towards non-Jews it makes a lot of sense to seek out markets without environmental restrictions and work-forces who have no union protection, no common health care and no human rights.

... China-Israel connection! Just business? No, racial bonding as well. I knew of this connection for quite sometime, it involves the Uyghurs of China's Sinkiang province and I came accross a confucian 'Jew' who set up agricultural projects for Israel in the Singkiang. I investigated, consulted my history books and, hey presto, the connection came out. Right, the Khazar connection. Why? Because the historical Uyghurs were also part of the West-Turks' Empire, they had their own Uyghur Empire in the east, the exact analogous of the Khazar Empire in the west and around the same time. Moreover, the Uyghurs' elite gave Genghis-Khan's Mongols their scribes, administrators and advisors in the east in the same way the Khazars' elite (the Askenazis, to simplify) gave the Mongols their administrators in the west (Poland, tartar yoke's Russia). That's what I know, so I'm not surprised if there is an Israeli-Sinkiang-China connection. No, it's no paranoia. What I told you is probably only one small piece of the full explanation.

Uyghurs are mostly Muslims now yes?

This might interest you:
http://www.eastturkestan.net/

China also does not do what Israel wants, so we might be overstating the power of the jews.

Their power is in the mind, people are controlled by 'magic numbers' on bank computers....X person owes $20,000 plus 6% interest, X works like a dog, fears the loss of his job and plays the game. The Jewish bankers laugh and get to own everyone and everything. To escape the enslaved have to reject the mind structure.

... is just as important as business partnership, actually is a guarantee for the latter. Of course you're right, the Uyghurs are Muslims now, but so are the Turks, and how do you explain that muslim Turkey never sided with the arab states in a war against Israel? I explain it to myself through racial bonding between Turkey's elite and Israel's. And it's true that the Han peoples (the bulk of the Chinese) have no racial links with the Jews. However, in the north of China heavy mixing between the Han and the Turko-Mongol peoples took place around the time of the Great Wall and after Genghis-Kahn's time. So it's a very complex relationship, like always is. Still, I said the Uyghur connection is only a piece of the explanation, money making up much of the rest.
Did you know Olmert was born in China, probably ? from 'confucian' jewish parents?

the Chinese and the Azkenazi Jews do business, because of racial bonds, which are 1500 years old?

For God´s sake we all have racial bonds with each other on this planet.
Everybodie´s ancestors come from Africa. And look how "nice" we Europeans and European decendents have behaved to our distant relatives from the dark continent.

You make it sound as if "racial bonds" are so powerful that they even work in the subconscious.
The Chinese who have several hundred generations ago intermarried with the Mongolians and the "Kazar" who have once done the same, probably do not know about their distant relationship.

Actually I allways thought, that the notion that there were still people who disliked Jews just for their genetics, was more or less either paranoid or propaganda.

You are doing your very best to convince me otherwise.
For what reason?

Your views might have been considered cool in the 1930s, now they are highly un-cool.

My only explanation is that you grew up at that time, which makes you just slightly younger than my late grandfather and quite a few years older than my father.

Your reasoning of cause and effect is flawed, if you presupposes genetics to be mostly responsible for the behavior of certain groups.
There can be a thousand other reasons, why people behave the way they do.

Your prejudice about genetic predetermination lets you miss the overall picture: Other minorities in other areas have served the power-elites of their time as well.
Its a trick plutocrats use to exploit the under-class without getting their own hands dirty. This trick kept rebellions away from the Plutocrats´door step and rather puts the minority in the line of fire.
Other minorities have experienced similar pogroms by the majoritu among they lived as Jews have.
The middle-men role in a oppressive system is neither unic for Jews nor has it anything to do with genetics.

Although I agree with much of what history_worm has written, he's wrong about any genetic or racial link between Jews and Chinese.

About 90% of Jews are Caucasians. Anyone needs to be blind to not see that. Jewish Supremacists have always considered non-whites to be inferior people. Just look at the way Semitic and Hamitic (Ethiopian) people are treated in Israel! Ashkenazis are very condescending toward Sephardics and other minorities.

The Chinese are becoming more successful than Americans because they havn't been through all the "dumbing down" in their society that we've had to endure here. They still value marriage, monogamy and close family ties. They're willing to work rather than to waste their time getting fat sitting on the couch watching soap operas, pornography, garbage movies and professional sports. Sexual perversion (including homosexuality), which is promoted by the Jews through our media, is still not acceptable in China.

