comment about homosexuals will become the third of headlines describing him: Myth, wipe off map, and homosexuals don't exist. This is already in the making. Media is knowingly chopping off the last part of his comment: We don't have homosexuals in Iran[, the way you have it here]. And I think he is accurate in that. Homosexuals don't exist as sociologically identifiable minority, the same way we don't recognize short-fat-bald men as a sociologically identifiable minority. They are a minority in the countries that mongurks have a majority-like influence. This is the same tool they used in communism by creating "proletariat" as asociologically identifiable "class".

9/11 is the weakest point of the Zionist Power Configuration. All the research that's been done on this makes it easy to rip the Zionist propaganda into shreds. 9/11 Truth can cause the entire Zionist edifice to collapse like a house of cards. It's high time world leaders educated themselves. There is absolutely no reason for people like Ahmadinejad to hold back, and no excuse for being insufficiently informed. We need to go for the jugular. Now. There may not be a second chance.

I think that Ahmadinejad said enough about 9-11. He certainly did allude strongly to the fact that Americans needed to do further research on 9-11, that 9-11 will never be a dead issue.....he didn't say in THOSE exact words, but quite close enough. I was paraphrasing again.

Don't worry...9-11 will not go away. It is no where near a done subject like the USS Liberty. Of course the USS Liberty has been resurrected time and time again, but not on such a grand scale....... 9-11 here to stay and the number of inquiring minds is growing.

Ahmadinejad and every other political leader dance around the truth. They never drive the stake through heart. We, "the masses" foam at the mouth whenever we think that the decisive moment has come. Our minds are oppressed! We want to assert that objective realty exists! We want the world to a knowlegde that 2+2+=4. We want the world to declare that Hydrocarbon fires can not bring down a steel building. The reason Ahmadinejad is important is because he can validate our perceptions of the world. Since Ahmadinejad can't betray his interests or his class then I thought at least he would declare that 911 was a false flag attack since the drum of war currently beats for his country! The assumption is that the consent of the America people is necessary to attack Iran and presumably if Americans became aware of who really was responsible for 911 then they would not attack another helpless nation. However, Ahmadinejad took this most valuable opportunity to share with the most elite group of students in the world (future world leaders) a story of Adam. I suppose that Ahmadinejad could not explain why Iranian oil is now denominated in euros and not dollars. I suppose this is to complicated for his audience. Ahmadinejad played the part of Goldstien. Hell the whole thing was like the "Two Minute Hate."

ANALYSIS: The clear loser from Ahmadinejad's visit is Israel

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visit to Columbia University in New York on Monday resulted in one clear loser: Israel.

In his speech, Ahmadinejad took aim at Israel. If he managed to convince one person of his views on Israel and Zionism, then he has already gained. If he managed to persuade 50, then he has gained even more.

For months, Israel worked fervently to prevent what happened on the podium Monday. For the duration of his speech, Ahmadinejad produced a televised illusion: It is not Iran versus the world, but Iran versus Israel.

DID ANYONE GET THIS IMPRESSION?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=906890&contra...

The same people responsible for 911-with tons and tons of evidence against them but no one to speak out against them are actually working hard to build a case against Iran with nothing but thin air.

Who will bell the cat? who will at least point a finger at this bully?

Quote:
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"Who will bell the cat? who will at least point a finger at this bully?"
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I suspect that within the international community 911 is considered an internal matter. In other words Americans have to handle this problem within their political and legal frame work. However, 911 has been utilized as rallying cry for war! Since the implications of a World war are global one would think that international leaders would denounced the US or Israel as the main culprits in the 911 attacks. The unanimous silence is deafening. So I go back to the original starting point and ask myself "Was 911 a False flag operation?." Yes! It was! So what is going on here? Well my theory is that the world has a power like a corporation. I call it Global Govt. Inc. GGI has corporate power structure. It has Stock holders, a board of directors, presidents, vice presidents, and various locations. Once you start using this paradigm you can see that the Zionist are trying to wrestle control away from the International Bankers by destroying the economic system. The Zionist want to control the finances. The Zionist understand if they can control the flow of oil then they control the money. Anyway it gets much more complicated then all this. The thing to keep in mind is that the ruling class are not monolithic.

