Turks vote to invade Iraq
On Wednesday the Turkish parliament voted 507-19 to give the Turkish military clearance to invade Iraq. Most of the 19 ‘NO’ votes came from Kurdish members of the Turkish parliament. The Turkish Aktif Television television network ran a joyous banner under its newscasts saying, “We are going into Iraq!”
The news caused a surge in oil prices to $89 a barrel on the world market.
The Turkish government and the western media portray all this as a move to fight the PKK, which is a lie. The issue is oil, and Kurdish empowerment.
The Turks have two possible motives for threatening to invade…
1) They may be serious. The Turks are a rather vain and petty people, motivated as much by sheer spite as by practical considerations. (This does not include the Greek and Armenian minorities in Turkey.) They resent Kurdish empowerment. They know the Barzani clan in northern Iraq has made deals with private oil companies, and is about to claim Mosul, plus the Kirkuk oil fields. Iraqi Kurds consider the oil-rich city of Kirkuk — which is currently under control of the central government of Baghdad — to be the "Jerusalem" of Kurdistan, stolen from them by a Ba'athist ethnic-cleansing campaign in the 1980s. The last major Turkish incursion into northern Iraq was in 1997, when about 50,000 troops were sent to the region. The Turks may invade again, this time to disrupt northern Iraq as much as possible. Many Turkish troops have already been in Iraq for quite some time, and more are now massing on the Iraq border. If the Turks do invade, it will be in increments, with pauses to gauge U.S. and israeli reactions. Eventually they will establish an Israeli-style “buffer zone.” Last week two US F-16 fighter jets based in Iraq strayed accidentally into Turkish airspace. The Turkish media claimed that this was an attempt to intimidate Turkey into not invading.
2) They may simply be angling for bribes. Turks see unconditional U.S. and Israeli support for Kurds in Iraq, and think, “Aren’t we as good as the Kurds?” They are arrogant and given to sulking (much like zionists, which is one reason why Turkey is so closely allied with israel). Fortunately this makes Turkey easy to handle. Right now, IMF personnel are negotiating with the Turks to build giant hydroelectric plants and other projects in eastern Turkey. This influx of money could satisfy Turkish vanity, and will also saddle Turkey with whopping new debts, which the average Turkish people will have to pay off.
Hence it's possible that Bush and the IMF may talk the Turks into not invading.
The Turks’ ace in the hole is their “war on terror” with the PKK, which is their cover story for opposing Kurdish empowerment overall. A “war on terror” allows a government to make any excuse for invading or for not invading. Every incident, no matter how trivial, becomes a “suicide bombing” by “fanatics.”
We’ll have to see what happens. They crux of everything is the imminent move by the Kurdish Regional Government (led by the Barzani clan) to claim northern Iraq’s oil. Turkey fears that Iraqi Kurds want to establish an independent Kurdish state, which could revive the aspirations of separatist Kurds in Turkey. The western media conceals all this by saying Turkish moves are entirely directed at the PKK. The Peshmurga (Kurdish militia, loyal to the Barzani clan) says Turkey is already shelling border areas. They have warned Turkey not to invade.
Syrian President Bashar Assad supports an invasion, because it will complicate things for the American occupiers in Iraq, and because Assad would like better relations with Turkey. In this, Assad goes against Syria’s 2 million Kurds, which are 10.5 percent of Syria’s 19 million population.
Meanwhile several Democrats in the U.S. House, buckling under pressure from Bush, have withdrawn their support for the Armenian genocide recognition.
Iran continues to shell villages in the Qandil mountains that are home to various Kurdish groups, one of which — the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PEJAK) — is waging a guerilla insurgency against the Iranian government. Such cross-border violence is becoming a regular feature of life in the north.
If Turkey invades Iraq from the west, Iran may also invade from the east.
Iraqi Kurdish media report that the Iranian military is massing at the main border crossing into northern Iraq, possibly for an incursion against PEJAK. Clashes between PEJAK and the Iranians have been increasing steadily.
PEJAK is different from PKK?
iraelis support Turks, but they also support Kurds? Yet both Kurds and Turks oppose each other?
These are really strange games.
To me, the only reason I can think of that would explain why the US and israel would support a Turkish invasion of Iraq - despite their protestations to the contrary - is to FACILITATE BREAKING UP IRAQ - their ultimate goal from the outset.
I have no idea what Turkish motives are - I can only guess that they have something to do with power and control.
But, who is the 'good guy' and who is the 'bad guy' in this struggle? It's hard to tell without a solid understanding of the history of the region (which I don't have).
