Why Sunni/Shia Muslims hate Ahmadi Muslims
Peace.
Brother Celt posted some things about Ahmadi muslims:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4114#comment-18709
so although I have posted this in the relevant thread, it's so cluttered that I figure this warrants its own thread.
To those who don't know about this and don't want to, sorry, please just ignore this entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad
^ check these out before you believe that book brother Celt posted.
There is SOOO MUCH propaganda out there about a variety of sects although I must say, the propaganda they do about the Ahmadi sect is by far the most vile, descipable, blatantly false with utterly unsophisticated misrepresentation.
You can't expect a civilized debate when one person insists on posting a book while others are trying to actually engage in a discussion.
First of all, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE to acknowledge that NO MUSLIM has the authority to call another who says shahadah, a NON-MUSLIM when the Greatest Prophet (saw) himself waived the right. I find it gut-renchingly disgusting that despite the claims to love Rasulullah (saw) and Allah, people will engage in such venemous campaigns against one group. They'll even unite will all other sects who they hate and claim are incorrect to call one group, "outside the fold of Islam"
The Ahmadi muslims have added NOTHING to Islam nor taken ANYTHING away.
The do salat 5 times a day, they give zakat, IN FACT, a much GREATER percentage, they believe in Allah, ALL the books, angels, prophets, judgement day, they try to perform hajj (in cognito because of the self-appointed mullahs). They believe the Quran is FINAL and NO LAW will ever come after and that ISLAM is the final religion and that Muhammad Mustapha (saw) is the KhataMAN Nabiyeen (SEAL of the prophets) just as he called Ali (ra) Khatamul Auliya (SEAL of the saints)
The only thing that really made the muslims angry and venomous was Ahmad's (as) claim to prophethood and that Isa (as) is dead.
There is precedent for these beliefs in the words of the QURAN, the prophet, and the mujaddids, like Alf Thani, Ibn Arabi and others.
For example on Isa (as) being dead:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8878/
^NON-ahmadi pulling quotes from the QURAN
Prophethood after Muhammad (saw) in the QURAN:
[4:70] And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they.
[4:71] This grace is from Allah, and Allah suffices as One Who is All-Knowing
This verse explain that those who obey Allah & the Holy Prophet (saw)(good muslims) WILL BE OF the prophets, truthful, martyrs and righteous.
(4 degrees of rank that can be achieved)
The reason the opponents of Ahmadi Muslims have to create so much confusion, hatred, and lies is because Ahmadiyyat is the single greatest threat to their hierarchies and authority.
Ahmadis have had Divinely-established Khilafat for 100 years and are in 190 countries of the world. They have translated the Quran into the most languages and were the first and only ones to establish a 24/7 GLOBAL muslim satellite channel. They have been lauded everywhere as the greatest example of peaceful, law-abiding and humanitarian muslims that exist. The sunnis say this is because of a ZIONIST conspiracy although the Ahmadi Khalifas have exposed zionism more than and BEFORE any other group.
Just check this out:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3886
The sunnis believe that a 2000 year old Jesus (as) is alive in the sky and will return (very similar to Christian belief, minus an overt acceptance of Jesus' divinity) and that when he returns he will no longer be peaceful but he will kill in the name of God and convert the ENTIRE globe by murdering the opposing forces wholesale. But he will also be stripped of his prophethood because they believe NO prophet can come after Muhammad (Saw)
Ahmadi Muslims contend that Jesus (as) was a messenger and like ALL HUMANS died a natural death on earth NOT ON THE CROSS but much later after he went in search of the lost tribes.
They believe the 2nd coming happended in the person of Ahmad (as). They believe that just as Jesus (as) was the peaceful messiah and follower of Moses (as) and his law, who came 1300 years after Moses (as) to unite the Jews and whose movement swelled MUCH LARGER than all the other jewish sects combined, SO TOO was there to be a peaceful muslim messiah who would come 1300 years after the Muhammad (saw) as his ardent follower to unite the various muslim sects and the whole globe UNDER ISLAM through peaceful propagation of the excellent verties of Islam
If you study the lives of Ahmad (as) and Jesus (as) you will find many significant parallels as well.
I can't speak for brother Celt's views but he should be made aware that other SUFIS have acknowledged that PROPHETHOOD could come in the UMMAH, as long as the man was a follower of Muhammad (saw) and that such a prophet could NOT bring a new law.
For example,
Ibn Arabi: (who as a SUFI saint, brother celt should hold in GREAT esteem)
From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law.(Hazrat Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Futuhat al-Makkiyya, Vol.1, p.545)
The prophethood which came to an end with the advent of the Holy Prophet was Tashri'ee Nabuwat, i.e., a prophethood with a new book and a new Law. There is no room for such prophethood after the Holy Qur'an. This is the correct meaning of the Hadith which contains the Holy Prophet's saying that there is to be no prophet after him. The Hadith only conveys that after the Holy Prophet there can be no prophet who will replace his Shariah with another one. Henceforth whenever any prophet comes he will be subordinate to him and his Shariah. (Hazrat Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Futuhat al-Makkiyya, Vol.2, p.3, Egyptian edition)
The prophethood that terminated with the person of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, was the law bearing prophethood and not just prophethood itself. (Hazrat Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Futuhat al-Makkiyya, Vol. 2, p. 73)
Prophethood would continue to be open to the people till the day of judgement, though law making has terminated, yet law making is but one element of prophethood. (Hazrat Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Futuhat al-Makkiyya, Vol. 2, p. 100)
We should engage in a peaceful discussion where we type things out instead of copy & paste things without verifying the sources of such inflammatory information.
to learn more about what Ahmad and his followers themselves say, please see:
Wassalam
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Muslims dont hate ahmadis we just dont accept them as muslims.
The Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Movement
The Ahmadiyya Movement, which originated in the Indian subcontinent under the patronage of the British colonialists, espouses beliefs which leave no doubt as to their apostasy from Islam. Among their erroneous beliefs is their denial of the finality of Prophethood of Mohammed (peace and blessings of Allah on him), an article of faith endorsed by the Qur'an and Hadith reports as well as the consensus of the Companions and scholars.
