Did Hezbollah Thwart a Bush/Olmert Attack on Beirut?
A Sudden Case of Cold Feet
Did Hezbollah Thwart a Bush/Olmert Attack on Beirut?
By FRANKLIN LAMB
This week Israel's Military Intelligence Chief, Major General Amos Yadlin complained to the Israeli daily Haaretz that "Hezbollah proved that it was the strongest power in Lebanon... stronger than the Lebanese and it had wanted to take the government it could have done it," He said Hezbollah, continued to pose a "significant" threat to Israel as its rockets could reach a large part of Israeli territory."
Yadlin was putting it mildly.
But what Intelligence Chief Yadlin did not reveal to the Israeli public was just how "significant" but also "immediate" the Hezbollah threat was on May 11. Nor was he willing to divulge the fact that he received information via US and French channels that if the planned attack on Lebanon's capitol went forward that Tel Aviv was subject, in the view of the US intelligence community to "approximately 600 Hezbollah rockets in the first 24 hours in retaliation and at least that number on the following day".
The Israeli Intel Chief also declined to reveal that despite Israel's recent psyche-war camping about various claimed missile shields "the State of Israel is perfecting", that this claim is being ridiculed at the Pentagon. "Israel will not achieve an effective shield against the current generation of rockets, even assuming no technological improvements in the current rockets aimed at it, for another 20 years. And that assumes the US will continue to fund their research and development for the hoped for shields" according to Pentagon, US Senate Intelligence Committee, and very well informed Lebanese sources.
The planned attack on Beirut
According to US Senate Intelligence Committee sources, the Bush administration initially green lighted the intended May 11 Israel 'demonstration of solidarity with the pro-Bush administration militias, some with which Israel has maintained ties since the days of Bashir Gemayal and Ariel Sharon.
In the end, "the Bush administration got cold feet", a Congressional source revealed. So did Israel.
Israel was not willing to proceed with the original Bush Administration idea which was to have Bush attend the May 15 Israel anniversary celebrations following the Israeli attack meant to hit Hezbollah hard, and give Bush the credit for coming to the dangerous region. The message was to be that Bush comes to the rescue 'on horseback and leads the US Calvary charge straight out of a B western movie where the bugle would sound and flag would be unfurled and the white hat good guys would show their stuff before riding into the sunset and back to Texas, leaving the results to the likely Obama administration to sort out.
The plan involved Israeli air strikes on South and West Beirut in support of forces it was assured would be able to surprise and resist Hezbollah and sustain a powerful offensive for 48 hours.
Also presumably disturbing to Israel was the report it received that Hezbollah "had once again in all probability hacked its "secure" military intelligence communications and the fear that the information would be shared with others.
The Hezbollah rout of the militias in West Beirut plus the fear of retaliation on Tel Aviv, ruining 60th anniversary celebrations, forced cancellation of the supportive attack.
Israel limited its actions to sending two F-15's and two F-16's into as far North as Tyre, one more of literally hundreds of violations of Lebanese airspace, sovereignty and SCR 1701.
Clearly frustrated, Cabinet Minister Meir Sheetrit said Israel should not yet take any action now, but warned" those things could change if Hezbollah takes over Lebanon." a few minutes earlier he had declared that Hezbollah had done just that and had treated the Lebanese army as a doormat.
Later in the Sunday cabinet meeting, Minister Ami Ayalon called for an emergency meeting of the political-security cabinet to discuss "the ongoing crisis in Lebanon and why Israel was not assisting friendly forces."
Minister Yitzhak Cohen (Shas) said that "Israel must immediately ask the [United Nations] Security Council to hold renewed discussions over resolution 1701." The minister was referring to the resolution that stopped the Israeli actions against Lebanon during the 34-day between in 2006, maintaining a fragile cease-fire.
Finally Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert informed Israeli supporters in Lebanon, through the media, and presumbly other means that" Israel was following the violence in Lebanon closely, but would refrain from intervening. Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai told Army Radio Sunday that Israel was prepared for the possibility that the situation in Lebanon will deteriorate into another civil war (meaning future opportunities for Israeli influence and interventon in Lebanon) and that the current fighting could end with a Hezbollah takeover of the government. "We need to keep our eyes peeled and be especially sensitive regarding all that is happening there," Vilnai told Army Radio.
