The Iran Hawks or How to sing "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran"
Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton think a tough line on Tehran will sell politically. They could be right.
By Juan Cole
Among the Republican front-runners, debate about Iran occurs in a dark, upside-down fantasy land, where a weak third-world regime with no air force to speak of plots a military strike on the planet's sole superpower. The third-world regime is led by a genocidal commander-in-chief who serves a global conspiracy; to stop him, the president of the superpower might be compelled, after a quick chat with a lawyer and a few bars of a golden oldie, to launch an aggressive war. (And even the part about a conversation with an attorney is seen by some of the candidates as an abdication of manhood.)
Perhaps because of his chest-thumping contest with Giuliani, Romney especially has shown a talent of late for putting the ignorant in fear-mongering. During the Dearborn debate, Romney alleged that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had "spoken about genocide," and said it was important not to "allow that individual to have the control of launching a nuclear weapon." In an ad released after the debate, in a clear attempt to out-Giuliani Giuliani, Romney declaimed, "It's this century's nightmare, jihadism -- violent, radical Islamic fundamentalism." He told the cameras that the fundamentalists' goal is to establish a "caliphate," and wanted to "collapse" countries such as the United States as part of that goal. "We can and will stop Iran," he added, "from acquiring nuclear weapons."
Anyone notice how many of the Republican--and some Democrats--sound like they are getting their talking points from Bush's speech writers?
After Tehran is reduced to nonexistence--like Baghdad--will the Israeli lobby then start beating their well financed and sophisticated war drums for a war against Saudi Arabia?
They've already got a good catch line to reel in the gullible American public. "Never forget 9/11 and that most of those hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Never forget...." Blah, blah, blah.
After the LOBBY has spent a sufficient amount of time whipping us clueless idiots into a foaming at the mouth frenzy, will we then send off our kids to fight another war for Israel in Saudi Arabia?
No, you will not send your kids into Saudi Arabia because they are already there.
I think what is escaping most of westerners (including politicians) is the fact that regimes are the least problem you could have when planning of invading or conquering sovereign nations and cultures. Romney said "We can and will stop Iran," he added, "from acquiring nuclear weapons." and he said a basic truth evident both to the west and to Iran. You can bomb the regime and the infrastructure into a stone age. However you can not bomb ideal and will of people to resist.
He is also right about the idea of Islamic Caliphate posing a direct threat to Western Caliphate. In relation to Islamic Caliphate all of the present regimes in Muslim world have no relevance to that ideal. What these Zionist monkeys do not understand is that Islam is not ideology like Communism that prefers physical survival to the spiritual survival.
They have been experimenting with brainwashing and sanctioning, by every means available, Muslim nations in order to separate them from adherence to Islamic doctrine. What came as result from the decades of oppression and wars is surprising raise of "militant" Islam that is generated by the same oppression and aggression on Islam and its followers. The more they oppress and vilify Muslims and their religion the more they stick to it.
Majority of Muslims want to live in peace and social justice that Islam entitles them to. Majority of them are not really preferring war over peace and tolerance between them and the rest of the world. However they have been ignored in the same way that western nations have been ignored by their real Zionist masters. However what has been happening in ME since the WWII is continuously swirling emotional sea of anger and pain underneath peaceful and forbearing appearance of the Muslim world. The right mixture of explosive components is being heated day after day and it is just matter of time when this WMD will unleash its fury on those who will incite it to explode. Thus bombing Iraq, Iran and all the rest of the Muslim countries will actually be in favor of unleashing such a Muslim bomb that Zionist never dreamed of. Muslims nations have been pushed around for a long time now suffering almost irreparable trauma that will backfire to those who caused it.
Treacherous regimes in Muslim countries will burn down in their own castles. The WWIII has already started but people do not have enough insight to recognize this fact. Many Muslims are trying to be apologetic to the West about Islamic doctrines for various reasons but this attitude will not divert mankind from the inevitable conflict that is set on. Is this bad?! I guess it depends from which angle you look at it. It is obvious that Western nations have been corrupted beyond repair, its people ignored and marginalized in political process of decision making vis a vis their policies toward the rest of the world.
Zionist overlords have hijacked governments, elections and almost all educational and media centers. Recent swing of votes to democrats in US proved that nobody really cares what people want but what financing lobby want. The only way western nations have now to avoid WWIII with Muslims is to rise in revolution against their on governing regimes in the manner of Vendetta movie. Objective possibility of that happening is close to zero. So this is probably how it will go.