..almost everyone, and soon to be everyone, if not already; knows about 9/11 demolition and false-flag modus operandi by now.. unless they're hopelessly lost or retarded.
..the only thing many don't know is who pulls the strings; which super-elite mafia-families work for the wizard shaitan (most of 'em i'd say).. so now you know who the wizard is, so let the real master appear to teach those acolytes valuable lessons in life.
..it would have been nice for Ahmad to kick that can, but it might have been a land mine or 'IED' (iranian excused destruction), whereas something that will inevitably happen may happen while he's in the eagle's nest; very undesireable..
..think about it.

Can anyone tell me what werethe tangible results of Ahmadinejad visit and speeches were?

Tangible results? No. Sorry. Not yet, anyway.

Still, there are sociological results. I doubt that Muslims abroad were happy with the way Ahmadinejad was treated. For Muslims abroad, and anti-zionists in the USA, Ahmadinejad’s visit was more proof of zionist evil.

Was Ahmadinejad’s visit a waste of time? Much ado about nothing?

Probably.

But it amuses me to see all the little zio-creeps marching around New York, having spasms.

It shows how desperate they’re becoming as their lies continue to be exposed.

This is no comfort, but I personally don't think Ahmadinejad's visit was meaningless. It's just been over-hyped, that's all.

According to various sources, Ahmadinejad's recent speech at Columbia polarized people. Muslims were offended by the Universities treatment of Ahmadinejad. Jews were offended that a holocaust deniers was given a public venue to speak. The chasm between Jews and Muslims widen. The divide between east and west deepened. Consider that Ahmadinejad said nothing particularly insightful about the current geopolitical situation to the most elite group of students in the world and created new frictions; I would have to conclude that it was by design. Please consider the audience these are students from Columbia's School of international policy study and Ahmadinejad "missed" the opportunity to engage these "future leaders" in a meaningful discussion. he could have embarrassed the Bush Administration with talk of 911. He could had discussed Petrodollar diplomacy in relation to dollar devaluation. However, the final analysis Ahmadinejad neither enlighten nor embarrassed he only succeeded in enraging both sides of the isle. Who benefits from heighten tensions?

I would say that President Ahmadinejad did himself and Iran a lot of good in coming to America and facing that hostile zionist crowd the way he did. He showed himself to be a man of reason and courage.

Last night I showed the broadcast of the speech to a U.S. Marine friend of mine who generally tends to the "America, right of wrong" opinion. After watching for about 15 minutes, he turned to me and said "This guy did himself a world of good making this speech and taking on that crowd"

That "man in the street" opinion and the fact that the zionists were so upset that he was even allowed to speak tells me that Ahmadinejad's speech was a tremendous success in terms of demonstrating the agenda of the American media and their controllers, which is the demonization of the Iranians at every turn.

Can you ever imagine our retarded Chimpanzee in Chief wading into the hornets nest of a hostile crowd and answering with such poise? He has to screen the crowds within his own party to make sure there are no adverse opinions present.

..Ahmadinejad talked about THE HOLOCAUST AND ZIONISM, which is very important to know, if one is to understand 9/11.. He was also put on the defensive by many loaded questions/lies. By not biting off more than he could chew, President Ahmadinejad came across very well.

..it would have been nice for him to make the clarion call, but i'm sure he's thinking strategically, and perhaps a bit about his own life, had the riots started and war begun.

This is the documentation of a truly historical event in the U.S. and New York state.
(THIS COULD BE REAL OR THE WORK OF AGENT Provocateurs.) Regardless of what really happened "spin is reality." My perceptions are that the war rhetoric has increased by a few decibels.

