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Will it honestly make any difference whether the next US president is a Democrat or a Republican?

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Copyright 2007 States News Service

December 12, 2007 Wednesday

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HOUSE PASSES KIRK PROPOSAL TO INTEGRATE U.S. NATIONAL BALLISTIC MISSILE DEFENSE WITH ISRAEL

States News Service

WASHINGTON

The following information was released by the office of Illinois Rep. Mark Steven Kirk:

The U.S. House of Representative today overwhelmingly passed a proposal engineered by U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) to fully integrate Israel into the U.S. National Ballistic Missile Defense System.

The proposal, contained in the final conference report on the National Defense Authorization Act, requires the Secretary of Defense to report back to Congress within 180 days with a plan to improve the coordination, interoperability, and integration of the U.S. National Ballistic Missile Defense System with Israel' missile defense architecture.

Democracies are strongest when they stick together, Congressman Kirk said. President Ahmadinejad calls for Israel to be wiped off the map and talks of the Jewish people' annihilation. Today America sends a message to the Iranian dictator Israel will have the full weight of America' national missile defense system to defend herself.

The United Nations Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Government of Iran itself have highlighted Iran' rapidly expanding ballistic missile program.

The U.N. Security Council, the IAEA and the Government of Iran all tell us that Iran is building ballistic missiles capable of hitting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, said Kirk, who also serves as Navy Reserve Intelligence Officer. Israel will be the first and only country to fully integrate with the American missile defense architecture. It is a symbol of our shared values and a safer 21st century.

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December 13, 2007

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http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/105895.html

Bill includes U.S.-Israel missile coordination

Published: 12/14/2007

Congress is set to approve a plan to integrate the U.S. and Israeli missile defense systems.

The proposal, authored by U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), is part of the Defense Authorization Act passed late Wednesday by the U.S. House of Representatives and due to be considered by the Senate before Christmas break. Under the proposal, the secretary of defense must within six months present a plan to Congress a plan "to improve the coordination, interoperability, and integration of the U.S. National Ballistic Missile Defense System with Israel’s missile defense architecture," a statement from Kirk's office said.

Such a plan will help defend Israel against reported plans by Iran to build missiles that can reach Israel, Kirk said. "Israel will be the first and only country to fully integrate with the American missile defense architecture," the statement said. "It is a symbol of our shared values and a safer 21st century."

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http://www.nysun.com/article/66464

Bush Urged To Place Rules On $20B Saudi Arms Sale

By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 15, 2007

WASHINGTON — Pressure is mounting from both Republicans and Democrats in Congress for President Bush to guarantee that a proposed $20 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia will not arm Riyadh with weapons it could turn on American soldiers or Israel.

Rep. Mark Kirk, a Republican of Illinois, and Rep. Christopher Carney, a Democrat of Pennsylvania, are circulating a letter calling on the White House to "guarantee to Congress' satisfaction that selling JDAMs to Saudi Arabia will not harm U.S. forces or our democratic ally Israel."

Joint Direct Attack Munitions are the global positioning systems and steering technology an air force can place on unguided bombs to improve their accuracy.

The letter from Congress, set to be sent to Mr. Bush on Friday, comes during a week in which the State Department formally notified Congress of the weapons sale to Saudi Arabia. Some House members, led by Rep. Anthony Weiner, a Democrat of New York, have already announced that they will oppose the $20 billion sale.

The lawmakers who signed on to the letter from Messrs. Carney and Kirk do not go that far. They do say, however, that if they are not assured the weapons cannot be turned on America or Israel, "we will oppose the sale."

The opposition from Congress has the potential to scuttle a key component of Mr. Bush's new strategy to counter a rising Iran. The arms sale, along with the upcoming Arab-Israeli peace conference scheduled for later this month in Annapolis, Md., is meant to create and an American-Sunni Arab alliance against Iran, whose regime Mr. Bush has accused of killing American soldiers in Iraq, destabilizing Lebanon, and building a nuclear bomb.

Mr. Kirk said yesterday that he was concerned that Mr. Bush could be making the same mistake with Saudi Arabia that President Carter made when he sold F–14 Tomcat Fighter Jets to the shah of Iran in 1977 and 1978. After the Islamic Revolution in 1979, those fighters were aimed at the U.S. Navy.

"Over the long haul, unless you see a stable democracy, you have got to contemplate the prospect of a government changing. You want to make sure any advanced weapons you provide cannot represent a danger to Americans in uniform," he said.

Mr. Kirk declined to detail the technical guarantees that he and his colleagues are asking of the Bush administration. Other sources close to Congress, however, said changes could be made to the JDAM guidance system and global positioning system that would make it impossible to turn the munitions toward Israel.

A former executive director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Morris Amitay, said, "In the past, the administration has tried to ease Israeli concerns by modifications to the equipment sold so as not to pose a new threat to Israel."

Such a modification was made in the 1970s, when America sold Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Jordan that were set in concrete, rendering the missile system immobile so that it could not be moved to the Jordan River Valley.

Aipac did not endorse a letter from Mr. Weiner in August opposing the Saudi arms sale, but it offered support yesterday for the letter from Reps. Carney and Kirk. The group "supports the Kirk-Carney letter and efforts by Congress to seek assurances from the administration that ironclad measures will be included in the final arms package to ensure the safety of American troops and our allies in the region," a press secretary for Aipac, Jennifer Cannata, said.

hmmm... shouldn't it be our "ally" and not "allies" in the region?? After all its all about Israel.. Israel.. Israel..

Israeli leaders have expressed support for the arms package, which is part of a larger deal whereby Israel is promised $30 billion in American defense assistance over the next 10 years. Last month, Israel and America signed a new memorandum of understanding reaffirming that Washington was committed to Jerusalem's qualitative military advantage over the Arab states.

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The article poses the question whether it will make a difference if the next president is Democrat or Republican?

That distinction became irrelevant a long time ago ..

The question now is whether it makes a difference that the next president holds a double US/Israeli citizenship or just a plain Israeli citizenship?

The vote to include Israel in the U.S. ballistic missile warning system was actually passed on 17 May 2007. Over 400 members of the U.S. House voted to share all U.S. missile technology with the Israelis. Only thirty members (less than 10 percent) voted against it.

Jewish media sources brought this issue up again because Zionists are dismayed over the NIE report issued on 4 December that Iran has no nuclear weapons program. Since the report came out, an Israeli delegation has been making the rounds in Washington, issuing threats to Congress people, and saying that U.S. intelligence agencies are completely wrong. (Even though the U.S. agencies have a budget of $40 billion per year.)

The missile plan will extend the USA ballistic missile defense system (NORAD) to Israel. Not even England enjoys this privilege. The measure will probably pass the Senate quickly now, since the U.S. Congress is desperate to apologize to Israel for the NIE report.

The biggest champion of this plan is Congressman Mark Kirk, (R-Ill) who is fanatically pro-Israel and pro-war. Kirk's Congressional district is in the suburbs of northern Chicago, which is heavily Jewish, and which funnels money to Kirk through NORPAC -- a branch of AIPAC that supports pro-Zionist politicians from the north central USA.

When the missile vote passed the U.S. House on 17 May 2007, Kirk said, "Ahmadinejad calls for Israel to be wiped off the map color = red> and talks of the Jewish people's annihilation. color = red> Today America sends a message to the Iranian dictator color = red> that Israel will have the full weight of America's national missile defense system to defend herself."

Kirk championed the vote by asking other people in Congress, "If you could vote for a second genocidecolor = red> of the people of Israel, would you vote for it?"

In addition to Kirk's missile defense integration plan, an amendment offered by U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) authorized $205 million for Israeli military projects, including the Arrow missile program, the "David's Sling" short-range ballistic missile defense system, and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) fire unit, a follow-on to the current Israeli Arrow program.

Congressman Mark Kirk wants to blockade Iran the same way Israel has blockaded Gaza. He points out that despite Iran's status as a leading OPEC nation, Iran lacks the refining capacity to turn its oil into gasoline. Therefore Iran depends on foreign imports for 40% its gasoline, which is mostly delivered by one Dutch company, Vitol, aboard tankers mostly insured by Lloyds of London. Kirk wants to punish the Dutch company Vitol in order to starve Iran of gasoline. He says Iran's navy could not resist a U.S. blockade. (The Chinese are currently building refineries in Iran to offset the gasoline import problem.)

To some extent, U.S. / Israeli sanctions are working. The prices of basic foods in Iran, such as beef, poultry, fruits and bread have increased by 25 percent. Housing costs have risen 30 percent in recent months. These factors make the Iranian public angry with the Iranian government. Average Iranians don't care that the USA and Israel cause all the problems. They just want cheaper goods. Average people in Cuba feel the same way.

When any nation resists slavery in any way, it is blockaded. This causes the nation's masses to demand that they be enslaved again. The masses prefer slavery to high prices caused by the blockade.

Here’s a related story…

ZIONISTS CONDEMN CONGRESSMAN AS 'ANTI-SEMITIC"

Zionists have condemned Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) as being “anti-Semitic” color = red> because Moran described AIPAC as "extraordinarily powerful," and suggested that AIPAC played a significant role in promoting the war in Iraq in a recent interview.

Ronald Halber, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington said of Moran, "He uses several age-old canards that have been used throughout history that have brought violence upon Jews. He uses clearly anti-Semitic images such as Jewish control of the media and wealthy Jews using their wealth to control policy."

Moran told the Washington Post, “ I would like to have a reasonable discussion about AIPAC's foreign policy agenda, but any time you question their motives, you are accused of being anti-Semitic."

Representative Moran made his “anti-Semitic” remarks in an interview with Tikkun, a California-based Jewish magazine.

TIKKUN: Why did Democrats vote against the amendment that would have required Bush to get authorization from Congress before attacking Iran?

MORAN: Because AIPAC opposed the amendment. Rep. Murtha, Rep. Obey, and myself wanted it in the supplemental. We had it in, and then the Democratic leadership took it out because AIPAC demanded it. Yesterday, AIPAC had a different amendment to recommit the entire Armed Services Bill in order to add language that required America to develop missile defenses jointly with Israel, to share all its missile defense technology with Israel. color = red> Many people phrased the vote as an "AIPAC vote,” because it prevailed 394-30. I was one of only thirty Congressmen who voted against it. I didn’t like the incendiary language that Israel is under immediate attack, and we need to protect Israel from another Holocaust. I also didn’t like the idea that the solution to Israel's security is a militaristic one. Both America and Israel have acted in counterproductive fashion, and have undermined their security by focusing exclusively on military capability.

AIPAC is powerful because it’s very well organized, and its members are generous with their personal wealth. Its means of communications, its ties to certain newspapers and magazines, and its representatives in the media are substantial and intimidating. Everyone in Congress knows that AIPAC is by far the most powerful lobbying force in the USA.

Most Jewish Americans are opposed to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but AIPAC rules. Its members are so wealthy, that AIPAC controls all. AIPAC insists that security can only be attained through force, intimidation, occupation, and murder – and the U.S. Congress agrees. It agrees that Iran must be attacked because of Iran's potential threat to Israel. No one suggests that Iran is a potential threat to the United States, any more than Iraq could ever have been a threat to the United States. Yet AIPAC wants the USA to destroy Iran.

The sad thing is that for most of America's existence, Iran was our ally. Iran was a strong democracy until Mohammed Mossadegh wanted to nationalize the oil revenue after American and British interests stole most of the profit. So the British and the Americans had Mossadegh executed, and then imposed the Shah, who was so brutal that the Iranians got rid of the Shah in 1979.

We could easily turn the whole thing around by working with Iran. Obviously, we need to protect Israel, color = red> but the more we brandish swords and threaten Iran, the more of a threat Iran becomes to Israel.

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Notice how Moran grovels and says the USA must protect Israel -- yet Zionists call him “anti-Semitic” anyway, because Moran says AIPAC controls the USA.

When will mankind learn that groveling before Zionists only makes matters worse?

... your comment above is so well written I posted it as a full article here:

Anti-Neocons Forum

I hope you don't mind.
Cheers,
-MZ

MonkeyZerg

Thank you Abdul Alhazred for your most interesting reply. I totally agree with you that groveling doesn't work with zionists.. but the great majority of 'politically conscious' people and unfortunately leaders don't seem to mind compromising their national dignity and wealth to a foreign blackmailing mafia. Taking a stand is so much harder than tagging along the herd.. and those who take a stand become immediate targets for elimination while the silent world watches. It is all so truly nauseating. On a positive note however, I absolutely believe that Israel has started its "shut-down".. and whatever AIPAC does or says, nothing will save Israel from its eventual final decline and fade away into History. Numbers and figures are not on Israel's side despite the 'immigration' figures publishes in Israeli papers from time to time. The question I often ask myself however is how many countries will Israel take down with it? How many people will die in the process of Israel's impending death? Will Israel have been worth its cost for the US?
Thanks again for your very interesting reply.

Cherifa Sirry

Groveling to the zionists...such a huge, fat, jagged pill for people with some integrity, who know a little truth, have to swallow.

Must be awful going down.

When will people realize that dignity is key?

As for "israel" fading away...I have a hunch it will go out a lot more violently than just to fade. And yes...more brave, and courageous people will perish in the whirl of madness, I'm sure.

Some people hope "israel" will be dismantled without the violence - that it will be done peacefully. I wish it were true, but I heavily doubt it.

The undoing of "israel" will be done by its own wretched hand. Yes.

Rhiannon

”On a positive note, I believe that Israel has started its "shut-down".. and whatever AIPAC does or says, nothing will save Israel from its decline and its fade into History. The question is how many countries will Israel take down with it? How many people will die in the process of Israel's impending death? Will Israel have been worth its cost for the US?”

Unfortunately there is no chance that Americans will ever wake up. They are too brainwashed. They will save Jews and Israel before they save themselves. Israel will take down the USA, Canada, England, and possibly France.

However Russia and China will be okay.

Future historians will agree that the USA was destroyed by two things:

1. Greed and arrogance
2. Slavish devotion to Israel, and to all things Jewish

Rhiannon… I may have not expressed myself properly thinking that people could read my mind:) By saying that Israel would “fade away”, I certainly wasn’t thinking of a “peaceful” or “civilized” way of “dismantling” Israel. For all I care, Israel should be erased by any means from the map of the world! This is an EVIL racist, apartheid, worse-than-Nazi-regime that needs to go in the way any illegal entity or criminal is put away. Israel will never be dismantled peacefully… Israel will disappear because it can no longer sustain itself as a dominating hostile occupying official Jewish entity and power.

Israel will never “fade away” peacefully.

Abdul Alhazred… I agree with you about the countries that Israel will take down ESPECIALLY and primarily the United States. As for the American people, the great majority of them will not change though there finally are some small changes… but they are too small to have any actual effect in US political life. My opinion about Israel’s collapse has nothing to do with the American people. It has to do with the Israelis themselves. Let me try to jot down some points:

1. Immigration to Israel is lower than ever despite what Zionist media and Israeli newspapers write. Who in their right mind would want to live in Israel especially if they are happily settled in their own country somewhere in the world. Jewish immigration is lower than ever while non Jewish or converted Jewish immigration has increased.. the Israeli Jews don’t like converts and don’t allow them in the army or in any sensitive positions. All this is not suitable for the “ Jewish state”.

2. Emigration from Israel is higher than ever. Three years ago there were 750,000.00 Israelis (not American Israelis) living in the US. This number has undoubtedly increased especially in the light of Israel’s new found affinity for bunker life thanks to my hero Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah in the summer of 2006. I am sure that spending 1 month in bunkers with no air conditioning in August is something many Israelis don’t ever want to experience again. Young Israelis who are planning a family do not want to be caught in the kind of life Israel offers. They also definitely don’t want to be drafted and embroiled in a conflict that they do not view with the same importance as the first Zionist generation. Young Israelis want a good life with no trouble. They are simply slowly but surely leaving Israel and are being replaced by Russians, Africans… a weird mix non-Jewish-Zionist mix which is no backbone for the Zionist state.

3. Israel will never be able to establish the “Jewish state” and that little (LOL) “island of democracy” as well all the rest of the propaganda garbage that Israel tries to ascribe to its image. The only way for Israel to achieve “Jewishness” is by building its apartheid wall to keep Muslim and Christian Arabs out of the borders what Israel is choosing for itself (because even by Western standards, they are illegal borders on the 67 occupied territories). By building its apartheid streets and schools, by spitting on the Christians in their holy sites and by humiliating the Muslims... Israel is well on its way to being the next South Africa and Israel has already started feeling the backlash of her dirty little secrets that have now been exposed. We all know what happened to South Africa.