First Western alliance will destroy all opposing regimes in Muslim world thus in a way creating vacuum and sort of favor to Muslims. It will enable them to transcend nationalist outlook on Islam as their unifying ideology. Resistance of Hesbollah and Hamas to Zionistan is proving to be quite effective in closing ranks among Sunni/Shia divide with more and more of ordinary Muslims ignoring the fact that Iran is the majority Shia nation. Most of Sunnis really don't care anymore if Iran is Shiah because they see it as the symbol of rebellion against Western Zionist imperialism. In fact majority of Sunnis are getting infuriated by their regimes lethargy in dealing with this global onslaught on Islam and Muslims.
Heads will role and those regimes will fall and that will be the Caliphate's dawn. For a Caliph to appear people must be ready to accept idea of living in the Caliphate. Taliban tried to create Islamic state on idea of Caliphate but that doe snot work the way they wanted it. People must want Caliphate and then you can create it.
With many Muslims corrupted and actually addicted to the Zionist corruption the whole idea of Caliphate was unacceptable and even ridiculous to many Muslims. However with War on Terror (War on Islam) Caliphate is not only an option but the only viable solution for the survival of the Muslim world. Caliphate is but a natural state of Islam and only someone ignorant of Islam can deny that.
Now remember how I said that Western powers will sort of do a favor to Muslims by destroying their current regimes under the pretext of liberating them. Once this Muslim reorganization and unification is done the counter offensive will be launched to return the favor to the western nations. Muslims will liberate western nations from their own regimes and Zionist overlords. I don't think that is so bad after all. It is painful transformation but it is for the good of all of us.
"Let there be Light!"
just so you know, a caliphate in the muslim world DOES exist, while the great majority of the Ummah ignores it which was formed according to the prophecy of the Master Prophet (saw):
Prophethood shall remain among you as long as Allah shall will. He will bring about its end and follow it with Khilafat on the precepts of prophethood for as long as He shall will and then bring about its end. A tyrannical monarchy will then follow and will remain as long as Allah shall will and then come to an end. There will follow thereafter monarchial despotism to last as long as Allah shall will and come to an end upon His decree. There will then emerge Khilafat on precept of Prophethood. (Masnad Ahmad)
This prophecy has been fulfilled.
for 100 years!
http://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/
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when Caliphate comes Ummah will accept it and you ought to understand that Caliphate is Islamic government with one leader (Caliph). Your "caliph" did not rule over anyone and no Muslims nation accepted him as the caliph so prophecy obviously is still to be fulfilled. Don't confuse people with what you misinterpreted and try to prove with pick and chose citation of hadith and Qur'an. Caliph has a state over which he presides and is accepted by the majority of Muslims of that state. And please don't debate with me now trying to convince me that your sect leader was a caliph. Even today after 100 years as you said you don't have any state nor power to impose any of the Islamic rules.
"Let there be Light!"
You DON'T IMPOSE Islam, that model has never worked, and never will work, effectively. Islam is demanded by the PEOPLE when they are READY from a moral and spiritual standpoint, after they have cleansed THEMSELVES then it can be established with its umbrella over muslims alone.
In the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) people who stole would turn themselves in over a guilty conscience and DEMAND punishment! Can you see a model of this type of spiritual and moral excellence in ANY so called "MUSLIM" COUNTRY ?
This obsession with a state-ruling Caliphate is the main reason RIGHTLY-GUIDED, DIVINELY APPOINTED khilafat left the ummah with martyrdom of Hazrat Ali (ra)
Muslims are in a pitiable state and it is exactly as the Messenger of Allah (saw) prophecized,
Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one." The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "They are those who will be like me and my companions."
you might consider taking a look @ this.
Fulfillment of the prophecy of Rasulullah (saw)
consider my muslim amigo, if the JEWS didn't accept their messiah, Isa (as) and COLLECTIVELY denounced, defiled, made fun of, lied about, persecuted HIM and HIS followers, WHY would muslims be any different, especially in light of the comparison drawn by the Master Prophet (saw) ?
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Khan read what I have said and take my statements in the context of what I was talking about. Are you claiming that government of people have no right to impose its laws on country where they live. If you have read what I have said you would see that current cleansing is preparation for that goal.