The Qur'an states (translation):
"O people! Mohammed has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
The true Prophet of Islam, Mohammed, observed:
"The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Sahih Bukhari)
The Ahmadiyyas are followers of a certain Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian who lay claim to prophethood and used fabricated Hadith reports and twisted meanings of some Qur'anic verses to support himself. However, the true Prophet of Islam warned of this danger explicitly, "The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
Shortly after the death of Prophet Mohammed, a man named Musailama, a claimant to prophethood, was fought against together with his followers for their apostasy. It is worth noting that Musailama did not deny the prophethood of Mohammed (peace and blessings on him) and nor did his followers. It is also worth noting that it was misinformation that led the tribe of Banu Hunaifa to accept Musailama's false claims. Nevertheless, the consensus of the companions was to declare them apostates and wage a war against them. This is evidence enough to declare the Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.
Another example of the Ahmadiyya's rejection of the Qur'an and Sunnah is their contention that Jesus died, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was an incarnation of Jesus. In fact, according to the 1985 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be not only Jesus but Prophet Mohammed, the Mahdi, and the Hindu god Krishna. It suffices to refer back to the essence of Islam which is the Uniqueness of God: any concept of man becoming god, worse yet a Hindu god who is one out of many, is false according to the Qur'an.
On this, Islam is uncompromising, hence this error of the Ahmadiyyas is the foremost indication of their exit from Islam. Finally, the Ahmadiyyas also rejected jihad, a tactic which was designed to eliminate Muslim resistance to British colonialist rule.
Shortly after the death of Prophet Mohammed, a man named Musailama, a claimant to prophethood, was fought against together with his followers for their apostasy. It is worth noting that Musailama did not deny the prophethood of Mohammed (peace and blessings on him) and nor did his followers. It is also worth noting that it was misinformation that led the tribe of Banu Hunaifa to accept Musailama's false claims. Nevertheless, the consensus of the companions was to declare them apostates and wage a war against them. This is evidence enough to declare the Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.
Another example of the Ahmadiyya's rejection of the Qur'an and Sunnah is their contention that Jesus died, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was an incarnation of Jesus. In fact, according to the 1985 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be not only Jesus but Prophet Mohammed, the Mahdi, and the Hindu god Krishna. It suffices to refer back to the essence of Islam which is the Uniqueness of God: any concept of man becoming god, worse yet a Hindu god who is one out of many, is false according to the Qur'an.
On this, Islam is uncompromising, hence this error of the Ahmadiyyas is the foremost indication of their exit from Islam. Finally, the Ahmadiyyas also rejected jihad, a tactic which was designed to eliminate Muslim resistance to British colonialist rule.
"Iraq is a War.
Afghanistan is an Occupation.
Suicide-Bombing is a Terrorism.
Guantanamo is a Concentration Camp.
Detention without Charge is an Inquisition."
[ Shaykh abdal qadir as sufi ]
www.shaykhabdalqadir.com
Then why murder them? WHILE THEY ARE PRAYING?
...THEN SUFFER AN EARTHQUAKE THE NEXT DAY?
coincidence??!?!
On Oct 7th 2005 8 ahmadis were murdered during FAJR PRAYER on the 2nd day of Ramadan, in mandi bahauddin in Pakistan...
On Oct 8th 2005, THE VERY NEXT DAY, a devastating earthquake occured in Pakistan destroying many villages, and killing all told about 80,000 people.
PLUS, after the earthquake, (of which there were MANY aftershocks)
.. THERE WERE HAIL STORMS in Pakistan as well.
yep, coincidence.
banning books? what are they afraid of?
http://www.thepersecution.org
http://www.myspace.com/khanverse
What happens in Pakistan has nothing at all to do with me period ok!
Do ahmadis believe Jesus is dead and will never return?
Do ahmadis believe that Gulam al Qadiyan is the promised messiah?
Do ahmadis believe in more prophets after Muhammad [saw]?
come on i want answers please!
"Iraq is a War.
Afghanistan is an Occupation.
Suicide-Bombing is a Terrorism.
Guantanamo is a Concentration Camp.
Detention without Charge is an Inquisition."
[ Shaykh abdal qadir as sufi ]
www.shaykhabdalqadir.com
What do Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) think of Muslims
Qadiani (Ahmadi) missionaries often attempt to present traditional Islamic belief as dogmatic, unpleasant, and intolerant of other faiths. They approach uninformed Muslims and try to win their sympathy (and perhaps their soul) by displaying their outrage at the fact that all Muslim Scholars have declared them unbelievers and outside the fold of Islam. Naturally, they conveniently omit the true reason for this verdict and instead try to capitalize on emotions and inherent goodness of Muslims. In other pages of this site, we have extensively explained the Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) doctrines that has convinced all informed Muslims Qadianism is Kufr.
In this page, we like to share with you some of their own writings testifying to the fact that they too believe that they have a different religion than what Muslims have been taught by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) and have been following for 1400 years.
Unfortunately, they have plagiarized much of the wonderful teachings and practices of Islam and call their new cult "Islam". They call the followers of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) unbelievers!
If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?
Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.
Muslims declared Kafir (Non-Muslim):
"Allah has revealed to me that he who does not follow me and does not give me his oath of allegiance and remains in opposition is disobeying the will of Allah and His Rasul and is Jahannami (doomed to Hell)."
(Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go (someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except those Momineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!
Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
(Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)
"God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
(Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
(Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)
"A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
(Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
(Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
"Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)
"O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
(Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)
"To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophet and a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
(Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)
"The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
(Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
"Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
(Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
"It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:
"He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
"There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
"It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
"By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
"The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
(Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
"The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
(Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
"He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
(Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
"There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
(Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)
Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:
"It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
"God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
(Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
"No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)
Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:
"If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
"Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
"Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
"Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them? Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
(Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
"If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
"It is an established rule that:
The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
And as the Ahmadis believe that:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
"Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
"I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
(Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)
Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.
"Iraq is a War.
Afghanistan is an Occupation.
Suicide-Bombing is a Terrorism.
Guantanamo is a Concentration Camp.
Detention without Charge is an Inquisition."
[ Shaykh abdal qadir as sufi ]
www.shaykhabdalqadir.com
Khanverse we accept the Ahmadi Movement in the United States; thus in the 1900's they were the first community to come to North America and bring Islam specifically to the African American community. It was not Sunni Islam or Shia Islam, but the Ahmadi and we consider them a friend.
These radical Wahhabi inspired concepts that Celt Islam is advocating lacks tolerance. This Holy Quran gives only Allah the right to stand as JUDGE OVER HUMANITY. I have studied Islam to great depths and Celt Islam types would like to create an Islamic Theocracy based solely on their views. I appreciate you sharing the Ahmadi Islamic perspective. I have a Muhammad Ali Quran that really value the translation.
STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN
The Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Movement and why ahmadis are not muslims.
