Ron Paul gets jumped on 911 Truthers in FOX debate



FAUX NEWS:Many of your supporters call themselves 911 Truthers. They believe that the U.S . government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks or covered it up. Are you prepared tonight to either embrace that rhetoric or ask those supporters to abandon it or divorce themselves from your candidacy?

Ron Paul: I can't tell people what to do but I've abandoned those viewpoints. I don't believe that. That's the only thing that's important, so I don't endorse anything they say ..but I would like to take an opportunity to talk about the issue that we've been debating here the last 20 minutes ...( next words are unintelligible )

Faux News: Sir, would you ask them to cease..

Ron Paul: Pardon me?

Faux News: Would you ask them to cease that rhetoric tonight on your behalf?

Ron Paul: Well, it doesn't do me any good so if they care about me they should . But the only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say . I can't tell them what to do. So I don't endorse what they say and I don't believe that.. so please could I participate in the current debate?

Loud applause..

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FAUX NEWS clearly jumped Ron Paul with this IED of a question when he was preparing mentally to answer to his strong suite - economic issues.

I think Ron Paul's answer reveals the fact that he is concerned for his safety if he acknowledges 911 truth during the campaign.

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It makes perfect sense Ron Paul chose to avoid the association with 911 truth movement because he knows the corporate media will attack him from every point calling him a conspiracy theory kook and a nutjob if he acknowledges even the remote possibility of 9/11 inside job.

I accept his explanation because I know the majority of Americans are so brainwashed they believe in the 9/11 official story fairytale and react with violent revulsion at those who dare to challenge the official version.

America is fucked enough as it is, with the tsunami wave of the recession-cum-depression and World War III with Imperial West fighting Russia and China over Iran.

The question delivered is no doubt designed to try to ram the train into Paul's campaign to turn into the wreck. The mainstream media in the West is corrupt and complicit in playing along with the cover-up of the truth behind 9/11 attacks.

On the other hand, I sent Frank Luntz the email bashing his focus groups as idiotic assholes and he replied because of my harsh tone, he says Paul's chance of participation in further FNC debates is nil. Fuck that propagandist.

Nepos Libertas | Sat, 2008-01-12 05:10

Come to think of it. As a leader you cannot really come out and say your objectives directly. When Bush and Putin say to the media than Russia and the US aren't enemies but friends everybody knows its a load of ****.
If I was in Ron Paul's place I might also attend AIPAC meetings and maybe if possible the Bilderberg meetings. Then I could know (probably just a little) about how those criminals think. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
However there is always a big risk involved when doing this. And you most likely have to do something criminal to get into the inner circle, so I doubt it would work if I had to do it, since I would definitely refuse.

However do I think voting for Ron Paul will change anything? Absolutely not! It doesn't matter if RP is real or not, since "voting" will not work period.
Even if there wasn't any fraud, there are just too many tv-zombies voting for zionist H or zionist B.

saif_katana | Sat, 2008-01-12 07:38

If you're running for president, you don't endorse 9/11 truth, it's as simple as that. That's just the political status quo. Paul's supporters can't expect him to both have a chance at winning and openly question 9/11. Thus, the people that condemn him for not talking about it are the people that would have him throw away his chances at winning.

9/11 truth can have no overt support or representation in politics, ever. It's a fucked up state of affairs, but there you have it.

Crimes of Zion | Sat, 2008-01-12 10:39

I understand your rationale, but I disagree. I think Ron Paul’s ship has hit an iceberg, and is flooding below the waterline. He walked into a buzz saw, and his candidacy has been mortally gashed.

The question in the video was designed to split Paul from his fans. Paul walked straight into the trap and let it slam closed on him. He could have said, “I hear theories about everything from every side, but I prefer not to get bogged down in arguments that go nowhere. Nine-one-one happened. It’s time to go forward. Now here is my plan…”

To be a politician, you must weasel out of questions without being too obvious that you are a weasel.