4. The Draft: many Israelis refuse the draft now. Refusnik movements are on the rise. Ehud Olmert’s own son is a member of the Refusnik movement and totally refuses to be drafted. Young Israelis of today are pretty spoiled. They are nothing like the Sharon, Begin, Dyan, Meir or Shamir heavy weight generation. These old generations were vicious Zionists whose entire lives were focused on establishing the state of Israel at whatever cost. For God sake, they were members of Jewish terror gangs that fought the British with their own hands and eventually drove them out of Palestine. Mr. Begin who was given a Nobel prize for “peace” was listed as a “wanted terrorist” by the British for several acts of terror that he committed in Palestine. This mean old Zionist generation whose only purpose in life was to establish Israel at any cost, is forever gone. Today’s young Zionist Israelis are sissies. There is no way that they can be compared to that old generation. They don’t have one iota of their drive or ambition. Today’s young Israelis want a good life. They don’t want to be drafted all the time and to be sent to Gaza, South Lebanon or the West Bank!! You must have seen the performance of the IDF during the Lebanon war last summer. Israeli soldiers were complaining when their meals didn’t come on time! The famous Golani brigades came back crying after a few days. Until today the parents of the soldiers who were sent to Lebanon are not letting the Israeli government off the hook for having ‘needlessly endangered’ their spoiled kids when these are supposed to be soldiers. The IDF is full of problems.. I am just barely scratching the surface.

If I combine all these factors… and there are many more…, it looks to me like Israel is in real bad shape despite its propaganda and despite its power to drop 3 million cluster bombs on a country in one week. The very foundations of Israel are disintegrating. Despite the ranting of Zionist media, Israeli Jewishness is decreasing… while “Arabness” is increasing. Jews are simply leaving. Dedication to the identity of a Zionist Jewish entity is fading away with time.., while Arab dedication and identification to Palestine and all occupied territories increases with every second. The human factor of the Israeli army is very weak and an army cannot sustain a country with machines only… especially a country like Israel which so heavily depends on its army. To me Israel currently looks more and more like a “failed project” and once a project start drawing losses (such as taking the US down), there shall be reconsiderations in any future investments in it. History moves slowly however.. but on rare occasions when heroes like Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah appear, it tends to move a little faster. Israel as a “Jewish state” has already failed because it is unable to achieve its Jewish majority except artificially. Israel as an occupying entity and “state” in my view in disintegrating and the rate of its disintegration will increase with the US’s disintegration. I believe that “peace” is the Zionist entity’s prime enemy because it disarms it from its real ambitions and objectives of existence. In any case, Israel is not moving towards any “peaceful” agreements. However, it has also been demonstrated that Israel and its prime care-taker the US are unable to stretch out further then they already are. Israel didn’t leave Gaza because it wanted to give Palestinians sovereignty. Israel with its rightist movement is heading for a new clash with the Palestinian and maybe other Arabs on Jerusalem. Can Israel handle three fronts in Gaza, Jerusalem and Lebanon? Even though Israel has a very mighty army, I don’t think that its forecast is good.. and that of course pleases me not end:) After all, look at the US in Iraq and Afghanistan… and we’re still waiting for Iran, Jerusalem, Lebanon and maybe Syria.

Cherifa Sirry

well not only have I done away with the capital I in this thing called "israel", now I use the quotation marks.

cherifa - "Ehud Olmert’s own son is a member of the Refusnik movement and totally refuses to be drafted. Young Israelis of today are pretty spoiled. They are nothing like the Sharon, Begin, Dyan, Meir or Shamir heavy weight generation. These old generations were vicious Zionists whose entire lives were focused on establishing the state of Israel at whatever cost.

It is a huge facade of a "mighty army" called the I"d"F ...what this "israel" is governed by. This is their "democracy" - lo and behold the chosen punks of darkness.

So anyway...what I was trying to say before I got too dramatic, is this "mighty" army is nothing without what other countries send to them. HistoryWorm is right - Germany is nothing but a colony of "israel", as Germany still sends guilt money and weaponry, annually, to "isrel".

It is a good thing that the brats are not as brazenly vicious as their founders. But still they are vicious in all of their cowardly essence. I keep repeating myself, but their lack of conscience, their depraved sickness - whether cowardly or "mighty" - this will be their downfall, by their own gnarly claws.

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On another note Cherifa, about Lebanon: some relatives have just got back from Lebanon. I've yet to visit them, myself. But my folks say it is very dismal in Lebanon, the people are losing hope fast - there is a dark depression hovering over Lebanon's people. Too many different leaders and groups pulling this way and that way at each other.

Really scary.

Rhiannon

Cherifa, thank you for your thoughtful comments. You make good points about Israel’s growing weaknesses, but I think Israel will survive up to the point where the USA collapses. America will prop up Israel, even if it means the USA must destroy itself. Israel despises the USA, but the USA would sooner die than let Israelis suffer.

Imagine being married to someone who hates you and beats you as you lick his boots. That’s the relationship between Israel and the USA. Americans lick Jewish boots. The more Jewish boots stomp them, the more Americans lick. So, even if immigration is down and emigration is up, Americans will always protect their Jewish masters. The USA will support Israel no matter what.

You make a good point about borders. Israelis refuse to declare any borders. They say their borders are wherever their army is. How can Jews have a “Jewish state” if they have no declared borders? The “blue line” between Israel and Lebanon, for example, is a temporary arrangement. Israel does not formally recognize any border, and never will. Israel ignores the rules of legality and morality that apply to everyone else. Jews are the Master Race, and will continue to remain so until the USA disappears, at which point Jews will be dumped into a landfill and erased from memory.

I find it strange that you say, “Israel is well on its way to being the next South Africa.” Israel is FAR WORSE than South Africa. Jews and Afrikaaners shared power in South Africa. Did they seek to exterminate all blacks? Did they use tanks, snipers, fighter jets, and helicopter gunships to kill blacks every day? Did they build giant open-air prisons? Did they deny food, medicine, water, electricity and fuel? Israel is MUCH worse.

You say many Israelis refuse the draft. Yes I know. I also know that rich Israelis buy their way out of the draft, and that the lower levels of the Army are mostly staffed by Ethiopians, Mizrahi Jews, and so on. And yes, Israelis are spoiled (so are Americans) -- but I say that what Jews lack in dedication, the USA makes up for in obsession. Americans will die to protect Israel. Never before in history has a large nation been so totally brainwashed by a tiny nation.

You say young Israelis want a good life, and don’t want to be drafted all the time and be sent to Gaza, South Lebanon or the West Bank. True, but Israeli “settlers” remain fanatics. They commit atrocities all the time.

“You must have seen the performance of the IDF during the Lebanon war last summer. Israeli soldiers were complaining when their meals didn’t come on time! The famous Golani brigades came back crying after a few days.”

Yes, the whiny little Jewboys were even reduced to drinking water from “unclean” sources, like the houses of Shi’ities. They ransacked everything, stole whatever wasn't nailed down, and defecated everywhere inside houses. Jews are a filthy people. They always have been.

“Until today the parents of the soldiers who were sent to Lebanon are not letting the Israeli government off the hook for having ‘needlessly endangered’ their spoiled kids when these are supposed to be soldiers. The IDF is full of problems. I am just barely scratching the surface.”

True --but again the USA will prop up Israel no matter what. It is not a figure of speech to say that Jews own and control the USA.

“If I combine all these factors… and there are many more…it looks like Israel is in real bad shape, despite its propaganda, and despite its power to drop three million cluster bombs on a country in one week. The very foundations of Israel are disintegrating.”

Yes, but Israel will never disappear until the USA collapses.

“To me, Israel looks more and more like a ‘failed project,’ and once a project starts drawing losses (such as taking the US down), there will be reconsiderations in any future investments in it.”

I disagree. Jews are the masters of the USA. Israel is a total loss, yet Americans support it. American oil companies (other than Halliburton and so forth) let China and other nations get all the deals in Iran. These companies are shooting themselves in the head. If the U.S. government were given a flat-out choice to save Israel or save the USA, the government would save Israel. If you disagree with that, then you underestimate the degree of Jewish control. Jews own all the media, the banks, everything.

“In my view, Israel as an occupying entity and ‘state’ is disintegrating, and the rate of its disintegration will increase with the US’s disintegration.”

I agree.

“I believe that ‘peace’ is the Zionist entity’s prime enemy, because ‘peace’ disarms Zionists from their real ambitions and objectives of existence.”

Yes, the goal of Zionism is not Israel, but Ashkenazi supremacism. Israel is merely an excuse, a rallying point, a raison d'être for Jews. Israel cannot exist without a constant “threat.” That’s why Jews are in a panic about the NIE intelligence report. Israeli legitimacy requires an Iranian “threat.”

“Israel and its prime care-taker (the US) are already stretched to the maximum. Israel didn’t leave Gaza because it wanted to give Palestinians sovereignty.”

No, Israel left Gaza in the fall of 2005 in order to seal Palestinians in a giant concentration camp.

“Israel with its rightist movement is heading for a new clash with Palestinian and maybe other Arabs on Jerusalem. Can Israel handle three fronts in Gaza, Jerusalem and Lebanon?”

Yes Israel can handle three fronts, because the USA will draft people into the military if it’s necessary to protect Israel.

“Even though Israel has a very mighty army, I don’t think that its forecast is good.. and that of course pleases me no end.” :)

I don’t think the Israeli military is mighty; I think it’s extremely weak. Israeli troops are vicious little cowards who run away from all real enemies. Were it not for the USA, Israel would have been crushed in 1967. Israel would be crushed today without the USA.

“After all, look at the US in Iraq and Afghanistan… and we’re still waiting for Iran, Jerusalem, Lebanon and maybe Syria.”

Actually the U.S. projects in Iraq and Afghanistan are going well. The plan for Iraq was to break it into separate fiefdoms so private oil companies could move in. That plan is on track. “Iraq” will soon be no more. Afghanistan was invaded so a consortium led by Unocal Oil Company could have a pipeline from the Caspian Sea (Turkmenistan area) to Pakistan. That plan is also on track.

Fortunately for the people of the Middle East, the USA is a doomed empire.

we must never forget what "israel" did to the American troops in Lebanon in 1982 - they murdered about 252 American soldiers - marines I believe.

Naturally the blame was pinned on Iranians.

These marines were in the way of "israel's" plans to murder and torture Lebanese and Palestinians.

When you get in the way of "israel" you get killed.

I had a field day with an israeli about that subject. They scream "Where's the PROOF?"

Mangy little hysterical vermin.

Yes...I was actually going to say and forgot - that indeed- "israel" is by far worse than African Apartheid - much worse.

I said this about Africa and "israel" on Mirvat's blog. israeli lirun threatened to have me taken to court - he wanted to know where I lived [lol].

Mirvat banned him [hee!]. He must have sweet-talked her through email - cuz she let him back on the blog.

I wasn't even angry or sad about it. Highly amused! I LOVED smashing that little surfer turd.

Rhiannon

I find it strange that you say, “Israel is well on its way to being the next South Africa.” Israel is FAR WORSE than South Africa

Of course it’s much worse and obviously Israeli crimes have long surpassed South Africa!! How could you misunderstand me like this:((( What I meant was that Israel is well on its way to official public judgment and legal condemnation as South Africa was as an apartheid state. Despite all existing international laws, conventions, UN resolutions and the various ‘Human Rights’ associations, Israel has never stopped or even limited its crimes. Quite the contrary.. Israel has increased them and has gotten away with that with more money and recognition from governments. In the past few years however, Israel like South Africa in the early 80’s has started incurring the wrath of the people of the world and several very serious boycott and divestment movements and campaigns against Israel and the organizations supporting it, have started. These are very serious campaigns which are a kind of proclamation of a world public verdict on Israel. The South African divestment campaign is also one of the factors in the decline of the apartheid regime.

Regarding the US..
It is true that Americans will die to protect Israel and it is true that America will collapse in its quest to protect that “shitty little country”… and yes, Israelis can’t stand Americans. But I totally disagree with you that American money can in any way compensate for the crumbling of Israel’s ‘existential pillars’. All the money of the world cannot rebuild the ‘character’ (negative of course) and mind-set of the first Zionist settlers in Palestine. The perverted, obsessed and sick first ‘Israeli’ generation which basically was made of a gangs of terrorists (Stern, Irgun.. etc…) is gone and will never exist again. Lest you misunderstand me, I am not in any way implying that today’s Israelis are lambs, they are a bunch of racist, greedy killers on the loose. They are however stupid killers, killers who kill with a ‘less sophisticated’ plan than did their grandparents. I don’t think that Dyan or Sharon would have approved Olmert’s and Peretz’s military ‘strategies’. The best technology in the world doesn’t work with mediocre leaders and mediocre soldiers as has clearly been demonstrated in what I personally view as a crushing defeat for Israel (and the US) in Lebanon in Jul/Aug of 2006. Israel may have produced a ‘great military show’, but Israel suffered a crushing political and psychological defeat that it cannot just turn around, take some more money and recover from. Sure… Americans are willing to die for Israelis, but have a look at American soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan… or Somalia or Lebanon in recent history. American soldiers are the ones who need help. With all their mighty technology and money, they still cannot secure the green zone after 4 years of occupation in a country which doesn’t have an army. I personally don’t think that America is in the long run a ‘trusted’ ‘force’ or ‘ally’ for anyone to rely upon. Another example I would use to demonstrate the US’s increasing weakness and hence lack of reliability as an ally is its position in Lebanon. Since the assassination of Rafiq Hariri, the US has still not been able to have its way via its puppet government and it has even had to step back and accept certain compromises with the opposition it wanted to eradicate. I don’t see the United States of America any longer as capable of helping Israel. It will indeed continue paying with money and blood, but it shall not be able to help achieve the Zionist dream. Even if it provided tremendous short-term help, it shall never be long term help which is what the success of ‘project Israel’ requires. The US is much too wrapped up in its own failure all over the Middle East that it cannot possibly actually help anyone else… including Israel.

Yes, but Israel will never disappear until the USA collapses.

And the US is collapsing.. only History moves slowly. Of course increased strategic US mistakes at the hands of their masters in AIPAC will lead to quicker collapse of the US and consequently of Israel.. Still, History is slow.

Jews are the masters of the USA. Israel is a total loss are the masters of the USA. Israel is a total loss

Yes Jews control the US, and yes Israel is a loss for the country called the United States of America. But the members of the US administration and the various lobbies and ‘powers’ that govern the US are sure making a lot of money from Israeli arms trading (ie selling US arms to countries & groups the US can’t directly sell to) and from the various conflicts in the Middle East that Israel has directly or indirectly ignited. I might also ad Africa now. I am sure that I don’t need to tell you how profitable the business of war can be as for example the Iraq war is for certain parties. Israel may be a total loss for the American tax-paying citizen, but who cares about this citizen in the US?! For God sake, necessary kiddy insurance bills for a few millions don’t pass while billions and billions for an illegal war that the US citizen and the US military don’t want any longer are approved by Congress! Israel isn’t a total loss for Halliburton, Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, General Electrics or Coca Cola!

Yes Israel can handle three fronts, because the USA will draft people into the military if it’s necessary to protect Israel.

I disagree with you totally on this. If it were not an unkind thing to say and to wish for, I would tell you that I would love to see Israel active on those 3 fronts. It would be another major nail in the Israeli coffin and would kill the sissie Israeli society.. and rid the Middle East a little earlier of this pest of a 'state'. The reason there was a total blockade of media in Isreal during the 2006 war was to hide the catastrophes Israelis endured. Israel doesn't want the world to know as that would shake confidence in the 'strong' 'ally'.

Americans drafted to go to Palestine as forces?? Hehe… that would be fun to watch:) This would of course be kamikaze suicide on the US’s part if it still has any aspirations whatsoever in the Middle East.. and as we agree, the collapse of the US will lead to the collapse of Israel. Americans are already having a very hard time with their ‘popularity’ in the Arab world. A step like this would only render them more unpopular than they already are and less welcome then they already are. I don’t know if you have been to the Middle East lately.., but have you seen the security around US official and even unofficial buildings??? Have you seen that US school buses have parked their usual yellow buses away to use buses that look like common local buses in order to hide their American identity out of fear that something should happen to them? Have you seen that streets on which American apartment flats are located can be closed off to the local people of the country causing them incredible traffic jams and inconveniences? Have you seen that offices which had the misfortune of being located near the American embassy could hardly run their business after 9/11 because of parking restrictions and/or visitation restrictions imposed on their clients and staff because of proximity to the US embassy? I VERY VERY strongly doubt that Americans would dare put their foot in occupied Palestine and if they do, it would be another mistake in a series of fatal mistakes that are leading to the decline of the short-lived American empire.
Other than that, Americans don’t want to be drafted in order to fight wars that they don’t believe in. The US army is having a very hard time finding soldiers for Iraq and more than half its forces are non-American mercenaries. Of course it is possible that the coming armies will mainly be made of mercenaries.