The Ahmadiyya Movement, which originated in the Indian subcontinent under the patronage of the British colonialists, espouses beliefs which leave no doubt as to their apostasy from Islam. Among their erroneous beliefs is their denial of the finality of Prophethood of Mohammed (peace and blessings of Allah on him), an article of faith endorsed by the Qur'an and Hadith reports as well as the consensus of the Companions and scholars.
The Qur'an states (translation):
"O people! Mohammed has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
The true Prophet of Islam, Mohammed, observed:
"The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Sahih Bukhari)
The Ahmadiyyas are followers of a certain Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian who lay claim to prophethood and used fabricated Hadith reports and twisted meanings of some Qur'anic verses to support himself. However, the true Prophet of Islam warned of this danger explicitly, "The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
Shortly after the death of Prophet Mohammed, a man named Musailama, a claimant to prophethood, was fought against together with his followers for their apostasy. It is worth noting that Musailama did not deny the prophethood of Mohammed (peace and blessings on him) and nor did his followers. It is also worth noting that it was misinformation that led the tribe of Banu Hunaifa to accept Musailama's false claims.
Nevertheless, the consensus of the companions was to declare them apostates and wage a war against them. This is evidence enough to declare the Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.
Another example of the Ahmadiyya's rejection of the Qur'an and Sunnah is their contention that Jesus died, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was an incarnation of Jesus. In fact, according to the 1985 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be not only Jesus but Prophet Mohammed, the Mahdi, and the Hindu god Krishna. It suffices to refer back to the essence of Islam which is the Uniqueness of God: any concept of man becoming god, worse yet a Hindu god who is one out of many, is false according to the Qur'an.
On this, Islam is uncompromising, hence this error of the Ahmadiyyas is the foremost indication of their exit from Islam. Finally, the Ahmadiyyas also rejected jihad, a tactic which was designed to eliminate Muslim resistance to British colonialist rule.
Shortly after the death of Prophet Mohammed, a man named Musailama, a claimant to prophethood, was fought against together with his followers for their apostasy. It is worth noting that Musailama did not deny the prophethood of Mohammed (peace and blessings on him) and nor did his followers. It is also worth noting that it was misinformation that led the tribe of Banu Hunaifa to accept Musailama's false claims. Nevertheless, the consensus of the companions was to declare them apostates and wage a war against them. This is evidence enough to declare the Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.
Another example of the Ahmadiyya's rejection of the Qur'an and Sunnah is their contention that Jesus died, and that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was an incarnation of Jesus. In fact, according to the 1985 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be not only Jesus but Prophet Mohammed, the Mahdi, and the Hindu god Krishna.
It suffices to refer back to the essence of Islam which is the Uniqueness of God: any concept of man becoming god, worse yet a Hindu god who is one out of many, is false according to the Qur'an.
On this, Islam is uncompromising, hence this error of the Ahmadiyyas is the foremost indication of their exit from Islam. Finally, the Ahmadiyyas also rejected jihad, a tactic which was designed to eliminate Muslim resistance to British colonialist rule.
Ahmadiyya Movement in, or against, Islam?
The "Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam" (called by Muslims everywhere as "Qadianism") was established, in 1889, by Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (1835 - 1908) in a small Punjabi village of India. Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s family were in the service of the British colonial powers and, to his dying days, Mirza Ghulam openly declared his allegiance to the British imperialism.
In fact, the culmination of his service to foreign power was his declaration that resistance to oppressors (Jihad) -- as ordained in the Holy Quran by God -- had become unIslamic!
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s life was laden with contradictory and anti-Islamic claims. In 1880, he declared himself to be only a Muslim writer; in 1885, he announced he was a revivalist (Mujaddid); in 1891, he claimed to be the Promised Mehdi and the Promised Messiah; and in 1901, he pronounced himself a prophet of God! Facing an open and strong opposition by Muslim Scholars and religious leaders for this blasphemous declaration and other teachings which belittled Jesus Christ(pbuh) and contradicted the Quranic revelations, he also announced that he was the second and improved coming of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) with authority to reinterpret the Holy Quran at his pleasure! Not happy with mere prophethood, in 1904, he declared himself the Krishna (the Hindu Lord). Obviously, like an unethical modern-day politician, he was trying to appeal to all uneducated segments of the public in India!
Fortunately, the Almighty Allah(SWT), time and time again, exposed Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's falsehood through his own statements and so-called prophecies. Even many of his own family members were aware of his treachery and openly opposed his anti-Islamic teachings. Mirza Ghulam Qadiani finally died by intervention of the Almighty Allah and as the result of religious prayer challenges (Mubahala), in 1908.
Since the death of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, his heirs -- the leaders of the Qadiani organization ("Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam") -- have been extremely busy trying to clean up his image. Backed by seemingly unlimited support they receive from their anti-Muslim allies, they have been promoting falsehood and deception through the media. They have even resorted to removing some of most controversial writings of Qadiani leadership -- which had become a source of embarrassment to them -- from circulation. Their partial English translation of their original text has been heavily edited to exclude all controversial and anti-Islamic sayings of their cult leaders. Obviously, they themselves realize the true nature of their "Ahmadiyya Mission".
The goal of the "Ahmadiyya Mission" is, and has always been, to confuse uninformed Muslims, divide the Ummah, prevent resistance to oppressors (Jihad), and provide an alternative to non-Muslims who find the message of Islam appealing. Quite cunningly, they do so by using Islamic terminology and teachings, and hiding the controversial writings of their founders. Today, only the most learned Muslims are able to attend one of their functions and realize that their brand of Islam is a form of Kufr (disbelief). Even when their leaders mention the Kalima (I bear witness there is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger), they are referring to their founder who proclaimed himself to be (God forbid) the second improved coming of the prophet Muhammad(SAW) and not to the true Prophet(SAW) of Allah(SWT).
Muslim brethren everywhere should not be confused by Qadiani leadership's superficial use of Islamic concepts to promote their cult. Our beloved Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and the four Khalifah also faced such false prophets. Of particular interest is the claim by an Arab, named Musailama, to prophethood, during the latter part of the life of the Prophet(SAW). Although he simply claimed co-prophethood with the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) of Arabia and did not belie any other teaching of the Holy Quran, he and all of his mislead followers were declared out of the fold of Islam, by righteous believers.
Under the leadership of Hadrat Abu Bakr Siddique(RA) and with the unanimous consensus of all the companions of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW), a victorious war was waged against Musailama for using Islamic concepts and claiming prophethood. This should indeed be sufficient evidence to declare the Qadianis as non-Muslims.
