Interesting article. My opinion is the exact opposite of it though.

"It is the Zionist hope that the State Department will no longer be able to stop the Turks from attacking. Putting Kurdistan into play is intended to cause Iraq to fall apart. The Israelis have decided to instruct their American operatives that breaking Iraq up is so important to Zionist colonialism that Israel is prepared to sell out both its supposed allies, the Turks and the Kurds (not to mention the Americans!)."

The zio-Cheney plan to break Iraq into three areas is well known, but I do not agree that Bush or the ziostanis want Turkey to invade. They’ve got the Kurdish areas sewn up, and they don’t want the pipeline to Haifa interfered with. On November 17, 2007 the Kurds will vote on whether or not to include the Kirkuk oil fields in the Kurdish government-ruled area. I suspect the Bush regime wants that vote to go through, but not right now, with the Turks threatening to invade and disrupt the vote.

"State Department diplomacy is the only thing calming the Turks down enough to keep them from a full-fledged attack on Kurdistan."

Wow. All of a sudden Cuntoleeza Rice is practicing “diplomacy”? Perhaps the writer buys the zionist media’s line that Rice is suddenly “standing up” to Cheney after years of bending over. I don’t.

"The resolution has nothing to do with appeasing the powerful (!) Armenian lobby."

I understand this writer’s confusion. Some zionists support the genocide resolution, and some oppose it. Therefore a huge scam must be involved, right? Sorry, but I think it’s quite simple. zionists who favor genocide recognition have a lot of Armenians in their district. For example, the bill’s chief sponsor in the House is Adam Schiff, a zionist Jew that has more Armenians in his district than does any other Congressman. All other zionists oppose it, because there can be only one genocide (the “holocaust”). Israel opposes it because they don’t want to give the Turks any excuse to invade. The Kurds have been working closely with Bush and his israeli masters. Why mess that up?

"Juan Cole says it’s the pro-Kurdish branch of the Israeli Lobby winning out over the pro-Turkish branch of the Israeli Lobby."

Juan Cole is very confused. zionists favor both the Kurds and the Turks, but they don’t want Turkey to get too frisky in Iraq. It’s all about oil in the Kirkuk oil fields. Turkey is a zionist ally, but israel doesn’t own Turkey like it owns the USA. There are many variables. The Turkish government must first get a parliamentary resolution before it can invade. I think the israelis are doing what they can to slow down the invasion.

As far as the timing being “odd,” the Armenians have been pushing for genocide recognition for many years, and have almost gotten it several times. Why are the Armenians finally having some success? Again, it’s very simple. The Armenians are capitalizing on the situation in Darfur, as summed up by Dr. Rouben Adalian of the Armenian National Institute in Washington: "In a world where genocide continues to occur, there is something to be said about acknowledging past genocides as a way of preventing others." Armenians draw a parallel between their genocide and the situation in Darfur region of Sudan today. They say the US must speak now if it is to maintain credibility on human rights.

To repeat, israel wants the oil in the Kirkuk oil fields, and they have it sewn up through the Kurds. Why sponsor a Turkish invasion that could spoil zionist plans?

Yasar Buyukanit (Turkey's top general) warns that ties with the U.S. will be irreversibly damaged if Congress recognizes the Armenian genocide.

He said, “The U.S. shot its own foot."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi supports the measure "because many of the survivors are very old. Twenty-three other countries recognize the genocide. We would be the 24th country. Genocide still exists, and we saw it in Rwanda; we see it now in Darfur.”

(Pelosi got this line from the Armenians themselves. She supports the measure because she has Armenians in her district.)

Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, opposes recognition, saying it is "irresponsible."

“What happened 90 years ago ought to be a subject for historians to sort out, not politicians here in Washington.”

(Does that also apply to the holo-hoax, which allegedly happened over 50 years ago?)

Cuntoleezza Rice sent two high-ranking officials to Ankara in an attempt to ease fury over the measure.

This week the Turkish parliament will debate authorizing an invasion of northern Iraq.

U.S. officials are asking Turkey not to invade.

The Kurdish self-rule region in northern Iraq is one of the country's few stable areas, and the Kurds there are also a longtime U.S. ally.

Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK, warned that a Turkish invasion would "make Turkey experience a Vietnam War."

