"Jews Drank Blood"

So says a history prof from Bar Ilan University in his new book.

The Zionists are going to go ballistic. :)
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Giving Proof To Blood Libel?


Roots of Antisemitism Dug Up (AP)

According to a new book by history professor Ariel Toaff, medieval Jews not only sacrificed Christian children, they also used their blood as an ingredient in baking matzo (unleavened bread). In Bloody Passovers: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murders, Toaff, son of Rabbi Elio Toaff, describes "the mutilation and crucification of a two-year-old boy to recreate Christ's execution at Pesach" near the northern Italian city of Trento. Not surprisingly his allegations have outraged quite a few people in Italy and across the world including 12 of Italy's chief Rabbis who stated in response "the only blood spilled in these stories was that of so many innocent Jews, massacred on account of unjust and infamous accusations."

Toaff, a professor at Bar Illan University, near Tel Aviv, bases his claims on confessions "extracted by torture" during a "medieval trial" in 1475. Suffice to say, this might not be the most reliable source, and even Toaff only goes so far as to say the accusations "might have been true." Still, for centuries, this so-called "Blood Libel" has been used as an excuse for the segregation and annihilation of Jews, which is why people are in such an uproar over the new book. What seems to have been forgotten in the shuffle though is that Toaff is describing a "deviant sect" of fanatics some 500 years ago -- a time when all types of brutal behavior (NAFW) took place. And even if there is some truth to his claims, to consider them indicative of an entire religion would be like believing the Branch Davidians are representative of all Christians. Admitting that these events may have taken place and examining the evidence empirically is not anti-Semitic; however, believing they provide justification for centuries of genocide is.

By Emil Steiner | February 8, 2007; 11:29 AM ET | Category: OFF/beat Politics

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The ADL tentacle of the Israel Lobby slithers out in response to the Washington Post story, "Did Jews Drink Blood?"

I think Mr. Kosher Nostra is cheesed.

:)

mparent7777 | Fri, 2007-02-09 04:09

I just couldn't resist a little 'experiment', to see how many sentences of Foxman's press release I had to read before he hauled out his sacred cudgel and maul, the phrase, "CONSPIRACY THEORY". What ho ! He actually REFRAINED for TWO (2) WHOLE PARAGRAPHS, before giving in to his irrepressible downward urge. I could feel a palpable splash as he urinated his shopworn phrase all over paragraph 3 and 4. Ah, well, my little experiment was fun while it lasted. Maybe if little St. Simon of Trent had lasted long enough to tell his story, we would know much more about the little "experiment" they did on him .

quasimodo | Fri, 2007-02-09 07:16

Found at travel blog:

Scary bread in Thailand

Inside a dark room, realistic-looking "human body parts" are stacked on shelves and hanging on meat hooks. The place looks like a mortuary or the lair of a serial killer, but in fact, it's a bakery. What appears to be putrefying body parts are the bread sculptures of 28-year-old art student Kittiwat Unarrom from Potharam, Thailand.

According to him "When people see the bread, they don't want to eat it. But when they taste it, it's just normal bread," he said. "The lesson is 'don't judge just by outer appearances.'"

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT AHEAD, LIKE A HORROR MOVIE F/X SET...

Breads composed of human anatomy

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And they might as well provide funding to morally-challenged wine-making chemists and experts to develop the wine that taste like sparkling rosso red spumante yet resemble crimson human blood with some dose of human victims' blood mixed in.

I've imagined (but not yet written as a yet-unaccomplished scriptwriter) the scenario with the handsome caucasian male hostage victim (abducted by a ruthless millionaire gay Zionist Mafia thug leader almost entirely covered in white cast from the burning incident) whose profession is homicide detective being gagged with the rubber ball held tight by the leather buckle fastener and bound to the ancient dentist's chair as he is forced to witness the numerous invited older dining quests of both genders & Khazar Jewry descent sit at the long rare wood dining table to feast on what looks like the butchered, roasted & cooked to medium rare the human bodies of white youthful victims(which turns out to be fake -- ordered from Thai artist paid hundreds of thousands in fund to meet the client's demand as described above) and laughing heartily at the terrified hostage at the end of the table.