It astounded me of the overwhelming response, mostly very negative -- most compare him to Hitler, irrespective of the fact Mr. Ahmadinejad have met with anti-Zionist Jewish organizations in the past (and after the forum) as well as Iranian state providing the home for thousands of Iranian Jews who flat-out refuse to accept the offer (bribe) to migrate to the Zionist State of Israel.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3771

Ahmadinejad’s visit was definitely much ado about something.
No waste of time, not one minute. I’m very sure that Ahmadinejad turned some heads, and I am not talking about Muslim heads.

Let those people make fools of themselves in their crowds on the streets of NYC. Their scare-hype means the Zionist regime is getting mighty frightened of this Ahmadinejad, a most powerful Warrior of Light.

His decent manner, sincerity, knowledge base, and truth-speech are something for the Zionist creepoids to reckon with.
So to those fools on the streets with their megaphones, holy books, indignant ‘goofball’ speeches, and israeli/American flags….
…….and to those who are completely uninformed, which is why you just go along with this crowd because it’s so “cool” and “easy” to be with those in bigger numbers, and louder, hysterical voices…

Just remember: THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY APPEAR TO BE

Down the road you will wake up and realize that Iran sent a man to speak with you.

And all the USA had was a piece of one.

..and we need not mention which " Piece " he is. : )

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To Jesus Through Mary

..yah, at least Ahmad is doing his job with sincerity, which is alot more than i can say for pretty much THE ENTIRE US GOV'T; the traitors all deserve to pay treason's price!

..perhaps the traitors have a secret conviction..

quote:
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"Ahmadinejad, a most powerful Warrior of Light."
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what exactly does that mean? What do you think his geopolitical aims are? What effects will a gobal ression have on oil production and consumption? what steps has his government done to insulate Iran from the effects of UN sanctions? If Mr Ahmadinejad draws comfort from his religious beliefs that is great but my concerns are bit more earthly.

Warrior of Light, I am talking about a man who comes to a country filled with baseless hostility towards him. A country whose media threatens his country every single day! The guts and courage it takes any Muslim or Arab leader to try to speak in American forums requires something special, indeed. James Zogby is another and he is always talked over or interrupted – utterly treated with disrespect – this during the horrifying, mindless massacre of Lebanon in 2006.

The fact that Ahmadinejad is not an appointed puppet instilled by the American government speaks volumes to me.

What steps has his government done to insulate Iran from the effects of UN sanctions? The better question is WHY should the israeli-influenced UN put sanctions on Iran? Perhaps cuz they wanna, cuz they know they can, so there? Yes. It’s nothing to the governments of israel and USA to see Iranians suffer like Iraq did for decades. Why should Iran allow itself to be bullied by war-for-profit nations like USA and israel? Iran wouldn’t win in the long run anyway - see Iraq!

Ahmadinejad has only so much to say on how his own country is run. The Mullahs have much more power than he does. And they aren’t a threat to America, though the kreestian Zionists have their sick perceptions.

Frankly, I don’t know why you are so concerned about Ahmadinejad, really, I don’t. What is it about him that bothers you so?