Source:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21294333/

This bill sounded owefully odd from the beginning. Congress, almost an Israel brothel house, daring to introduce and discussing favorably a bill to the dislike of Israel begged the question: what's going on. I am not read enough about this, but I like the line of thinking in this analysis.

PKK is virtually owned by Israel, its finance, weaponry, training. Massoud Barzani, if I'm not mistaken, is a crypto Judaic. If PKK itches so badly for Kurdish independence, they could run a coup against Iraqi regional government in the north and easily take it over and declare independence. But they prefer to go after the massive Turkish army, and build Pjak, custom made for the Iranian side. PKK represents Israeli liking and cares for Kurdish independence as much as Blair cares for Palestinian independence.

PKK has irritated Turks to the point of a last straw. May be this bill is supposed to be just that. But Israel knows the bill is symbolic and will never get ratified by white house and become official policy.

Since Tom "Mr. Holocaust" Lantos is behind this bill, then the Israeli Lobby and Israel is behind this bill and you can damn well bet no good will come of this legislation.

Kats

May I disagree?

"PKK is virtually owned by Israel, its finance, weaponry, training. Massoud Barzani, if I'm not mistaken, is a crypto Judaic. If PKK itches so badly for Kurdish independence, they could run a coup against Iraqi regional government in the north and easily take it over and declare independence. But they prefer to go after the massive Turkish army, and build Pjak, custom made for the Iranian side. PKK represents Israeli liking and cares for Kurdish independence as much as Blair cares for Palestinian independence."

The leader of the PKK is actually Murat Karayilan. The PKK must not be confused with the KRG (Kurdish Regional Government), which is totally in league with the zionists. The PKK opposes zionists, Turkey, the KRG, and capitalist imperialism everywhere. They are semi-Marxist. The PKK cannot simply defeat the KRG, since the KRG is too powerful, and has U.S.-Israeli protection. Meanwhile the Turks oppose the PKK, the KRG, and all Kurds.

The PKK's arms come from private dealers in the following countries. (This breakdown is based on serial numbers found on the weapons)…

AK-47s: 72% from Russia, 15% from China, and the remainder from Hungary and Bulgaria

Sniper rifles: 45% from Russia, 13% from England, and 9% from the USA

Rocket launchers: 85% from Russia, 5% from Iraq, 3% from China

Pistols: 22% from the Czech Republic, 20% from Spain, 20% from Italy

Grenades: 72% from Russia, 20% from USA, 8% from Germany

Mines: 60% from Italy, 28% from Russia, 6% from Germany

I don’t know if you’d be interested, but I addressed all these matters in a previous post…

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4118

Greg Bacon

There is confusion because some zionists support the genocide recognition, and some oppose it. What gives? As I explained previously in this thread, the only zionists who support it are those that have a lot of Armenians in their districts. All other zionists oppose it, because there can be only one “genocide.”

israel opposes it because israel doesn’t want to give the Turks any excuse to invade Northern Iraq.

israel has Northern Iraq sewn up, and wants its pipeline from the Kirkuk oil fields (Northern Iraq) to Haifa, israel. They do not want an invasion.

This brings upan amusing side point. Turkish politicians have contacted israel and asked how the israelis could have allowed the House Foreign Afairs Committee to vote in favor of the genocide resolution. Well, sorry, but the Armenian lobby is extremely powerful. Anyway, israel with use Bush to delay an overall House vote. The House will adjourn on November 16. If no vote is taken by then, the Armenians will have to start over.

Trust me...the Armenians will NEVER give up. If you want to understand why they are so keen on this issue, check out the post I wrote earlier. It has to do with material and economic factors in Armenia...

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4118

“May I disagree?”

By all means. As I mentioned I am not too familiar with details of this issue and open to be dissuaded. But I wish you gave me a bit more rope to play with.

1-If you open my computer and look at the manufacturers of the parts, you will find from us to Japan, Korea, Philippines, China, Puerto Rico, … It doesn’t mean I have any dealings with these countries. What you will not see inside my computer is that I bought all the parts from Tigerdirect.com. I ‘bought’ these parts, but PKK doesn’t have money to ‘buy’ AK-47. Somebody has to pay and some body to arrange the delivery. Israel makes sense to be that party. Even Sy Hersch thinks so. It is naïve to look for Israeli made weaponry in north Iraq, if Israel is delivering them.