The atmosphere is enlightening yet oppressive with the arrays of brightly burning candles instead of common electric lighting (a la Kubrick's Barry Lyndon in great indoors cinematography) to set the mood right for the guests to remember the good times centuries prior while still inspiring strange terror from the outsider's perspective.

It would be part of the subplot story entitled "The Devil's Children" in the tense 'Homicide: Life on the Street/The Wire'-esque mystery thriller graphic novel.

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My blog Last Throes of US Empire

Nepos Libertas | Sat, 2007-02-10 09:09

Nepos Libertas ! Don't give up on your screenwriting, buddy ! It's a little rough around the edges, but definitely has great commercial potential. I just sent an open letter to France the other night which I thought was a serious piece of writing, but it was a complete dud. The only one who replied to it was Qrswave, and she thought it was "funny"! But I thought you might be able to use some of the following to "flesh out" your story a little better, what with your matzoh body parts and all. Although I have a hunch you've already seen this, the last frame, with the "dinner" table in the French "Illuminati Chateau" looks like it would fit right in to your script. I just could'nt resist. Let me know how you like your "goyim veal", medium or rare- http://www.judicial-inc.biz/Bl.ood_or_cannibal.htm
Is Blood Libel Really A Form Of Cannibalism

quasimodo | Sat, 2007-02-10 09:51

from Haaretz

The author of a book on the use of blood by Jews in Ashkenazi communities in the Middle Ages said Sunday, in the face of the furor its publication aroused, "I will not give up my devotion to the truth and academic freedom even if the world crucifies me."

MonkeyZerg | Mon, 2007-02-12 16:42

This story about the veridicity of the Jews' Blood Libel is exciting. Because all nasty legends have a basis of truth.
Take the case of the accusations by Christians in medieval Europe that the Jews poisoned the wells to spread the Black Death which reduced Western Europe's population by 1/3 in the 1350s. The Zionist Yoke's censorship would have it that that too was only legend, nasty criminal rumors spread by the Gentiles just to have an excuse to persecute the Jews. But was it true?
Look at a map of the maximum spread of the Black Death. Beyond the Carpathians, Eastern Europe was spared of the plague. Poland-Lithuania was untouched, yet the contagion begun at its doorstep, at Crimea's seaport towns - at the time controlled by the genoese jewish-merchant families (the Ghisolfi and others). These seaports were attacked by the impinging Tartar (mongolian) hordes and to break resistence the Mongols threw cadavers of their men died of the plague inside the towns' walls. Some cadavers (and their infected fleas) landed inside the genoese ships too. Later, covertly or overtly, the rats on these ships landed in Genoa and spread the plague in Western Europe.
So, covertly or overtly, willingly or unwillingly the Turanians and the Genoese Jews were responsible for causing the Black Death. Legend has always a basis of truth!

history_worm | Mon, 2007-02-12 17:40

This story is just amazing, for I read the book 'The Popes against the Jews' by David Kertzer and sympathized with the (I assumed) Sephardi Jews of Italy for having been persecuted for this 'nonsense' Blood Libel over the centuries. I read of Simonino's martyrdom and believed it was a Catholic lie.
But read the Jerusalem Post's coverage of the Prof. Toaff's Blood Libel scandal once again and more carefully:
"A minority of fundamentalist Ashkenazis...carried out human sacrifices," Luzzatto continued.
Sooooooooo! The perpetrators were Turanians, Ashkenazis once more! Adherents to the kabbalist sect of the Sabbateans/Frankists, which became so popular amongst the Fake Jews of Eastern Europe and Turkey.
Toaff refers to kabbalistic descriptions of the therapeutic uses of blood and asserts that "a black market flourished on both sides of the Alps, with Jewish merchants selling human blood, complete with rabbinic certification of the product - kosher blood."
My G-d, this stuff is serious! Is this book going to get printed in the UK, US?

history_worm | Mon, 2007-02-12 19:44
mparent7777 | Tue, 2007-02-13 02:43

The Zionists are going bananas over the "blood libel"deal.