In 1974, after an exhaustive examination of all the evidence presented for and against the Qadianis, the Muslim World League (Rabita Alame Islami) -- which represents all religious scholars from every Muslim country of the world -- passed an unanimous resolution declaring the Qadiani Movement and its leadership out of the fold of Islam. Indeed, "Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam" is a man-made organization with no divine authority or guidance.
Say: "O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs."
(The Holy Quran, Yunus, 10:108)
How does Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) differ from Islam
According to the tenet of their faith, the Qadianis (Ahmadis) are required to study, accept, and follow the works, "revelations" (wahi), and writings of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani. In his books, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani makes the claim that he is in direct communication with God and ordains it upon his followers to believe in "Islam" according to his revelations. We have summarized here some of the differences between Qadianis (Ahmadis) and Muslims. It should be obvious that most of the beliefs instructed by Mirza Ghulam Qadiani contradict verses of the Holy Quran -- not to mention hundreds of authentic Hadith and Islamic doctrine.
It is unfortunate that many of the people who have been tricked into accepting Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) are unaware of this aspect of the Qadiani (Ahmadi) doctrine. Since the rituals of Qadianism resembles that of Islam and much of their terminology is stolen from Islam, many Qadianis are under the impression that they are following an Islamic school of thought. They continue to blindly send their donations to the Qadiani (Ahmadi) leadership thinking they are supporting Islam, when in reality they are helping a non Islamic cult. For the most part, the followers of Qadianism neither have a good grasp of Islam nor have access to the complete writings of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani -- which are mostly written in Urdu -- and are not aware of his various claims.
The following are some of the difference between Islam and Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat ):
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) is based on the belief that Mirza was an improved second reincarnation of hazrat Muhammad(SAW).
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) rejects the concept of absolute Finality of Prophethood in hazrat Muhammad(SAW), as confirmed in Quran, Hadith, Sunnah of the Holy Prophet(SAW), Tradition of Companions, the writings of Muslim Scholars and personalities, and concensus of the entire Ummah for almost 1500 years.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) maintains that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a Prophet (nabi and rasul) of God.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) rejects the concept of completion of the revelations of Allah(SWT) in the Holy Quran.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) holds that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's revelations (Books) were on the same level as all prior revelations (Quran, Bible, Torah). In their view, simply following Quran and Sunnah, as Muslims have done since the beginning of Islam, is not a basis for living a righteous life and gaining the pleasure of the Creator. Interestingly, the Qadiani leadership has refused to allow a translation of these books, so that everyone may become familiar with the irrational teachings and contradictory claims of the founder of their organization.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) rejects authentic Hadith based on Mirza's alleged revelations and teaches his personal interpretation of the Holy Quran. Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) leadership has forged several unauthentic translations of the Holy Quran to try to confuse and mislead uninformed individuals.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that Jesus(pbuh) had been crucified, but did not die from his injuries. Instead, it advocates the view that Jesus(pbuh) recovered from his injuries, escaped to Kashmir (India), where he lived for another 86 years, and is buried there.
Whereas Jesus(pbuh) is acknowledged as a great prophet of Allah in Islam, Mirza Ghulam took the liberty of making demeaning and vulgar remarks against him and his honored mother, rejected his miracles, belittled his mission and denied his return before the Day of Judgment. It is such unbecoming teachings that have resulted in hateful retributions by extremist Christians evangelical groups against Muslims, Prophet Muhammad(SAW), and Islam.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) maintains that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was "the promised Messiah". The Qadianis (Ahmadis) reject the advent of Jesus Christ(pbuh), son of Mary, as the Messiah, just before the Day of Judgment.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was also the promised Mahdi (guided one).
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was also the expected Hindu lord, Krishna.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) intollerantly declares the entire manking, except for those who naively accept the irrational notions and contradictory claims of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, to be unbelievers and bound for hell. Qadiani leadership has announced all Muslims to be unbelievers and has forbidden its followers from wedding their daughters to Muslims, praying behind Muslims, and offering prayer on their deceased - be it a child or an adult.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that struggle for freedom, independence and self-determination against the tyranny, extremism and oppression (Jihad) of those military powers that support Qadianism has been made Haraam.
At its birth, being a protoge of the oppressive British Empire of the time, Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) required complete devotion and obedience to the British Government, as an article of faith. While freedom loving people around the globe were rising up against the British subjugation, Qadianis were being required to be willing to sacrifice their wealth, talent, and soul in the cause of the Crown. Britain is presently the headquarter of the Qadiani Movement.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) holds two cities in India (Qadian) and Pakistan (Rabwah) as holy as Mekkah and Madinah. Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) are supposed to perform Hajj by attending their annual congregation, instead of visiting Mekkah.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) maintains that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was superior to all the Prophets(pbut) of Allah(SWT).
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) refers to the companions of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani as Sahaba and his wives as Mother of the Believers (Ummahatul Muminin).
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) advances the notion that many verses of the Holy Quran were revealed to Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and that many of the praises of Prophet Muhammad(SAW), mentioned in Quran, were really intended for Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) claims Mirza's Mosque at Qadian (India) to be Masjid-ul-Aqsa.
References to the Qadiani books requiring these beliefs are provided on various articles at this site. If you have been tricked into accepting Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) without being told of these and other truths, please be assured that our quotes are based on authentic writings of the founders of that organization. What you have fallen in love with is Islam and not Qadianism. The door of salvation remains open to all, but you will need to take the first step, you must be seeking the truth to receive guidance.
Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Hadid, 57:16)
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Afghanistan is an Occupation.
Suicide-Bombing is a Terrorism.
Guantanamo is a Concentration Camp.
Detention without Charge is an Inquisition."
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you're right Fahim, it was established in the 20's when the dynamic figure, Mufti Muhammad Sadiq came as a missionary and converted 7 people of a mosaic of backgrounds on the ship to America, then when he was detained he converted several tens of people in the jail and then made allies with Garvey and coverted thousands more in a brief stay in America.
the community was actually the most widespread muslim community in the US until the early 50's I believe.
the non-ahmadis are MAD jealous of our achievements so they try to create some justification for us being non-muslim while everything we say can be supported from the quran, sunnah, hadith, islamic history, and the works of the saints and mujaddids. We're way ahead of the ummah in almost every respect except raw numbers but quality is more important than mere lip service and that's important to recognize.
The copy-pasting job Celt is doing is diaphanous in its misrepresentation. For example,
the very first Quranic verse quoted, 33:40
blatantly does NOT say the mistranslated celt's SOURCE's claim of "last in the line of prophets"
you will see this in many sunni translations where extra words are added into the quran while they don't exist to enforce a strict sunni interpretation which is treacherous to say the least.