2-PKK being a semi-Marxist and opposing capitalist imperialism, is not a very persuasive argument to me. Marxism, semi or full, is dead. If PKK doesn’t know that we are dealing with 25 years-phase-delayed minds. It’s a bigger problem. Capitalism is also not a screw driver that can do only one thing. It is a reprogrammable software that can be custom designed accordingly.

3-PKK was formed in Turkey but has expanded into Iraq as well. Barzani’s group, Democratic Party of Kurdistan has Iraqi and Iranian factions. There is also Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Pjak seems to be PKK’s hit and run gang towards Iran. KRG is an amalgamate of the reps of major armed groups, but the armed organizations have their own agenda depending on who pulls their string. What is common in all of these factions though is that all promote armed confrontations. None of them has cultural or civic activities.

The real Kurd representatives are likes the 12 member Kamkars classical Kurdish music band that just had a breath taking 2hr performance in Uppsala, Sweden, on September 7; The young Kurdish movie director Bahman Qobadi’s A Time for Drunken Horses (2000), won Caméra d'Or at Cannes Film Festival. His Marooned in Iraq (2002), brought him the Gold Plaque from Chicago International Film Festival, Turtles Can Fly, in 2004, won the Glass Bear and Peace Film Award at Berlin International Film Festival and Golden Shell at San Sebastian International Film Festival. Niwemang (2006) won him Golden Shell at San Sebastian International Film Festival. This film was a collaborative project by Iran, France, Austria and Iraq.

But what have these armed organizations been doing? Hiding behind trash cans and then shooting an unsuspecting innocent patrol police or a solder with family and a peanut salary. What they do has no military value. It only creates jitter. Their sponsors know this very well. That is why in the last 100 years there has never been an armed Kurdish organization which did not have a corrupt core leadership and all the idealistic young followers were not eventually betrayed.

I know this is getting long, but let me bring a shocking (for some) quote from the horse’s mouth.

Dr. Kaveh Farrokh teaches history and linguistics in University of British Columbia. He was born in Athens, Greece, and is from Azeri and Ossetian descent. He speaks German, French, Persian, (working understanding of) Provincal, Italian, Dutch, and Kurdish (Kurmanji). His wife Parnian is half Kurd half Lur.
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(…Kurdish separatist claims…)

The same tunes were played to pave the way for the dismemberment of Yugoslavia - just as they are being used to support a Basque Separatist movement in Spain. By the way (this will shock you) - ETA (the Basque Separatist Movement) is a creation of British Intelligence and MI6 continues to support this against France and Spain. ). ETA signed a cooperation treaty with the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan in 1971. An excellent summary of the relationship of British intelligence to ETA (as well as the alliance with Kurdish separatists) is provided below:

ETA: the 'mother' of separatist terrorism
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2246_eta.html
[This also appeared in November 17, 1995, in the Executive Intelligence Review]

Allow me to provide select quotes from that article:

“Basque separatism was created…around a manufactured ethnic identity, in the cauldron of race scientists and ethnologists who were working in the British orbit [in the late 1800s to early 1900s]… This artificially created identity has been used to foment terrorist irregular warfare on London's behalf…provided a perfect vehicle for undermining the nation-state, thus serving British geopolitical aims on the continent of Europe…Basque provinces were a center for industrial development that threatened British economic hegemony…”

Allow me to focus on some of the highlights on the above passage and draw the comparisons between ETA and the separatist movements now forming against Iran and the Near East:

(1) Manufactured ethnic identity: The manufacture of a separatist identity among the Basque has been an effort that has spanned nearly a century, just as it has in the Near East with Kurds. A new “history” began to appear among London-based ethnologists who were hostile to the legitimacy of Spanish and French historical unity. A prominent proponent of "Basque human rights," was Fernando de Salas (died 1993). He has been accused by Spanish authorities of links with “our supposed allies in the Anglo-Saxon establishment”. “Maps” of the Basque began to appear. Interestingly, the first “Map of Kurdistan” appeared in 1905, not on the Near East, but in the Offices of the London Geographic Society.