Were it not for the USA, Israel would have been crushed in 1967

I am an Egyptian, so the 67 war is of particular interest to me. I don’t like this simple absolving of Egypt’s leadership from any blame as is usually done in the Arab world… because this leadership made big mistakes for which Egypt and other Arab countries paid dearly… and are still paying today. Arab rhetoric is very nice.. but when it remains at the level of rhetoric.. then thank you very much, we don’t need it.

Actually the U.S. projects in Iraq and Afghanistan are going well. The plan for Iraq was to break it into separate fiefdoms so private oil companies could move in. That plan is on track. “Iraq” will soon be no more

Actually it’s a Zionist Jewish Israeli project which the Israel lobby shoved down the throats or rather the pockets of the US Congress and decision makers etc… “Iraq” will indeed soon be no more… just as Israel wanted… and the Jews are celebrating Hanukkah every year in Saddam’s palaces while Americans can no longer say ‘Merry Christmas’, but rather ‘Seasons Greetings’. They also in a few states no longer have Christmas trees, but ‘Community trees”. The 2 % American Jews are however celebrating their Hanukah merrily all over US occupied territory. How pathetic for America..

Afghanistan was invaded so a consortium led by Unocal Oil Company could have a pipeline from the Caspian Sea (Turkmenistan area) to Pakistan. That plan is also on track.

I thought that this plan was not yet completely on track. Is that a sure piece of info?

Cherifa Sirry

Thanks for your comments.

I misunderstood your comparison of Israel and South Africa.

I agree that Israel's 2006 loss in Lebanon was a “crushing defeat.” I also agree that Israel’s “existential pillars” are crumbling. However, I maintain that the USA will prop up Israel no matter how much Israel crumbles.

Yes, I agree that the U.S. military is also weak and demoralized, but the USA has 300 million people, which means there are plenty of bodies to throw into a meat grinder to protect Israel.

“American soldiers are the ones who need help. With all their mighty technology and money, they still cannot secure the green zone after 4 years of occupation in a country that doesn’t have an army. I personally don’t think that America is in the long run a ‘trusted’ ‘force’ or ‘ally’ for anyone to rely upon.”

I agree with you in all cases except Israel. I believe the U.S. government would send troops anywhere to protect Israel. I don’t think U.S. troops would prevail, but they could provide a wall of bodies to surround the Zionist entity with a “human shield.”

“Another example I would use to demonstrate the US’s increasing weakness and hence lack of reliability as an ally is its position in Lebanon. Since the assassination of Rafiq Hariri, the US has still not been able to have its way via its puppet government and it has even had to step back and accept certain compromises with the opposition it wanted to eradicate.”

True, but the USA and Israel have nonetheless been able to keep Lebanon unstable. Rhiannon tells us that everyone in Lebanon is anxious and frightened. So, in a sense, the USA is “succeeding.”

“I don’t see the United States of America any longer as capable of helping Israel. It will indeed continue paying with money and blood, but it shall not be able to help achieve the Zionist dream. Even if it provided tremendous short-term help, it shall never be long term help, which is what the success of ‘project Israel’ requires. The US is much too wrapped up in its own failure all over the Middle East that it cannot possibly actually help anyone else… including Israel.”

What about the oil pipeline to Haifa, which the USA will secure for Israel? I agree that the USA cannot provide long-term help to Israel, but I also maintain that as long as the USA exists, Israel will also exist. When it comes to Jews, Americans are the most brainwashed people in history. You can’t even discuss Zionism with fellow family members. The brainwashing starts in grade school, where every American child is bombarded with lies about the “holocaust,” and continuous through the next 12 years of education. The indoctrination is mandatory in American public schools. It’s so deep and so pervasive that Americans will fight to protect Jews (who despise Americans).

“Yes Jews control the US, and yes Israel is a loss for the country called the United States of America. But the members of the US administration and the various lobbies and ‘powers’ that govern the US are sure making a lot of money from Israeli arms trading (i.e. selling US arms to countries & groups the US can’t directly sell to) and from the various conflicts in the Middle East that Israel has directly or indirectly ignited. I might also ad Africa now. I am sure that I don’t need to tell you how profitable the business of war can be as for example the Iraq war is for certain parties. Israel may be a total loss for the American tax-paying citizen, but who cares about this citizen in the US?”

Yes, war is very profitable, but only in the short-term. In the long run I think it’s suicidal to give unconditional support to the Zionist entity.

Israel isn’t a total loss for Halliburton, Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, General Electric or Coca-Cola. color = red>

I put that in big bold red letters because I agree with you 110%. Yes, I have said all along that even if Israel disappeared, there would still be war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Every time the U.S. Congress authorizes another $100 billion to keep the war going, that’s $100 billion that Congress people get to divide up and take home to their districts. So…yes, rich people have a motive to support Israel, but again—only because this produces quick profits. In the long run, this will destroy the USA, including the rich people in it. Each $100 billion is another $100 billion in debt. This is why I say that in the long run, support for Israel is suicidal, even though rich people are making profiting from it right now.

“I would love to see Israel try to be active on three fronts. It would be another major nail in the Israeli coffin, and would kill the sissie Israeli society, and rid the Middle East a little earlier of this pest of a 'state'.”

Yes, but again, if Israel were truly threatened, the USA would defend Israel with the full force of the U.S. military. The USA would lose, of course, since the Israelis (who are military morons) would insist on commanding U.S. forces.

“The reason there was a total blockade of media in Israel during the 2006 war was to hide the catastrophes Israelis endured. Israel doesn't want the world to know as that would shake confidence in the 'strong' 'ally'.”

Yes. Censorship also prevented average Americans from seeing the blood in Lebanon.

”Americans drafted to go to Palestine as forces?? Hehe… that would be fun to watch:) This would of course be kamikaze suicide on the US’s part if it still has any aspirations whatsoever in the Middle East.. and as we agree, the collapse of the US will lead to the collapse of Israel.”

True, but the USA is stocking Israel for the next war of aggression. (See this post.)

“Americans are already having a very hard time with their ‘popularity’ in the Arab world. A step like this would only render them more unpopular and unwelcome than they already are. I don’t know if you have been to the Middle East lately, but have you seen the security around US buildings, both official and unofficial? Have you seen that US school buses are no longer bright yellow, but instead look like common local buses, in order to hide their American identity out of fear that something should happen to them? Have you seen that streets on which American apartment flats are located can be closed off to the local people of the country, causing them incredible traffic jams and inconveniences? Have you seen that offices which had the misfortune of being located near the American embassy could hardly run their business after 9/11, because of parking restrictions and/or visitation restrictions imposed on their clients and staff because of proximity to the US embassy? I VERY, VERY strongly doubt that Americans would dare put their foot in occupied Palestine, and if they do, it would be another mistake in a series of fatal mistakes that are leading to the decline of the short-lived American empire.
Other than that, Americans don’t want to be drafted in order to fight wars that they don’t believe in. The US army is having a very hard time finding soldiers for Iraq and more than half its forces are non-American mercenaries. Of course it is possible that the coming armies will mainly be made of mercenaries.”

I didn’t know there was so much security around American personnel. Interesting. However I do think Americans would indeed go to Palestine if necessary to protect the Zionist entity. A U.S. military draft can be easily arranged through a false flag attack. It would be a catastrophic mistake, but average Americans don’t care. Average Americans will give their lives to defend Israel. Whatever it takes.

“You wrote, ‘Were it not for the USA, Israel would have been crushed in 1967.’
I am an Egyptian, so the 67 War is of particular interest to me. I don’t like this simple absolving of Egypt’s leadership from any blame as is usually done in the Arab world… because this leadership made big mistakes for which Egypt and other Arab countries paid dearly… and are still paying today. Arab rhetoric is very nice.. but when it remains at the level of rhetoric.. then thank you very much, we don’t need it.”

My point was that if the USA willed it, Israel would have stopped immediately in 1967, regardless of the collaboration of Egypt’s government. When Nasser took back the Suez Canal in 1956, Israel and its British slaves cooked up a scheme to take the canal back and install a Zio-friendly regime in Egypt. However U.S. President Eisenhower put a stop to the whole mess, and the Canal went to Egypt. Eisenhower was a Jew, but he feared Soviet involvement. The USA could have done the same thing in 1967. The USA can make Israel do anything, but the USA is owned and controlled.

“The Iraq invasion was a Zionist- Jewish -Israeli project the Israel lobby shoved down the throats (or rather the pockets) of the US Congress and decision makers etc… “Iraq” will indeed soon be no more… just as Israel wanted… and the Jews are celebrating Hanukkah every year in Saddam’s palaces while Americans can no longer say ‘Merry Christmas’, but rather ‘Seasons Greetings’. They also in a few states no longer have Christmas trees, but ‘Community trees”. The 2 % American Jews are however celebrating their Hanukah merrily all over US occupied territory. How pathetic for America.”

Pathetic indeed, but the USA is owned totally. Anyone who doubts this is living in a dream world.

” You say Afghanistan was invaded so a consortium led by Unocal Oil Company could have a pipeline from the Caspian Sea (Turkmenistan area) to Pakistan. That plan is also on track. I thought that this plan was not yet completely on track. Is that a sure piece of info?”

I am considering writing a post on this matter. Unocal supported the Taliban, and only turned against the Taliban when the Taliban did not prevail against the Northern Alliance. Has the pipeline been built? I don’t know. I’m checking into that. Information on pipelines is not easy to dig up. Of course, the USA also invaded Afghanistan in order to ring in Iran, and to profit from the opium trade, but the real prize has been the pipeline to Pakistan. I’m trying to find out if it’s been built.

Thanks again for your comments.

First of all Rhiannon, sorry for my delayed reply. Most of my free time is spent intensively following the very sad, frustrating yet fascinating situation in Lebanon. Yes there is “a dark depression hovering over the people” but all the different leaders and groups pulling are all agents of the US Zionist puppet government. The Lebanese opposition has frankly been ADMIRABLE. I don’t know of another opposition that would have taken so much crap without reacting aggressively as the US Zionist forces would love to see.

Abdul Alhazred, thanks for your comments and for your post on the US stocking up Israel for the next battle. I found the pictures most interesting.

True, but the USA and Israel have nonetheless been able to keep Lebanon unstable. Rhiannon tells us that everyone in Lebanon is anxious and frightened. So, in a sense, the USA is “succeeding.”

The US’s objective was not to keep Lebanon unstable. The US’s objective was to 100% eradicate the Lebanese resistance Hezbollah (to which over a million and a half people belong), to eradicate their weapons or confiscate them. Another US ambition was to instigate another civil war in Lebanon a la 1975 and create sectarian conflict since that would considerably weaken the country and facilitate its infiltration and any attack on it. Another US ambition was to make of Lebanon a 100% US client state.. in other words to get Lebanon to go down on its knees so that Israel could feel safe and steel more Lebanese land and water without any trouble from patriotic Lebanese who didn’t much like to see their country or people occupied, plundered, destroyed and viciously abused so that Israel could achieve its murderous Zionist ambitions ‘peacefully’. Another goal of the US’s was to ensure that the 800,000.00 or so Palestinians refugees who currently live in hardship refugee camps in Lebanon because Israel drove them out, remain in Lebanon by having the Right of Return dropped from the Arab/Israeli pillars of ‘negotiations’… thus ensuring Israel’s subsistence as a ‘Jewish state’.

What has happened in Lebanon? I like to go back to the Rafiq Hariri assassination as a starting point as that is when the Zionist/US plan started to unfold. It is my belief that Hariri war killed by cia/mossad forces as the first important trigger-event to the plans laid by the US/Israel for Lebanon. Remember, Hariri was rebuilding Lebanon, making it an interesting center again and was opposed to US bases in the country… unlike his stupid mentally retarded son. Hariri senior also was not opposed to the Lebanese resistance.

1. Hariri was killed and the Lebanese government of the time (that was not a US puppet government) was pressured by a clearly well financed and pre-arranged ‘cedars’ demonstration to resign in order to accept responsibility for such a mess. The government did resign and a US puppet government was installed including the notorious Samir geagea, a political assassin who was literally in jail serving 5 life sentences for assassinations of political figures (among which there was a Lebanese prime minister…). Geagea, a convicted assassin for several murders was miraculously pardoned, taken out of jail and placed in the US puppet government. He also revived the Lebanese Forces, a Christian militia that has been banned after the Lebanese civil war for its criminal acts of terror in Lebanon. By the way, every time you hear that the US is sending arms to the Lebanese army, they are for the Lebanese Forces (not army) on which the US is depending in order to instigate civil war and force Hezbollah into using its arms internally inside Lebanon. Hezbollah totally refuses to do so despite all the provocations that are never reported in the West by the Lebanese Forces.

2. More than 15 political assassinations took place in Lebanon and who was always accused internationally one hour after the assassination??? Syria. Syria. Syria. There never was any proof that Syria was involved. There often were great reasons for Syria not to be involved, but all this was ignored. The Zionist agenda was to build a case against Syria for a very good and important reason for Israel and the US: they wanted the Syrian army out of Lebanon. It is know that Lebanon hardly has an army and this is one of the main reasons it developed a resistance force. The Syrian army had to get out of Lebanon for Lebanon to be easy prey again. Remember that it was Lebanon that asked Syria to send its army for help in order to oust the Israelis and help stop the civil war.

3. UN Security Council passed resolution 1559 and the Syrian army left Lebanon (success so far)

4. July 2006: Israel attacks Lebanon with full support and coordination of the US and the goal is to get rid of the resistance.

5. Israel and the US totally fail. Israel is shaken to the core because of the ramifications of this defeat and US foreign policy is given another slap in the face in the Middle East. (Failure + failure)

6. Israel and the US attempt to launch their campaigns on the Lebanese resistance internally in Lebanon via their puppet government.

7. A strong opposition movement and alliance between the Muslims and Christians in Lebanon is formed against the puppet government. The entire opposition (including all the Shiite representatives) resigns from the government, thus dissolving it according to Lebanese law and making it unconstitutional. US puppet agents however refuse to leave their offices and the US, Europe, UN and Arab puppets states all endorse the unconstitutional US agents in Lebanon. It is really quite shocking, but true! It’s been about a year and more now that the Lebanese ‘government has been unconstitutional and only derives legitimacy from the puppets of the US/Zionist empire. Shameful. The opposition in Lebanon never refers to ‘the government’ or ‘representative so and so’… They only refer to ‘the unconstitutional government’ and ‘the unconstitutional representative so and so’.. President Emile Lahoud declared this government officially dissolved and so did the head of the parliament Nabih Berri. But this news was ignored by the puppets of the empire. (US/Zionist failure). The current Lebanese ‘government’ according to the Lebanese constitution is illegal, but because of practical reasons for the empire, it has been endorsed by all US/Zionist puppets. One of the reasons the Lebanese economy is at a standstill is that this ‘government’ has no actual power or authority to do anything. It is just a ‘face’ that is kept up in the hope that the US/Zionist powers will be able to win the political conflict in Lebanon.

8. The US and Israel tried in many ways to instigate civil war in Lebanon by various assassinations and provocative media… but the opposition never let itself get drawn in and no civil war was instigated despite really incredible pressures from Israel and the US. (US/Israeli failure)

9. The US puppet government and all their supporting states tried via the Nahr el Bared ‘incident’ to start a clash between the Lebanese army and the Palestinian refugees, the Lebanese people (a really sensitive issue in Lebanon) and Hezbollah. That also totally failed as Hezbollah had anyway no intention to interfere internally with arms as is its policy. Furthermore, Hezbollah and the Lebanese army enjoy very good relations and coordination as they both fight the same enemy.. which is something stupid America can’t swallow.