or perhaps suspect him to be Zionist shill playing two sides. Thats OK with me if you doubt him but you fail to comprehend that what you wished him to do at Columbia and at UN assembly would be too much to swallow even for many Muslims who are quite confused or in disbelief that Zionist hold on US and world media is that strong to unite them all in an unprecedented cover up of a horrible crime against humanity that happened on 911. I for myself could not accept notion that Muslims would do such a horrible and indiscriminate attack on civilian target. I had doubt from beginning that something was greatly off about that incident. Then soon after I heard about theory about possible inside job and that was also really hard to believe for me because I could not imagine what kind of human beings would do to their own people what was done on 911. Due to media propaganda and infamous war on terror campaign there are still billions of people who believe 911 was Muslim terrorism attack. Why? Well aren't you watching how coverage of war in Iraq and Afghanistan is going on with embedded journalists and edited footage that serves as further oil on fire. Nobody even records how many Iraqis died or are dying every day. Iraqi puppet gov. has no means and neither desire to reveal catastrophe of Iraq's civil society. If people outside found out how they were partaking in genocide of their own people no Muslim country would support them in any way even if they have puppet regimes ruling over them. Dictators in Muslim countries do not want themselves to be seen as supporters of genocide of another Muslim nation for they fear that their subordinates might get idea that they are next target and thus decide to rebel against dictators. Info is very powerful weapon for those who know how and when to use it. Why do you think US military marks media infrastructure as primary target when attacking country. Well they know if people at home see all carnage and massacre of innocent civilians which they call with euphemism a collateral damage war would loose its support from the first live broadcast that reaches western population. Media control is what really is cyberwarfare when military speaks about. Show to public whats good for your agenda and deny them info on whats really going on. Remember leaked memo between Bush and Bliar and how commander in chief wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera in a ally country that has nothing to do with Iraq or 911. The greatest crime in the eyes of Zionazis is to speak truth and to prevent the truth from seeing the light of the day is good enough reason for them to declare war on all countries. Wake up from you slumber!

"Let there be Light!"

..yah, if the Shia people of Iran or elsewhere want to help their brothers in Iraq, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT!!

..as if this is somehow 'support for terrorism', THAT rests chiefly on the WAR-MONGERS shoulders, who spit the lies of vipers at every turn.

..it's not like the jUSA is going to take care of them, unless you consider that a sic saying.. just look at the thousands of tonnes of DU MICRONIZED DUST spread around the sands of old Persia and Babylon, FOR EVER!!

This dust now covers the whole Earth, and the next coming of man will discover this anomaly in the sediment layers. I fear for the genetic heritage of people in that whole area, for much damage is done; the reprecussions to last beyond the forseeable future.

In my comment above regarding Ahmadinejad's off hand retort that 'we don't have homosexuals in Iran', I ran into this article
by William Beeman who picks on this issue. The difference is:

" William O. Beeman is professor and chair of the department of anthropology at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. He has been conducting research in Iran for more than 30 years, and is a fluent speaker of Persian. He is author of Language, Status and Power in Iran and The "Great Satan" vs. the "Mad Mullahs": How the United States and Iran Demonize Each Other, the second edition of which will be published later this year by the University of Chicago Press. "

He seems to add an interesting explanation for Ahmadinejad's
comment, as the title of his article implies:
" No Gays in Iran… But Many Same-Sex Couples "

In short, he says " sexuality varies tremendously between cultures" and in Iran male homosexuals play a very clear 'male' vs. 'female' roles, and the male-role-male is not as ashamed and hidden as the female-role-male. Female homosexuals are deeply tucked in and he seems to know less about them. He says the 'gay' lifestyle' that westerners are familiar with is a new and very small (imported by well-to-dos) sector in Iran, and even the word homosexual in Persian (Hamjensbaz) is a recent translation and didn't exist before.

Here is the Article:
http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=3a90d68c4ee6...

BTW, when I looked to know a bit about the author, I found out he has been tagged by the mongurk gestapo (aka CampusWatch) as undesirable for his suggestion to the government to use 'humble language' when talking to Iranians!

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/42048.html

..is this the best the zioosers can do? i thought it was WMD and TERROR! nope, it's all about the gay jews.

..talkabout deliberate setup in the 'debate', knowing full well that Ahmadinejad, although being a doctor and intellectual; is a Muslim and will reflect the views of the Ayatollah (head honcho in Iran), which is similar to many clerical (Muslim or otherwise) views on homos..

..i think that religion's reliance on the homo issue is mostly just a scapegoat in governance; the Theocracy. Perhaps it is bad in the eyes of God, but will we get caught up in this issue, or worse: oppress the scapegoat?