The Bush administration, also disappointed, switched tactics and is opting for domination of the narrative of the fairly complicated events of the past week and using their media and confessional allies to launch a media blitz (minus Future TV for a few days} to flood the airways with:
· Hezbollah staged a coup d'état. Even Israel, if not the Bush administration, concedes Hezbollah has no interest in taking over the Government. (One observer, paraphrasing Winston Churchill's comment, deadpanned, "Some Hezbollah Coup! Some Hezbollah Etat!")
· Hezbollah brought it forces from the South and occupied West Beirut: Hezbollah not only did not bring their forces from the South to Beirut (rather they remained on alert for an Israel attack down South)
· Hezbollah broke its pledge not to use Resistance arms against Lebanese militias and shot up West Beirut.
The facts are very different when viewed close up on the streets here.
When the Lebanese Resistance took the decision during the early hours of Friday morning to engage in civil disobedience, it delayed its actions so as not to preempt the Labor movement strike for higher wages which it supported. When the marching Strikers were prevented from moving into West Beirut the Opposition extended its civil disobedience manifestation.
Various militias, including the smartly outfitted Hariri "Secure Plus" with its distinctive maroon tee-shirts and beige trousers, (now know locally by some as "Secure Minus") a hoped for future Blackwater operation in Lebanon disintegrated surprisingly quickly because many of its green recruits brought down from Tripoli felt misled and betrayed regarding their job description as they were handed weapons an instructed to fight Hezbollah. Snipers from anti-Opposition factions killed civilians from rooftops in Beirut trying to ignite a civil war.
Hezbollah, acting in self defense, according to various officials, quickly clamped down on the trouble makers, took control of the streets, within hours handed them over to the army, and virtually evacuated West Beirut, retaining one position near Bay Rocks manned by unarmed representatives.
Meanwhile the Hariri influence has been greatly weekend in Akkar near the Palestinian Refugee camp of Nahr al Bared and in the Tripoli area. According to some political analysts, including, Fida'a Ittani, a regular columnist for the independent pro-opposition newspaper Al-Akhbar, wrote on May 14, the Future Movement, defeated in Beirut, no longer has any serious influence in the north.
Several Salafi al Qaeda admiring movements are present in Lebanon and like Fatah Islam's declaration this week that they will fight for the Sunnis, they vary in their attitudes from silent opposition to Future leader Saad Al-Hariri to fully supporting him as the leader of the Sunnis. These groups are valued by certain 'leaders' in Lebanon because are the only ones with coherent structures at the ideological, political, technical, and field levels.
Judging from Saad Hariri's confused statements at his subsequent news conference and statements by other parties, the bitterness of promised but unforthcoming assistance was evident.
For two days following the debacle of his forces imploding the head of the Future Movement said nothing. Finally on the 14th he broke his silence. The Halba massacre, committed by Hariri's Mustakbal militiamen which brutally and barbarically murdered 11 people from the opposition did not seem worthy of discussion as he spoke. In a press conference on Tuesday, Hariri simply ignored what all the Lebanese had seen on TV from weapons, ammunition and alcohol found in Future movement offices, and instead listed a series of delusions. "We awaited an open war on Israel, and yet here is an open war on Beirut and its people" he stated. Some interpreted this rather odd statement either as a subconscious slip of the tongue on Hariri's part expressing his frustration that the Israelis help did not arrive or that his reported earlier incoherent state persisted.
Hariri's original speech was so confused that the Saudi channel al-Arabiyya stopped broadcasting it and only read excerpts from what he said, without showing his recorded speech.
When American criticism resumed, and Hezbollah fighters withdrew from the alleys surrounding his house, Hariri was urged to stand up and speak again, this time with a stronger tone, saying "This has been decided by the Iranian and Syrian regimes that wanted to play a political game in Lebanon's streets. For us nothing has changed. We will not negotiate with someone having a pistol pointed to our heads."