A campaign against the Lebanese army was then launched by those who call themselves the ‘Lebanese government’. Of course this campaign is conducted under the table in the most malicious of ways… and ended up last week with the assassination of the second in command of the Lebanese army who was to take the place of the head of the army who is currently the main presidential candidate for Lebanon. Over the table, the unconstitutional ‘Lebanese government’ is of course full of praise for the Lebanese army which it is dying to dismantle. What have Israel and the US been trying to do to the Lebanese army? For years they refused to arm it so that it would never pose a threat to Israel. Then they have been trying desperately to change to doctrine of the Lebanese army which states that Lebanon’s main enemy is Israel. The Lebanese army has totally refused to changed its doctrine especially that a portion of Lebanese lands are still occupied by Israel! Young Lebanese soldiers Christian and Muslim grow up knowing that their enemy is Israel. For this reason alone and for refusing to change its doctrine, the Lebanese army has been targeted often by the US and Israel. In today’s world the Zionist entity wants everyone to revere it.. in the same manner Americans do. Americans… government and people have knelt down to the Zionist entity and the Zionists like that. This will however not happen in the Middle East. Middle Eastern governments may bend down, but the people haven’t and won’t. Conclusion: the Lebanese army doctrine has not been changed and Israel is still the prime enemy. The Lebanese army is also more aware that ever especially after this last assassination that it is targeted. (US/Zionist failure)

The Lebanese people, they are really suffering.. especially the ones in the south. Despite however all their suffering they have played a major role in not falling for all the traps laid by Israel and the US to trigger another civil war. Frankly, I am very impressed by the political awareness and consciousness that the Lebanese people have shown in front of such difficult adversaries and such difficult conditions of life. They have remained solid and unified while their miserable political ‘leadership’ was prostituting itself left and right. Most admirable! (US/Israeli failure). I have to say something about the Lebanese people because nobody else is saying it in the West… and I am not referring here to the rich spoiled Lebanese tiny ‘elite’ that keeps referring to itself as the ‘majority’ when in effect it is a tiny minority; I am referring here to the great majority of Lebanese. All of the aid money that the world sent to the Lebanese people that suffered the Israeli onslaught in July/Aug 2007 never went to the victims or the devastated south. The money so far remains in the pockets of the unconstitutional US/Zionist puppet government. In order to get the Lebanese opposition to bend down to US/Zionist demands, the unconstitutional government resorted to cutting the electricity of the South of Lebanon except for maybe for 2 hours a day. How exactly do businesses work when there is no electricity?? How do you keep groceries fresh with no electricity?? How do hospitals operate without electricity?? We are in Winter and it gets very cold in Lebanon. The Lebanese who have already suffered a savage Israeli attack and lost many of their home, now also don’t have heating, or often water which their ‘government’ also likes to deprive them from to twist their arms. It’s not that electricity or water are unavailable. They are available, but not for the supporters of the opposition in order to punish the opposition and force them into bending down to US and Israeli demands. This is US ‘democracy’ in the Middle East. I hear American officials speak now and I want to throw up in their face. Neither do they have a shred of self respect, integrity, morality, responsibility, or even intelligence. Yes, the Lebanese people are going through a very very difficult period of time… but the US and Israel have not had their way with Lebanon and unfortunately the world deliberately ignores this in order to please the American/Zionist master and not to credit the opposition and the courageous people who support it and who dared stand up to the powers of the empire. Lebanese politics are complicated with many different sects and political alliances that are not so clear-cut to follow even in the Arab world.

Ah yes… there is also the issue of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. Now this so far is a success story for Israel and its puppets. Lebanon is currently hosting about 800,000.00 Palestinian refugees and this is not easy for a small country. These refugees are supposed to go back to the 67 occupied territories according to all signed agreements and resolutions etc… which Israel of course is not implementing. Israel will never allow this because it has no intention of withdrawing from the 67 occupied territories despite its legal obligation to do so. If Palestinian refugees return to Palestine (occupied 67 territories) now unofficially considered and accepted by the US and its puppets as ‘Israel’, the Jewish majority would then again decrease. There are about 4 million Palestinian refugees awaiting their legal right of return. Hezbollah and the Christian Lebanese opposition support the Palestinian right of return so that it can lighten up the load on Lebanon and allow Lebanon to develop the areas currently occupied by the Palestinian refugee camps. The US/Israeli camp and puppet government however supports the cancellation of the right of return of the Palestinians so that Israel can maintain its ‘Jewishness’ and not fulfill its legal international obligations. Of course the Lebanese puppet government would never acknowledge this as don’t any Arab governments as their people would eat them alive; but this is however their unfortunate pathetically weak de facto position.

Cherifa Sirry

Thank you for your interesting comments. I wish to respond...

“What has happened in Lebanon? I like to go back to the Rafiq Hariri assassination (14 Feb 2005) as a starting point as that is when the Zionist/US plan started to unfold. I believe that CIA / Mossad forces killed Hariri as the first important trigger-event to the plans laid by the US / Israel for Lebanon. Remember, Hariri was rebuilding Lebanon, making it an interesting center again, and he was opposed to US bases in the country, unlike his mentally retarded son. Hariri senior also was not opposed to the Lebanese resistance.”

I agree 100%. Lebanon had no oil, but the economy was improving, at least for Sunnis, Christians, and Druze. Conditions for Shiites and Palestinians in Lebanon was an internal matter for Lebanese people to decide. Harari was not perfect (in October 2002 he took $4.4 billion in loans from the Zionist IMF) but he was clearly moving Lebanon toward greater independence. If nothing else, the tourist industry was booming before Israel attacked in 2006.

“After Rafiq Hariri was killed, the Lebanese government of the time (which was not yet a US puppet government) was pressured by a clearly well financed and pre-arranged ‘cedars’ demonstration to resign in order to accept responsibility for such a mess. The government did resign, and a US puppet government was installed in 2005, including the notorious Samir Geagea, a political assassin who was in jail serving 5 life sentences for assassinations of political figures (including Lebanese Prime Minister Rashid Karami). In July 2005, the new puppet Lebanese Parliament pardoned Samir Farid Geagea, who then revived the Lebanese Forces party, a Christian militia that was banned after the Lebanese civil war for its criminal acts of terror in Lebanon. Geagea is currently one of the leaders of so-called “March 14 Alliance,” alongside Saad Hariri, the Druze Walid Jumblatt and Amine Gemayel. By the way, every time you hear that the US is sending arms to the Lebanese army, those arms are not going the regular army; they go to Geagea’s Lebanese Forces, a kind of militia with allies in the parliament. The USA is depending on this militia to instigate civil war and force Hezbollah into using its arms inside Lebanon. Hezbollah totally refuses to do so, despite all provocations by the Lebanese Forces.” color = red>

I put that part in red because it’s news to me. I assumed that Israel was behind most of the provocations, such as the bomb that killed six UNIFIL members on 24 June 2007. Do you suggest the Lebanese Forces set that bomb? That would make sense. Israel, the USA, and the Lebanese Forces want to goad Hezbollah. And yes, the “Lebanese Forces” (aka Christian “Phalangists”) were as savage as the Israelis. Didn’t they carry out the Sabra and Shatilla massacres (Sep 1982)? I know they massacred countless people in the battle against the Palestinians and Walid Jumblat's PSP Druze militia for the Chouf Mountains in central Lebanon. I think they had connections with the Christian SLA militia (under Saad Haddad) that operated the notorious Al-Khiam torture prison for the Israelis beginning in 1985. When Hezbollah kicked the Israelis out of Lebanon in 2000, the Israelis allowed many SLA members to move to Jerusalem, where they still live today. Then, during the 2006 attack, Israeli aircraft destroyed the Al-Khiam prison so the world would forget what Israel and the SLA did there. That place was a nightmare. Saad Haddad, the Maronite brtcher, headed the Christian radio station "Voice of Hope,” which was set up and financed by right-wing US evangelist Pat Robertson.

“More than 15 political assassinations have taken place in Lebanon since the end of the Civil War, and who is always accused internationally one hour after each assassination??? Syria—Syria--Syria. Never once has there been any proof that Syria was involved. There often were great reasons for Syria NOT color = red>to be involved, but this is always ignored. The Zionist agenda was to build a case against Syria in order to get the Syrian army out of Lebanon. Lebanon doesn’t have much of an army, which is one reason why Hezbollah and the militias arose. Israel and the USA had to get the Syrian army out of Lebanon so Lebanon would once again become easy prey. Remember: Lebanon originally asked Syria to send its army for help in order to oust the Israelis and help stop the civil war.”

Yes, President Suleiman Frangieh (Maronite) called for Syrian help in June 1976. By the way, in October 1976 the Israelis started shelling Palestinians in Aishiya, an isolated Christian village in a Muslim area. In March 1978 the Israelis invaded, but later withdrew. In June 1982 they launched their major invasion (Operation “Peace For Galilee.”) The Civil War was complex, and all the militias blame everyone else, but no one color = red> ever blames Israel. There’s a Lebanese Christian web site that portrays Syrians (and Palestinians) as the bad guys.

“After Israel’s defeat in 2006, an alliance formed between Muslims and Christians against Saniora, the U.S. / Zionist puppet prime minister. The entire opposition against Saniora and his allies (plus all the Shiite representatives) resigned from the government, thus dissolving it according to Lebanese law, and making the government structure unconstitutional. However the US puppet agents refuse to leave their offices -- and the US, Europe, UN and Arab puppets states all endorse the unconstitutional US agents in Lebanon! color = red> “

I know! Fences and barbed wire surround the Grand Serail plus other government buildings. Shiites have set up tents in parking lots, and use portable toilets. A stage has been erected with giant loudspeakers. Rows of vendors sell food and drinks. Campers sit, eat, read, and talk. It’s like a surrealistic party in which everyone has a nervous kind of “fun,” but they know the stakes are deadly serious. Weird.

“It’s been about a year and more now that the unconstitutional Lebanese ‘government’ only derives legitimacy from being puppets of the US/Zionist empire. Shameful. The opposition in Lebanon never refers to ‘the government’ or ‘representative so and so’… They only refer to ‘the unconstitutional government’ and ‘the unconstitutional representative so and so’.”

What do you think would happen if a Shiite-Christian alliance stormed the Grand Serail and simply took over the government? color = red> Would the USA invade? Would Israel? I wonder about that.

“President Emile Lahoud declared this government officially dissolved, and so did the head of the parliament Nabih Berri -- but the US / Zionist media ignored this. (The presidency has been empty since 23 Nov 07 when Emile Lahoud's term ended.) The current Lebanese ‘government’ is illegal according to the Lebanese constitution, but because of practical reasons for the empire, the US / Zionist empire continues to support its puppets. One of the reasons the Lebanese economy is at a standstill is that this ‘government’ has no actual power or authority to do anything. It is just a front kept up in the hope that the US/Zionist powers will be able to win the political conflict in Lebanon. The US and Israel have constantly tried to instigate civil war in Lebanon through various assassinations and provocative media, but the opposition refuses to be sucked in. So in this sense the US / Zionist empire has been thwarted. color = red>

The US puppet government and all their supporting states tried to use the Nahr el Bared refugee camp ‘incident’ to start a clash between the Lebanese army, the Palestinian refugees, the Lebanese people, and Hezbollah. That also totally failed.”

Yes, but isn’t the US / Zionist empire keeping Lebanon deadlocked?

“Hezbollah and the Lebanese army enjoy very good relations, as they both fight the US / Zionist empire. The empire can’t tolerate this, so its puppets who call themselves the ‘Lebanese government’ arranged for the 12 Dec 07 assassination of Francois El-Hajj, the second in command of the Lebanese army. The first in command, Michel Suleiman, is now the main presidential candidate for Lebanon. If he becomes president, then El-Hajj would have become the top army commander. Publicly the unconstitutional ‘Lebanese government’ praises the Lebanese army, but privately it’s dying to dismantle the army. Meanwhile Israel and the US refuse to equip the army, because they want to keep Lebanon weak. They are also desperately trying to change Lebanese army doctrine, which states that Lebanon’s main enemy is Israel. The Lebanese army refuses to change its doctrine, especially since Israel continues to occupy the Shebaa Farms and other parts of Lebanon. Young Lebanese soldiers – both Christian and Muslim -- grow up knowing their enemy is Israel. Therefore the US / Zionist empire frequently targets the Lebanese army for assassinations and other disruptions. The Zionist entity wants everyone color = red> to revere Zion in the same manner that Americans revere Zion, but this will not happen in the Middle East. Middle Eastern governments may bend down, but the people haven’t and won’t. Conclusion: the Lebanese army doctrine has not been changed and Israel is still the prime enemy. The Lebanese army is also more aware that ever that it is targeted, especially after this last assassination. (US/Zionist failure)”

Lebanon may not have completely bowed to the Zionists, but Lebanon has not been able to remove the puppets either. That’s what I meant when I suggested that the US / Zionist empire is “succeeding.” It’s not fully succeeding, but it’s not been pushed out either. The puppets are still there. Now, after nine postponements, presidential elections are set for this coming Saturday, 22 December. The election will probably be postponed again, but even if it isn’t, and Michel Suleiman becomes president, who will Suleiman appoint as Prime Minister? He can only appoint someone (a Sunni) who the parliament nominates, and the parliament is full of puppets. Will Saniora truly leave?

“The Lebanese people are really suffering, especially in the south, yet they have courageously avoided every trap laid by the US / Zionist empire to trigger another civil war. Frankly, I am very impressed by the political awareness and consciousness the Lebanese people have shown in the face of such difficult adversaries and such difficult conditions of life. They have remained solid and unified while their miserable political ‘leadership’ was prostituting itself left and right. Most admirable! (Another US / Israeli failure). I have to say something about the Lebanese people, because nobody else is saying it in the West… and I am not referring to the rich spoiled Lebanese tiny ‘elite’ that keeps referring to itself as the ‘majority’ when in effect it is a tiny minority. I refer to the great majority of Lebanese. All of the aid money that the world sent to the Lebanese people that suffered the Israeli onslaught in July / Aug 2007 never went to the victims or the devastated south. The money so far remains in the pockets of the unconstitutional US/Zionist puppet government.

Oh yes. That’s why the US / Zionist empire was shocked when Hezbollah started doling out relief money immediately after Israel withdrew. The Israelis had bombed all the banks and all the roads, but the money still came through. (Ha ha!) All of the “aid” from the US / Zionist entity was designed to prop up the puppets, not to bring relief to the people. I knew Lebanon was in trouble the minute Saniora took money from the World Bank (which is a Zionist organ). That’s when I knew for certain he was a puppet.

“In order to get the Lebanese opposition to bend down to US / Zionist demands, the unconstitutional government resorted to cutting the electricity in South Lebanon down to two hours a day. How exactly do businesses work when there is no electricity?? How do you keep groceries fresh with no electricity?? How do hospitals operate without electricity?? We are in Winter and it gets very cold in Lebanon.”

Yes, electricity cut-offs also happen in Shiite parts of Beirut. Electricite du Liban (EDL), the state-run utility, attributes this to “technical problems.” The company has 13 plants that provide 85 percent of the electricity in Lebanon, and the puppets control it. Keeping people in the dark is a standard Zionist trick. They do it in Gaza. Saniora wants to privatize the company (sell it to some rich Jew). In fact, a standard US / Zionist strategy is to get countries to privatize everything, so everything can be controlled from outside. Part of the puppets includes the “Higher Council for Privatization,” which was set up in 2003. Electricite du Liban was allowed to go $3 billion into debt in preparation for the big sell-off. This was done by not collecting half of all utility bills. Politicians grabbed any money that did come in. Some rich Jew will buy the company for pennies, and will suck payments from the Lebanese. The company has a bloated staff of administrators who earn astronomically high salaries, and obtained their jobs through connections to the puppets. Those who support the puppets get free electricity. Everyone else gets nothing. (Rich people in Lebanon have their own generators.) If Michel Suleiman becomes president, he should send the army in to run the power plants immediately.

“The Lebanese who have already suffered a savage Israeli attack and lost many of their homes, now also don’t have heating, or often water which their ‘government’ also likes to deprive them from to twist their arms. It’s not that electricity or water are unavailable. They are available, but not for the supporters of the opposition in order to punish the opposition and force them into bending down to US and Israeli demands. This is US ‘democracy’ in the Middle East. Now when I hear American officials speak, I want to throw up in their face. They don’t have a shred of self-respect, integrity, morality, responsibility, or even intelligence. Yes, the Lebanese people are going through an extremely rough time, but the US and Israel have not had their way with Lebanon. Unfortunately the entire world deliberately ignores this in order to please the American / Zionist master. The world gives no credit to the courageous opposition that dared stand up to the powers of the empire. Lebanese politics are complicated with many different sects and political alliances that are not so clear-cut to follow even in the Arab world.”

Yes, the 2006 Israeli attack was a shock to Lebanon, as its people realized they were truly alone. I blame Syria to some extent. Massive refugees poured into Syria, causing a tremendous strain on the Syrian economy. Everyone in Syria cheered Hezbollah (even more than people in Palestine did). Perhaps Syria should have put jets in the air to keep the Israeli jets out. Maybe this would have started a war, but if Israel couldn’t defeat Hezbollah, then how could it defeat Hezbolah and Syria? Is it possible that Assad was “teaching Lebanon a lesson”?