..like say: the poor, suntanned, 'lesser or chosen' races, dwellers upon oil fields and other resources, or anyone who wants to be free; to live and let live?

This whole thing on homosexuality. It serves no purpose in the escalation of murder in the Middle East and the continual incoming of dead soldiers to USA and Canada.

I was wrong to use slang when addressing the situation of the gay parade in Jerusalem. But I was very angry. A parade of celebrating one's sexuality in Jerusalem? How come we don't have heterosexual parades?

Never mind that, there's bigger fish to fry in Jerusalem, the way I see it.

Remember, the zionist media likes to use gay issues to muddy the waters of the bigger issues - they do this all the time, AND there is a good percentage of gay people who work in the media!

Major hypocrisy!!

Why were they tearing Rosie O Donnell down, calling her gay and fat? Because she mentioned the atrocities going on in Iraq, and just maybe our soldiers are not so "heroic" after all. Right?

Remember this also: the Kreestian demented "right" would send gays with lightening speed to the hell's fire if they had God's authority to do so in record time!....

Then why have many of them come to the aid of israel when many bloggers have pointed out to them on their websites about the israeli gays and those in the IOF?

It's absurd hypocrisy when they call these bloggers racist.

After all, their whole basis for their passion on israel is religion, no?

How come we don't have heterosexual parades?

..lol, good question, Rhiannon!

Howabout a Goy Pride Parade!!

..i'm not into pride, just making a point, ha ha!

..you're absolutely right about this being a way to muddy the waters, when it's a non-issue compared to WARS, and for 90% of us (more if you consider the gays who are not fooled by this). This is obviously an desperate attempt to shore up some support from the usurped gay rights movement against Iran; to excuse the coming attack.

have you noticed that main export of homosexuality is coming from film industry. Hollywood is famous for that gay-spice in almost all new movies in the last decade. It became formula for film making that there must be a gay character in a movie or otherwise it would not be cool movie. This is obviously blown out political issue about 1% of homosexual oriented neurotics but due to Ziopropaganda targeted at moral fiber of modern society it seems like half of mankind is gay. If this trend continue you may as well need to organize heterosexual parades to convince your own kidz that not everyone is gay.

"Let there be Light!"

Not only must one be Jewish to get any kind of job in Hollywood. Now, increasingly, you must be Jewish AND homosexual.

Take a look at this list to see how many openly homosexual celebrities there are...

http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/local_slideshow_310101146/view?slide=83

..yah, i can't stand Talmud-Vision, and that's one of the reasons why!

..knowing about things makes you realize that the programming is just that: sophisticated propaganda brainwash, and absolutely more than you might think; at a glance upon the hypnotic box..

I am astonished that some people question the value of Ahmadinejad’s visit to the US. Isn’t it enough that he managed to break the wall of talking about taboo “anti-Semitic” subjects in the US?? Who in the United States managed to talk with such frankness covered live for over and hour by mainstream media... about the holocaust or Israel??? I see Ahmadinejad’s visit as a window of hope for the subdued American that dares not open his/her mouth dare it annoy the Israel lobby or lest he/she be accused of “anti-Semitism”… or lose a job. Isn’t it enough that Ahmadinejad showed the American people the extent of the Israel lobby’s interference and pressure on academic institutions and media? Isn't it enough that Columbia managed to stand up to AIPAC and not cancel its invitation to Ahmadinejad? Since when could American institions stand up to AIPAC? Shouldn't some appreciation be showed to the people who organized this event against all odds?

I don't know where Kulakundalini is from, but if he/she is American.., then really it's too bad that he/she has missed a lot of points..

As for 9/11, has any president in this world openly questioned 9/11? Ahmadinejad is the first one. Did Kulakunalini expect Ahmadinejad to try the 9/11 case during his speech in Columbia or during his appearance in "60 minutes"? For 6 years the entire US truth movement has been trying to penetrate mainstream media and hasn't been able to do so... and now Ahmadinejad, president of Iran... is expected to carry the 9/11 torch?