Interestingly, only 3 percent of people in the Basque region speak Eskuri (the Basque language). ETA has been known to engage in intimidation of local residents to “de-Latinize” and abandon French and Spanish as their vernaculars. The “Kurdish issue” is even more interesting. Perhaps the greatest success of the Kurdish separatist movements has been to convey the false message that Kurds speak a single language and have a history unrelated to Persia. Both are patently false.

“Kurdish” is not a single language. There are five distinct languages that are as distinct as Portuguese is from French. In general there are the five vernaculars of Sorani (South Kurmanji), Bahdenani (North Kurmanji), Gowrani and Zaza. Sorani is widely spoken in Iran and Iraq, Bahdenani mostly n Turkey but in parts of northwest Iran also. Zaza is now found inside Turkey.

While Kurdish activists continue to state that they all speak “Kurdish”, this is false if they mean a single mutually intelligible language. Gowrani is as distinct from Bahdenani as it is from Luri or Persian. What all of the “Kurdish” languages share with Persian, Luri, Gilaki, Mazandarani and Baluchi is that they are all derived from Middle Persian, known as Pahlavi.

Pahlavi developed in the Parthian and Sassanian eras, and by the time the Arabs began their invasions of Persia in 637 AD, two dialects had developed: Parthian Pahlavi and Sassanian Pahlavi. Kurmanji Kurdish (Sorani and Bahdenani) is a combination of both, whereas Zaza is the last vernacular of Parthian. Gowrani is probably close to what the Sassanian Persian dynasty spoke, a language known as “Parsee-ye Dari”.

The London strategists who worked closely with their ethnic scientists in the early 1900s, were looking for ways to undermine the Ottoman Empire and Persia – they quickly realized that much of Western Iran and Eastern Anatolia is teeming with a large number of West Iranian speakers.

Like the Basque who are being used to destabilize Spain and France, the Kurds are being used to destabilize Iran, Turkey and the Near East. Kurdish activists reject this information and insist that their “nation” has existed for 7-10000 years. Their “evidence” has been amassed in much the same way as the London-based “Al-Ahwaz” movement for Khuzistan as well as the SANAM movement for Azeri separatism. Information is either manufactured, re-interpreted/re-labelled or deleted.

Parnian….like the majority of kurds and Lurs vehemently reject people like Sor (a separatist activist) who are designated as “Jash”. Jash in Kurdish means a stupid man who behaves like a braying donkey for his enemies.
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I think there is a good reason these armed groups have never been able to rally common Kurds to joint them. A Turkey invasion of north Iraq can give that emotional excuse to unite Kurds against the “invaders”. And after pushing Turkey out, PKK or Barzani will be too strong to persuade to stay with Iraq, or even Turkey.

I forgot the link for Dr. Farrokh's article from above:

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/JanuaryFebruary06/AKFarrokh.html

I wrote a lengthy response to your comments, but decided not to post it.

Let me simply ask...what point are you trying to make?

My note was a "response" to you, not volunteering a point to make. But nevertheless I do sense that you might be feeling that (some of) these armed organizations might be grass root and genuinely representing Kurdish people or even be "independently thinking" what to do regarding Iraq or Turkey. I would be static if you tell me I am wrong.

Well I agree with you about the PKK not being a “grass roots” organization. The KRG has designated the PKK a “terrorist” organization, yet the KRG uses the PKK. They cooperate. So yes, you might say there’s an indirect relationship between the PKK and Israelis, but the PKK really is quasi-Marxist. Indeed, all the Kurds are comparatively secular.

I'm going to do another post on this, a separate one involving the oil situation in Northern Iraq. It really looks like Turkey is serious about invading. The supposed outrage over the genocide recognition is just a rallying point. The Kurds are making all kinds of oil deals with outsiders, and the Turks are worried about Kurdish empowerment. So are the Iraqi Arabs—especially the Sunnis. (The Shiite parts in the south have oil, but the Sunni regions do not.)

Oh..you said the PKK has no money to buy arms? Actually the PKK gets money from private citizens (Kurds) all over the world. The PKK also runs legitimate businesses, such as publishing. And of course they are involved in heroin trafficking.

Anyway, more about this to come in my next post….