Besides that,
[4:70] And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they.
^the Quran clearly states in 4:70 that among those who OBEY Allah & the Prophet, there CAN BE those who will achieve the status of prophethood, truthful ones, marytrdom, and righteous ones.
They try to twist meanings of words and say this verse refers to being in the company of the aforementioned IN HEAVEN, when HEAVEN is not mentioned anywhere near the verse, nor is it implied.
It is sufficient to say that in debate MOST of them resort to this tactic of copying and pasting things they've never bothered to study in any sort of depth themselves to absolve themselves of the responsibility of weighing claims with facts and evidence. It's unfortunate but it is the natural way of calcified dogma.
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Why Ahmadis are not muslims.
[Quraan-Sura al Ahzab- 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
The basic principle for interpreting the verses of Quran is to interpret them in the light of other verses, and in the light of what has been said by Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW or His Companions. The word Khatam is translated here as 'LAST'. The literal meaning of this word is SEAL, as something which is sealed. There are many other verses in Quran which support this translation of the word Khatam and thus the finality of the Messenger and the Message.
The Last Sermon:
Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW on His Last Hajj gave a sermon, where he announced:
"O’ people! No Prophet would be raised after me and no new Ummah (would be rasied) after you." (Seerat Ibne Hisham, The Last Sermon)
From the Books of Hadith:
Many Hadith, but I would specially like to quote here one authentic hadith which contain the word KHATAM.
"There will be thirty liars in my Ummah, each of them claiming to be a Prophet,
but I am the Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, there is no Prophet after me."
(Sunan Abu Daud, Kitab al-Fitan)
Holy Prophet SAAW used the word Khatam-un-Nabiyeen for Himself and then qualified the meaning of this word by adding that "there is no Prophet after me." Most certainly He knew that there will be some sick minded people in his ummah who will make all sorts of far flung distorted meanings.
Qadiani Deception No. 1 - Denying/Laying the claim to Prophethood.
Having thus presented the Muslim belief, let us now turn to see what do Qadianis believe by the word Khatam and Khatam-un-Nabiyeen?
Of course when you talk to any Qadiani he will claim that he believes that Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW is Khatam-un-Nabiyeen. But soon his hypocricy is exposed when you ask him, what exactly does he mean by the word Khatam-un-Nabiyeen. Then his decetption is exposed, because he has his own understanding of this word, as taught by his Jamaat.
For every Qadiani, Khatam-un-Nabiyeen means the following:
The Seal of the Prophets, but not the seal of finality (as Muslims believe) but the seal of approval for the coming of further prophets.
The best of Prophets
To support their claim, they go to extra lengths to prove their case using mind boggling logic. The whole issue reminds us how in the work of Mirza, there is the usual duality: at first sight part of it appears to confirm the general doctrine of Islam, also about the meaning of Khatme as "last". Yet another part changes it to mean "seal of approval". It is like this with every occult concept he introduces. He says in many places that there can be no prophet after Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW - he does so to try to connect with mainstream islam, and to make his doctrine seem acceptable. Yet, in other places, he also writes statements which directly confirm that there will be more prophets. It is always again the denial case: the Lahoris say: he did not claim to be a prophet, they can find quotes for that. The Qadianis say; he did claim to be prophet. They can find quotes for that too. It is always the same strategy of double truths, used to blindfold people, first trick them into believing that his doctrine matches that of mainstream islam, but once inside Ahmadiyya, shifting to the other part of the doctrine and turning away from Islam. So you can use quotes where he says Khatme means last, but there are also places where he says Khatme means seal of approval for more prophets to come.
For instance. Mirza denies claiming prophethood:
"Can such an unfortunate fabricator who himself claim prophethood and messengership believe in Holy Quran, and can such a person who believes in Quran and believes in the verse [wa laakin Rasoolullah wa Khatam-un-Nabiyeen] as the word of God, that I am also a prophet and messenger after Holy Prophet SAAW?" (Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain vol.11 p.27)
"I know that anything that oppose Quran is lie, apostacy, and heresy, thus how can I claim prophethood when I am a Muslim?" (Hamamatul Bushra, Roohani Khazain vol. 7 p. 297)
"O people! ... Do not be an enemy of Quran and after Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, do not initiate the system of new prophetic revelation. Have some shame from Allah, in front of whom you would appear." (Asmani Faisla, Roohani Khazain vol.4 p. 335)
But on the other hand, Mirza give a distorted logic to justify his claim of prophethood:
"God thought that in this era that such a time has come when a Grand Reformer is needed so God's Seal did this job that Holy Prophet SAAW's follower reached to such a status that from one aspect he was a Ummati and from other Prophet, because Allah made Holy Prophet SAAW the Bearer of Seal, that is He was given the Seal to make perfection..." (Haqeeqatul Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 99-100)
"The meaning of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen is this that without His Seal nobody's Prophethood can be verified. When the Seal is affixed, then that paper is authenticated and valid." (Malfoozat-e-Ahmadiyya vol.5 p.290)
"According to way of speech, in other words the title of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen for Holy Prophet SAAW indicate a big status and it is this meaning that He is the Seal of Prophets, that is after Him such Prophets will be born whose prophethood's criteria is only to follow him." (Letter of Mian Mehmood, Khalifa-e-Qadian, AlFazl Qadian dated 29th April 1927)
"Definitely our opponent Molvi Sahebaan have made grave mistake in understanding the meaning of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, He is Khatam-un-Nabiyeen but in the sense that His person is a Seal of approval for Prophets." (AlFazl Qadian dated 8th December 1915)
"We do not deny that Holy Prophet SAAW is Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, but the meaning of Khatam is not what the majority of Muslims understand and which is against the Mighty Glory of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW that He had deprived His ummah from the Bounty of Prophethood." (AlFazl Qadian dated 22 Sept 1939)
"There is no one in the world who can understand the real truth of the Khatam-e-Nabuwwat of Muhammad, except he who is the Khatam-ul-Awliya like the Hazrat Khatam-ul-Anbiya, because to understand the true reality of something depends on the person who deserves it and it is a proven fact that the person deserving Khatmiyat (finality) is either Holy Prophet SAAW or Hazrat Maseeh Mowood (Mirza Saheb)." (Qadiani Magazine Tasheed-ul-Azhan, No. 8,Vol.12, p. 201, entitled The True reality of Muhammadi Khatme Nabuwwat, dated August 1917)
Qadiani Deception No. 2 - Meaning of KHATAM:
Qadianis have been giving a lot of flimsy excuses to justify the meanings of the word 'Khatam'. Mr Shiraz Qadiani sent the following email to a discussion forum:
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Subject: KHatam, SEAL OR LAST?