I like to think the Chinese people will never become cattle (goyim) for the Jews, the way we have in North America. The Chinese may eventually become more dominant than the Jews, maybe by the end of this century.

... erlenda and justice seeker: please read Rene' Grousset's treatise on the 'Empire of the Steppes'. It's a little dated, but it's a masterpiece. There you will learn that: 1) the Khazars did have an outstanding empire in the North Caucasus, but they were a splinter of the West-Turks' (Tu-Chueh) Empire; therefore they are turkik and not caucasians (I've explained this in a previous post already, in response to justice seeker's). 2) around the same time as the Khazars in the West, the Uyghur Turks (also Tu-Chueh) organised their own empire in the East, south of the Baikal region, including the present-day chinese Sinkiang region. Khazars and Uyghurs provided administrators for the Mongols, for they had a very highly educated (for the time) elite. Douglas Dunlop (authority on the jewish Khazars) even reports that the Khazars and Uyghurs were once (about 1300 years ago) one and the same people.
So, I am not saying Israel is doing business with China because they are tribally linked, would I be so stupid? I'm saying Israel is exploiting the tribal bonding with the Uyghurs (who still exist in China's Sinkiang with this name) to begin penetrating China. Nevermind the Uyghurs are Muslims and the Israelis jewish, tribal bonding within the Turanians (who have been in different times and within different tribes: Manicheans, Nestorians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and Confucians) goes beyond religion. How else can you explain the alliance between Israel and Turkey?
As for erlenda calling me names (old-fashioned racist, in a nutshell), I believe you must be so young as to be still under the unflux of jewish propaganda in your country - Germany - reduced indeed to an israeli colony. The old-fashioned anthropologists measured skulls, bone structures. They had to extrapolate on those grounds, but nowadays we have more powerful tools like archeology, linguistics and comparative history. On these bases we can see the extent of tribal bonding. And for your wild extrapolations, we are all coming out of Africa, please! That was hundredthousands of years ago, not 1300 years ago. Go and look up the turkik nationalist site www.ozturkler.com and see for yourself whether tribal bonding is a reality or not.
Of course there's no tribal bonding between Jews and Han Chinese; but there is between Jews and China's Uyghurs and Manchurians. Besides the 'Jews are Caucasians' issue, I agree with everything else justice seeker said. Except:
Just look at the way Semitic and Hamitic (Ethiopian) people are treated in Israel! Ashkenazis are very condescending toward Sephardics and other minorities.
Sorry to differ with you, justice seeker, I've been to Israel and saw with my own eyes. The ashkenazic Israelis aren't condescending at all towards their sephardic and ethiopian citizens. There is constant in-fighting and the latter segments are viewed as inferior and even despised by the dominant Ashkenazis. It's only towards us Goyims they display an appearance of unity.

Check out this author and his book: Justin Jon Rudelson, "Oasis Identities: Uyghur Nationalism along China's Silk Road" (Columbia UP, 1997).
Justin Jon Rudelson grew up in Beverly Hills, CA. In his teens he became part of an extended chinese family, went native and set out to become a Confucian Jew, a journey that lead him to study Mandarin and eventually 20 other languages including Uyghur, Uzbek, Russian, Japanese and Hebrew. ... he helped introducing drip irrigation technology from Israel to China's deserts. ...
So, no tribal-bonding connection, eh?

For every Confucian Jew, there's about 500,000 European Jews. History_worm, you're making too much of "Asiatic" connections...
Let's not focus on race and racial differences so much, it's not constructive! We'll NEVER win by doing that. We need to be unified in order to overcome Jewish Supremacism and clean up the mess it's made of the world.
Please, read all of qrswave's posts, both at this website and back at the blogspot. More than anyone, she has a clear understanding of what's going on. Then think of solutions to the problem.

Again, UNITY is the key to victory. Focusing on racial difference and religious differences is just playing into the Zionists' hands. That's what they want us to do, fight among ourselves and stay divided!

There are two sides in the struggle:
1) Jewish Supremacists (variably called Neocons and Zionists), their foolish Zionist "Christian" allies, and stupid servile "useful goy" like George Bush
2) Everyone else: Arabs, Persions, Christians, Muslims, Chinese, Europeans, Latin Americans, Germans, Malaysians, Hindus, etc.

I'm in group 2. C'mon, history_worm, join us!