“Ah yes… there is also the issue of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. So far this is color = red> a success story for Israel and its puppets. Lebanon is currently hosting about 800,000 Palestinian refugees, which is not easy for any country, let alone a small and besieged country like Lebanon. These refugees are supposed to go back to the 67 occupied territories according to all signed agreements and resolutions etc… which Israel of course will never agree to. If Palestinian refugees return to Palestine (occupied 67 territories) now unofficially considered and accepted by the US and its puppets as ‘Israel’, the Jewish majority would then again decrease. There are about 4 million Palestinian refugees awaiting their legal right of return. Hezbollah and the Christian Lebanese opposition support the Palestinian right of return, so that it can lighten up the load on Lebanon and allow Lebanon to develop the areas currently occupied by the Palestinian refugee camps. However the US / Zionist empire opposes any right of return of the Palestinians so that Israel can maintain its ‘Jewishness’ and not fulfill its legal international obligations. Of course the Lebanese puppet government would never acknowledge this, nor do any Arab governments, as their people would eat them alive; but this is however their unfortunate pathetically weak de facto position.”

Yes, of all the issues facing Palestinians, the right of return is the one issue the “world community” agrees on. Yet Israel says F**k you to the world, and the USA bows, saying Israel must be a “Jewish state.”

As for Arab governments, one problem is the arrogance of the damned Saudis, who I have no use for. We need another Gamal Abdel Nasser. Maybe one will appear.

Thanks for your interesting comments !

This is the situation in Lebanion as I see it. Perhaps you can correct me.

THE PUPPETS (also known as the “March 14 Alliance”):

Samir Geagea: color = red> butcher and psychopath. Leader of Lebanese Forces militia and political party. Formerly aligned with Maronite Kataeb Party (aka Phalange Party). Talks and acts so much like a Zionist Jew that he could be Ariel’s Sharon’s twin brother. Hates Palestinians. His "Lebanese Forces" militia are similar to the South Lebanese Army (Israeli-employed Christian death squads).

Fouad Siniora: color = red> Interim Prime Minister. Tight with the Zionist international banking cartel. Was a close adviser to late Rafik Hariri. Knows how to keep his mouth shut when necessary. The US / Zionist regime’s favorite.

Saad Hariri color = red>--Parliamentary majority leader MP. Moron and weakling. Head of the so-called “Future Movement.” Fetches coffee for Fouad Siniora. Accuses Syria of everything. Hopes that by sucking up to the US / Zionist empire he will eventually be chosen to lead Lebanon, but he has no chance, since he’s retarded. Hinges his entire career on the fact that he is Rafiq Hariri’s son.

Amin Gemayel color = red> – head of the brutal Maronite Kataeb Party (aka Phalange Party) which helped the Israelis during the Civil War. President of Lebanon from 1982 to 1988. Has fantasies of breaking off “Christian” Lebanon from the rest of Lebanon to form a new country with Gemayal as king.

Walid Jumblat color = red> – leader of the Druze Progressive Socialist Party. Radically anti-Syrian, but changes his loyalties with the wind. As with most Druze, he cares about nothing and no one except himself. Will do and say anything to get attention.

THE OPPOSITION

Nabih Berri color = red> -- Parliament Speaker.

Gen. Michel Aoun color = red> -- leader of the Free Patriotic Movement. Top negotiator for the opposition. Supported by Muslims and non-aligned Christians. Hates Israel. Favors normalization of relations with Syria, but wants Lebanese political prisoners in Syria released. Has alliance with both the Amal movement and Hezbollah. His Free Patriotic Movement has its own TV channel (“The Orange Channel”) like Hezbollah’s Al-Minar. Conceivably could become head of the army.

Gen. Michel Suleiman color = red> --Army Commander. Wants a united Lebanon with a strong army. Publicly supported by the puppets, but privately opposed by them.

Hassan Nasrallah color = red>--Hezbollah leader.

THE ISSUE

The puppets claim that Syria is blocking all attempts to have an election, when in fact Syria wants the issue resolved. The puppets might let Gen. Michel Suleiman be president, provided the puppets can choose the rest of the government.

One minute the puppets blame Syria for all delays. The next they blame disagreements on how to amend the constitution to allow a senior public servant (Suleiman) to become president.

The real problem is that they will not negotiate with Gen. Michel Aoun at all, and certainly not with Hezbollah.

Like a breath of fresh air, free of zoo-filth; seeing past all the zpider webs that obscure the light!

It's not much different from most other places that are resisting zoopression, worldwide!!

As predicted, Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri postponed Lebanon’s presidential election for the tenth time. The election was supposed to be today (22 Dec). The new date will be 29 December.

Lebanon has been without a president since Emile Lahoud's term expired on November 23.

Nabih Berri is with the opposition against the US and Iserael. The Zionist entity wants to ram an election through, but Berri won’t allow that.

Parliament has been crippled for more than a year. The government is incapacitated.

Both the pro-Israel and anti-Israel sides have agreed in principle to elect Lebanese army leader Michel Suleiman as a consensus president, but they disagree on how to amend the Constitution to allow a senior public servant to become president. They also disagree on who will lead a new government; and how many cabinet seats each side will get. The anti-Israel side wants enough seats to veto major decisions. It is calling for the restoration of rights ignored by the current Israeli-puppet government and its predecessors. The pro-Israel side refuses to negotiate with them.

Yesterday Hizbullah lashed out at Bush for urging Lebanon's pro-Israel side to push through their own choice for president. Hizbullah's deputy leader, Sheikh Naim Qassem, said Bush’s "orders" to violate the Constitution will not be implemented in Lebanon.

On a visit to Lebanon this week, US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs David Welch accused the anti-Israel side of obstructing the vote by boycotting Parliament sessions and setting conditions for the future government.

French Zio-President Nicolas Sarkozy called Syria’s president Bashar Assad and demanded that the pro-Israel side be allowed to install a government. Assad said he had no control over what happens in Lebanon.

Bush said that if the deadlock cannot be resolved, then the pro-Israel side should be allowed to install whoever it wants.

Source

Two groups are vying for power in Lebanon.

One group -- the “March 14 Alliance” -- is completely corrupt, and wants to reduce Lebanon to a puppet state controlled by the USA and Israel.

The other group is known as the “opposition.” It consists of Hezbollah, the regular Army, and non-aligned Christians. It wants a free Lebanon with no outside meddling by anyone (Syria, Israel, USA, or otherwise).

However, Reuters and all the other Zio-media describe the two sides this way…

The corrupt side is the “anti-Syria ruling group.”

The other side is the “Hezbollah-led opposition.”

In fact the leader of the opposition is Army General Michel Aoun, a Christian

And of course Reuters includes the obligatory phrase…

“Hezbollah, which is backed by Iran color = red> and listed by the United States as a terrorist group…”color = red>

Never is there any mention that the EU does NOT consider Hezbollah a “terrorist group.”


by Duccio

"Jerusalem! Jerusalem! How often would I have sheltered you under my wings, as a hen does her chicks, but you would not have it so . . . ." (Luke 13:34)

Here are more comments in addition to yours on Lebanon… It would have been great if one could have put all of this together with the right tags down so that anybody looking for info on Lebanon might be able to get an English non-Zionist approach to events… The tags of the original article posted are not really about Lebanese politics…

So…

There now are 2 main parties in Lebanon and those are made of alliances of smaller parties. The 2 main parties as Abdul Alhazred says are those who call themselves the ‘majority’ and the opposition. Why is it that the first party calls itself the ‘majority’ when it actually is no ‘majority’ at all?! Let me clarify first this point for those who don’t know as it will help understand much more about Lebanese politics and the hypocrisy of politicians and media.

Today’s “majority” used to be when it first entered government in 2005 a majority indeed. When did it lose this status?? When it lost its major ally. Who was its major ally?? Hezbollah. Yes Hezbollah without whom it could never have been a “majority”. Today’s real majority is again found in an alliance mainly of Hezbollah and of several Christian and Muslim parties which together form Lebanon’s strong and solid opposition. The Lebanese unconstitutional ‘government’ unabashedly however continues to refer to itself as the “majority” and the US puppet world also continues to do the same. Unbelievable but true! Everyone however who knows anything about Lebanon knows the real story and jokes about it all the time. Some time ago when MP Hariri junior (Saad) for example was in the process of bending very low in order to please the US and Israel, he declared that no allies of Hezbollah would be allowed to run for presidency (ie. Michel Aoun) or enter government. He was of course immediately challenged by several political commentators who sarcastically and jokingly asked to kindly himself leave the government since he himself had been elected into government entirely due to his alliance with Hezbollah! Hariri Junior refrained from making such stupid comments again:)
So now you know who the ‘majority’ is and who the real undeclared but know majority is.

Since the Nahr el Bared affair…
US military cargo planes have been landing with loads of weapons in the Hariri airport. From my Lebanese friends, I also know that ‘UN’ forces are all over the airport. Through that very same airport also 2 known Israeli reporters managed to land and get into Lebanon although Israelis are legally forbidden entrance into Lebanon. One of the Israeli reporters was so bold as to carry a live program aired on Israeli TV from her Lebanese balcony overlooking the cities that Israel had been bombarding a few weeks earlier. The reporter broadcast live her program from Lebanon. She however couldn’t put her foot into Hezbollah secured territory.

I assumed that Israel was behind most of the provocations, such as the bomb that killed six UNIFIL members on 24 June 2007. Do you suggest the Lebanese Forces set that bomb? That would make sense. Israel, the USA, and the Lebanese Forces want to goad Hezbollah. And yes, the “Lebanese Forces” (aka Christian “Phalangists”) were as savage as the Israelis.

You assume right…, but there is little difference now between Israel and the US considering that the US is run by an Israeli/Zionist cabal. What I am suggesting here that the Lebanese Forces are again in full operation despite the fact that they were legally banned. They are now again heavily involved in a lot of violent political pimping for the US and Israel. The reason they are not really spoken of is because they are a huge underground militia who the US and Israel finance and arm. Their people have been caught training months ago with the latest Israeli weapons. How did these weapons get to them?? Certainly not through the South of Lebanon. They are behind many of the crimes and civil unrest that take place in Lebanon and aren’t even reported in the West. One must also not discount the presence of other militias that are being armed by the US and Saudi Arabia such as the Mustaqbal forces (Future movement) of the Hariris) or Jumblat’s militia which I am sure also takes arms from Israel with ‘helicopters arriving from Jordan’. I cannot be sure who is responsible for the UNIFIL bomb, but I am sure that Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah had warned the UNIFIL and the world on several occasions prior to the attack that they would be subjects to a US/Israeli false flag in order to have anything to hold and use against Hezbollah. I myself heard Nasrallah mention this issue on several occasions. In a previous post, I had quoted the following interesting translation of part of a Nasrallah speech:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2253

THIS is Nasrallah's speech on 16/02/2007.

http://english.wa3ad.org/index.php?show=news&action=article&id=1112

Regarding UNIFIL, Nasrallah says:

"The next issue concerns the UNIFIL. The “neo-forecasters” have been forecasting for the past two month assassinations and explosions. Praised be God… Their forecasting seems always to be in place (jokingly).
It’s been more than two months now that they have been forecasting that something would happen in the South targeting the UNIFIL forces.
Either they are themselves preparing something that they will execute against the UNIFIL or they are summoning someone from abroad who will execute an operation against the UNIFIL.
There seems to be insistence on their part regarding this “prophesy”. It’s been about 2 months now… and they still insist.
Of course we know that if something happens to the UNIFIL in the South, who is going immediately to be blamed? Hizbullah of course.
Hizbullah attacked the UNIFIL.
Hizbullah wants to discard resolution 1701 . . .
Hizbullah wants this . . .
Hizbullah wants that.
Either way, they’ve been preparing something there.
Of course at the other end of the rope is the Israeli side doing its share of incitement.
Yesterday for example, Yediot Ahronot printed that the French forces of the UNIFIL had been flying reconnaissance planes in the South for the past few days intensively.
This was simply provocative news and they knew it very well.
It is not among the UNIFIL’s duties to fly reconnaissance missions on the South and to spy on it… and we communicated this matter to many of the countries participating in the UNIFIL.

We told them to let the Israelis violate the airspace and take whatever pictures they want…, but not to violate the sovereignty themselves taking pictures and thus becoming spies in Israel’s eyes.
Let the Israelis commit the violations…, but we don’t accept that the UNIFIL should be made into the spies.
Indeed, once the news was out and we contacted the different countries of the UNIFIL, they made it very clear that this item of news was incorrect and untrue. Today the official spokesmen of the UNIFIL also denied this item of news.
I am however telling you very clearly that there are those who are presently working at creating a climate of tension and confrontation between the Resistance and UNIFIL… in exactly the same manner as they always tried to create tension between the Resistance and the army.

In what concerns the UNIFIL we have to be careful. Any inciting or provocative material coming out of media sources should be verified, double-checked and corroborated and handled through diplomatic and political channels.
It is not in Lebanon’s interest or the interest of the South or the Resistance that there should be any problems between the UNIFIL and the Resistance or the UNIFIL and the inhabitants of the region. This should be very clear.
However, if there are domestic (internal) elements who wish to create strife or to target the UNIFIL, then of course we know that when an “accident” happens, the accused is ready to be pointed at.
God may help us all then…
This is our true and responsible position towards the UNIFIL."

What do you think would happen if a Shiite-Christian alliance stormed the Grand Serail and simply took over the government? Would the USA invade? Would Israel? I wonder about that.

“Would the USA invade”? Certainly not. This is where you and I disagree on the ‘might’ of the US. If Israel which knows Lebanon well (unlike the US) couldn’t have its way in 2006 (and it had 1000% US support), do you think the US will? One big bomb like the 1982 one made the whole US contingent literally flee and run away before even informing its allies! My answer is no… the US can’t invade… and if it tries, that would be great because it will mean a faster US decline and thus a faster Israeli collapse:)

“Would Israel invade”? Certainly not. Israel hasn’t yet recovered from the failed 2006 attack. Invading means entering with your ground forces. Israel couldn’t even advance 3 kilometers into Lebanon for over a month of a bombing campaign that was bigger than all Israeli attacks on the entire Middle East put together. While Israel was telling the world through its Zionist controlled media that it had advanced to the Litani river and had occupied the towns of Bent Jbeil, Mais al Jabal etc.., the reality was that Israeli soldiers didn’t manage to advance anywhere and withdrew their famous IDF sissy brigades after countless trials..

“What do you think would happen if a Shiite-Christian alliance stormed the Grand Serail and simply took over the government?”

This was the dream scenario for the unconstitutional ‘government’ for this past year so that they could point the figure at the opposition with the help of the World Zionist Media and show how ‘undemocratic’ opposition and ‘extremists’ were. This would have been a perfect occasion for the Lebanese Forces militia as well as Jumblat’s militia and let’s not forget the Hariri Mustaqbal’s militia to make some noise and maybe trigger the long awaited civil war (by the US and Israel) and sectarian strife in Lebanon.. Divide and rule is the name of the game.. The Lebanese opposition is slowly advancing in its own way and that is most annoying to the unconstitutional ‘government’ that has practically run out of cards to play. The current presidential nominee Michel Suleiman which the “majority” claims having nominated as their candidate, is actually one of the first nominees the opposition proposed and the “majority” refused because like his predecessor General Emile Lahoud, he is the leader of the Lebanese army, has no intention of changing its military doctrine and enjoys very good relations with Syria.

Yes, but isn’t the US / Zionist empire keeping Lebanon deadlocked?

Of course it is… but at least Lebanon isn’t dead as was planned for it. Lebanon could have either caved into Israeli and US demands or pressures and become another Palestine or Iraq.. or Lebanon had to take the challenge. I don’t know of any Arab country who has land still occupied by Israel but who has ended the state of war with the Zionist entity for a ‘peace’ agreement as is requested from Lebanon now from the US. Israel and their puppets in Lebanon. Egypt is the only Arab country to have signed with the Zionist entity a “peace” agreement, but only after the complete return of occupied Sinai.

Lebanon may not have completely bowed to the Zionists, but Lebanon has not been able to remove the puppets either. That’s what I meant when I suggested that the US / Zionist empire is “succeeding.” It’s not fully succeeding, but it’s not been pushed out either. The puppets are still there. Now, after nine postponements, presidential elections are set for this coming Saturday, 22 December. The election will probably be postponed again, but even if it isn’t, and Michel Suleiman becomes president, who will Suleiman appoint as Prime Minister? He can only appoint someone (a Sunni) who the parliament nominates, and the parliament is full of puppets. Will Saniora truly leave?