The blood thing is used by Zionists to gain sympathy by claiming it as anti-semitism, woe is us, Israel needs your money, blah, blah, blah....

Bar-Ilan turning aside pressure to fire author of blood libel book

mparent7777 | Tue, 2007-02-13 20:29
mparent7777 | Thu, 2007-02-15 00:44

hey marc !, Funny how this story has "gotten into your blood". Here's a piece from Yahoo today ( Fri ) that follows your Haaretz article. I also find it rather funny that history worm thought this whole flap was about MONEY, to hype sales of the book. Well it sure didn't take very long for the usual suspects to cash in this time. Those "early proceeds" might turn out to be a hefty little note, judging from initial world reaction. So I can't help but wonder if Prof. Toaff is making that ADL check out directly to Foxman. Just shows to go ya, there's more than one way to bleed somebody dry. ........................................................................... .....Scholar Pulls Book Revisiting Blood Libel

Says Press Distorted His Work, Pledges Proceeds to ADL

Gabriel Sanders | Fri. Feb 16, 2007

After unleashing a torrent of criticism both in his native Italy and around the globe, an Israeli professor has ordered his publisher to halt distribution of a new book that suggests a possible historical basis for the centuries-old charge that Jews murdered Christians and used their blood for ritual purposes.

Ariel Toaff, a professor of medieval and Renaissance history at Israel's Bar Ilan University, said in a February 14 statement that, while he stands by his research, he is recalling the book, "Pasque di Sangue" ("Bloody Passovers"), in order to reframe those sections of it that he feels have been misunderstood by readers and mischaracterized in the press. To further allay criticism, Toaff promised to donate any money he may have earned from book's early sales to the Anti-Defamation League, which only days before had condemned the scholar.

Though Toaff's move appears to have quieted the ADL and Bar Ilan — both of which said they were "satisfied" by the professor's defense of his work — many scholars, in both the Jewish world and beyond, continue to question the historian's methods and conclusions.

The controversy was set into motion February 6, two days before the book's official release, when the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera ran an enthusiastic review by Sergio Luzzatto, a professor of modern European history at the University of Turin. The review, which Toaff has since singled out as the leading factor in prompting the uproar, ran under the heading: "Ariel Toaff's Disconcerting Revelation: The Myth of Human Sacrifice Is Not Just an Antisemitic Lie."

According to Luzzatto, Toaff's "courageous" book argues that some Christian children, or "perhaps even many," were killed by fundamentalist Ashkenazic Jews between 1100 and 1500. Furthermore, Luzzatto has Toaff describing unleavened bread baked with dried blood possibly taken from murdered Christian children.

Though it is now clear that the review was in many ways at odds with Toaff's actual findings, it nevertheless set the tone for the discussion that followed — including a swift and ferocious critical backlash.

Italy's rabbis — who for a half-century were led by the professor's father, Elio Toaff — issued a statement saying that, "No precept nor custom on the ritual use of human blood ever existed in the Jewish tradition. On the contrary,such use is simply deemed horrific…. The only blood that was shed was that of the many innocents Jews that were massacred because of this unjust and heinous accusation."

After briefly employing a wait-and-see attitude and defending its professor's academic freedom, Bar Ilan soon changed its position. Expressing "serious reservations" about the book, a university spokesman said that "senior officials and researchers condemned in the past and condemn today any attempt to justify the awful blood libels against the Jewish people."

Meanwhile, in New York, Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said in a statement: "It is incredible that anyone, much less an Israeli historian, would give legitimacy to the baseless blood libel accusation that has been the source of much suffering and attacks against Jews historically."

As the furor gained momentum — including calls from some quarters that Toaff be removed from his post at Bar Ilan — the professor struggled to defuse the situation. Though he said in early interviews that ritual murders "might have taken place," he later said that he does not believe that they did and that saying otherwise was, in The Jerusalem Post's words, an "ironic academic provocation."

Determining the true thrust of Toaff's thesis has not been easy. The book was just released a few days ago, and only in Italy. It has not been translated, and few experts in the field have had the chance read it. Repeated attempts by the Forward to reach Toaff were unsuccessful. Nevertheless, in published interviews and newspaper accounts, the broad outlines of the author's thinking have begun to emerge.

