RENSE.com ~~~ another ~~~ ALEX "Disinformation" JONES
There are TONS of parallels, and the "uncanny" level of "sophistication" that is NOT the work of a 'single' person.
Plus, the UFOs, constant blabbering of Holohoax and Nazi Germany, etc.
Also, rense does NOT provide any "new" info. Granted, we here at WUFYS are a large gathering of external info as well, but if you actually READ rense.com "articles" you find .....
...... for starters, it doesn't tell you anything really useful.
....... secondly, it sounds A LOT like Alex Jones' "SENSATIONALISM".
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Think about that for a second.
Two (supposedly) different "sources", end up sounding ERIE the same.
This gives me the shivers! If you recall, during 9/11 2001, when the BUILDING WERE STILL STANDING (and there have NEVER EVER been a case in which skyscrappers fell from "fires").......
........ several ......
........ news reporters .......
........ in the USA .......
........ and UK ........
......... all reported .........
......... the SAME MESSAGE ........
......... that the towers were about ......
......... to COLLAPSE .......
......... all in a PRE-SCRIPTED ........
......... manner! ........
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Enter Mr. Jeff Rense and Mr. Alex Jones ;)
Sometimes it feels like we are making progress. But times like this, if feels the Khazars are 2, no 100 steps AHEAD of us.
They have TASERS employed in all of their puppet states.
They have shills and dis-information agents infiltrated in our truth movement.
They control the Western media, almost COMPLETELY!
They control the large corporations, police, military, secret service, CIA, FBI, IRS, death squads.
They control the Judiciary system, the boards of Universities/Colleges, even the large Charity organizations.
What do WE have?!?
We have our minds, mouths and souls. We have a longing for the truth, and we know we are being lied to. Because we know, there is still a hope for humanity.
I'm still not convinced that Alex Jones and Rense are "disinfo" agents.
Both sites have linked to WUFYS on numerous occasions (without any prompting).
I mean, I don't know these guys personally, I have no relationship with them whatsoever - why would they link to my posts - sometimes re-creating them if they didn't sincerely believe in the truth of what I had to say?
Granted they have not been linking to the site recently, but there could be reasons for that other than their being on the "other side."
Are they model truth tellers? No. But, then again who is? Let's all just try our best and save our fury for those who truly deserve it.
On another note, don't lose hope and be discouraged. Something new is happening every day. And every day we grow in rank.
I believe in miracles.
We may not have much, but we have sincere, unselfish beliefs in a greater humanity - and we have each other.
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"Money" has no value - people do.
..gotta love the scripted 9/11 witnesses ready to tell you how it is right after the attack, let alone that the collapse of building 7 was reported too early, with it still standing in the background, lol!
..God always prevails, the light of truth ALWAYS smites the falsehood of vipers!!
..oh oh oh, what that building behind you??!!
..zionist leanings, if not outright agents! think about it Qrs, the MSM doesn't report zionist crimes, and NEITHER DO THEY.
Larry Silverstein's confession:
Look.. ALL of you, who thinks that guy is a Zionist dis-info agent are WRONG!
The ones who sais this is actually the REAL disinfo agents!
DONT let the CIA split us into two groups!
ALex jones is NOT a disinfoagent!
My father even KNOWS some of the guest on his radio show..
and.. Alex helped AAron russo a LOT!
There is a nasty trend within the truth movement to label anyone who does not present exactly the required message in the manner expected, as 'disinfo agents'.
I disagree that both Rense and Alex Jones automatically qualify as a disinfo agents even though there might be subjects they are unwilling to touch. Rense might just qualify for the 'mullet of the year' award though! I can't comment on the content on rense.com, as only a couple of minutes on the site makes me feel ill due to the garish colour scheme and amateurish design.
I think they both Jones and Rense tailor their message and their style to an audience, an audience that would not otherwise be reached. After all, not everyone is ready to find out exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes.
