Gravel: “I am ashamed of you, Hillary”; Top Dems Won't Pledge to Get Out of Iraq in 1st Terms if Elected

By Mary MacElveen


September 27, 2007


I do not know about you, but I find it artful when one candidate smacks another candidate down as in the case of former Senator Mike Gravel in which he said to front-runner, Senator Hillary Clinton, “I am ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it,”



Gravel smacked the front-runner as Senator Clinton vote for “supporting a Senate resolution that acknowledged the potential danger Iran poses.” Again, I question who poses the real danger as we illegally invaded Iraq killing over one million of its citizens.



He equally took issue for the second-runner, Senator Barack Obama for not even voting one way or another concerning this resolution. If Sen. Obama wants to be taken seriously when it comes to our national security, he should have showed up to vote.



Sen. Clinton reacted to Gravel’s statement by saying, “I don’t know where to start.” Please allow me to elaborate, Sen. Clinton. It may address Gravel’s statement.



ABC has reported, “Iran's role with the violence in Iraq remains a major preoccupation of the Bush administration, with the U.S. military now building a base, practically within shouting distance of Iran — an extraordinary step to curb what it says is the smuggling of advanced weapons into Iraq.”



It is up to Sen. Clinton to realize who poses more danger. Prior to the war in Iraq, we the American people were sold a bill of goods which turned out to be false. How can we trust this information being sold to us now that Iran is now the threat? We can’t.



Building more bases on Muslim land is precisely how we got into this predicament known as the war on terror in the first place. They do not want us there and we stubbornly refuse to face that fact.


In reading that U.S. Border Agents will be stationed at this base, as reported on Lou Dobbs, three drug dealers who were arrested, stole a border police car and drove it back over the Mexican border. I find that astounding. Instead of protecting Iraq’s borders; let’s protect our own.



I wonder how long we will be embroiled in this region when Democratic candidates cited in their debate that they “cannot guarantee to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by 2013”. That will be ten years and one less year than the Viet Nam War. Add Iran to the mix should we preemptively strike, one wonders how long we shall be within that region. We may never come home.



Interestingly enough as the Pentagon sought $42 Billion in Extra Funding for 2008, defense stocks hit new highs. As reported by the AP, “Defense stocks on Wednesday hit new highs as Defense Secretary Robert Gates requested an extra $42 billion in funding from Congress to cover military costs in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008.”


It is nice to see that they are making money hand over fist as soldiers and Iraqis lose limbs.



As Senator Clinton voted for that resolution citing that Iran posed a danger, I would like to know what her opinion is when the AP reported, “Israel is looking to a U.S.-India nuclear deal to expand its own ties to suppliers, quietly lobbying for an exemption to non-proliferation rules so it can legally import atomic material, according to documents made available Tuesday to The Associated Press.”



According to the AP, this move by Israel concerns their Arab neighbors as it should. But, what I found astonishing given that we are trying to smack down Iran concerning any nuclear material they wish to use is that the AP reported, “Israel has never publicly acknowledged having nuclear weapons but is generally considered to possess them.”



Here is a little secret that I have written of before. Israel does own nuclear weapons as you will read, “It is no secret and has not been for years as to how many nuclear warheads Israel presently owns as one reads Israel has now over 400 nuclear warheads. The cat has already been let out of the bag as one reads, “According to retired US Army Colonel Warner D. Farr, M.D., Israel is the fifth largest nuclear superpower in the world. By 1967, Israel already had 15 atomic bombs in its arsenal. In 1976, their nuclear arsenal grew to 15 to 20 nukes, and by 1980 jumped to 200. According to Farr, in 1997, Israel now has over 400 nuclear and hydrogen weapons.”



I would ask, Sen. Clinton who poses the most danger especially when Israel pummeled Lebanon last summer and had the potential to use a nuclear weapon. Seeing this region embroiled in hostility, it is not Iran that I am afraid of but Israel.



Senator Jim Webb (D) Virginia had this to say of this of the Lieberman/Kyl amendment, that it should be “withdrawn” because the “proposal is Dick Cheney’s fondest pipe dream.” Webb cautioned that the “cleverly-worded sense of the Congress” could be “interpreted” to “declare war” on Iran.”