1.KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA (seal of poets) was used for the poet Abu Tamam. (Wafiyatul A'yan, vol. 1, p. 123, Cairo)
2.KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA again, used for Abul Tayyeb. (Muqaddama Deewanul Mutanabbi, Egyptian p. 4)
3.KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA again, used for Abul 'Ala Alme'ry. (ibid, p.4, footnote)
4.KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA used for Shaikh Ali Huzain in India. (Hayati Sa'di, p. 117)
5.KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA used for Habeeb Shairaazi in Iran. (Hayati Sa'di, p. 87) Note here that all five people have been given the above title. How could it be interpreted as "last". They did not come and go at the exact same time.
6.KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA (seal of saints) for Hazrat Ali (May God be pleased with him). (Tafsir Safi, Chapter AlAhzab) Can no other person now attain wilaayat, if "seal" meant last?
7.KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA used for Imam Shaf'ee. (Al Tuhfatus Sunniyya, p. 45)
8.KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA used for Shaikh Ibnul 'Arabee. (Fatoohati Makkiyyah, on title page)
9.KHATAM-AL-KARAAM (seal of remedies) used for camphor. (Sharah Deewanul Mutanabbee, p. 304) Has no medicine been found or used after camphor, if "seal" means "last"?
10.KHATAM-AL-A'IMMAH (seal of religious leaders) used for Imam Muhammad 'Abdah of Egypt. (Tafseer Alfatehah, p. 148) Don't we have leaders today?
11.KHATAM-ATUL-MUJAHIDEEN (seal of crusaders) for AlSayyad Ahmad Sanosi. (Akhbar AlJami'atul Islamiyyah, Palestine, 27 Muharram, 1352 A.H.)
12.KHATAM-ATUL-ULAMAA-ALMUHAQQIQEEN (seal of research scholars) used for Ahmad Bin Idrees. (Al'Aqadun Nafees)
13.KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN (seal of researchers) for Abul Fazl Aloosi. (on the title page of the Commentary Roohul Ma'aanee)
14.KHATAM-AL-MUHAQQIQEEN used for Shaikh AlAzhar Saleem Al Bashree. (Al Haraab, p. 372)
15.KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN used for Imam Siyotee. (Title page of Tafseerul Taqaan)
16.KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN (seal of narrators) for Hazrat Shah Waliyyullah of Delhi. ('Ijaalah Naafi'ah, vol. 1)
17.KHATAMAT-AL-HUFFAAZ (seal of custodians) for AlShaikh Shamsuddin. (AlTajreedul Sareeh Muqaddimah, p. 4) A "hafiz" is one who has memorised the full arabic text of the Holy Quran. Two of my cousins happen to belong to this category and more people will memorize it.
18.KHATAM-AL-AULIA (seal of saints) used for the greatest saint. (Tazkiratul Auliyaa', p. 422)
19.KHATAM-AL-AULIA used for a saint who completes stages of progress. (Fatoohul Ghaib, p. 43)
20.KHATAM-ATUL-FUQAHAA (seal of jurists) used for Al Shaikh Najeet. (Akhbaar Siraatal Mustaqeem Yaafaa, 27 Rajab, 1354 A.H.)
21.KHATAM-AL-MUFASSIREEN (seal of commentators or exegetes) for Shaikh Rasheed Raza. (Al Jaami'atul Islamia, 9 Jamadiy thaani, 1354 A.H.)
22.KHATAM-ATUL-FUQAHAA used for Shaikh Abdul Haque. (Tafseerul Akleel, title page)
23.KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN (seal of researchers) for Al Shaikh Muhammad Najeet. (Al Islam Asr Shi'baan, 1354 A.H.)
24.KHATAM-AL-WALAAYAT (seal of sainthood) for best saint. (Muqaddimah Ibne Khuldoon, p. 271)
25.KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN WAL MUFASSIREEN (seal of narrators and commentators) used for Shah 'Abdul 'Azeez. (Hadiyyatul Shi'ah, p. 4)
26.KHATAM-AL-MAKHLOOQAAT AL-JISMAANIYYAH (seal of bodily creatures) used for the human being. (Tafseer Kabeer, vol. 2, p. 22, published in Egypt)
27.KHATAM-ATUL-HUFFAAZ used for Shaikh Muhammad Abdullah. (Al Rasaail Naadirah, p. 30)
28.KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN used for Allaama Sa'duddeen Taftaazaani. (Shara' Hadeethul Arba'een, p. 1)
29.KHATAM-ATUL-HUFFAAZ used for Ibn Hajrul 'Asqalaani. (Tabqaatul Madlaseen, title page)
30.KHATAM-AL-MUFASSIREEN (seal of commentators) used for Maulvi Muhammad Qaasim. (Israare Quraani, title page)
31.KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN (seal of narrators) used for Imam Siyotee. (Hadiyyatul Shee'ah, p. 210)
32.KHATAM-AL-HUKKAAM (seal of rulers) used for kings. (Hujjatul Islam, p. 35)
33.KHATAM-AL-KAAMILEEN (seal of the perfect) used for the Holy Prophet (pbuh). (Hujjatul Islam, p. 35)
34.KHATAM-AL-MARAATAB (seal of statuses) for status of humanity. ('Ilmul Kitaab, p. 140) We have the "highest, not "last" status.
35.KHATAM-AL-KAMAALAAT (seal of miracles) for the Holy Prophet (pbuh). (ibid, p. 140)
36.KHATAM-AL-ASFIYAA AL A'IMMAH (seal of mystics of the nation) for Jesus (peace be on him). (Baqiyyatul Mutaqaddimeen, p. 184)
37.KHATAM-AL-AUSIYAA (seal of advisers) for Hazrat Ali (R.A.A.). (Minar Al Hudaa, p. 106)
38.KHATAM-AL-MU'ALLIMEEN (seal of teachers/scholars) used for the Holy Prophet(pbuh). (Alsiraatul Sawee by Allama Muhammad Sabtain Now, I am a teacher myself, and you know that I still exist, AFTER the Holy Prophet (pbuh), but I am nowhere close to being able to teach as PERFECTLY as he could or did. How then could he be "last" of teacher Seal means "best" here and not "last".