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have you heard about the theory of chaos...I think this is exactly what is happening in our world and particularly in ME. Interests are so intertwined and complex that they look like real chaos...however from every chaos an intelligent pattern (result) emerges that can be understood only after it achieves its purpose...its mind boggling how politics of today are played and I must admit that Zionists themselves are not that smart to control everything that is happening...I have a gut feeling that they are adjusting as they go along and that is why so many contradicting interests are being pursued by their different factions...therefore a lots of things that are going on right now don't make much sense to anyone but eventually purpose of it all will be evident in near future...I think after all that nobody knows for sure what kind of quantum possibilities will emerge from this situation but those who are smart not just plan A and B but probably complete alphabet of it...they have vision but how exactly they will accomplish their goal is not quite clear to them either...all of their questions have multiple choice answers and thats the uncertainty that makes everyone quite unsettled right now...NWO is emerging but how that NWO will look like nobody is yet certain...
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israelis don't support the "turks", they support the system of government which the doenmeh control which are their zionist allies...
think of the kurds like the armenians. another marginalized community given promises of an ethnotopia and financial support used to instigate attacks to pursue zionist interests and then stabbed in the back when they have been used to the extent necessary.
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The situation in northern Iraq is not complex. The zionist-owned western media makes it seem so, because they do not want Americans to understand what’s going on. That’s the only reason I’ve written a few posts on this matter.
Let me address your questions…
PEJAK is different from PKK?
Yes.
PEJAK and PKK are both Kurdish separatist movements. PEJAK focuses on Kurdish independence in Iran. PKK focuses on Kurdish independence in Turkey. Both are guerilla groups that function like cults.
A third group, the Peshmurga, is the Kurdish militia. They are loyal to the Barzani clan of Kurds, which rules the Kurdish Regional Government in northern Iraq.
Sometimes these three groups cooperate, since all three are Kurds. Sometimes they do not, since all three are ruled by different clan leaders. The most powerful clan is the crypto-Jewish Barzani clan, which has made oil deals with Bush’s cronies, and with French and Canadian oil companies. This clan is about to seize the Kirkuk oil fields from Baghdad control -- which is what all the furor is about.
iraelis support Turks, but they also support Kurds? Yet both Kurds and Turks oppose each other? These are really strange games.
Actually the game is routine among imperialists. The israelis walk a tightrope between Kurds and Turks, supporting both. The israelis want their oil pipeline from Iraqi Kurdistan to Haifa, but they also use secular Turks against the overall Muslim world. Culturally, israelis and secular Turks are similar. Both are vain, warlike, and vicious. Both see themselves as eternal “victims.” Both run brothels and casinos.(Most israeli tourists spend their vacations in Turkey.)
Islamist Turks do not play this game, but they are not in power right now—although they are making steady gains.
The current cooperation between Jews and secular Turks began with Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (1881 –1938) the founder of the Republic of Turkey and its first President. Atatürk secularized Turkey (pushed aside Islamists). Many of his henchmen were Jews or crypto-Jews. Some were Kurds that opposed Turkish Islamists.
To me, the only reason I can think of that would explain why the US and israel would support a Turkish invasion of Iraq - despite their protestations to the contrary - is to FACILITATE BREAKING UP IRAQ - their ultimate goal from the outset.
Most Americans think the Bush regime wants Turkey to invade. This is exactly the opposite of reality. The USA knows the breakup of Iraq cannot be forced. Such breakups have never worked at any time in history. Instead, the separate areas must be encouraged to break up on their own. This is what’s happening with the oil deals between the KRG (Barzani clan) and outside companies. A breakup allows private oil companies to come in. Such companies could never have reached agreements with all the different groups in a unified Iraq. A unified Iraq would remain too nationalist. The solution is to promote a breakup of Iraq, so that oil companies can deal with each Iraqi group separately. This breakup is facilitated, not enforced. The Bush / Cheney regime and the israelis want it to go smoothly, without a Turkish invasion.
I have no idea what Turkish motives are - I can only guess that they have something to do with power and control. But, who is the 'good guy' and who is the 'bad guy' in this struggle? It's hard to tell without a solid understanding of the history of the region (which I don't have).
To understand Turkish motives, it helps to think of secular Turks the same way we think of zionists. Both want to keep indigenous peoples down – Palestinians for zionists and Kurds (inside Turkey) for secular Turks. Both want to maintain hegemony in the region around them. Both are vain. Both are imperialists and eternal “victims.”
To repeat, Islamists in Turkey do not play this game, nor do Greek and Armenian minorities. However, secular Turks hold power. Some are zionist Jews.
Who is the ‘good guy’? Russia, Iran, and Turkish Islamists. The Kurds are neutral, and want self-rule in northern Iraq (although some Kurds would like an independent Kurdistan consisting of all Kurdish areas, which includes part of Turkey and Iran).
The evil ones are israelis, the US government, and secular Turks. All are allied. However, only the Israelis and the U.S. government want an independent Kurdistan in northern Iraq, since this allows private oil companies to come in, and allows the pipeline to israel.