...was one of the first sites I came across when something, somewhere, kicked me in the head and said "WAKE UP!".
I found myself exposed to information that I had not known before. And it was helpful; in the respect that it made me want to learn more.
(fast forward a couple of years)
As I did learn more I began to notice something about Jones. He had valuable (almost insider) information and he would/will go all the way up to the very edge, and put his toes on it, but would never cross the line and discuss the zionist/ashekenazi/kahzar involvement. Nope. No Israeli link. No mention of zionism.
So I did some scratching around. (no serious PI work, just publicly available info) And Lo and Behold! It turns out his wife is Jewish! Well, that explains his avoidance of the jewish/israeli/ziocon connection - but the doing so completely discredits him in my book.
As for Rense:
I still keep him bookmarked ...(Jones is long gone though)... because I consider his site entertainment more than anything else. Yes he does occasionally post a valid piece by a respected author, but I also like to be kept up to date on how the flouridated chemtrails containing avian flu being spread out over the countryside from mysterious aircraft piloted by chupacabras are going to affect my day.
And the overall point is well taken and has been noticed. Whenever the two of them dwell on the same subject, it is as though they are reading from the same script.
I do however like Mikey Rivero's site WRH as he does not flinch from exposing zionist atrocities and he likes to throw in some humor from time to time. I have noticed that he links to WUFYS often.
In fact, that is how I found this place. And I'm glad I did.
That "red pill" was a tough one to swallow at first, but once it gets into your system, clarity begins to settle in.
If Alex Jones is a disinfo agent, then he is really bad at it. He has done more than almost anybody to get the truth out about 911. He interviews government officials and gets them on the record as to 911 being an inside job. I feel that endorsements by CIA and FBI officials, and even celebrity endorsements help to sway public opinion toward opening a new investigation.
There are those who will say that Jones is not honest because he doesn't blame israel, but I believe that that is a tactic. People who hear someone blaming israel for the 911 attacks are likely to close their ears. People in this country have been programed to disregard any attacks on israel as being "anti-semitic". Any real investigation into 911 will reveal the true culprits, (MOSSAD), and Jones knows that.
As to all the other content on the Jones and Rense sites, I think you have to accept that with everybody. Look at this site: We've got a gal on WUFYS that thinks she is Jesus Christ, and the Mahdi. Whatreallyhappened links to the fascist site NewsBusters, and today WHR has a story linked that suggests someone tried to shoot Bush in the white house from Arlington National cemetery 2 miles away.
UFOs are a classic way of making someone look like a kook. Although the name itself means nothing, (merely that there is an object flying that cannot be identified), it implies little green men. Millions of people have seen these things. You can watch videos of UFOs on youtube. Acknowledging that you have seen one does not make you crazy. I think it indicates honesty more than craziness.
(My own belief is that the universe is so immense that there must be other intelligent life on other planets. That these other intelligent life forms have discovered the secret to interstellar travel does not seem impossible to me. On our own planet we managed to learn how fly in machines heavier than air, and then progressed to space flight in less than one century. Imagine what human beings could accomplish (with God's grace) in a thousand more years.)
I think it is more important to debate facts more than personalities. All people are prone to err, so it should not surprise us when someone falls short of our expectations. Just because a site doesn't follow my own version of what happened on 911, that doesn't make then an agent.
I don't buy into everything at these sites. I take something that looks real, and then I try and find the story elsewhere.
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"Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."
Like most people I stumbled upon Alex Jones in early 2002, I believe (a few months later than most of you).
Granted he does provide some uncanny "useful" info. By he has the "death-cult-edge" to him --- I knew about the Bohemian Grove before he mentioned it. Funny, I think I learned about it in either Elementary or Jr High.
It's funny how 'information' disseminates even to the playground. I also learned about "humping" and "sex" in elementary from my school friends, when none of us reached puberty yet!! LOL.