Yes, US/Zionist puppets are still there and will not disappear even if the government is changed. They will be reduced and weakened. As for the presidential elections…

THE POSTPONEMENTS

Don’t take the postponements as a sign of weakness on the part of the opposition; quite the contrary. The opposition didn’t even bother to show up at most of the sessions and this is why the sessions couldn’t be held. For a session to be acknowledged, the Lebanese constitution stipulates that there must be a two thirds majority of the delegates presence. Since the “majority” is not really a majority, there never is a two thirds presence and the head of parliament has to cancel the session. Let me explain here for those who don’t know why the “majority” refers to itself as the “majority” when it actually is the minority. Today’s “majority” used to be when it first entered government in 2005 a majority indeed. When did it lose this status?? When it lost its major ally. Who was its major ally?? Hezbollah. Yes Hezbollah without whom it could never have been a “majority”. Today’s real majority is again found in an alliance mainly of Hezbollah and of several Christian parties which together form Lebanon’s quite strong opposition.
Back to the postponement of presidential elections. In the beginning of the parliament sessions, the “majority” couldn’t come up with any presidential candidates as the different parties within the “majority” were not in agreement with each party aiming for a different candidate. The opposition had already named its candidate over 6 month ago. After dozens and dozens of meetings the “majority” still failed to come up with a nominee, together with the US and France they agreed to ask the Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir to come up with a list of acceptable candidates!! Why did they delegate their responsibility to Sfeir? Because Sfeir is the highest Christian Maronite authority in Lebanon and the Lebanese president has to be a Maronite. Imagine… the secular modern politicians and western countries who make fun of Hezbollah and Islam delegated a political presidential choice to the clergy!!!!! Of course it was a laugh for the opposition because it also showed the despair of the “majority” as well as its America, Zionist and French supporters. To make a long story short, Sfeir after a lot of hesitation put down 10 names which were all refused by either the “majority” or by the opposition. The Christians that belong to the “majority” were getting mad that they couldn’t find an acceptable Christian Maronite for the position of President. In Lebanon according to Lebanese law the President must be a Christian Maronite, the Prime Minister a Sunni Muslim and the Head of Parliament a Shiite Muslim. So… for the first time in Lebanon’s history, the prime Maronite position was vacant… hehe.. and this is entirely due to the terrible way in which the Christians of the “majority” who are allied with the US and Israel have been playing their political cards for the past few decades. We should remember here that when Lebanon was created in the 1940’s, it was designed to be a “Christian state”. What was most frustrating for the Christians of the “majority” is that they could not vote for the most popular Maronite Christian in Lebanon because he was the prime candidate of the opposition and of Hezbollah!!! I am referring here to General Michel Aoun. He clearly represents the vast majority of Christians in Lebanon and he is the prime presidential candidate and ally of the Shia Muslims… for these reasons alone, the “majority”, the United States and Israel absolutely refuse him! France has agreed to him but Amine Gemayel and Samir Gaegae don’t want him. They both also want the presidential seat. Samir Gaegae is not welcomed by everyone in the “majority” so the best compromise and consensus candidate the ‘majority’ Christians agreed to was Michel Suleiman, the head of the army in order not to have to chose Michel Aoun and thus bend down to the opposition. The opposition agreed as it had anyway nominated General Michael Suleiman earlier in an effort to reach an agreement with the ‘majority’ and the ‘majority’ at the time, refused him.

Since the main two parties seem to now agree, why is the presidential nomination still being postponed??
This issue is never covered in the West. When the US puppet government took over after the Hariri assassination, they stripped the president from a lot of his powers as they viewed him as a Syrian puppet. Ex-President Emile Lahoud was also the head of the army, loyal to Lebanon and to the Arab cause… and Israel was his prime enemy as per the Lebanese military doctrine which he also refused to change much to the Zionist world’s and to the US’s distress. The opposition now refuses to confirm any new president before the presidential powers are all restored to guarantee protecting Lebanon from another puppet government. The “majority” and opposition agreed to the necessary constitutional changes. Until there all is fine. Here is where the final problem lies: amendments to the constitution can only take place by a constitutional government. The opposition therefore requires the Seniora government to resigns so that a constitutional government can finally be formed, amend the constitution and confirm the president legally. It makes full sense considering that the opposition has always maintained that the Seniora government had been unconstitutional since the resignation of all opposition MP’s including the entire Shiite representation. Resign???!!!!! LOL! Of course the US and Israel and their puppets are holding onto their seats with their teeth! Meanwhile, Lebanon waits without a president… just like it’s been without a government for the past year or more.

They also disagree on who will lead a new government

The ‘majority’ refused without naming any reason to accept the candidate of the opposition for presidency) who was General Michel Aoun. They can give absolutely no reason; they simply refuse him. We all know the reason of course and it is because he represents a huge block of people in Lebanon and represents the majority of the Lebanese Christians as was proven in the latest elections where Amine Gemayel ran for a seat in his own Metn constituency and lost the elections to an unknown second of General Aoun’s. For the first time Gemayel had lost in an area which historically belonged to his family. The Maronite Christians of the ‘majority’ cannot accept that they no longer represent the majority of Lebanese… and they probably never did. Today the Maronite Christians constitute 5% of the Lebanese Christians only! The Christians constitute a maximum of 30% of the Lebanese people today.
Now because the ‘majority’ (Seniora government) refused the candidate of the opposition for no reason, the opposition returned that same gesture to the ‘majority’ by refusing their candidate for Prime Minister… namely Saad Hariri.. also for the same reason… namely no reason.

Everyone in Syria cheered Hezbollah (even more than people in Palestine did). Perhaps Syria should have put jets in the air to keep the Israeli jets out. Maybe this would have started a war, but if Israel couldn’t defeat Hezbollah, then how could it defeat Hezbolah and Syria? Is it possible that Assad was “teaching Lebanon a lesson”?

First of all, not only the Syrian people were cheering Hezbollah. ALL THE ARAB PEOPLE WITHOUT EXCEPTION WERE! There were demonstrations of support all over the Arab world for Hassan Nasrallah and Hezbollah and pictures of Nasrallah were distributed in every Arab house. In the Arab world everybody, even the poor have satellite TV… and hence the entire Arab and Muslim world followed every step of the war on Lebanon. There was a media blackout so that people couldn’t find out… and Israel had planned to destroy Hezbollah’s satellite TV station Al Manar…, but surprise Israel… hehehe… Al Manar never stopped broadcasting even as it reported that Israel had just eliminated it headquarters with bunker buster bombs! Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah kept the Lebanese and the Arab world through addresses which he directed to us, informed of the situation. Everybody was just glued in front of the TV screen until Israel got the boot and Nasrallah came out in his famous victory speech. The 300,00.000 Arabs were cheering Hezbollah and ecstatic to see Israel get a whipping! Syrians welcomed a lot of Lebanese refugees and helped them throughout the war. Hassan Nasrallah is a hero in the Arab world.
You mention that “if Israel couldn’t defeat Hezbollah, then how could it defeat Hezbolah and Syria?” My personal point of view is that Hezbollah would never have done so well had any country or army interfered in its operations. One of the main factors of Hezbollah’s success is its secretiveness. Hezbollah has a system foreign to all others. It is an organization/structure different from all others and follows its own codes and rules. It is not a traditional army and had it been so, I am sure that the Israelis would have had a much easier time with it. I see the strength of Hezbollah as derived from different basics than the strength traditional armies derive..

We need another Gamal Abdel Nasser. Maybe one will appear.

oh noooooo pleeeaaasewe don’t need another Gamal Abdel Nasser. I don’t know where you are from Abdul Alhazred, but if another Gamal Abdel Nasser surfaces in Egypt, I will personally send him to you immediately by DHL wherever you are:) As I told you I am an Egyptian and Abdel Nasser and the 67 experience are not issues that we could forget. I understand that what Abdel Nasser spoke about sounded most appealing but the fact is that it remained at the level of rhetoric. Do you know that Abdel Nasser sent Egypt into war when he was in full knowledge that half our army was in Yemen? What did he think he was doing? Playing ‘Risk’?? Abdel Nasser miscalculated and caused us the loss of all of the Sinai and the Suez Canal other than the fact that he paralyzed the economy of the country and literally robbed it later. Until today, Egypt continues to pay a heavy price for Nasser’s big mouth. Do you know that while Nasser knew that the entire Egyptian air force had been destroyed, he had Egyptian radio report to the Egyptian people that they were achieving great victories against Israel??! He even officially reported the same news to some of his Arab allies thus completely misleading them. This is like George Bush’s lies to the American people on Iraq. I raise my hat to a man like Hassan Nasrallah who does what he says. He doesn’t just talk, he executes. In the beginning of the Israel/Lebanon war of July 2006 when Nasrallah started reporting to us the situation on the ground, the destruction of the Merkava tanks and the inability of Israel to advance etc.., I hesitated for a moment in believing Sayyed Hassan although I had seen footage of what he was saying. The only reason I hesitated in believing him was because I thought that he just might turn out to be another Nasser!! Though in my guts I knew that Nasrallah was a man of his word, I could never forget with what certitude Nasser had 100% lies confidently distributed to the Egyptian people. Forgive me but I cannot share your admiration for Mr. Nasser. What we need is more Hassan Nasrallahs.. and it will be bye bye Israel sooner than ever:)

Cherifa Sirry

I thought he was a good man. Wasn't he like a "Robin Hood"?

He took from the rich and gave to the poor?

The way you explain it Cherifa, he sounds like a goof. And then he took from his people?

Whoa....I didn't know any of this.

But then I am not Eygptian.

Arab leaders have always been lousy for one reason or another. They are famous for their time-wasting, in-fighting. They don't agree on little things - and big issues fall by the wayside. And the masses suffer for it, greatly, fatally.

As for Nasrallah. Yes...he is truly a gem. I don't believe there are no other Arab leaders that equal him.

Rhiannon

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Cherifa Sirry

“A Robin Hood”?? lol! That’s just too much… but most people and most of the Arab world adore him. Of course most of the Arab world didn’t pay the price of his rhetoric. Egypt, Palestine and Syria did. The Yemenis adored him because he sent them his army to help them fight their battles… forgetting that he had placed his country in a very dangerous position and should never have allowed half his army to be out of the country! The poor Egyptians mostly admire what they think they know of Abdel Nasser, but from what we can see after 50 years, he has not helped the poor or the country. I will give you a concrete example of Nasser mistakes:

Nasser made education free for everyone (in itself a good idea) but without any limitations. If you were a lousy student, you were still entitled to go all the way to the very end of university education for free.

Result:

With the increase of students and not of education budget, the quality of education sharply declined. Classes became literally full of hundreds of students that a single professor couldn’t handle. Of course public salaries of teachers also declined. Naturally the phenomenon of “private lessons” for astronomical sums developed and teachers or university professors were the ones giving them in preparation for their own exams. Students were kind of forced to take them… and to pay for them and here we are back to private education but with none of its privileges. I would understand subsidizing students who always have good grades… but subsidizing people who flunk is ridiculous and harmful to the rest of the student body. Today Egypt has tons of mediocre poor graduates and not enough skilled labor for countless jobs which are part of the Egyptian industry, culture and economy. The great students of average income have also not been given their opportunities as they were simply outnumbered by masses. There was no special program to single out the best students.

Public universities a few years ago simply informed the government that they could no longer continue such a system especially that in the past 15 years, several foreign private universities other than the Cairo American University had opened in Cairo. Public universities have now opened inside their campus, private education sections where students pay and are treated just like in private universities.

Nasser’s system was illogical and was launched without proper study, thus harming generations of young Egyptians. Robin Hood?? Lol

He took from the rich and gave to the poor?

The Lands which he took from the ‘rich’, and cut up into small pieces before distributing to the poor… and spoiling Egypt’s entire agricultural process. Egypt used to be number one producer of cotton. Look at where we are now… nowhere. By dividing the lands into too many smaller plots to whom the government distributed seeds and whatever else was needed (without any timetable), Nasser basically reduced the quality of management of these fields and hence their production.

To top all this, Nasser’s act to simply confiscate lands and properties a re-distribute them was illegal and many land and properties are currently being returned to their original owners. Nasser disturbed all the different levels who were working within the Egyptian economy… and disturbed Egypt’s production and output.
Moreover, there are lots of private properties that Nasser and his group of officers took over and never gave back. For me, this is called “theft” pure and simple. Nasser’s father was a post man. How is it that Nasser’s children today are all multi millionaires and I’d rather not go into details that are ugly. Where for example did the jewels of the Egyptian royal family go when king Farouk was asked to leave Egypt? It is very well known that the king took nothing with him and in fact the only reason the king and his family managed to find a home and continue sending their children to school is because Saudi Arabia volunteered to give the king a small monthly salary. Where are the Jewels of the whole royal family? These are supposed to belong to Egypt and not to any relations of Nasser’s. They should be in a museum and not occasionally seen around someone’s neck.

Cherifa Sirry

I’m not Egyptian, so perhaps you can correct me where I am wrong here.

Here is my understanding about Nasser…

I agree he had a dark side. In my earlier comment I meant he was able to create some semblance of “Arab unity,” although it didn’t last, and the CIA exploited “Nasserism” to improve America’s standing in the Arab world.

You say he had a big mouth. Yes perhaps, but Nasser also had to deal with Israeli aggression. I see him as more incompetent than evil.

Nasser was a CIA asset until the 1967 war, even though he publicly condemned Zionism and Western imperialism. I don’t think he was as corrupt as Anwar Sadat, but certainly he was no saint.

They way I understand it, when the Ottomans were defeated in World War I, the Egyptians wanted independence, but the British stayed. After World War II, the USA agreed to help get the British out, provided the USA could get into Egypt. So the CIA supported the Army generals’ coup (23rd July 1952) that ousted the British puppet King Faruk I and installed General Mohammed Naguib. Nasser was part of that coup. Afterward the CIA and the firm Booz-Allen & Hamilton helped reorganize the Egyptian Mukhabarat (intelligence service) into the brutal organization we know today.

Britain agreed to pull all troops out of the Suez Canal Zone – although England and France still “owned” the canal – which gave Egypt some degree of independence from England. Then the British and Americans agreed to lend Egypt $40 million in financial aid for economic development.

In October 1954 Nasser ousted Naguib and took power. He became increasingly harsh, and had continued CIA support. The CIA helped him spew “anti-American” and “pro-Soviet” propaganda that was really disinformation.

In 1955, the USA promised to lend Nasser 56 million dollars for the Aswan High Dam, plus 200 million through the World Bank. However in August 1955 Nasser signed an arms deal with Soviet-controlled Czechoslovakia to get tanks, jets, ships, and so forth. Therefore the Western Powers retracted their loans.

Nasser responded by nationalizing the Suez Canal (26 July 1956). Britain and France had major shareholdings in the Canal, so they coked up a scheme with the Israel. Israelis would grab Gaza and the Sinai Peninsula (“Operation Kadesh”). Then the British and French would enter as “peacekeepers” and take back the canal (“Operation Musketeer” for the French, and “Operation Telescope” for the British). The attack began on 29 Oct 1956 -- but Eisenhower told the British / French / Israelis to back off. They refused, so Eisenhower threatened to sell U.S. reserves of the British pound, thereby collapsing the British currency. Britain had to withdraw on 6 November, and the French by 22 Dec 56. The Israelis declared “victory” and withdrew from Sinai.

Nasser was perceived as a hero. Many Arabs admired him, but he remained a CIA asset until the 1967 war.

In 1958, Egypt merged with Syria to form the United Arab Republic, which quickly crumbled. Average Syrians resented Egyptian bureaucrats and officers, while the Egyptian Mukhabarat (intelligence service) brutally repressed opposition groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Syrian Communist Party. Also the Syrian business class didn’t gain access to Egyptian markets.

In 1961 the UAR was dissolved, but Egypt continued to call itself the UAR until 1971.

Meanwhile the Soviets agreed to provide a third of the cost of the Aswan High Dam, and send four hundred Russian technicians to help construction, which began on January 1, 1960 and was completed in 1970, creating “Lake Nasser.”

Then came the 1967 war. By that time the Jews had control of the USA.

“Nasser’s rhetoric sounded appealing, but it was merely rhetoric. Do you know he sent Egypt into war knowing that half our army was in Yemen? What did he think he was doing? Playing ‘Risk’? His miscalculation caused us the Sinai plus the Suez Canal. He also paralyzed Egypt’s economy and robbed it later.”

My understanding was that Egypt had about 160,000 troops, of which 100,000 were put in Sinai to resist Israeli aggression. About 15,000 Egyptian troops were in North Yemen, still fighting the civil war against the Saudi-allied Mutawakkilite Kingdom.

You say Nasser had a big mouth. He was certainly not a good military commander. The war in Sinai was a disaster. Nasser issued conflicting orders. His incompetence caused many Egyptian troops to be massacred – especially after they surrendered to the Jews. The real problem, as I see it, is that the Jews had control of the USA by 1967, which meant there could be no repeat of the 1956 Suez affair. The Jews even massacred Americans on the USS Liberty with the blessing of President Johnson.

I interpret Nasser’s big mouth to mean that he would say one thing, but do another. He publicly condemned Zionism, but allowed the Jews to get away with treachery and aggression that increased over time. As for his corruption, I don’t know much about that. I do think Anwar Sadat was totally corrupt, and was therefore a darling of Israel and the USA.