39.KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN (seal of narrators) for Al Shaikhul Sadooq. (Kitaab Man Laa Yahdarahul Faqeeh)
40.KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN used for Maulvi Anwar Shah of Kashmir. (Kitaab Raeesul Ahrar, p. 99)
Did you notice something? Someone who is most important for every Qadiani is prominent by his absence from this list. Guess who? Yes you are right: there is no reference given from the books of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
Qadiani Deception No.3 - An exception to the meaning of Khatam in Mirzai Dictionary
For the word KHATAM, he has of course given 40 examples, but surprisingly he has not given a single quote from the books of Mirza Qadiani !!! Isn't it strange? Ask them what did Mirza Ghulam mean by the word Khatam? Because at the end of the day it is Mirza who had disagreed with the entire Ummah. Despite all these references that he had given, entire Ummah of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW was united in the meaning of KHATAM-UN-NABIYEEN in the ayah of Quran as signifying the Finality of Propethod of Syedna Muhammad SAAW. Why? Because Holy Prophet SAAW had qualified it in many of His Ahaadeeth that He is the Last Prophet.
If we scan the books of Mirza Qadiani, we find the following qoutes from his books which clearly highlight what did Mirza understand by this word 'KHATAM':
1) KHATAM-UL-WALAD - the Last Son!
"I WAS KAHTAM-UL-WALAD (Seal of Son) FOR MY FATHER. NO CHILD WAS BORN AFTER ME." (Braheen Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain, vol. 21 p. 113)
2) KHATAM-UL-ANBIYAH - THE LAST PROPHET
"Some of the prophecies in the early books of God regarding Hazrat Eisa AS have similar meaning to this prophecy (of Mirza) in which it is mentioned that Jews will not accept him. As has also been mentioned in Injeel with reference to these prophecies that the stone they had rejected was in fact the corner stone, that is, He (Eisa Ibne MARYAM) WAS THE KHATAM-UL-ANBIYAH FOR THE ISRAELITE PROPHETS ........similarly God has told me that they reject you but I will make you KHATAM-ul-KHULAFA." (Braheen Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.267)
3) KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA - The Last Khalifa
"ACCORDING TO SPIRITUALITY I AM THE KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA IN ISLAM, JUST AS MASEEH IBNE MARYAM IS THE KHATAM-UL-KHULAFA IN ISRAELITE CHAIN." (Kishtee-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.17)
Above quotations from the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, clearly proves that by the word 'KHATAM' Mirza Ghulam Ahmad meant ‘FINAL’ or something which has been sealed.
Qadiani Deception No. 4 - Mirza Claimed to be the Last Prophet
Question is WHY THE MEANING OF THE SAME WORD IS CHANGED when it comes to KHATAM-UN-NABIEEN? If indeed the meaning of Khatamun Nabiyeen is that more prophets will come with the approval and seal of Holy Prophet, then the word ‘Nabiyeen’, according to arabic grammer, means that there should be at least three more such prophets. But the writings of Mirza Ghulam tells us quite a different story.
"Blessed is he who has recognised me. Of all the paths to God I am the Last Path, and of all his Lights, I am the last Light. Unfortunate is he who forsakes me, because without me all is darkness". (Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain, vol.19, p.61)
Official Qadiani Magazine wrote:
"These quotations prove that except for the Promised Messiah no one else can be a Prophet...After Holy Prophet (pbuh) only one Prophet was neccesary and the coming of too many Prophets would have hindered the Wisdom and Schemes of God." (Tasheed-ul-azhan, Qadian, No.8, vol.12, p.11 dated August 1917)
It is obvious that this heretical explanation of Khatam - not meaning the last but the seal - was merely given to open the door of prophethood, and after entering through this door, Mirza once again closed it. In other words, Mirza Ghulam has cleverly stolen the title of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen from Holy Prophet SAAW. Can there be a worst case of slandering the Holy Prophet SAAW?
Well, the matter is much much worse than you can imagine. It is not simply a case of claiming prophethood. Mirza Qadiani did not simply claim prophethood, he had committed a crime far far worse than that.
Qadiani Deception No. 5 - Who is Mirza Qadiani?
Every Qadiani will say that, they believe in Khatme Nabiyeen, that they consider that Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW is the Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, and yet they consider Mirza Qadiani as the prophet of 'God'. Is this a case of deception? or is this confusion? or is this simply a contradictory statement? or is there something more than meets the eye? Let us analyse this statement.
Let it be understood that as a believer and follower of Mirza Qadiani, every Qadiani/Ahmadi/Lahori must attest to everything said or written by Mirza, his beliefs should be the beliefs expressed in Mirza's writings, irrespective of whether he/she has read these books or not. A Qadiani/Ahmadi/Lahori cannot have a belief which is contradoctory to the writings of Mirza Qadiani. If he doesn't agree with such doctrines that he finds abhoring to his beliefs as a 'Muslim', then he better denounce Mirza and his Jamaat. He cannot ride in two different boats.
Having said this, let us now see what Mirza means by Khatam-un-Nabiyeen.