Now Jews and warmongers are gloating. They know that 9/11 was an inside job. They also know this is a bombshell, and that Paul has finished himself.

I’ve never been a strong supporter of Paul. I merely object to negative obsessions on him based on confused speculation. In this case, no confusion or speculation is involved.

He’s done. He’s lost his base, and will soon fade away. Regardless of what he really thinks, he has shown himself to be too clumsy to be president.

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Abdul Alhazred | Sat, 2008-01-12 11:24

George W Bush is living evidence that Paul isn't too clumsy to be president, and a government is much more than its president, as you know. Thanks Dubya, for setting the bar so low.

I don't know why you think this Fox News debate heralds the end of Paul's support base. He'd already distanced himself from 9/11 truth on the Glenn Beck show, so it's nothing new to his supporters. I think his support base is broader than just 9/11, and as you can see from Claymore's blog, some 9/11ers were actually heartened by his response, if I interpret things correctly.

'It's not up to me to ask people to renounce their beliefs. I don't admonish my supporters for being Christian or Muslim, so why would I vilify them for their beliefs about 9/11? I can't and won't police the ideologies of my supporters, or anyone else.'

A response along those lines would've been ideal for me, but the one you suggested would've worked, too. It would've been easy enough to point out that associating him with the 'radical' viewpoints of others is unfair and absurd.

My point was that 9/11 truth can have no real, overt representation in mainstream politics. Even your suggested response is not support for 9/11 truth - it's just ambivalence and evasion. So I'm not sure what you disagree with.

Overall, I don't think Paul did too well at the Fox debate. He's done better. And I know what you mean by clumsy, he stutters and mumbles a lot, which can make him seem kind of childish, and unsure of himself. He's getting old.

Crimes of Zion | Sat, 2008-01-12 13:07

to sever RP from his base. Kucinich openly supports re-investigating 911, but the truthers flock to Ron Paul. Go figure.

There's a weird psychological phenomenon shown here: People will condemn others for holding the same thoughts that they themselves hold.

Witness that polls have shown that over 80% of Americans (meaning the US) question the official story about 9/11.

(http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469)

Yet, most politicians are afraid to openly question 9/11 story because they don't want people to think they're nuts. If questioning the official story makes one a nut, then most Americans are nuts.

There seems to be a perception created of how people are supposed to behave/believe/be that is different from how most people are. People are aware of the perception, and how they fall short of it, and they spend all their time trying to cover up that "shortcoming". For some reason that song "Eminence Front" comes to mind.

In the case at hand, I wish RP could have recognized that most Americans doubt the official story. Instead he looked a little awkward trying to distance himself from them. The coward dies a thousand deaths. And then his poll numbers go down.
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Christopher Marlowe | Sat, 2008-01-12 13:19

It's not easy running for president and trying to satisfy a broad base of supporters, while maintaining your integrity.

I don't envy him.

He didn't do such a stellar job with this question, but neither was his response appalling.

I can see why he wouldn't want to discuss 9/11 - without another investigation, this time independent, discussions of 9/11 are futile. But raising the question of what happened to WTC7 could have won him some points with 9/11 truthers while keeping him above mainstream waters since the 9/11 commission never provided any explanation for its collapse.

9/11 truth remains a vital part of the whole battle against their bogus "war on terror." It cannot and must not be ignored. But without another investigation, I can see why Paul would want to focus on other more addressable issues like the economy.

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qrswave | Sat, 2008-01-12 13:28
Claymoremind | Sat, 2008-01-12 13:53

Is going to vault this guy (In an 'No messing around' hyper-scrutinized election climate i will add) to new and unseen heights of MoneyChanger stun tactics right into the barbed hands of the ever sure to come collapse looming over EVERY life in North America for a whole host of reasons..

Greed

Lies

Empire

All in need of SERIOUS treatment.

This Ron Paul candidate failed as i see it.