He continued on by saying, “At best, it’s a deliberate attempt to divert attention from a failed diplomatic policy,” said Webb. “At worst, it could be read as a backdoor method of gaining Congressional validation for military action, without one hearing and without serious debate.”


On this site, you will be able to hear the full testimony of Senator Webb, and I highly suggest that you listen to his cautionary words.



In conclusion, I have to say much can be learned from the lower-tier candidates as opposed to the top-tier candidates. This is a dangerous world and we do need every voice on board cautioning us from escalating this war beyond Iraq’s borders. While some may say that I am unfairly targeting Democrats such as Clinton and Obama, we have to remember that last November; we were told things would change in relation to Iraq. So far from where I sit, nothing has changed. In fact, I feel that it’s getting worse. Not to say that Democrats are the only ones at fault since the Republicans have blocked them; but we the people expected this war to be ended and so far no end is in sight.


Author’s email address is, xmjmac@optonline.net

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mparent7777 | Thu, 2007-09-27 20:20
mparent7777 | Thu, 2007-09-27 21:24
mparent7777 | Fri, 2007-09-28 01:37

what's to 'buy into'? and where's the 'theory'?

Nobodaddy | Fri, 2007-09-28 01:59

Imagine what zionists would be up against if a billion people woke up to their usurious moneychanging monopoly?

Very good news indeed.

I especially like the part about how he was shocked to find out that the Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned.

I think that if that fact alone were to become better known among Americans, we might finally be able to overcome their strangehold on us.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

qrswave | Fri, 2007-09-28 02:16

I especially like the part about how he was shocked to find out that the Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned.

I think that if that fact alone were to become better known among Americans, we might finally be able to overcome their strangehold on us.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford

Sullivan | Fri, 2007-09-28 02:36

Like I said, the Chinese are very naïve about international bankers and zionist Jews. In China, it’s a plus to note on one’s resume that one is “youtai” (Jewish). This is one reason why zionists have targeted China as a new host, after they have sucked the USA dry.

“The Chinese people think Jews are smart and rich, so we should learn from them,” the author says. “Even me, I think they are really smart, maybe the smartest people on earth.”

Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, says, “The Chinese have the highest regard for what they see as Jewish intellectual and commercial acumen, with little or no concurrent culture of antisemitism. This claim, however, plays to the most discredited and outmoded canards surrounding Jews and their influence. That it should gain currency in the world’s most important emerging economy is a great concern.”

I'll BET it's a concern.The Chinese have no "anti-Semtism." Yes...they are naive.

The negative comments about the book throw everything into the mix, to make it seem that EVERYTHING is a “conspiracy theory.”

This would be like saying…

“John believes that aliens rule us, the moon is made of cheese, private central banks are in control, and Bush hails from a distant galaxy.”

Nice.

The book's author says, “I never imagined the book could be so hot and that top leaders would be reading it.”

Even Vhinese leaders have been naive. India is also naïve, although not nearly as badly.

“China, is in the midst of a lengthy debate about opening its financial system under US pressure.”

Under U.S. pressure? Try international bank pressure.

The thing that most shocked him was his “discovery” that the Fed is a privately owned and run bank.

In South Korea and Japan, people wrote books that showed how to play the stock market like Jews do, and so forth. These books praised Jews, yet zionists didn’t like the exposure. Outfits like the Wiesenthal Center managed to get these books removed from stores in Japan and South Korea.

Abdul-Alhazred | Fri, 2007-09-28 04:30

Are India’s Muslims (170 million of them) aware of the zionist game? To some extent yes, but they spend little time on it. They focus on their constant power struggles with majority Hindus.

Unfortunately this makes them vulnerable to false flags and other zionist activities.

There are occasional denunciations of Zionism in the state of Bengal (which includes the city of Calcutta), but Bengalese tend to take a “Chomskyite” approach, which blames everything on corporatism, while overlooking the zionist angle. (I personally blame both corporatism AND zionist elements.) Many intellectuals in Bengal are Marxist.

North of the state of Bengal is the Muslim nation of Bangladesh, which is very aware of the zionist threat.

ALL of the Indian public denounces israel.

The Pakistani public denounces both israel and zionism.