Secular Turks do not want an independent Kurdistan in northern Iraq, because independence might encourage separatism among Kurds in Turkey.
Likewise, Iran does not want an independent Kurdistan in northern Iraq, because independence might encourage separatism among Kurds in Iran.
The situation is not complex, but the western media intentionally makes it so, in order to mask the breakup of Iraq. For example, all western media outlets say Turkish objections center on the PKK. Secular Turks use the PKK to hide their overall objectives. The PKK gives them a “war on terror.”
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On a separate note, the “war on terror” angle shows why Putin’s summit meeting in Iran is so important -- so important, in fact, that the zionist-owned western media ignores it. They don’t want the U.S. public to understand what’s going on. If the American peasantry understands what's going on, they might get ideas of independence themselves.
One reason why the summit is so important is that Azerbaijan is crawling with Israeli nationals. These israelis, along with secular Turks, support the Azeri government against the Azeri people, and against Iran, Armenia, and Russia. The Azeri government uses the “war on terror” to maintain its tyranny.
However, Russia and Iran will remove the need for a “war on terror" by forming an alliance among Caspian Sea states, including Azerbaijan. This is truly momentous. The Azeri government will remain in power, but it will not feel so isolated, and thus not be so tyrannical. An alliance between Caspian Sea states will offset Turkish and israeli meddling in the region.
Azerbaijan is Shiite Muslim. There are more Azeris in Iran than in Azerbaijan. This alliance will promote solidarity. If the alliance succeeds, it will be a major defeat for israel, the Bush regime, and secular Turks. Russia and Iran will do everything possible to make sure it succeeds.
I really appreciate your whole comment, AZ, because it clarifies so much what we need to know and understand, so thank you.
AZ - "To repeat, Islamists in Turkey do not play this game, nor do Greek and Armenian minorities. However, secular Turks hold power. Some are zionist Jews.
Who is the ‘good guy’? Russia, Iran, and Turkish Islamists. The Kurds are neutral, and want self-rule in northern Iraq (although some Kurds would like an independent Kurdistan consisting of all Kurdish areas, which includes part of Turkey and Iran)."
PLEASE do not say 'islamists'.
The term really does not exist and was invented only just a few years ago by the demonic zionista press to put a Satanic taint on Muslims - probably started after 9-11.
Muslims are not 'islamists' they are Muslims.
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In regards to the last part of your comment, AZ....isn't this what Awakened Goyim meant when he said Iraq will not be divided? With Russia and Iran forming an alliance, the usa/israel entity won't succeed with these three provinces of Iraq. No?
Yes, I hate to use that stupid word "Islamists," but I was in a huge rush when I wrote that comment. It's a like "Islamo-fascists."
By "islamists" I simply meant people who are religiously inclined. I intended it as a neutral term.
I knew "Islamists" would be a problem, but as I said, I was in a rush. (I had to leave for work.)
Thanks for your comment.
In a previous comment I suggested that either the Turks are serious about invading, or else they are bluffing in order to get bribes. It’s possible they want to be paid some baksheesh not to invade.
The latter possibility is given weight by the fact that economic ties between Turks and Kurds have recently been growing at a strong rate. Turkish companies, workers, and goods have been flocking to northern Iraq, because the Kurds control 17 percent of Iraq’s oil revenues, and are about to control a lot more.
Up-scale Iraqi Kurdish supermarkets in northern Iraq are stocked almost entirely with Turkish brands. Turkish contractors are building high-rise apartments for the Kurds. Turkey is northern Iraq’s biggest trading partner.
In the Kurdish capital of Erbil (Iraq), 380 out of 500 foreign companies are Turkish. In Dohuk, a city further west, 65 percent of contracts worth $350 million so far this year have gone to Turkish companies.
Turks got contracts to build new airports in Erbil ($350 million) and Suleimaniyah ($300 million). A Turkish company got a $260 million contract to build a new university campus in Suleimaniyah. Why would the Turks invade and mess all that up?
"The quality of Turkish work is good, and they’re much more trustworthy than the Iranians", shrugs Ibrahim Sofy, deputy head of Erbil’s Chamber of Commerce.
This verifies my claim that Kurds are very similar to secular Turks (but not religious Turks).
The Kurds have built a state-of-the-art customs post at Silopi on the Iraqi border, which shows that they are counting on an expanding relationship with Turkey’s government.
Turkish trade with Iraq reached $3 billion in 2006 and could top $5 billion this year. Much Iraqi money is flowing to Turkey’s mainly Kurdish southeast.
BOTTOM LINE: the entire Turkish invasion threat could simply be hot air to get bribes from the USA.
Why mess up a growing relationship with the Kurds of northern Iraq?