Anger at the Bush administration and Israel by certain warlords in Lebanon must feel much like the frustration of Secure Minus personal who rushed from Tripoli and felt misled, abandoned and cheated.
..if the 'army of God' wasn't there to stop the zooites,
Lebanon would be part of greater azrael right now, and the last 2006 bombing campaign would have been against Syria. They might possibly have been occupied as well, and WWIII already started.
What happed to the 'soldiers shoot Quran' blog?
Too much huh?
Sick.
Thinking about this CIA black op, it reminds me of Crystal Night which was ALSO a black op, committed by Communist agents (probably some or many Jewish) within and outside Germany (see Ingrid Weckert's Flashpoint!)
Additionally, while Judicial Inc used to try and imply that Mahmoud was Zionist or Zio-compliant, I disagree. The CIA and Jewry would never be bent on the destruction of a Zio-compliant or Zio-friendly regime. A house divided against itself cannot stand. It makes MORE SENSE that Mahmoud's regime must be removed in order to put a Zio-compliant leader and regime in there, just as was done in Germany some 65 years ago. Again, Zionist-controlled America and Britain would not have taken down a Zio-friendly regime then, and the same principle applies today.
This then makes me wonder how some people can cheer for, and believe in, Hezbollah, since it is responsible (whether intentionally or not) for the near-complete destruction of Lebanon and the deaths of many thousands (recently). Why don't they blame and condemn Hezbollah for allowing this to happen, for not doing everything in their power to maintain peace? These people that cheer Nasrallah and Hezbollah condemn the NS Germans. Why? I fail to see a fundamental difference between the two, other than the Germans being capable of seeking the enemy outside their national boundaries and thwarting a massive invasion of some 183 Soviet divisions amassed for offensive war in Poland (see Hoffmann's Stalin's War of Extermination and Suvorov's Icebreaker). If Hezbollah had had the ability to cross into Israel and slap it there, or in Jordan (a Zio-friendly state), would that have been worse or somehow condemnable? I certainly don't think so.
If Mahmoud gets attacked, it's America's fault, not his. Who really cares if he wants nuclear weapons...it's an insurance policy against Zionist bullying and invasion. That is NOT a legitimate reason to wage war. It will be an unjust war, unlike Hezbollah's just war.
Lastly, Iran sells Israel oil. So, in a way, Mahmoud could be seen to be possibly financing his own future demise and the destruction of his people. Yet, there is a lot of support for Mahmoud too. (I like him and think he has anti-Zionist intentions myself).
Furthermore, who's funding Iran's regime? Which banks, and who controls them? Does it really matter in the first place? I happen to think the banksters only care about money, not necessarily who it comes from or for what intents and purposes. They are that unscrupulous.
Lastly, some people on here are saying that the fact that history books and the Jewish media are so against the "Nazis", well, that implies that they are really for the Nazis (these people think Nazis are pro-Jewish, etc.). If that's the case, then we may apply that same inanity to Mahmoud and Hezbollah--the media and books are only portraying them as staunchly anti-Israel in order to trick us into supporting them (Mahmoud and Hezbollah that is). This is nuts and makes no sense to me. Why would Jewry or the Zionist movement do that? How does it serve their interests? They would want us against them, not for them.
..mahmoud? nazis? no.. i said something entirely different.
..hezbollah, although a powerful guerilla force, does not have the machinery to pull off an invasion of azrael, nor have they gone offensive thus far.
..bigot? LOL!! what bounces off me sticks to you!
You write:
This then makes me wonder how some people can cheer for, and believe in, Hezbollah, since it is responsible (whether intentionally or not) for the near-complete destruction of Lebanon and the deaths of many thousands (recently). Why don't they blame and condemn Hezbollah for allowing this to happen, for not doing everything in their power to maintain peace?