Mirza claimed to be Muhammad SAAW (na'oozo billah)
Mirza's WAHI informs him:
"'Mohammadur Rasoolullah wal lazeena m'ahoo, ashiddao 'ala alkuffare rohamao bainahum' in this revelation God has named me Mohammed and Messenger as well." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 p.207)
"Anyone who differentiates between me and MUSTAFA (pbuh), he has not seen me and has not recognize me." (Roohani Khazain vol 16 p.171)
Mirza claims to be Khatam-ul-Anbiya
"Time and again I have said that according to the verse 'wa aakhareena minhum lamma yalhaqoo behim - and others of them who have not yet joined them..'(al-Quran 62:3) in BUROOZI form (translated by qadianis as Image/Alter-ego/Counter-type) I am the same prophet, the KHATUM-UL-ANBIYA (Last of the Prophets). And twenty years ago God named me Muhammad and Ahmad in Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, and declared that I am the Holy Prophet's (pbuh) incarnation. Thus my prophethood in no way clashes with the status of Holy Prophet pbuh as the Last of Prophets, because shadow is inseperable from the original. Since I am Muhammad in a 'shadowy way', thus this way the Seal of the Last of the Prophets is not broken, because the prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh) remained with Muhammad." (Mirza Ghulam in Ek Ghalti Ka Izala, Roohani Khazain vol.18, p.212)
"The Prophethood ended on our Prophet (pbuh). Therefore after Him there is no Prophet except who has been illuminated by His Light and who has been made His inheritor by God. Know that Finality was given to Muhammad (pbuh) since the Begining; and then given to him (i.e. Mirza) who was taught by His Spirit and made His shadow. Thus blessed is the one who taught and blessed is the one who learned (i.e. Mirza). Thus FINALITY was destined for the SIXTH MILLENEUM, which is the sixth day in the days of God...... Thus the Promised Messiah was born in the SIXTH Millenium." (Zamima Khutba Ilhamiah, Roohani Khazain vol 16 p. 310)
Mirza claims to be Burooz of Muhammad SAAW
" ‘wa laakin Rasool Allah wa Khatam-an-Nabiyeen’ There is a prophecy hidden in this verse which is that now there is a seal on Prophethood till the Day of Judgement, and except in the Buroozi Form, which is He Himself, no one else has the power to openly get the Hidden Knowledge from God, like Prophets; and since that Burooz of Muhammad which was promised since early times, is ME, therefore the prophethood in Buroozi form is given to me. Now the whole world is helpless in front of this Prophethood because there is seal on Prophethood. One Burooz of Muhammad with all the Qualities of Muhammad was destined for later times, thus he has appeared. Now apart from this window there is no other window left to drink the water of Prophethood." (Aik Ghalti ka azala, Roohani Khazain vol 18 p.215)
Mirza claims to be Re-incarnation of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW
"When I am the Holy Prophet re-incarnate and when all the accomplishments of Muhammad including the prophethood are reflected in my mirror of my shadiness, then who is the man who has claimed prophethood in a seperate being ?" (Ek Ghalti Ka Izala, p.8; Roohani Khazain, vol.18,p.212)
"And Allah bestowed upon me the bounty of the Holy Prophet and made it perfect, and he drew towards me the kindness and generosity of that merciful Prophet, so much so that my entity became his entity. Thus he who joins my Jamaat really becomes one of the Sahaba of my Chief who was better then all the Prophets. It is not hidden from those with the ability to think that this is what the words "others of them" mean. The person who differentiates between me and Mustafa (i.e. Holy Prophet pbuh) has neither seen me nor recognised me". (Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, Roohani Khazain, vol.16, pp.258-259)
Mirza claimed to be better than the Holy Prophet SAAW
"The truth is that the spirituality of the (reincarnated) Holy Prophet at the end of the 6th millennium (i.e. these days in the form of Mirza), is much more stronger, more complete and forceful than in those early years, rather it is like the 14th (full moon) night". (Khutbah-e-Ilhamiyah, Roohani Khazain, vol.16, pp. 271-272)
"The spirituality of our Holy Prophet (SAW) was conceived in 5th thousand (ie Makki birth) with its precise attributes and that period was not the the climax of his spirituality's development. It was rather the first step to the highest pinnacle of its perfection. Thereafter this spirituality manifested itself in its full glamour during the 6th thousand (his rebirth in Qadian) at the present time". (Mirza in Khutba-e-llhamiyah, Roohani Khazain, Vol.16, p.266)
Mirza is included in Kalima Shahadah
"With the coming of Promised Messiah one difference (in the meaning of Kalima) has occured and that is that before the advent of Promised Messiah, in the meaning of 'Mohammad ur Rasoolullah' only Prophets of bygone days were included, BUT with the advent of Promised Messiah, ONE MORE PROPHET HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE MEANING OF MOHAMMADUR RASOOLULLAH......thus to enter in Islam it is still the same Kalima, the only difference is that the advent of Promised Messiah has added one more propet to its meaning..... Moreover, even if we accept by supposing the impossible that the sacred name of the Gracious Prophet (pbuh) has been included in the sacred Kalimah because He is the Last of the Prophets, even then there is no harm and we do not need a new Kalima because the Promised Messiah is not a separate entity from the gracious Prophet as he (Mirza) himself says: "My being is exactly the being of Muhammadur Rasoolu Llah". Also, "One who discriminates between me and Mustafa has neither recognized me nor seen me". And the reason for this is Allah Almighty's promise that He would reincarnate "Khatam un Nabieen" in this world once more as a prophet as is evident from the verse "And others of them... Thus the Promised Messiah (Mirza Qadiani) is himself Muhammadur Rasoolu Llah, who has been re-incarnated in the world to spread Islam. We do not, therefore, need any new Kalima. Albeit, a new Kalima would have been necessary, if some other person had been reincarnated instead of Muhammadur Rasool Llah. So contemplate!" (Kalimatul Fasl, page 158)
Poetry recited in the presence of Mirza, who had the following section written on a wall hanging:
"Muhammad has descended again amongst us
and is greater in his glory than before
He who wants to see Muhammad in perfection
Should look at Ghulam Ahmad in Qadian."
(Poetry by Qazi Zahoor Ahmad Akmal Qadiani, recited in the presence of Mirza Qadiani, printed in Qadiani Newspaper Paigham-us Sulh dated 14th March 1916)
In the light of above writings, the official Qadiani publications propagated this following Qadiani belief:
"Thus does any doubt remain that God has sent Muhammad (pbuh) again in Qadian to fulfil his promise? (Kalimat alFasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad, Review of Religions p.105, No.3, vol.14)
"The entity of the promised Masih (Mirza), in the sight of Allah is the entity of the Holy Prophet (SAW). In other words, in the records of Allah there is no duality or difference between the promised Masih and the Holy Prophet (SAW). Rather they both share the same eminence, the same rank, the same status and the same name. Although verbally they are two, yet in reality they are one and the same". (Al-Fazl, Qadian, vol.3, No.37, dated 16th September 1915, as cited in Qadiani Mazhab page 207, 9th edition, Lahore)
"Maseeh Mowood is not a seperate thing from Holy Prophet pbuh, but it is He Himself who has come again in this world in Buroozi form..... therefore is there any doubt that God has sent Holy Prophet again in Qadian?" (Kalimat Alfasl p.104-105, Review of Religions Qadian March 1915)
Epilogue
It is obvious from the above that, it is an open Qadiani doctrine to have the following beliefs:
Mirza is re-incarnation of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW
Mirza is not a separate entity from Holy Prophet SAAW
Mirza is of the same rank as Holy Prophet SAAW
Mirza is better than Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW
Mirza is the Last Prophet
Therefore Mirza is the Khatam-un-Nabiyeen
So whenever a Qadiani is saying that he believes in Hazrat Muhammad SAAW as Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, beware !! He is speaking with a tongue in his cheek. For him, Mirza is Muhammad re-incarnated, for him Mirza is the last prophet, and therefore for him Mirza is Khatam-un-Naiyeen.
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