India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh seem far away, but we're talking about 1.4 billion people.

Abdul-Alhazred | Fri, 2007-09-28 04:51

I do not think many people in India have any awareness of the Zionist New World Order project.

In India, there is a very strong antipathy for colonialism, which does to some extent provide protection against Zionist neo-colonialism.

A big problem is that the Pakistanis have over the years allowed themselves to be used as a Zionist tool. India has been disliked because of its non-cooperative attitude. The Pakistanis were encouraged by the Zionists to foment terrorism in first in Punjab and later in Kashmir. In fact, the Pakistani development of nuclear weapons was abetted by the Zionists. See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2368174.ece In all likelihood the Zionists would have been happy to see a Pakistani nuclear attack on India.

Today, there are closer relations between India and the Zionist. India purchases a significant amount of military equipment from Israel, and India will be launching an Israeli spy satellite in the near future. But India should beware - the Zionists may try to engineer a war between India and Pakistan and happily watch them nuke each other.

kula.kundalini | Fri, 2007-09-28 09:15

"In all likelihood the Zionists would have been happy to see a Pakistani nuclear attack on India."

Yes, definitely. I would not be surprised to find that israel sold arms to all sides in the Indo-Pak war of 1971.

"The Zionists may try to engineer a war between India and Pakistan and happily watch them nuke each other."

Again, definitely. In India, Muslims and majority Hindus are so busy squabbling that many of them are blind to the zionist menace that hates them both.

Common people in Pakistan know that israel and the USA are behind their troubles, and that Pakistani leaders are willing pawns. If they overthrow Musharaff, then the zionists, or their little servant (the USA) –or maybe the Pakistani generals themselves – may attack India and start a war. Or maybe the zionists will get India will attack Pakistan.

Why not? The international bankers have limitless money.

Abdul-Alhazred | Fri, 2007-09-28 09:28

” This is one reason why zionists have targeted China as a new host, after they have sucked the USA dry.”

Maybe someone should warn China. And I wonder if it will get to that point. Are the Chinese that far gone? I had no idea the Chinese were so naïve about Zionism.

“In South Korea and Japan, people wrote books that showed how to play the stock market like Jews do, and so forth. These books praised Jews, yet zionists didn’t like the exposure. Outfits like the Wiesenthal Center managed to get these books removed from stores in Japan and South Korea.”

Very interesting. Oh indeed. Exposure of light on the cockroaches infesting around the sink drain – oh horrors! Watch them scatter. Cockroaches and vampires hate the light. Dark deeds well hidden, the less people know the better for them as their ugliness goes forth and multiplies. Mystery, secrecy, fraud, hiding their real faces in the dark.

Non-fiction really is more stranger/dramatic/profound than fiction.

Rhiannon | Fri, 2007-09-28 11:14

The link provided by kula.kundalini(above) shows that the USA has allowed Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons technology, and to sell that technology to countries like Iran, Libya, North Korea, and others. All U.S. Presidents since Reagan have covered this up.

The Pakistan-North Korean relationsip continues, yet the zionists want the Goyim to attack Syria, claiming Syria has such a connection.

The Pakistani constitution says Musharaff cannot be head of state and the top general at the same time. Nonetheless, Bush and israel are terrified that Musharaff might be overthrown. Therefore they support him with billions of dollars. Bush has given Musharraf a 45,000% increase in US aid since 2001, taking assistance levels to more than $10 billion, five times more than received by any other country (including israel).

Meanwhile the Pakistani people are crushed by poverty. Pakistan stands on the failed states index at position 12, just below Haiti, in worse shape than North Korea and Burma.

So, as kula.kundalini’s link shows, it’s okay for Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons and continue selling those weapons to various people around the world, but it’s not okay for Iran to have any nuclear technology at all.

Of course, you'll never see this talked about in the zio-media.

Abdul-Alhazred | Fri, 2007-09-28 13:18

We mustn't forget the role played by the ISI in setting up the 9/11 operation. The Pakistanis have been doing a lot of dirty work for the Zionists for a very long time.

That explains why Bush is so loyal to his Pakistani pals. If they decide to start talking, the Neocons would get lynched in America.

kula.kundalini | Fri, 2007-09-28 18:28

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US Gross National Debt

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