I find this criticism rather
unfair..

I agree with every one of your points.

However, I think that those who criticized Ahmadinejad's visit are simply frustrated by our current state of afairs. They are so sick of war, zionism, and israel that they want change NOW. This is only natural.

Your point, if I interpret you correctly, is that we must not let our general frustration blind us to the the significance of Ahmadinejad's visit. When Iranians see their president insulted, they come closer together. Syrians saw this too. Everyone in the Muslim world saw this. Even commentators on MSNBC were disgusted with the way Ahmadinejad was treated.

And look at how his visit pulled all the little zionists out of the sewer in New York City. Surely there are millions of other people in New York who look on those roaches with disgust.

Some Americans wanted Ahmadinejad to talk about 9-11, but Ahmadinejad must now think about defending against military attack which will be far worse than 9-11. In this sense, Americans are arrogant. But again, we are all eager to get rid of israel and zionism.

What's sickening is to see some so-called "anti-zionists" denounce Ahmadinejad as a zionist agent! That's not just arrogance; it's mental illness. And still people listen to these sick people.

When we look at the big picture, and don't let arrogance or sickness blind us, then yes, Ahmadinejad's visit was very significant, and a resounding triumph.

I agree with you.

“Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing”
The world is currently control by a financial collective oligarchy. This group has been called the by various names in history. I will call them the international banking guild or “the Guild.” The source of power for the guild is a currency monopoly. The guild is not monolithic and has diverse views concerning the preservation and the maintenance of their power. Roughly about a hundred years ago a small an influential group began making in roads on the Guilds’ sphere of influence. Zionism began with the purpose of building a nation. They acquired nuclear weapons as a way to protect their nation and project power. Once the Zionists were able to firmly establish their nation they began expanding their territory and by extension their power. Since at first the fledging nation of Israel was unable to defend itself it relied on the military power of other nations to ensure their survival. The Zionist to this aim managed to infiltrate and subvert the political and militarty infustructure various nations. Over the last fifty “The Guild” and “The Zionist” have co-existed peacefully exploiting the nations of the world using economic warfare and Zionist controlled military aggression. Recently, a small Zionist faction has decided to challenge the power of the Guild. It was reasoned by both groups long ago that control of the worlds oil supply would be necessary to ensure their continued control of the financial system and by extension control of various military powers that make that control possible. However, it appears that overly ambition Zionists decided to make a power grab. Their hope is to destroy the nations of the Middle East and control the flow of oil. If the Zionists can control the pipelines, the water routes and the Suez Canal then they would effectively have a monopoly over the distribution of oil. As a result, the Zionists with their base in Israel would effectively control the economies of the world. The guild has launched a counter measure to make gold the backer of the world currency reserve. Iran with great reserves and strategic control of Persian Gulf oil route stands as a vital interest to both groups.
Ahmadinejad and Iran are caught between a rock and hard place. Ahmadinejad is fully aware that a war with Iran may be prohibitally expensive for all sides and therefore, the threat of war is essentially empty. However, the Zionists have been reckless in their pursuit of power and may just decide to throw caution to the wind and follow thru with their threats. Meanwhile Ahmadinejad has launched a counter offensive. An information cyber war has been launched by various sides aimed at exposing the international bankers and the Zionists. It is hoped that if enough people become politically aware of the existing power structure the guild or the Zionist may not have the political capitol to wage war.
It is my firm belief that if the culprits of 911 are exposed that there power would be effectively nullified for a time. Moreover, Americans may become so outraged that they are able to re-establish control over their country. Since Ahmadinejad, essentially did very little to undermine the existing power structure with truth and timely discussion, I conclude that his visit was a politically staged event.
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing…”

Shame!

Diddee!