... my dear friend justice seeker! You say the very same things I preach about unity of us Gentiles against jewish supremacy and in order to overcome this state of servitude.
My last comment was in fact for you and those who still doubt about the turkik origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, our real opponents. For the Israeli-Uyghur connection shows once more: 1) that the Ashkenazis indeed are overwhelmingly turkik to these day (the Uyghurs are turkik and not chinese Han people) and 2) that some amongst the Ashkenazis are well aware of their turkik tribal origins.
Once this is all agreed amongst us conspirators, we have a powerful tool of historical analysis about the true history of the Ashkenazis. Then we can go over to a search for realistic solutions to get out of this situation of slavery. I have already indicated some directions, like the apportioning of posts of responsibility (political, judicial, academic, financial, ...) proportionally to the ethnic (or tribal, or religious) composition in any one state. These laws would not be racial or racialist. These laws would be the real solution to the mess in the Middle East. Other suggestions can be found in Beaty's book and should be brought up to date.
Concluding, I'm with you in group 2. I'm only trying to form a common basis of understanding and not insisting on the Central Asia connection (which however remains my academic specialisation).

Well I agree with History Worm about the importance of genetics, race and so on. I actually must go back again and have a good read on what he says, as I find it fascinating, and clearly their appears to be some strong merit as to what he stated with his back-up evidence.

Justice Seeker makes great points as well. He (I am assuming u are a "he") makes excellent points on the dumbing and downing of Americans. Our lack of knowledge is truly a disease which is eating us up! Pornography, sexual perversions, lack of family unity, too much junk on TV and the movie theatres, it's all around us to turn us into stupid, lazy people, completely unaware of the world we live in. We have truly been lulled into a zombie stupor.

And we feed right into the zionists' pockets: We get fat and stupid, they get rich and ever more conniving.

That's the way they like us and we let them. It's a horribly sad and wicked dance. One day their macabre of "music" must end!

Speaking of zionists, I would like to ask history worm and justice seeker [anyone else can give feedback if they like!] about "kinds" or "brands" of zionism. I am having a debate with a zionist on another blogsite about this. The creepy crawly tells me there's such a thing as "political" zionism which is bad and "cultural" zionism which is good. And I say: No Difference! It's all BAD.

For example:

The creepy crawly dares to tell me that Einstein was a cultural zionist, therefore a "good" zionist. I told him Einstein was NEVER a zionist. Period. That the zionist press put words into Einstein's mouth after he died.

What do any of you think of this "kinds" of zionism nonsense??? I'm all ears. Maybe you guys can give me a good lambasting retort for the zio-thug.

First of all, erIenda and justice seeker are right in saying we, the conspirators, should smooth out our differences and join in one single block of force to shake the jewish supremacy off our back. Indeed the zionists want us divided, weakened and therefore even more subdued to their exploiting ways.
However, it's also important that we all know our enemy well, that we make no mistake in representing his features, his past history and whereabouts.
Genetics is a science in its infancy and its impact in history and politics is rather marginal. That's why I would leave concepts like race, blood and genetics aside - just terminology - because what really binds individuals is TRIBALISM. Radioscope did tell us the 'jewish' people is clanish, that patrilinear descent determines the belonging to a 'jewish' clan. There's enormous tribal and historical significance in this 'revelation' of Radioscope, but have no space to elaborate on this now.
Regarding 'good' and 'bad' zionists, indeed they are all bad, all supremacists. The difference between 'cultural' and 'political' zionists is a rather thin one, the first being academics and the second politicians and generals. Their goals are the same, achieving 'jewish' supremacy in the form of a new Khazaria in the Middle East, Greater Israel. Albert Einstein was a zionist full stop, never mind he was 'cultural'. He was a fraud, a plagiarist and lended his name and fame (achieved also through zionist tribalism and connivence) to the zionist cause. The letter he wrote to Roosevelt for the ushering of the atomic weapons' age puts him right in Hell in my view, but he was told to write it by zionists and 'jewish' supremacists. Einstein was used by and himself used the zionists, have a look at a book that can be found in the net with the title 'The Making of St. Einstein'.

And yes,history worm,the assumption, that race, the genetic group you were born into, determines your behavior and worth as a human being is the ultimate definition of racism.
Since from what you are writing I assume that you are German, as I am, does that make us genetically the enemy of all the Slavic peoples of Europe? And since you see the Jews as a Turcic tribe, also the enemies of the Turks?