The point I'm making is that, I've followed Alex Jones "religiously" (mind you he was NOT my only source) for YEARS. I'm the very meticulous type of person, who SCIENTIFIC ANALYZES EVERYTHING --- well this is how my mind works.
I agree with QRS that we should focus on efforts on the head of the Zionist Mafia, Chertoff, Kissinger, Feith, etc.
But I wanted to put these two "gentlemen" on NOTICE --- that we need to be vigil and cautious with ALL SOURCES of info. Don't rely on any one source, but more importantly ask these questions:
1) What is the message, and more importantly what is the EFFECT?!
2) Who stands to benefit, and who are the REAL victims?!
Heck, don't EVER "believe" what anyone says, even me.
To me, "belief", by definition means to channel our convictions and 'trust' into something WITHOUT having neither the understanding OR facts ---- "belief/faith" by definition is BLIND DEVOTION.
And that is a big NO NO.
BTW, I still occasionally check up on Jones and Rense ;)
One more point, that I think has been made very well, of which I have been promoting very strong.
And that is of --- UNITY ---
United we stand, divided we fall!
I also used the justification that Alex Jones "purposely" and "strategically" avoiding certain topics: a) to get followers, and b) to avoiding becoming ostracized by the Khazars.
Granted, the Zionists are one powerful bunch, and I can understand the extend of Ron Paul's bravery --- he said a lot, without DIRECTLY naming the 'jews' --- that's how he can last so long.
So, I guess we need to give Mr.Jones and Mr.Rense some benefit of the doubt.
But what I really want, is to HONESTLY discuss 1-to-1 with them, with the understanding that we will NOT release ANYTHING they say to the public --- so they can speak candidly and freely.
I would really like to hear them truthfully explain their position, and answer so many questions about their integrity and agenda --- but to do so, requires:
a) someone whom they know well and trust, and
b) they trust completely that the person will not reveal what they said to the public
(which is begs the question, what good is it that only one/two people know the truth???)
..so it's okay to judge everyone but the jews? that's their attitude, that when revolution happens, GENTILES WILL ATTACK THEIR OWN LEADERS, THEN LEAVE A POWER VACUUM FOR THE CHOSEN TO FILL!
..not mentioning the ISRAEL MOSSAD ZIONIST CONNECTION means PROTECTING TERRORISTS!!
..what does it make someone WHO PROTECTS TERRORISTS??
..a TERRORIST!! =P
..that PC excuse totally doesn't wash with me, in this day and age, nobody has a big enough excuse for AIDING-TERRORISTS!
..but God always has the last say, and this attempt at censorship by shaitan has failed; his henchmen are exposed for what they are, and the jokes on him 'cuz he's brought us half-way through the rabbit-hole!! (to get lost!)
..JoKeS oN YoU ZeR-0-NiTe!
I'm not putting Alex Jones on a pedestal, but the effect is unquestionable in his case. He has woken many people up who probably never would have woken up. I agree that he pussyfoots around the Zionist issue, but has been a little braver of late. He is a bit of a drama queen though, but I guess that appeals to his general listenership.
Blind devotion is very risky. The safest course of action by far is to question absolutely everything and everyone, whether it is Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Webster Tarpley, Mike Rivero, Justin Raimondo...
Granted, each of them has something to contribute but none of them have a monopoly on truth, nor do they have a complete grasp of it. Lets face it... none of us do. An unquestioning and idolising approach to any source of information is potentially highly dangerous.
Christopher Marlowe said...
I've never seen a link from WRH to NewsBusters, and I've just had a look now and I'm at a loss to find such a link.
Most people know what alcoholism is, how to avoid getting into it, or how to try getting out of it. But not so when it comes to HIV in 80's or even now. Researchers and doctors who wanted to help and got themselves involved, learned and CHANGED every year as they researched the disease. They got closer and closer to the facts and became more and more helpful to those infected and those at risk. Conversely, some not so genuine or competent in their intentions, came across authoritative but kept saying the SAME things : gay disease, minority disease, god's wrath, ...