“Do you know that even though Nasser knew the entire Egyptian air force had been destroyed, he had Egyptian radio report to the Egyptian people that they were achieving great victories against Israel??! Nasser even officially reported the same news to some of his Arab allies, thus completely misleading them.”

Yeah, I know…5 June 67, “Operation Focus”: the Jews destroyed over 300 Egyptian aircraft and killed 100 Egyptian pilots, thus wiping out Egypt’s air force. Maybe Nasser should have sought a peace agreement with Israel, but would the Zionists have stopped? They wanted to kill as many Arabs as possible. What do you think Nasser should have done?

“This is like George Bush’s lies to the American people on Iraq.”

I’m not sure the two events can be compared. The 1967 war was a total war. Bush’s Iraq adventure is an oil grab. Most Americans willingly believe Bush’s lies, because most Americans (like Zionists) need an “enemy.” I blame Americans for their enslavement. Jews are a disease, and Americans are too arrogant to admit that they have a disease.

Jews have absolute control of the USA. Not just government, the banks, the media, and the professions – but all of society in everyday life. Their brainwashing is total. Anyone who publicly criticizes Jews will be fired from his or her job. Any Muslim who publicly criticizes Jews will be prosecuted. The brainwashing is so total that no one outside the USA can grasp it. Foreigners think I exaggerate.

This is why I say the USA would invade Lebanon if it were necessary to protect Israel. You disagree. Perhaps you do not fully understand the extent of Jewish control. I am not speaking metaphorically when I say the USA would commit suicide to protect Israel. No one in the USA dares stand up to Jews. Few Americans even want to.

You say the USA could not invade Lebanon because the U.S. military is already stretched to the breaking point in Iraq. I disagree. I say one false flag operation would allow the U.S. government to institute a military draft (conscription) to get millions of troops that could be could be sent to Lebanon. It is not that I think the USA is stronger than you think it is. On the contrary, I think the USA is far weaker and sicker than you seem to think it is. The American obsession with protecting Israel is total and suicidal. color = red>

Most foreigners think that if the protection of Israel caused the USA to be doomed, then the USA would finally cut Israel off. I disagree. I say the USA will allow itself to be destroyed before it allows Israel to be destroyed. Foreigners simply do not understand the extent of Jewish control in the USA.

Jews own all American school-textbook companies, and they feed their lies to American schoolchildren from kindergarten on. Jews own and control U.S. popular culture. They completely own the movie industry. Most music producers are Jewish. Publishers of novels, TV producers, radio station owners – it’s Jews, Jews, and more Jews.

Again, everyone thinks I exaggerate….until they come here. Jews control the legal profession, which means that Jews get away with crimes that no one else can get away with. Jews are the biggest social group in most American universities. They easily get into schools, and they don’t have to pay back their school loans.

“I raise my hat to a man like Hassan Nasrallah who does what he says. He doesn’t just talk, he executes. In the beginning of the Israel/Lebanon war of July 2006 when Nasrallah started reporting to us the situation on the ground, the destruction of the Merkava tanks and the inability of Israel to advance etc.., I hesitated for a moment in believing Sayyed Hassan although I had seen footage of what he was saying. The only reason I hesitated in believing him was because I thought that he just might turn out to be another Nasser!! Though in my guts I knew that Nasrallah was a man of his word, I could never forget with what certitude Nasser had 100% lies confidently distributed to the Egyptian people.”

Agreed. Nasrallah has three great strengths. (1) He knows when to say nothing (2) He has unshakable faith in his people (3) He is patient. Patience is why Hezbollah will prevail. Patience is why the USA lost in Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh’s main message was the need for his people to be patient. Impatience will be the downfall of both the USA and Israel. They want victories now. If they don’t get victories now, they fall into chaos. The American public has only soured on the war because Bush did not get an instant victory.

“Forgive me but I cannot share your admiration for Mr. Nasser. What we need is more Hassan Nasrallahs.. and it will be bye bye Israel sooner than ever”

Agreed! :)

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One thing in Nasser’s defense was that he had to cope with Zionist treachery during his entire career.

Here are some words written by a Zionist Jew who moved from Iraq to Israel, and became thoroughly disgusted with Israel…

“For decades Ben Gurion called Nasser the Hitler of the Middle East. Ben Gurion never stopped saying this. He said Nasser’s foremost intent was to destroy Israel.

The Israelis wanted America and England to treat Nasser like a pariah, but in 1954 it seemed that America was getting less critical of Nasser. So the Israelis launched their “Lavon Affair” during a three-week period in July 1954. They bombed the U.S. Information Agency offices in Cairo and Alexandria, plus a British-owned theater, plus the central post office in Cairo. They also tried to firebomb a cinema in Alexandria, but the bomb went off in one of the Israelis’ pockets.

Prime Minister Moshe Sharett was in contact with Nasser through the offices of Lord Maurice Orbach (a British Jew). Sharett asked Nasser to be lenient with the captured Israeli terrorists, and Nasser did everything possible to maintain peace between Egypt and Israel.

In February 1955 Ben Gurion became “Defense Minister” again. Immediately he ordered Israeli troops to attack Egyptian military camps and Palestinian refugees in Gaza, killing 54 and injuring many more. Nasser's secretary told Lord Orbach the attack proved that Israel did not want peace, and that Orbach was wasting his time as a mediator.

In November, Ben Gurion announced in the Knesset that he was willing to meet with Nasser anywhere any time for the sake of peace. The next morning the Israeli military attacked an Egyptian military camp in the Sabaha region.

And still Nasser kept sending envoys to Israel in a quest for peace. One was through the American Friends Service Committee. Another was via the Prime Minister of Malta, Dom Minthoff. Still another was through Marshall Tito of Yugoslavia.

Nasser told Dennis Hamilton (editor of The London Times) that if Nasser could sit and talk with Ben Gurion for two or three hours, there could be peace with Israel. Ben Gurion arranged to meet with Hamilton, but continued to play games, refusing to give up an inch of land, or take back a single refugee. And so Ben Gurion undermined peace efforts once again.

Nasser even sent his friend Ibrahim Izat of the Ruz El Yusuf weekly paper to meet with Israeli leaders and seek peace.

In October 1956, Nasser offered to let the Israelis use the Suez Canal. The Israelis said they no longer had any interest in the canal, while Israeli agents were in France, planning the three-way attack to get the canal. And all the while, Ben Gurion continued to call Nasser the Hitler of the Middle East. This propaganda continued until Nasser died in September, 1970.

Nasser was not the only Arab leader who wanted to make peace with Israel. There were many others. Brigadier General Abdel Karim Qasem, before he seized power in Iraq in July 1958, headed an underground organization that sent a delegation to Israel to make a secret peace agreement. Ben Gurion refused to see him.

Now, in Netanyahu, we are witnessing another attempt by an Israeli prime minister to fake an interest in making peace. Netanyahu and the Likud demand that Arafat institute more and more repressive measures in the interest of Israeli "security."

Sooner or later I suspect the Palestinians will have enough of Arafat's corruption, and they’ll get rid of him.

Then the Israelis will say, "See, we were ready to give him everything. You can't trust those Arabs-they kill each other. Now there's no one to even talk to about peace."

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The overall article is very interesting, and shows what happens when Arab Jews try to move to Israel.

They are treated like dirt.

Here’s the article.

First of all, apologies for the delayed reply, but I was travelling… plus responses to Abdul Alhazred can’t be written in rush-rush situations:)
So here I go:
Let me start by thanking you for my html lesson! I can’t tell you how this is appreciated. I really try to advance my HTML “skills” (lol..), but… you could say that I don’t seem to be such a great student:(
Nasser

You say he had a big mouth. Yes perhaps, but Nasser also had to deal with Israeli aggression. I see him as more incompetent than evil.

Agreed… he was incompetent. I never said he was “evil”. This is Dubya’s language:) Some of his ideas were great ie. Arab nationalism, but Nasser was not a writer or philosopher who could afford to have good yet unfeasible ideas; he was the president of Egypt and as such was responsible for Egypt and for the Egyptian people. He handled this responsibility miserably and as far as I am concerned, Nasser cannot be forgiven for his miserable performance because he was a good speaker.

One thing in Nasser’s defense was that he had to cope with Zionist treachery during his entire career.

So did Sadat and so does Mubarak and so do all Arab leaders. The problem with Nasser is that he was soooo popular and charismatic that it is unusual to see him being criticized like I am doing right now. People always come “to his defense” as though he were some kind of immature or handicapped child. If he wasn’t up to the responsibility of leading a country and army, he should have resigned or at least not made such grandiose threats and paved the way for the 1967 defeat. I don’t understand why you come to Nasser’s defense by describing the difficult political situation? Nasser was not a school teacher or a truck driver who found himself facing a political problem unexpectedly. Nasser and the “free officers” took over power in Egypt in order to rule and take decisions for the country. He didn’t take power in order just to enjoy the pleasures and prestige it afforded him… or did he..? Nasser almost enjoyed (and still enjoys) Godly positioning with most people always coming up “in his defense”. The fact however remains that Nasser played right into Zionist hands with all his famous speeches and words against Israel and the Jews (which were mostly correct, but which he couldn’t afford saying). The more he spoke aggressively and pleased the Arabs, the more he helped Israel build its case as a ‘victim-state’ which was overwhelmed by “terrible nasty Ayrabs” who wanted to ‘drown it in the sea’. If you compare Nasser to Nasrallah, Nasrallah understands perfectly the Zionist game and NEVER plays into it. He certainly criticizes, but he doesn’t make threats that he can’t carry out and he knows how to play within the rules of the game. The US and Israel keep laying traps for Nasrallah in order to trigger some sort of reaction which they could abuse, but Nasrallah never gives them what he knows they want. This is what I call “coping with treachery” properly as a leader. Nasser failed to do that. Nasser kind of did what Saddam did: remember when Saddam kept saying “let the Americans come and we’ll show them”? What did Saddam show the Americans and what did Nasser show the Israelis?? How did Iraq pay for Saddam’s miscalculations and how did Egypt pay for Nasser’s miscalculations? People’s love for the “ideal of Nasser” is most often stronger than their capacity to face the real cost of this “ideal” which turned out to be rather void.

Yeah, I know…5 June 67, “Operation Focus”: the Jews destroyed over 300 Egyptian aircraft and killed 100 Egyptian pilots, thus wiping out Egypt’s air force. Maybe Nasser should have sought a peace agreement with Israel, but would the Zionists have stopped? They wanted to kill as many Arabs as possible. What do you think Nasser should have done?

At least Nasser could have not paved the way for Israel’s land grabs behind the ludicrous “self-defense” and “us-poor-Jewish-victims” excuses. Nasser should have known his limits and should have operated cleverly within them. Nasser gambled with his country and caused it major losses because he didn’t know his limits and Israel and the West made the best out of that. They scored and he didn’t.
Israel was and remains an ENEMY and Nasser wasn’t even in the position to establish “peace”. It takes a lot of strength to establish “peace” and Nasser’s Egypt was anything but strong. I am sorry Abdul, but I don’t’ have it in me to find excuses for Nasser and his rhetoric has a totally adverse effect on me as all Arab rhetoric does (Nasrallah excluded.. but then his words are not ‘rhetoric’). Nasser gambled with his country and he should take responsibility for this. He did manage to bask in fame and glory for long enough! His interminable rhetoric was also very useful to Israel who always could point at him (and thus Egypt) and say: “you see, he doesn’t want peace”… and play the typical Zionist victim-role when Israel was (and is) always the actual aggressor. Nasser played his cards wrong. He lost our land. He lost more Palestinian land. He lost Jerusalem. He broke the moral of the Egyptian military and his irresponsibility caused the total destruction of the Egyptian air force. The 67 defeat was a blow to the dignity of every Egyptian and this is not something one recovers from easily. It is possible that non-Egyptians around the world do not see everything Egyptians see in Nasser… because non-Egyptians didn’t have to suffer the consequences of the post Nasser era. They didn’t really feel the actual materialization of Nasser’s ideals on the economy, army and dignity of their country.
You ask if the Zionists would have stopped? Of course not. Anybody who knows anything about the Middle East knows that the Israeli “peace” story is simple bull shit. It is Israeli rhetoric. A continuously expanding brutal and ruthless occupier must be joking when he speaks of “peace” with his very victims... In my opinion, the only 2 people who managed to “play” Israel are Anwar Sadat and Hassan Nasrallah. It sounds maybe funny to put those two entirely different figures together in the same sentence..., but what I am saying is true. In their own ways, these 2 leaders got concessions from Israel which no other leaders could dream of getting. Sadat played the ‘Israeli “peace” game’ better than the Israelis themselves.. and recovered the Sinai at Israel’s infuriation. This is not a small task or achievement. Mubarak with all his flaws recovered Taba and thus 100% of the Egyptian territories that were occupied by Israel were returned to Egypt. These are major achievements especially when you look at the Arabs sitting in Annapolis today.

I’m not sure the two events can be compared. The 1967 war was a total war. Bush’s Iraq adventure is an oil grab.

I am quite sure that the Iraqis view the Iraq war as a “total war”… and not just an “adventure” and “oil grab”. Bush has totally demolished the county called Iraq and Iraq was not a third world country.

Nasser was a CIA asset until the 1967 war, even though he publicly condemned Zionism and Western imperialism. I don’t think he was as corrupt as Anwar Sadat, but certainly he was no saint.

Hmmm…. This is the first time I hear Nasser described as “a CIA agent”. I know that Nasser and the Free officers were connected with the Americans and coordinated the 52 coup with them… but that Nasser was bluntly a CIA agent, is frankly new to me. I read your post before I travelled and of course initiated some research on this point because as you can imagine, it interests me… especially that I am not a Nasser fan. I need to read up more on this point however before I can make any comments. If you have any reading material you would like to point me to, it would be appreciated. This is so ironic that it is laughable:) Nasser… the “father” of Arab nationalism… a protégé of the CIA... lol… Thank you Abdul for opening this subject.

At this point… I wonder if I should continue with my comments:)
LOL!

Maybe it's more appropriate to go to the issue of "corruption"

Nasser’s degree of corruption in comparison to Sadat’s… you under estimate Nasser my friend:) Is this again the effect of his beautiful appealing yet empty words??? Why would you think that Sadat was more corrupt than Nasser… though I am sure both did quite well:) Nasser’s children and grand-children live in utter and complete luxury and are FILTHY rich (to put it mildly)… mega business owners… major capitalists… all their babies born with golden spoons in their mouths… Where do you think their current properties and riches came from? From great grandpa’s wealth as a post man???? I don’t think so. The power of charisma is sadly extremely blinding. Too bad that I just can’t send you to one of Nasser’s children or grand children’s parties.. or mansions.. or summer retreats… so that you can see live for yourself Nasserite principles in action.

Abdul.., apologies again for my delay in replying and thanks for all you comments especially the CIA one that is keeping me busy:)

Cherifa Sirry

Why do I say that Nasser was a CIA “asset”?

I meant the CIA helped put Nasser in power, and worked closely with him until the Suez crisis of 1956.

The USA did this so nationalists would rule Egypt, and Islamic groups like the Muslim Brotherhood would not.

Here is a timeline, with information gathered from numerous sources…

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9 March 1919: color = red> Saad Zaghlul leads the Wafd Party in a coup attempt against British imperialists. Riots break out. The British strike back, killing 800 Egyptians.

11 April 1919: color = red> the Wafd delegation presents its case for Egyptian independence at the Versailles Peace Conference. They are defeated because the USA takes England’s side.

12 January 1924: color = red> the Wafd Party gains an overwhelming majority in parliament. Its leader, Saad Zaghlul, agrees to cooperate with the British imperialists.

19 November 1924: color = red> anti-imperialists assassinate Sir Lee Stack, Governor-General of Egypt / Sudan. The British get rough in Egypt / Sudan (which was one country under British rule). In Egypt, the British make such extreme demands on Zaghloul that he resigns from government.

1928: color = red> Schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna founds the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to oppose British imperialism, especially in the Suez Canal Zone. The Brotherhood believes in sharia law, but tends to focus only on Muslim education until the British puppet King Faruk later starts to hunt them down. Most members of Brotherhood preach tolerance toward other forms of Islam, although some members don’t like how Shiism and some Sufi sects glorify individual personalities.

October 1933: color = red> lawyer Ahmed Hussein founds the "Young Egypt" (Misr al-Fatah) nationalist movement, modeled directly on the Nazi party, complete with paramilitary Green Shirts like the Nazi Brown Shirts, the Nazi salute, and literal translations of Nazi slogans. They clash with “blue shirts” (security forces employed by British imperialists).