What a load of crap. This is pure 100% Zionist propaganda and you know it... Most likely, you didn't watch live what was happening in Beirut then, but we could from the Arab world. Hezbollah took over Beirut in a few very quick hours and gave it over to the Lebanese military. 4 people died in the process. All the rest of the people died when the militias of Saad el Hariri and Jumblaat went down to the street and it wasn't even in Beirut!! It was mainly in Tripoly where the Hariri militias went to fight fellow Sunnis... because Hezbollah is non existant in the North of Lebanon. So, Hariri who is crying that Hezbollah did this and that is a little shit, because he is the one who had his militias kill fellow Sunnis and all this is on tape for all to see. The other "battle" was in the mountain when Jumblat's people committed a horrific crime again 3 hezbollah people which they kidnapped, cut their hands and legs off and took their eyes out. Jumblat appologized and agreed to go to trial himself for those crime as they were committed by his men. All the forces in the mountain agreed to give their weapons to the Lebanese army, except for Jumblat.. He refused, and that should tell you something.
In over 60 deaths, Hezbollah was only involved (and prefer to say present) in 4. The rest were all killed while Hezbollah were not even there.
Conclusion: What you are saying is pure zionist propaganda. The real 'coup' the Israelis and Americans aim to achieve is to stick to Hezbollah the complete lie that they used their weapons in Beirut. The whole zionist campaign is to keep repeating that Hezbollah used it weapons against the Lebanese which is total rubbish, When the various TV station speak of Hezbollah's take-over, they NEVER show footage from the actual take over. They show footage of battles that Hezbollah was not party to.... so that people like yourself can say what you said with so much conviction. Don't you find it ridiculous that the force that is responsible for the security of Lebanon "will invade it". The sentence itself is stupid. Hezbollah is in Beirut already. After all, many of Hezbollah's members are Lebanese from Beirut.
As for you questioning the sincerity of Hezbollah and Ahmadinjad being staunchly anti-Israeli, you can be sure that they are.
This is the Man!!!
"As for you questioning the sincerity of Hezbollah and Ahmadinjad being staunchly anti-Israeli, you can be sure that they are."
Yeah, WELL SO WERE HITLER AND THE NAZIS!!! (so don't even use the term "Nazi" in a derogatory way or I'll slam your boys in like fashion, which was the whole POINT of my post). The Nazis were anti-Jewish and not pro-Zionist, and that was the whole point of my post, which was not directed at you (rather, it was aimed at Grim, SS, and CoZ specifically).
SIEG 'FUCKING' HEIL MY BOYS!
..what about all the Jewish and mischlinge officers? Face it, the sides were alot more corrupt, and the issue much more hairy than you seem to realise. You have made many false statements. This blog is about Hezbollah's thwarting of the ZOOS.
Hitler sent them to die in a fucking war, Grim. They largely volunteered because they cared about Germany, or didn't want to be rounded up and/or deported, but to label their dying on the Eastern Front as a clear sign of Hitler's 'love' for them is dumber that shyt. You can take that little attempted bitch-slap and cram it.
Why don't you just stop replying to my comments? You just can't let it go can ya? You're a damned anti-Germanite and I revile you and your views about my people.
anti-Americanism
anti-Semitism
..huh?
..he sent his whole army out to kill or be killed, ya 'tard.
Hezbollah thwarted the ZOO=AMALEK from taking over Lebanon, and thus their planned takeover of Syria as well.
Since you arrived EOWN, half the threads here have morphed into discussions about Hitler and ancient history. You've also condoned violence - which is not what we're about and which could cause serious trouble for this website - and deleted whole threads from the permanent record, which is a real waste of time and effort.
The reason you and Grim keep arguing is because you keep bringing up the same subject. It's the same conflict, over and over.
Discussions about WW2 and Hitler are fine, but it's not relevant to this thread. If an Elvis Presley fan burst onto the scene and started raving on about him ad nauseum it'd be just as boring.
In the other thread, you wrote:
When I challenged you to provide evidence for that assertion (everything we say here is on the permanent record and easy enough to retrieve) and asked you not to mischaracterise me and my beliefs, you replied with another mischaracterisation:
Firstly, I'm not anti-National Socialism, which I thoroughly explained in one of the threads that you deleted. I'm not anti-Nazi, or anti-Hitler. Secondly, grouping everyone together in your mind and failing to be able to distinguish between one poster and another is a major cognitive defect. You'll have to be a bit smarter than that. This website is a theater of war, and you're spraying us all with the same 9mm bullets. We're supposed to be on the same side.