What has hit numerous countries and a significant portion of humanity today is not a known natural disaster, like earth quake or drought. It is largely an unknown disease. And naturally those researchers who have got themselves involved and want to help (like most of us) are expected to learn and CHANGE every month and every year.
And as a bitter and hard conclusion, those who come across authoritative but act fairly perfunctorily and say pretty much the same things year after year cannot but be either disingenuous or awfully incompetent.
I honestly cannot see how we can assess activists like Amy Goodman, Michael Moore, Link-tv, Alex Jones, Rense, Noam Chomsky, ... have qualitatively (not more books, more broadcast stations, more DVDs, ...) learned and CHANGED over years and are closer to the facts and are more helpful to the infecteds. I would be very concerned if we cannot see what they say today is not much different from what they said five years ago.
All said, I am dead against spending time and energy in 'exposing' and creating infighting. It's much more prudent to just fill the gaps they knowingly or unknowingly leave open.
See "Global Warming Tutorial Media Should be Required to Watch" posted November 13, 2007.
WRH Link
It links to
NewsBusters Fascist Trash site (Also Featuring the latest unfunny newsbusters comedy news featuring Jody Miller who smirks constantly because she thinks everything she says is funny)
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"Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."
The hearing was chaired by Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, and ranking Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert. It was supposed to focus on the use of the internet by "home grown terrorist recruiters" yet in a shocking move it blatantly related the 9/11 truth movement with so called radical "jihadists".
In a very poorly prepared and delivered PowerPoint splurge, Mark Weitzman (pictured far right) stated:
Under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conspiracies and Disinformation " Weiztman threw in video of WTC building 7 collapsing on 9/11 as posted on various 9/11 truth affiliated websites, along with screen shots of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth site and other sites, such as Killtown's, who raised awareness of this .
The entire hearing can be viewed online at here
Weiztman's presentation represents the latest disgusting effort to lump in the movement to uncover the truth behind the 9/11 attacks, a movement which includes hundreds of first responders, firefighters, police, former intelligence officials and the largest 9/11 families representative group, with jihad groups and real Islamic extremists in order to demonize it.
Later on in the hearing, former RAND corporation director Bruce Hoffman re-iterated Weitzman's presentation, stating "These falsehoods and conspiracy theories have now become so ubiquitous and so pervasive that they are believed, so you have almost a parallel truth, and it has become a very effective tool for recruiting people."
Whichever way Hoffman dresses this up, it is plain fact that we have not been given the truth about what happened on 9/11. We have been subject to a "received truth", an official story that when compared with physical evidence does not hold water. In the absence of any real independent investigation, the evidence unearthed during six years of research by individuals and groups who want the truth has made the issue a phenomenon.
In recent polls up to 80% of Americans do not believe they have been told the truth about 9/11. Respected intelligence veterans agree with them. NIST, the body tasked with investigating the collapse of the buildings "cannot explain" why they fell. Yet corporate academics such as Bruce Hoffman continue to insinuate that the truth about 9/11 is and always has been set in stone and any deviation from the official story is a "falsehood".
To then implicitly suggest that the millions of Americans who have questioned the government version of events on 9/11 are synonymous with a vast minority of violent extremist radicals is either extremely ill informed or purposefully misleading.
Over recent months we have witnessed a growth in this disturbing trend to attempt to equate peaceful 9/11 researchers and truth activists with violence and extremism. The prime culprits have been establishment "news" hacks who are raising the same talking point ad infinitum, dubbing the global truth movement "anarchists" and violent individuals who may be aiding terrorists.
Talking heads such as Fox News bigot Bill O'Reilly and his frothing caricature Glenn Beck over on CNN, have specifically targeted 9/11 truthers in segments designed to portray the movement as dangerous and sow the seed in the minds of what viewers they have left that peaceful truth seekers are actually in league with violent terrorists.