This ship will continue SINK unless the whole nasty lot is dealt a DEMOCRATIC BLOW.

Fucking around at the edges of the core problems we all face is wasting our precious little time.

Careful about that you wish for. You just may get just that.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Masher1 | Sat, 2008-01-12 13:54

I've finally seen the light and have definitely made up MY mind-- based exclusively on his (RP's) stance regarding the GOLD-standard (as if his lying and cowardice otherwise were not enough): he's absolutely, positively a ZIONIST, imo.

Here's a passage I've just come across from de Grand Pre's book 1/ Barbarian's Inside the Gates ( http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/index.php?dir=Donn.de.Grand.Pre ), wherein he is citing 'The Fatal Discourse of Rabbi Reichhorn' (1869), which has an analogy, he says, to the Protocols, &c. (please see pg 258 (279):

"Every hundred years, We, the Sages of Israel, have been accustomed to meet in Sanhedrin in order to examine our progress toward the domination of the world which Jehova has promised us, and our conquest over the enemy-- Christianity.

"GOLD always has been and always will be the irresistable power. Handled by expert hands it will always be the most useful lever for those who possess it, and the object of envy for those who do not. &c., &c., &c."

Nobodaddy | Sat, 2008-01-12 14:02

This guy's leading a lot of people around by the nose-- which is easy to understand, sadly.

Nobodaddy | Sat, 2008-01-12 14:11

"Let us try to replace the circulation of gold with paper money;
our chests will absorb the gold, and we shall regulate the value of the paper which will make us masters of all positions."

Claymoremind | Sat, 2008-01-12 14:18

Nobodaddy has discovered that historically, gold has been associated with power, and since Paul has endorsed the gold standard, it follows that he's a Zionist, even though he wants to cut off all aid to ziostan. Alright?

Alright.

Crimes of Zion | Sat, 2008-01-12 14:25

I'm sure this zionist fraud (as I believe he likely is) is probably at least as affable and honest as Dr. Shipman was-- and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's Kissinger's cousin or something, based on the names found in his recent genealogy: http://familytrees.genopro.com/JcMorin/RonPaul/default.htm?page=toc_indi...

Well, he named his son after Ayn Rand, after all.

Nobodaddy | Sat, 2008-01-12 14:47

.. for this inevitable and perenial occasion.

"FAUX NEWS:Many of your supporters call themselves 911 Truthers. They believe that the U.S . government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks or covered it up. Are you prepared tonight to either embrace that rhetoric or ask those supporters to abandon it or divorce themselves from your candidacy?"

FAUX Patriot, propped in place to mislead 13% of U.S. THINKING, true patriots, &c., LIES, and belittles those real patriots and the truth-- first opportunity. Cut and dry-- a fraud.

Nobodaddy | Sat, 2008-01-12 14:58

I repeat, for your sake COZ, without future recantation or equivocation-- RP's a LYING FRAUD, and you know it. He's lying from the outset, and you'll continue to defend him? He's handed that opportunity, and betrays the us and the truth, &c. I, for one, am DONE with him. Have fun.

Nobodaddy | Sat, 2008-01-12 15:11

Paul did miss an opportunity to call for a truly independent 911 investigation. Even the clueless masses have unanswered questions.

Claymoremind | Sat, 2008-01-12 15:26

Dr.P says many good things, but asking me to have faith in a politician, from a 'party' that has murdered millions, that is not much different from the other party that murdered millions; iS LiKE asking me if i'm dumb enough to follow the devil.

He says exactly what we want to hear, EVEN the zionists who were no doubt the ones applauding! Maybe it was the alex_zones propaganda crew!

Do you think he'll tell the truth after he's elected?

Sigh..

Grim Reaper | Sat, 2008-01-12 16:19

RP comes off very well, another typical lying politician, promise the world, just a pity the zio-joos already own it and wouldn't share.

Ognir | Sat, 2008-01-12 17:18

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