Next time you come to America, I want you to put on your batman suit, and don't forget the batmobile!! Zionists can only bomb human cars. Next time around Mahmoud, when you speak at a University, I want you to express yourself! Tell it like it really is! Spill your guts out, hold nothing back.

And then the Americans will adore you forever!

well said Rhianon...this is quite ironic...I would expect some prozionist to discredit Iranian president but I really can't understand LAV persistently complaining and discrediting Ahmedinejad's effort in NY. He either does not get it or just don't want to get it. Ahmedinejad is not a Prophet of God to singlehanded change the world and speak direct truth in the nest of the great deceiver. He said enough having in mind disproportionate animosity he was shown both from idiotic commoners and mainstream politicians and media. Americans and most westerners are not ready to be unplugged from the Matrix, remember what Morpheus said to Neo. I can understand if westerners can not get the point that Ahmadinejad tried to prove but it strikes me that LatinAmerican who claims to be from fourth world could not see his point. Perhaps he lives in fourth dimension in some kind of distorted perception of space-time continuum. Whatever man, you should send your own president to upgrade Ahmedinejad's rhetoric at Columbia and UN. That Iranian guy maintained a class and forbearance that I would not. Not because I could not but because I would not out of contempt for idiotic criminals that pose as academics and US (Israeli) patriots. Being nice and understanding with bullies just encourages them in their idiotic behavior. Man I can't stand this arrogance the west is indulged in. US,UN,EU,ZIO you can go to Hell with your satanic preaching and democrapcy. Are you offended? Well go to your security council and impose sanctions on me you dirty and demented donkeys.

"Let there be Light!"

..yah, how many US politicians to we see that are brave enough to speak up about zionism (fascism and communism veiled in quasi-religion)?

..the problem isn't democracy or communism for say, as concepts.. but this 'democracy' is bought and sold to fascist corporations, by the worst of mafia criminals! the banking cult at the top supports all the other cults; to do their evil bidding! There is no PROPORTIONAL VOTING, only FPTP (First past the post)..

..the problem isn't people setting up communes either, as they should be free to choose whatever kind of hierarchy (or none!) that they wish; even side by side with different systems..

..the problem is by design, in the fine print and actions, not in theory. we know crapitalism (now fascism) and commieism as two systems that will attack each other until one wins, but this thinking is folly because it's the EXPANSIONIST, DICTATORIAL nature of any beastly system THAT IS the problem; including of course the insidious usury bankers, behind the scenes pulling the strings on all their brainwashed, bribed and blackmailed puppets!

traveller "Americans and most westerners are not ready to be unplugged from the Matrix, remember what Morpheus said to Neo."

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Not in its entirety, just parts of it.

This movie has been discussed here at WUFYS before and I didn't understand it.

Funny how I can understand a movie like Contact...but The Matrix, I didn't get at all...

Let me take a stab... is it like the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Are there shades of the movies' The Truman Show,THX1138 in this movie?

Or am I way off?

What does Morpheus say to Neo?

If I may insert my two cents’ worth, The Matrix ran with an old idea among philosophers, known as the “brain in a vat” problem. What if we all are just disembodied brains floating in a vat, and we just IMAGINE this entire life? How would we know the difference?

In The Matrix, this idea is applied to a storyline in which computerized machines have taken over mankind. All human beings (billions) spend their entire lives sealed in a cocoon, mentally living out their affairs, oblivious to the truth. What they call "real life" is a computer-generated dreamworld, which the film calls "the matrix." Machines put humans in these cocoons at birth, because the machines use human bodies as an energy source. It’s a lame idea, full of holes, inconsistencies, and absurdities, but the film was fun.

Anyway, over time, here and there, a small number of humans wake up from the matrix (computer-generated dreamworld that is a prison for their minds) and they wake up a few others. They are able to re-enter the computer-generated program that everyone else takes to be “real life,” but if they try to wake up anyone else from their sleep, they are violently opposed in most cases.

In short, until a person is ready to wake up, you cannot wake them up. Indeed, all your attempts to wake them up will be violently resisted.