It wasn't me that said Hitler was a Zionist stooge and a Jew, it was Nobodaddy/Nonesuch101, and ShootingSparks wrote that supporting Nazism is supporting Zionism. Don't misquote me again, it's seriously uncool.
Cheers.
All Ehud is doing is making everyone understand how the zionist jews are tearing down Nasrallah, tearing down Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, tearing down Chavez, the zionist jews have even torn down their own: Arthur Koestler, Benjamin H. Freedman, Jack Bernstein and so many more....oh yes, even Norman Finkelstein.
All Ehud has been doing all along is making a point. And it is a good point. A very good point.
NOT ONCE ..not EVER will anyone ever see a post or comment of mine in all of the history of WUFYS where I speak of the word NAZI in derogatory fashion. I don't use NAZI at all. You will never see a comment of mine or post about HITLER in any derogatory fashion.
I refuse to buy into the zionist jewish media stories and propaganda filth which invites us to continually bash Hitler and Nazis forever, infinite - quite a distraction I must say.
There is something wrong there. Something very profoundly wrong. I think Hitler and the Nazis are a huge cover [ a brilliant cover ] to keep the attention of ordinary masses away from what really happened in WW2 and WW1. And it has been working brilliantly.
Hezbollah, Hamas, Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad, Chavez [and many others I cannot think of for the moment] are excellent covers the media spews out to hide what the neocon cabal are up to in the Middle East.
Otherwise America would not send her children on an insane ride to Afghanistan and Iraq so that there children can come home destroyed/broken/spiritless.
Ehud makes valuable points. She is not anti-Hezbollah at all.
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She even mentioned that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quite good-looking and I absolutely agree. He is a handsome man.
:)
I just noticed Ehud has done it again, above:
Is this stupidity or an attempt to enrage me? Either way, it's stupid.
On the 19th of May Ehud reads and responds to my request not to mischaracterise my argument, and the next day - 20th of May - she's still suggesting to others that I believe the Nazis were pro-Jewish in threads that I haven't even posted in. This is utterly ridiculous.
I'm gonna have to ask you to just leave my name out of your posts altogether EOWN, because you don't seem to get it.
Rhiannon, it's immaterial whether or not EOWN's point is valid. Bringing it up in every thread is just spamming, and it's irritating. It would be the same if the subject was something else - even Elvis Presley. ;p
She's repeating herself continuously, and making herself out to be a one-issue act, a puppy that can do only one trick, and it's boring.
The reason why I am open to your views about Germany - Hitler - the Nazis is that my dad would talk to about WW2 when I was a teenager. I would come home and tell him about the holoco$$$t films we had to see in history class.
We never saw films about the slaughter and mass starvation of the Ukranians.
We never learned of the mass genocide of German Christians done by zionists.
And no one in any high school across North America would ever learn of the vicious loss of land and life in Palestine orchestrated by the irgun -stern european jewish gangs.
No student in high school would ever learn the names: Warburg - Rothschild - Lansky - Untermeyer - Brandeis and so on.
My father would tell me of the horrific crimes sharon and begin [at very young ages] used to commit in Palestine. But people in America only know them as "heroic" leaders of a "little country" surrounded by hostile Arabs.
The Arabs really didn't care about what kind of man Hitler was because they were seeing first hand what was happening to them with those boatloads of european jews brazenly entering Palestine [and illegally] from the early 1900s and on up to '48 and thereafter.
The situation and what the Arabs were witnessing with increasing alarm was terrifying in the least. And the world was kept from knowing the truth. Besides who cared about a bunch of Palestinians?
And of course, the Middle Eastern Jews that lived among the Christians and Muslims peacefully in Palestine became sufficiently alarmed and terrified of these violent / obnoxious / aggressive european "jews" swarming in by the boat loads.
You echo almost exactly the sentiments of what my father and my cousin [my cousin is extremely well-read in all things German] have talked about.
It would be interesting if HistoryWorm would show up. He is also extremely well-read in such events of the 2 World Wars.
And of course there is AZ who is quite authentic and intense in his study of Germany. AZ comments and posts are no contradiction and never have been.