I never implied that Islam should be imposed on Muslims if they don't want to live in Islamic state. Taliban made that mistake and just served detrimental moral blow to the cause of caliphate. I said that through oppression and attacks on Islam and Muslims, enemies of Islam and Muslims, will in fact help Muslims realize that Caliphate is the only viable solution for their survival.
That means they will ask and want it for their own benefit. Anyway ahadith discussing topic of Mahdi and Jesus clearly indicate sovereign Caliphate under one ruler as it used to be in time of the first Muslims. I don't buy that implication that Muslims are like Jews in refusing your "savior" because we have not witnessed anyone coming with clear signs and results that are mentioned in authentic hadith about Mahdi or Jesus. You are really trying too hard to convince us that everything already happened and that we are now in for final destruction of heavens and earth.
My fellow blogger neither are Jews nor Christians nor Muslims convinced that anyone resembling Jesus or savior appeared till now. So you may as well give up on your tirade of interpretations regarding Jesus and Mahdi. It did not work for hundred years and it will never work. I would actually appreciate if you don't talk to me at all because you know what is my stance and belief on this matter and I don't want to be rude to anyone but if you don't find your own limits they will be imposed on you. Did you come here to discuss Islam versus Qadianism, or Zionism?! Just move on man and enjoy your caliphate as much as you want I will not persecute you or your cult. It would be waste of my and your time to further debate this matter. And don't expect me to further answer your interpretations because I will not no matter what you say.
"Let there be Light!"
The caliphate is NOT the only solution... All the fringe groups that are called "terrorists" are trying to violently establish just that.
The mahdi would put an end to jizya so actually any type of political sovereignty is completely irrelevent to the "survival" of the Ummah.
[13:12] For him (the Messenger) is a succession of angels before him and behind him; they guard him by the command of Allah. Surely, Allah changes not the condition of a people until they change that which is in their hearts. And when Allah decides to punish a people, there is no repelling it, nor have they any helper besides Him.
If muslims on the whole became righteous and spiritual (which collectively is impossible without someone Divinely-appointed) these giants powers would fall by the wayside in the face of the truth of Islam IN ACTION. Muslim countries are all in bed with the zionists with perhaps the lone exception of syria and iran and MAYBE Sudan.
As for the shying away from discussing the intricacies of islamic eschatology and Qu'ranic interpretation, you can consign yourself to stay away from that but please don't try to justify it by calling it a "cult" or appealling to the popularity of the decaying ummah as opposed to responding the legitimate points I've raised.
[43:8] But there never came to them a Prophet but they mocked at him.
NEVER is the word God uses.
BUT JESUS (as) when he FLIES DOWN will be totally different and accepted by the Ummah IMMEDIATELY & the WHOLE WORLD in 40 years which would actually make him way better than the Holy Prophet (saw), nahuzzibillah, since he gets two go-arounds on earth with a 2000 year hiatus 'up there', gets to murder the 20,000 foot cyclops dajjal in pomp and glory and convert WAY more people than the Holy Prophet (saw) himself could in his single lifetime...
I only brought it up because you brought up the caliphate... I'm here to fight zionism too, but the Divinely established caliphate HAS existed for 100 years and numerous signs have been witnessed proving its sanction by the Almighty.
...whether YOU like it or not...
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btw, the khalifa is ONE leader accepted by millions of people around the globe in over 185 countries.
study the history of the movement and the khalifas, because even if you wanna call it a cult, you should try to learn about it and understand it to better arm yourself for discussions like these which i guarantee you'll have to engage in the future with others.
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Quote " when Caliphate comes Ummah will accept it and you ought to understand that Caliphate is Islamic government with one leader (Caliph). Your "caliph" did not rule over anyone and no Muslims nation accepted him as the caliph so prophecy obviously is still to be fulfilled. Don't confuse people with what you misinterpreted and try to prove with pick and chose citation of hadith and Qur'an. Caliph has a state over which he presides and is accepted by the majority of Muslims of that state. And please don't debate with me now trying to convince me that your sect leader was a caliph. Even today after 100 years as you said you don't have any state nor power to impose any of the Islamic rules.
"Let there be Light!"
Traveller | Fri, 2007-10-19 09:30
Well Said and straight to the point.