"I'm going to show these people what
you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them
the Matrix: WITHOUT zion".

Matrix deZIONized

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..there's some other great fanedits available too!

I wonder… did they edit out the references to ”Zion” in order to make an anti-zionist statement, or simply because the "Zion" parts of the movies were so poor? (Or were both motivations involved?)

For anyone who did not see the movie, "Zion" refers to the city that all awakened humans live in and defend.

The movies’ directors – Andrew and Larry Wachowski – are Chicago Poles. I'm not sure, but I don’t think they’re Jewish. The film series' producer, Joel Silver, was a New Jersey Khazar Ashkenazi.

Rhi, Morpheus said to Neo "once the human mind reaches certain degree of indoctrination and acclimatisation to false perception of reality those in know do not attempt to unplug it from that perception because human mind can't handle such shock and even the chosen one (Neo) puked when he found out that he was being used by machines (zionist, bankers) while believing to be free and in control of his destiny.

AZ "What they call "real life" is a computer-generated dreamworld, which the film calls "the matrix." Machines put humans in these cocoons at birth, because the machines use human bodies as an energy source. It’s a lame idea, full of holes, inconsistencies, and absurdities, but the film was fun."

AZ I agree with most of your assertion about the story of Matrix but I feel compelled to elaborate a bit on what you have said. First, Dreamworld is world that we live in and its made by the Zionist generated system of control since the beginning of our life. Kindergarten, primary and higher education is nothing more than programing of human stock for useful supply of usury (energy) that human oblivious efforts create to achieve "success" or should we call it an American Dream. The most powerful element of control is the one exerted through media Hollywood (DreamWorks) education and so on. Once accustomed to rules of society based on usurious financial system people are doped with false (unreal) desires (programs) that will make them completely dependent and addicted to such society. Any attempt to wake them up from such slumber (hibernation) would result in utter shock at the true reality of the world we live in (that is to say that sleeping humans are no more than a Duracell batteries for the banking apparatus). Now this is obvious to all of us who know about banksters and Zionist apparatus. Do you know that majority of migrants to US and any other western countries have been sucked into this American Dream folly through massive propaganda pushed through Hollywood and we know who stands behind Hollywood. I can assure you that The Matrix is so profound story that it is mind boggling how deep these ziodevils have gone in enslaving humanity. I agree that the story has been hijacked with prozionist motives and agenda and thus you have names of anti-God Nebuchadnezzar and city of Zion deep underground as the symbol of the last bastion of freedom for mankind. Apart from that obvious zionist manipulation with the astounding story of The Matrix I can assure you that no movie has ever been so close to describe reality of the world we live in. Now you may call this sophistry and mambo jumbo but boy I know a lot about existential domains and believe me what we see as material and real is nothing more than projection of our minds. Harun Yahya has elaborated on this topic in his book called Beyond Matter but even he could not reach the very end of its depth although I must admit that from all contemporary writers he did the best on this topic. He also cited the most recent scientific discoveries that fully support this theory about the illusive nature of the world we live in. Now I can support this claim by the Prophetic hadith which goes more or less like this, "In this world people sleep (dream) but when the die they will wake up." I men this topic is very deep and extensive and I could write a book here only on this part of theological and scientific common ground but what I have said should be enough for any serious seeker of the truth to start his own research into the deepest mystery which we know as human life. If you need any further clarification on this subject I would happily share with you what has been given to me.
At the end I must mention another movie that has revealed so much of whats going on in the world in kind of periodical manner since the dawn of time. Everybody will understand from these movies proportionally to his personal spiritual insight into Reality. But good thing is that we can share our knowledge and thus collectively progress as mankind toward higher understanding and happier world for everyone who is not an agent (of Matrix). I am sorry if I was complicated in elaborating on this but you can always ask for clarification on parts of it, its like a puzzle...you get it solved bit by bit.

"Let there be Light!"