People like O'Reilly and Glenn Beck would relish the opportunity to have their baseless allegations "proved right", and should some act of violence or terrorism be carried out, whether real or staged, they would love to blame it on the 9/11 truth movement, in a similar way to how the patriot movement was blamed for the OKC bombing in 1995.
The bill to which these hearings are tied, H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 , defines "violent radicalization" as "The process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change."
It further defines "homegrown terrorism" as "The use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
The bill's reference to how "The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens," is shocking.
Remember, the bill is not aimed at "Al-Qaeda" websites or arabic forums that post alleged Bin Laden video tapes, it is aimed at American citizens using American based websites, like the very one you're reading now.
The opportunity for the state to seize upon violent posts left by trolls and use them to entrap peaceful 9/11 truthers under the guise that they "promoted violence" should be a major concern for us all.
Our message is simply this - don't even try it.
We have preached a doctrine of absolute non-violence from the very beginning and we will continue to do so. Anyone who calls for violence in a message board post is either a Fed, a Mom's basement dwelling troll who spends their entire day attempting to debunk the 9/11 truth movement, or a completely deluded moron who is unrepresentative of the vast majority of the 9/11 truth movement.
Those individuals who advocate violence should be sought out and investigated individually. Any plans to try and entrap prominent 9/11 truth movement figures using guilt by association should be abandoned immediately and we will ceaselessly emphasize this point until this current wave of propaganda subsides.
Aside from the attack upon 9/11 truth groups, the depiction of the internet as a whole drawn up by the House Homeland Security Subcommittee hearing is farcical. The panel does it's best to present the entire internet as some sort of vicious hate filled breeding ground for radical murderous terrorists. They give the impression that the youth of America are being recruited in their thousands to take down the country in some sort of monolithic war of civilizations. They depict myspace and youtube in such a way as to leave the average American viewer with the impression that those websites are akin to terror training camps.
One cannot help being reminded of the film reels of the McCarthy hearings of the early 1950s as the House is presented poorly thrown together slideshows that suggest that there are dangerous terrorists everywhere, on all manner of internet chat rooms, forums and message boards recruiting American teenagers to wage Jihad.
The informed masses can see through this garbage, they understand that freedom and the peaceful push for truth are the only way to counter any form of extremism. Thus the continued effort by the authorities to diminish civil liberties at home, to wage unprovoked aggression abroad and to demonize those who question such moves is contradictory to their own logic of fighting a "war on terror". Unless, that is, the war on terror is a fraud, perpetuated on a basis of fearmongering power politics.
The Cspan vid is priceless. Blatant,Vulgar and strewn with that mistaken "Jewish Logic" and ADL psychosis. Anyone wanna guess what this lot is thinking about WUFYS?
We see alright.
First you take D.C. Then you take New York
..all may be judged but the so called jews! just look, the TERROR-ZIO-NAZIS POINT THE FINGER AT TRUTH SEEKERS!!
..that PC excuse from Alex will never wash with me, but the end result is still the same. Jones tries to tell you it's the Gentiles, whilst Rense tries to discredit us all by mixing in totally out there, unchecked news stories. just look at how the satires got posted without a thorough check, it's almost like it was allowed on purpose!
PEOPLE WHO PROTECT THE REAL TERRORISTS, ARE. but we win anyways, because once the light of truth shines through, there's no going back, lol!
"I don't buy into everything at these sites. I take something that looks real, and then I try and find the story elsewhere."
Amen to that. You have to be diligent and find at least one other legit source to verify whatever you might read on the web.
Which is damned near impossible to do, with the American MSM being controlled by a handful of people with their own, private agenda.
If you're reading sites like WUFYS and WRH, you at least have an open mind and have thrown off some of the shackles thrust upon people by those seeking to dominate the world.
It's not going to be an easy or quick fight to regain control of our lives.
It may not even happen in our lifetime.
But one must resist the brainwashing of the masses being perpetuated by the likes of the NYT; CNN and FOX.
Those are some of the real disinformation sites.
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