I remember watching one of my favorite movies: Fatal Vision, based on a true story about Jeffrey MacDonald who murdered his wife and two little girls.
Everything -- script-wise, that is -- is going fine until the scene in the lawyer's office where Jeffrey MacDonald loses it and screams how the prosecuter is a "NAZI! A NAZI!"
That's quite a scene. Even though the prosecuter is the good guy and puts the evil Jeffrey in jail forever, the audience is once again branded with this term on their brains like it is the worst thing you can call someone.
I wouldn't have a problem with it except WHY must it always be used??? Even IF the character - in real life - used it.....this is another example of brainwashing. And by whom?
What really turns me off and makes me angry?
During the COWARDLY mass-murdering and cluster-bombing of South Lebanon of all those children, mothers and fathers - DEFENSELESS btw - all of a sudden the holocast stories pop up on TV. It's jewish/israeli sob-story time!
israelis in their teens, twenties and early 30s talking of the holocast horror stories. Networks show these interviews periodically. They don't show Lebanon's dead and the sordid destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure anymore. OH NO! That was stopped within the first week or two. What a creative way to bully, yes?
Are Arabs living in North America THAT stoooopid?
If that bit of disgusting nonsense cannot wake up Arab people in North America, I don't know what will.
spare me the rhetoric and self-righteousness 'kookstick of zion.' Your reply is flat out 'tittyballs' material here. You say all I talk about is Der Fuehrer. All you talk about is Jewry. Are you a tad obsessed? Sorry my major is History with an emphasis in German history, poopstick. Try not to get all in a huff. My grandfather was pure Polish, so it's not as though I am TOTALLY biased in favor of the Germans.
If you don't condone violence, cozy, what would you do if someone assaulted you or your girlfriend....let him rape your woman and cut you up? Geez.
I would hope you'd at least fight back if a foreign army invaded the US and starting raping and tearing up your people like the Russian vermin did there in Europe. Thousands upon thousands of German and even Jewish-German womyn were viciously gang-raped by the creatures of Judeo-Bolshevism's hordes.
Try reading a bit about Ilya Ehrenburg, a racist, blood-lusting Judeo-Bolshevik. NOTHING Goebbels produced comes anywhere near this Jewish filth and hatred...nothing.
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The Gas Chambers: Truth or Lie? An interview of Dr. R. Faurisson (2 parts)
I've pasted the article below. I can e-mail you the password, but I'm loath to post it on a blog.
Thanks for the links.
I appreciate those.
Your argument will go a long way, and sound so much better if you would not resort to "poopstick" towards COZ and refer to Grim as a bigot - [I can honestly tell you that Grim is no such thing] -and especially go on about his d**k and what he can do with it.
[THAT'S right! I am using asterisks!]
Because, Ehud, it really does serve no purpose. You are much further ahead to stick to the focal points of your argument - as you have loads of knowledge / info - please don't dilute it so in your frustration..
I don't mean to be condescending if you think I am.
I am just tired of w i n c i n g.
Plus, I have a lot of respect for these bloggers.
or have you an alterior motive?
NONE OF US denied the true things you are saying, yet you did make some untrue statements about us and about Hezbollah, including insults, that have nothing to do with your obsession with nazis.
YOU are the one yelling nazi nazi all the time, maybe youhud, should take Rhiannon's advice.
heh.. NAZOOD AMELEKITE.
LOL...I thought you said "poopstick" when you said "kookstick".
STILL! [that isn't what I think it is, is it???]
[Sigh].....that's it...I am turning in!
d&!
I just wanted to quote you on that, to show you how silly you are. Poopyhead.
A couple of days ago you were saying I was afraid of the word 'Jew'. Now you're saying I'm obsessed with Jewry. That's tittyballs.
This post is about Hezbollah, yet Ehud has transformed it to be about her favorite subjects… Jews & Hitler. Why? What an earth does Hezbollah have to do with Hitler and WWII? Nothing.
How can you tell me Rhiannon that Ehud is a supporter of Hezbollah when she comes up with the following statement which not only displays clear resentment to say the least, but also clear lack of knowledge of what is happening in Lebanon.