The book reportedly rests on the premise that from the time of the first Crusade in 1096 onward, certain Ashkenazic fundamentalists may have engaged, not in ritual slaughter, but in religiously inflected revenge killings prompted by persecution and forced conversion. Toaff writes in his book's introduction that such acts may have been "instinctive, visceral, virulent actions and reactions, in which innocent and unknowing children became victims of the love of God and of vengeance."

In supporting his claim, Toaff draws from the confessions extracted from the 16 Jews accused of murdering the 2-year-old Simon of Trent in 1475. Though the confessions have long been regarded as historically suspect, Toaff has defended them as potentially viable sources.

"I found there were statements and parts of the testimony that were not part of the Christian culture of the judges, and they could not have been invented or added by them. They were components appearing in prayers known from the [Jewish] prayer book," he told Ha'aretz.

Toaff has argued that certain revenge killings, coupled with the use of dried blood for medicinal purposes — a "real craze" in Germany at the time, he told Ha'aretz — could have helped to fuel the blood libel myth.

Though news of Toaff's thesis has been met with skepticism in the academic world, scholars have, nevertheless, been quick to point out that Toaff is not the only medieval Jewish historian to have cast a critical eye on the version of history in which Jews emerge blameless in the face of the blood libel charge.

"To understand Professor Toaff's book, we have to take at least one step back," said Adam Mintz, the rabbi at New York's Kehilat Rayim Ahuvim. In taking this step, Mintz, who is also a visiting lecturer in Jewish history at Queens College of the City University of New York, pointed to the work of Israel Yuval, a historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Yuval himself caused an uproar with an article he published in 1993 in the Israeli journal Zion. As with Toaff, Yuval's study began with the first Crusade, when German Jews were faced with a choice between conversion and death. Not only did some Jews choose to die rather than be baptized, but in some cases they killed their children as well. Yuval's innovation was to suggest that, in seeing these killings, Christians may have come to believe that it was their own children who were being killed.

The year after Yuval's article was published, the same journal devoted a double issue to his thesis in which it was attacked by five different scholars. What the critics took issue with, Mintz said, "was the suggestion that the Jews somehow brought the blood libel upon themselves. It was as though Yuval had said that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves."

Yuval, whose book "Two Nations in Your Womb: Perceptions of Jews and Christians in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages" was just released in English last year, said he has followed the Toaff affair with great interest. Asked if he felt any kinship with the beleaguered Toaff, he demurred. "Having myself been persecuted doesn't make me any more sympathetic to Toaff's theories," he said. "I think they are untrue."

Yuval acknowledged surface similarities between his work and Toaff's, but what he stressed were the essential differences. "My point of departure was that the blood libel was a lie, a misunderstanding, something that never happened," he said. "What he did was go one step further: He took the fiction and made it into a reality."

Echoing Yuval's sentiment was Anna Foa, a professor of history at Rome's La Sapienza University who wrote a stinging critique of the Toaff book in the newspaper La Repubblica on the day the title was released.

"This is not a history book," she later told the Forward. "It's a novel."

quasimodo | Sat, 2007-02-17 09:36

IMHO, the whole subject is outrageous (whether or not it is true) and not very productive (though, some people will differ with me).

If it's not true, it's certainly outrageous that Jews have to suffer through this type of outrageous charge, as invariably all Jews are tainted with the crime (whether or not logically, they should be).

And even if it IS true of some Jews in the distant past, unless there is evidence that some person or persons alive today continues to engage in it, it serves more as an issue that stirs up needless academic controversy.

Of course, I agree that everyone is entitled to research whatever subject they hold dear or are interested in (and certainly, if one of my ancestors had allegedly fallen victim to this type of deranged practice, I would want to know about it).

But, barring those two scenarios (that it's actually happening today, or that someone who has an intense personal interest in it wants to know what happened), it doesn't appear to be too helpful to modern political discourse, which is chock full of its own VERIFIABLE atrocities committed by Jewish supremacists.