I think we should get back to the real issues that face us today as Human beings, the global secret elites that control the worlds economy and political power is destroying the planet so piut aside these differences and fight oppression which effects us all.
From a personal opinion i couldent careless what people believe thats their choice but right now there are bigger issues to be dealing with.
Lets stop the bullcrap and work together, Khanverse as muslims we do accept Ahmadis as muslims but this doesnt mean we cannot work together to fight a just cause , Khanverse I pray Inshallah that your heart will see the light and that you will move away from the cult of ahmadiya qadiyanism until i then i call a truce and forgive you of your attacks on Muslims and Islam, keep fighting against zionism and world banking elites and you will get my support, peace Abdullah celt Islam.
"Iraq is a War.
Afghanistan is an Occupation.
Suicide-Bombing is a Terrorism.
Guantanamo is a Concentration Camp.
Detention without Charge is an Inquisition."
[ Shaykh abdal qadir as sufi ]
www.shaykhabdalqadir.com
Now what do all of you guys think of this???
Like this laura Mansfield thing!
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/main.asp
"You’ll hear that radical Islam is a creeping force that will eventually overtake us, and life as we know it in the United States will change dramatically for those who do not convert to Islam. You hear Iran’s president vowing to destroy both the US and Israel, and you hear Osama Bin Laden talk about restoring the Global Caliphate.
You’re not hearing this by accident.
The Propaganda War is in full swing.
The truth is this:
• We are not losing the war in Iraq
• We are not getting our butts kicked in the War on Terror
• Radical Islam DOES want to rule the world
What no one is telling you is that the only way Radical Islam can “take over the world” is if we roll over and play dead; in other words, we would have to surrender, either overtly or by doing nothing to stop it."
Pretty interesting stuff, don't you all think?
Radical Islam or Islamic terrorist is a contradiction in terms .
It is totally impossible to be a true Muslim and simultaneously a violent terrorist. The Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said that a Muslim is the one from whose tongue and whose hand you are safe.
The Qur'an does not talk of "moderates" and "radicals", but of "muminun" { belivers } and "kafirun" { disbelivers } – of those who accept and those who reject divine guidance.
The Qur'an identifies the kafirun { disbelivers } as "the people of the left" and the muminun { belivers } as "the people of the right".
The term "radicalization" derives from the word "radical" which used to refer to the root or source of a matter, but which is now usually used to identify some form or other of extremism. It is usually the concept or label used by those who wish to target or isolate specific groups, whether Muslims or non-Muslims, who are perceived as imagined or potential threats to the currently dominant status quo which endorses and supports the disguised, unelected and therefore undeniably undemocratic, ruling banking elite, the 200 or 300 or so families who control 90% of the world's wealth.
Since the original revelations of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, may Allah bless them and grant them peace, all categorically forbid the practice of usury and interest based economy, anyone who wishes to abide by this divine prohibition is automatically labelled as "radical" both by the bankers and by the politicians and organisations who support them.
What kind of person spends his or her life trying to come up with the most efficient technological means of exterminating large numbers of people as swiftly as possible? What kind of person makes their living not only by producing these weapons but also by selling them to both sides of any conflict?
What kind of person is prepared not only to buy these weapons but also to use them? What kind of person does not care who they kill or how they kill or why they kill? Can they be described as real human beings? I think not.
"Iraq is a War.
Afghanistan is an Occupation.
Suicide-Bombing is a Terrorism.
Guantanamo is a Concentration Camp.
Detention without Charge is an Inquisition."
[ Shaykh abdal qadir as sufi ]
www.shaykhabdalqadir.com
as the maxim of our community says:
Love for All, Hatred for None.
despite the fact that I completely disagree with you and YOUR apparent disrespect of the Quran, and innovation (bida) of loud chants and dances, I still recognize and respect your right to call yourself muslim and practice in peace. I also am wholly in alliance with any anti-zionist whether muslim, or not.
Hopefully, if nothing else, through my actions you and others will see the accusation of ahmadis being Zionist "puppets" as the monumental fraud it is....
And as I pray for the ummah in grief EVERY DAY, I'll pray for you and all others to recognize the Imam Mahdi (as) and save yourself from the Spiritually Blind and Worldly Eye wide open Dajjal that currently terrorizes the entire globe.
Peace, Love, Respect, & Justice to ALL
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