There are several reasons why racism is self-defeating:

First: you deprive yourself of allies.
If you insist, that your oponent is the way he is, because of the genes his collectice group suposedly has got, then you cannot hope for dissidents or whistle-blowers from this group to work with you, since any dissidents will have the same genes and therefor feel targeted by you.
And members of other groups will be very wary of you, they can´t be confident, that one day you will not turn on them either for having the wrong kind of genes.

Second: racism against this group will strengthen group cohesion.
People will be too afraid to leave the group and leaving behind the only protection they might have against violent racist attacks from others who think like you do.

Third:Your racism can be used by the oponent as a convenient cover for false flag attacks and hoaxes.
Let´s take France. After Ariel Sharon called on the French Jews to move to Israel because of a "terrible rise in anti-semitic attacks". Some highly publicized "anti-semitic" attacks happened, in many cases the culprits could not be aprehended in a few cases however, the police could prove the attacks were self-inflicted, in other words hoaxes.
In Iraq the Israeli Mossad attacked Jewish synagogues, while at the same time panphlets with anti-jewish slogans were printed.
This stampeded Iraqi Jews into Israel.

Forth: racism can be made into a tool for divide and conquer.
In Ruanda the western Imperialist created an upper class of Africans on "racial" criterias, like a lighter color of skin and more caucasian facial features.
This artificial "upper class", the Tutsis was then used to rule the rest of the indigenous people, the Hutus.
After the end of the colonial rule this Tutsi upper class believed in their own superiority and did not want any democratic rule by the majority Hutu population. The civil war out of this, heavily subsidized by the CIA, resulted in the well known Ruandan genocide, with a million or more victims both Hutu and Tutsi.

Racism can also divide anti-oppression movements. Arguments based on racism will discredit all other arguments made, since they now seem just a thin disguise for replacing one supremacism with another.

There is another aspect to it also:
While it seems to you, history worm, that your views on the genetic cause of human behavior are based on sound scientific or historic facts, it is in reality far more based on very selective reading of facts.

Let´s take the mutilation of womens´breast as war-crimes, documented in a book about Soviet atrocoties against the Germans to be driven out of Eastern Europe.
History worm,you state, that similar atrocities have been committed in ancient history by a tribe who might have been related to the Soviet commanders who committed that crimes who might have been Jewish. (In the same way as you say some tribes in China who have intermarried with the Mongols who in turn are related to the Kazars are resonsible for the China-Israel business connection)
But are those crimes therefor symptomatic for some genetic trait?

If the author of the book documenting these atrocities was not just the German equivalent of Ilya Ehrenburg (a skilled Soviet propagandist), then it is certainly a fact that terrible war-crimes have been committed against German women.

However, those crimes were not unprecedented and they were not only commited by other turcic tribes.

The mutilation and mass-rape of women is a tactic which has been used many times in order to terrorize the civilian population in an area to get them to succumb to invaders.

Reports from human right activists who came to villages in Nicaragua after the American trained and financed Contras had attacked them, show very similar accounts of atrocities:
Womens´ breasts had been cut off and the bellies especially of pregnant women had been slashed open.

Similar atrocities have been committed by American financed death-squads in El Salvador against local women and against female foreign aid workers.
There was a report about 4 American church women, who had been raped, mutilated and their underwear stuffed into their mouths.

Contra- and other death-squad-commanders have been trained in the "School of the Americas".
There they have been taught in the "art" of state-terrorism. Fear is the most effective tool that can be used to keep a population from rising up against oppression and injustice.
Deception, like false flag attacks and demonisation of the opponent, is another one.

But one does not have to do the mutilating with a knife.
Nowadays you just drop a bomb or shoot a missile into a civilian area and body parts get detached from the body´s of children and women, all of them alive at the moment they are being bombed, some of them even afterwards, suffering terrible agony and pain before they finally succumb to their wounds.

This tactic of utmost cruelty towards defenseless victims is NOT a unique one of a single tribe, nation, ethnicity or group.

Cruelty derrives from a cruel philosophy, from the notion that some have the inborn right to dominate others, either because they are better than those others because of their collective genes, a better more deserving race, or individually, they are stronger or more intelligent or whatever or even that they are spiritually more deserving.

But the dehumanisation of others as belonging to a less worth while ethnic or social group as oneself often makes those atrocities possible.

These things have happened before and they are happening right now and they must be stopped.