Gamal Abdel Nasser (age 16) and Anwar El-Sadat (age 15) become members of Misr al-Fatah. Arab nationalists tended to support Hitler in 1933, because Hitler opposed the Jewish bankers that ruled England and Egypt. The fascist Misr al-Fatah movement wants nationalism, rather than the Muslim Brotherhood’s Islamism. However there is no friction between them, since the Muslim Brotherhood is mainly concerned with Islamic education. Both Nasser and Sadat are on friendly terms with them.

1936: color = red> the British install Faruk I (an Albanian) as King of Egypt and Sudan. Faruk is thin, but he becomes physically obese through years of sucking the wealth from Egypt.

1939: color = red> Faruk I’s sister, Fawzia bint Fuad, marries Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in Cairo. Later the British will install Pahlavi as the Shah of Iran.

Nasser and Sadat go to Sudan to help resist British imperialism.

England declares war on Germany.

Hassan al-Banna (founder of the Muslim Brotherhood) communicates with German agents in Palestine. The Germans and the Arabs want the British out of Palestine.

1942: color = red> the Germans (Rommel's Afrikakorps) advance to 100 kilometers from Alexandria, and make plans to attack the British in Cairo. They communicate with members of the Misr al-Fatah nationalist movement, which wants the British out of Egypt. Anwar Sadat writes a treaty with Germany guaranteeing that "no British soldier would leave Cairo alive".

4 November 1942: color = red> the British push back the Germans at the Battle of El Alamein. The British arrest and imprison Sadat, along with several other members of the Misr al-Fatah nationalist movement.

1945: color = red> Reinhard Gehlen, former head of Nazi military intelligence for the eastern front, surrenders to the U.S. military just before the end of World War II. The American OSS reunites Gehlen with his Nazi associates, and establishes “the Gehlen Organization” inside the OSS and later the CIA. By the early 1950s, Gehlen was in charge of developing the new German intelligence service.

1947: color = red> The OSS becomes the CIA.

1948: color = red> Nasser is among Egyptian troops that battle with Jews during the zionist invasion and mass murders in Palestine. Egyptian forces secure the area known as the Falluja Pocket. Also present is Muhammad Naguib. Naguid is from Khartoum Sudan, where the British imperialists were very harsh on him. His idol was Napoleon Bonaparte and Mustafa Kamel, the founder of Turkey's National Party.

1949: color = red> the CIA knows it’s only a matter of time before the British are finished in Egypt. The CIA wants a nationalist movement to take over, rather than an Islamic movement like the Muslim Brotherhood. The CIA asks its German Nazis (the Gehlen Organization) to help in organizing a coup against King Faruk in Egypt. Gehlen and his organization are helped in Egypt by former SS colonel Otto Skorzeny, who had organized the ODESSA network to help Nazis escape to Egypt and Latin America after the war.

Nasser is now an instructor at the Royal Military Academy in Cairo. The CIA and the Germans choose him to lead Egypt after the coup. The Germans, the CIA, Nasser, the “Free Officers,” and the Muslim Brotherhood begin to conspire against King Faruk and his royalists.

Nasser’s group comes to be known as the “Free Officers.” Most members are young students, but they gain respectability by allowing Muhammad Naguib to be treated as the group’s figurehead. Naguib (age 48) had public respectability because he fought zionists in Palestine. He is promoted to Major General. However the CIA is really backing Nasser (age 32).

Summer 1949: color = red> Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria sign an armistice with the zionists (Iraq refuses) but the Egyptian army closes the Suez Canal to Israeli shipping. Egypt also occupies the islands of Tiran and Sanafir (at the entrance of the Gulf of Aqaba) and puts guns at Ras Nasrani.

The British are unhappy about this, but they must temporarily live with it.

1951: color = red> Mohammad Mosaddeq becomes prime minister of Iran. He nationalizes the oil industry, cutting out the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which later became British Petroleum (BP). Immediately Kermit Roosevelt Jr. (head of the CIA Near East Operations, and grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt) begins working on a coup to get rid of Mosaddeq and take back the oil. The CIA and MI6 call this “Operation Ajax.” It is organized in London, Washington and Egypt.

September 1951: color = red> The British use the UN to force Egypt to open the Canal back up for the murderous Jews. ( “Resolution 95” )

In Egypt, the CIA names its planned coup against King Faruk, “The Search for a Muslim Billy Graham,” meaning a charismatic leader who could (1) control the Egyptian public, (2) divert the growing anti-American hostility in Egypt at that time, and (3) divert Egyptian anger away from the Israelis. The CIA chooses Nasser as that man.

6 January 1952: color = red> Naguib wins elections at the army Officers' Club. His Free Officers gain increasing influence with the army. King Faruk and the British start to worry. They plan to get rid of Naguib.

25 January 1952: color = red> Police forces allied with the Free Officers refuse to surrender to British imperialist troops at the police barracks in Ismailia Egypt. The British attack, killing fifty Egyptian police officers, and wounding a hundred more. Riots break out against British airline offices, hotels, cinemas, bars, and department stores.

Cairo burns.

The British hunt down everyone they think is involved, including the Free Officers, plus members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood had little or no involvement in the riots, and continues to preach peace-peace-peace.

March 1952: color = red> the CIA’s Kermit Roosevelt Jr. begins a series of meetings with Nasser, and continues to plan the CIA-MI6 coup against Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran.

The CIA, the Germans, and Nasser make plans to betray the Muslim Brotherhood after the coup. The CIA and Nasser agree that the coup’s public leader will be Colonel Muhammad Naguib, since Naguib is popular with the Egyptian masses. Then Nasser will remove Naguib and take supreme power.

CIA operative Miles Copeland arrives in Egypt to help with the planned coup. In 1989 he published a book about this, titled, The Game Player.

Copeland meets with three Egyptian army officers, including Major Abdel Moneim Ra’ouf (a member of Nasser’s inner circle of the Free Officers). Then Copeland becomes intimate with Nasser himself.

British imperialists are still in power in Egypt. As their influence weakens, they become increasingly brutal. (It is the same with all dying empires.)

23 July 1952: color = red> the “Free Officers” – helped by the CIA and the Germans -- stage a coup that topples King Faruk I in Egypt. King Faruk flees to Italy, and then Monaco. The CIA goes into the shadows, and only communicates with Nasser and the Revolutionary Command Council through the U.S. embassy.

Publicly the USA recognizes Naguib as Egypt’s president and prime minister. Secretly the USA backs Nasser.

Naguib wants Egypt to be under civilian control. Nasser disagrees. He thinks the army must remain in control in order to keep the Muslim Brotherhood down.

December 1953: color = red> the CIA brings in a writer named Paul Linebarger (who published science fiction stories under the pseudonym of Cordwainer Smith. )

Linebarger coaches the Egyptian-American team -- plus the Minister of Information -- in turning out “anti-American propaganda” that seems to praise the Soviets, but actually does more harm than good to the Soviets. The propaganda also encourages the Egyptian public to accept rule by the generals, and to turn against the Muslim Brotherhood. The Free Officers agree to leave Israel alone for the time being.

The CIA continues to plan a coup against Mossadegh in Iran.

The CIA also continues to work closely with Nasser, grooming him for the presidency, and making plans for Nasser to attack the Muslim Brotherhood. By this time the Wafd Party – the other arm of Islamic resistance – is disbanded.

Miles Copeland and other CIA operatives in Egypt assist in the reorganization of the Mukhabarat (intelligence service). The CIA sets up training courses to acquaint Nasser and the other members of Egypt’s the Revolutionary Command Council with what they could expect from the USA.

The American techno-firm Booz-Allen & Hamilton (which is full of Israelis) improves Egypt’s immigration and customs services. Booz-Allen also tackles Egypt’s system of identity cards and vehicle registrations. (Later Booz-Allen will assist in managing the 9/11 false flag operation.)

Zakaria Mohieddin (head of the Mukharabat) sends Captain Hassan Touhami of the Free Officers to Washington. Touhami speaks English, and is shown the whole range of services that the CIA, FBI and police agencies can offer.

The Mukhabarat – now trained in CIA techniques—begins to round up members of the Muslim Brotherhood for imprisonment and torture. The Brotherhood had helped in the coup, but now they are betrayed. Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, Sayyid Qutb, and Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri become leading figures in the Islamic resistance. The Mukhabarat tortures Sayyid Qutb in prison, using CIA techniques that are still used today in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and so on.

The Brotherhood is shocked. Until now it has always preached peace. Now it turns to jihad (collective effort with spiritual guidance).

19 August 1953: color = red> the CIA topples Mohammad Mosaddeq in Iran, and installs Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as Shah. The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (aka British Petroleum) and American companies take back most of Iran’s oil. The CIA and Mosaad create the dreaded SAVAK to protect the Shah -- just as the CIA created the Mukhabarat in Egypt to protect Nasser.

In Egypt, the CIA and Nasser start moving to get rid of Naguib. Nasser is a fascist, and slightly insane, which makes him perfect. By now he controls the Revolutionary Command Council anyway.

The CIA and the Free Officers use the excuse that the Muslim Brotherhood attacked pro-Nasser students at Cairo University. This is a false-flag attack. So is an attempted “assassination” of Nasser. Nasser condemns the Muslim Brotherhood, accusing it of being a tool of British imperialists (!!!!).

Naquib, still the head of Egypt, opposes this.

25 February 1954: color = red> Nasser accuses Naguib of collaborating with the Muslim Brotherhood and British imperialists. (!!!)

Nasser’s Revolutionary Command Council deposes Nagib. However a public outcry in Egypt puts Naguib back in office – but with little real power.

The CIA continues to work with the Ministry of Information, spewing out disinformation against the Soviets and against the Muslim Brotherhood. It also continues to work with Nasser.

Nasser formally outlaws the Muslim Brotherhood. Arrests, imprisonment and torture continue. Nasser puts Sayyid Qutb in Jarah prison (near Cairo) for ten years. Qutb is tortured using CIA techniques. While in prison, Qutb’s writings are smuggled out, and later become the book Ma'alim fi'l-tariq ("Signposts on the Road", also translated as "Milestones," published in 1965). Qutb’s brother Muhammed escapes to Arabia. So does Abdullah al-Azzam (Palestinian) who later set up the Maktab al-Khidamat, or Office of Services in Peshawar, Pakistan to aid Arabs fighting against the Soviet invasion. The Maktab al-Khidamat is later supported by money from Osama Bin Laden, and advocates peace, but is supplanted in 1985 by Ayman al-Zawahiri’s group, which assassinates Abdullah al-Azzam.

March 1954: color = red> With CIA help, Nasser begins to quietly purge pro-Naguib elements in the army. Over the next eight months he gradually forces Naguib from power.

25 October 1954: color = red> another CIA-organized false-flag “assassination attempt” against Nasser makes Nasser famous. He gives public speeches in defiance of the would-be “assassins.” The Egyptian public is impressed, unaware that Nasser is brash because the “assassination” was merely a false-flag operation.

Nasser is now the de factor ruler of Egypt.

14 November 1954: color = red> Naguib resigns from government. Nasser puts him under house arrest, where Naguib will stay until Sadat finally releases him in 1972.

Nasser is now supreme. The CIA has their man in Egypt and in Iran.

However something goes awry. The Shah is a weakling, a psychopath, and a willing puppet. Nasser, however, becomes difficult to handle, and has nationalist ideas of his own.

The USA tries to control him by offering loans to build the Aswan High Dam. The USA offers $56 million. England offers $14 million.

Zionists scream in opposition to these loans. They lobby the U.S. Congress to stop them. However the Jews of the World Bank offer another $200 million if Nasser will let the World Bank control all of Egypt’s finances. To Nasser these conditions were insulting, and were a throwback to the British colonial days.

Nasser starts communicating with the Soviets, bargaining for loans for the Aswan Dam.

1955: color = red> Nasser buys tanks and arms from Czechoslovakia.

1 January 1956: color = red> Sudan becomes independent from both England and Egypt.

16 January 1956: color = red> Nasser vows to conquer Palestine.

17 February 1956: color = red> The USA stops all arms sales to Egypt.

2 March 1956: color = red> Morocco gains independence from France.

20 March 1956: color = red> After four years of guerrilla warfare, Tunisia acquires independence from France.

5 April 1956: color = red> France sends another 100,000 troops to Algeria.

4 May 1956: color = red> Nasser recognizes Communist China.

20 May 1956: color = red> Nasser says Egypt is free to buy arms from any nation it wants to.

17 June 1956: color = red> Golda Meir becomes Israeli prime minister.

19 July 1956: color = red> the USA withdraws its loan offer for the Aswan Dam. The British withdraw their loan offer.

26 July 1956: color = red> Nasser nationalizes the British / French Suez Canal Company – but he promises to compensate the stockholders of the Suez Canal Company, and to guarantee right of access to all ships. Nasser does this in the hope that revenues from the Canal will help build the Aswan Dam. Also the Canal is the last symbol of imperialist rule.

1 August 1956: color = red> U.S. Secretary of State Dulles speaks against Nasser. He says the Suez Canal belongs to the entire world (meaning Jews).

31 August 1956: color = red> zionists murder 13 Egyptian soldiers in Gaza.

2 September 1956: color = red> French foreign minister Christian Pineau calls Nasser a “dangerous dictator.” He threatens force against Egypt.

9 September 1956: color = red> French President Guy Mollet threatens Egypt.

U.S. President Eisenhower warns the British and French against the use of force, saying it could ignite the entire region, and could bring in the Soviets.

British Foreign Minister Anthony Eden cooks up a scheme. The zionists will invade Sinai and advance to the Canal. Then French and British troops will enter as “peace keepers” and take back the canal by force. Israel will be expanded to include most of the Sinai Peninsula. The Israelis agree to the plan, on condition that the British and French first destroy the Egyptian air force.

The USA finds out about this, but the French, British, and zionists lie to him, promising they will not attack.

25 October 1956: color = red> Egypt signs a tripartite agreement with Syria and Jordan placing Nasser in command of all three armies. (Major mistake.)

29 October 1956: color = red> 100,000 Jews invade Sinai and push toward the Canal Zone, murdering Egyptians as they go. The Zionists also invade Gaza.

30 October 1956: color = red> The USA sponsors a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an immediate Israeli withdrawal, but England and France veto it.

31 October 1956: color = red> French and British air forces bomb Egyptian airfields near Suez.

Nasser -- a strutting peacock and a military moron -- is helpless, but his troops put up fierce resistance.

4 November 1956: color = red> Zionists reach the Suez Canal, capturing Sharm-el-Sheikh.

5 November 1956: color = red> British and French paratroops land near Port Said. Amphibious ships drop commandoes on shore. British troops kill 2,700 Egyptians, capture Port Said, and advance to within 25 miles of Suez City. Zionists continue to advance across Sinai.

6 November 1956:color = red> Eisenhower threatens to crash the British currency, and to stop a $1 billion loan to the Israelis. He also threatens to kick Israel out of the UN. The Soviets prepare to become involved.

23 Nov 1956: color = red> A proclamation is read aloud in mosques throughout Egypt declaring that, "all Jews are enemies of the state." Jews are expelled from Egypt and their property confiscated.

3 December 1956: color = red> Britain and France buckle to U.S. pressure, and begin to withdraw their troops from Egypt.

Withdrawal becomes complete by 22 December.

England, humiliated, breaks diplomatic relations with Egypt. British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden resigns in disgrace. As the zionists retreat, they carry out a scorched earth policy in Sinai, destroying roads, railroads, and military installations, and killing every Arab they see, along with livestock, pets – everything.

Nasser becomes a hero who “stood up to western imperialism,” even though he did almost nothing, and was protected by the USA. The Suez Canal is opened back up to all ships except Israeli ships. Nasser then nationalizes all other British and French assets in Egypt. The Egyptians now have full control of the canal and its revenues.

UN peacekeeping troops are installed on the Egyptian side of the Canal Zone. They want to operate on both sides, but the Israelis consider north Sinai their territory, and will not allow UN troops on the eastern side of the Canal. The troops remain until 1967, when they were suddenly withdrawn in preparation for the Israelis’ war of aggression.
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So that's a rough history of the CIA and Nasser. They put him in power, and supported him until things went awry.

The real break between the CIA and Nasser happenend when the World Bank offered the $200 million loan for the Aswan Dam, on conditioon that the World Bank control ALL color = red>of Egypt's economy.

I'm not a fan of Nasser. I think he was megalomanical. However, if he had agreed to the World Bank's conditions, then Egypt would have been reduced to a "third world" country like those in Latin America and parts of Asia, where the World Bank and IMF wrought havoc.

Fortunatly Nasser got money and construction help from the Soviets.

I know the Aswan Dam has caused many problems, but at least Egypt was not taken over by the Jews of the World Bank.

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