It does work like a charm, however, to get people to sympathize with Jews, simply by the pure outrageousness of the charge.

The instinctive reasoning goes: What kind of monster would do such a inhuman thing? And if no one would, what kind of monster would accuse another of doing such a thing?

qrswave | Sat, 2007-02-17 17:36

Q.......Your points are well taken, from a literal point of view. My real concern in this matter is from a more existential point of view, and continues to be an ever present concern in light of any historical evidence, mythical or otherwise, that would tend to bear it out. I see no distinction whatsoever, other than possibly a ritualistic, or "religious" one, between the historical accounts, - ( which are far more well documented than Prof. Toaff would ever allow us to believe, being the son of a Rabbi, and caving, from the outset, on his "academic" principles ), and the following "unbelievable" practice, which has become increasingly more well documented, as our present milieu - and intellectual and spiritual malaise, wears on. See the following with discretion, but I forward it only as an attempt to clarify my position on the entire controversy as being one of much more than mere passing interest of a conjectural nature. I believe it is high time that we should become aware, that through a very sick and twisted ideology, or an inbred hatred, much of humanity is being perceived as mere animals, to be treated as such. The following reveals why EVERYONE alive should be concerned about even the very POSSIBILITY that something of this nature could actually go on right before our blinded eyes. I submit it regretfully, scroll down with caution. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:bsq8V2LH_1wJ:www.voicesofpalestine....
Israeli crimes in broad day light

quasimodo | Sun, 2007-02-18 00:57

The way this saga of Ariel Toaff's blood libel book ended (note the Italian text: NON DISPONIBILE, book NOT AVAILABLE) is both comical and at the same time menacing for the Gentiles. Yes, Quasimodo, I did insinuate that the fuss was all in order that Toaff could make more bucks out of his book (and some of Haaretz' commentators had the very same idea too), and you're right in saying that - oh, look - in the end the money from this operation ends up in the capable coffers of Foxman's ADL.
But there's more to this, in view of the recent news of conviction to 5 years imprisonment in Germany of Ernst Zundel for his Holocaust negationism. Yes: nobody dare say the 'Jews' committed abominable acts of ritual murder against the Christians, and nobody dare say the (Christian) Nazis DID NOT commit abominable acts of genocide against the 'Jews' either. In other words, the 'Jews' have always and only been VICTIMS. This is a dictatorship, a true and complete new Turanian Yoke.
Yet, although I've not read Toaff's book of course, some basis of truth in these blood libel argumentations must exist. Apparently, a catholic priest by the name don Curzio Nitoglia had come out with very similar conclusions before Prof. Toaff on the blood libel issue. It was probably all true, though limited to a sect of fanatical sabbatean/frankist Ashkenazi (Fake) Jews.
Those who managed to buy Toaff's book can soon sell their copies for many thousands bucks.

history_worm | Mon, 2007-02-19 21:35

history worm; Here's the latest juicy tidbit. It seems, somewhat like you said, that the antidote might be worse than the disease. ( I wonder how well their Inquisition for Ahmadinejad's Incitement to Genocide is going, as well )... But this report seems to indicate that Toaff's promissory note to Foxman wasn't quite enough to call off the dogs:

from Florida Jewish News -03/02/07

Knesset members seek trial of blood libel author

Israeli lawmakers suggested putting on trial an Italian-Israeli author who wrote that European blood libels against the Jews had a legitimate basis. In a Knesset Education Committee meeting Monday, lawmakers demanded that the state prosecute Bar Ilan University professor Ariel Toaff, who argues in his book "Bloody Passovers: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murders" that medieval accusations that Jews used Christian blood for religious rites may have been based on a rabbinical edict allowing the use of dried blood for medicinal purposes. Committee Chairman Michael Melchior said Toaff has caused "damage to the Jewish people and to the nation of Israel," The Jerusalem Post reported. Due to the controversy that ensued since its release, Toaff suspended the book’s publication and promised to donate its proceeds to the Anti-Defamation League.

quasimodo | Fri, 2007-03-02 23:46

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