Ehud says: “ This then makes me wonder how some people can cheer for, and believe in, Hezbollah, since it is responsible (whether intentionally or not) for the near-complete destruction of Lebanon and the deaths of many thousands (recently). Why don't they blame and condemn Hezbollah for allowing this to happen, for not doing everything in their power to maintain peace?”
Hezbollah responsible for the near-complete destruction of Lebanon???? What utter nonesense is this??? This is pure zionist propaganda... and it wouldn't be the first time that Ehud resorts to zionist propaganda in her writings... Imagine accusing the very force that defends Lebanon's sovereignty, of being responsible for its "near-complete destruction"?! Is there a more zionist accusation to make against Hezbollah?? For those who don't know, when the Israeli army failed to get rid of Hezbollah militarily in the 2006 war... and shifted to trying to get rid of it in a political way. Nasrallah clearly told the Israelis that If they though that they would achieve politically what they failed to achieve militarily in 2006, they were sorely mistaken. The campaign to portray Hezbollah as a 'wrong-doer' is a purely zionist/US campaign and only Hezbollah enemies participate in it.
Ehud than goes on to say: “These people that cheer Nasrallah and Hezbollah condemn the NS Germans. Why?”
Who is even thinking of the Germans??
Ehud continues: “ I fail to see a fundamental difference between the two, other than the Germans being capable of seeking the enemy outside their national boundaries and thwarting a massive invasion of some 183 Soviet divisions amassed for offensive war in Poland (see Hoffmann's Stalin's War of Extermination and Suvorov's Icebreaker)”
Where is this question coming from? What does it have to do with Hezbollah?
Why is Ehud comparing between Germany, Nazis, Jews and Hezbollah and why is she drawing Germany and Hitler into Lebanese politics? This business of sticking Hitler everywhere is suffocating.
Why is Ehud attacking Hezbollah? At least, she should explain... and the answer should be about Lebanon, not Germany.
Cherifa, what happened to Germany in both world wars and in between is not much different to what is happening in Palestine. The only difference is Germany's children are not getting murdered anymore, TODAY. While Palestine still sufferes the onslaught of a holocaust in slow motion.
Who are the culprits, the poison, the underlying root cancer cause of both countries?
zionist jews.
What happened to Germany is connected to Palestine. Germany and Palestine are indeed linked together for all time; the past has always become the present: different language, different leaders, different peoples of ethnicity, of religion, SAME barbaric parasitic monsters that leeched Germany [and still do today, actually] - that are leeching Palestine - forever since the early 1900s and today, that are leeching the USA.
zionist jews.
You really cannot understand Palestine's history without what happened in Europe. They are connected.
The same poison that befell other European countries befell Palestine and Lebanon and Iraq and so on.
The jews had it good in Germany. They became extremely wealthy in Germany. Then the jews stabbed Germany in the back and ruined the economy. The elite jews in power played nice for awhile but with an agenda in mind.
It's not much different with the Perpetual Bogus Peace Talks between Palestinian / Syrian / Lebanese leaders with israeli leaders. It's a joke. The zionists play nice for the world to see, then they stab the Arabs in the back, but THIS the world does not see.
Just like a lot of the world doesn't know the truth about what really happened to Germany.
.....the zionist jews have done all their cancer mutations behind closed doors, by proxy, behind the curtain, by using others through bribes and blackmail, etc etc....
I think the Germans waited too long to see the kind of threat they had in their midst.
Same thing with the Arabs in early Palestine - but the Arabs were more trusting and much weaker.
AZ, HistoryWorm, and a few others could tell you much better than I.
Ehud could tell you, especially, if she will explain it as simply as she can.
Yes Rhiannon, history is written by the winners. We know that.
My birth is connected to me scratching my elbow this morning. Everything is connected in a vast intricate web of time and space in this splendid universe. So what?
Why are you baiting EOWN to transform this thread about Hezbollah into a discussion about Hitler and WW2? She could write a blog of her own about that, rather than flip like a gymnast in a convoluted attempt to link Hitler to Hezbollah. The fact is, EOWN doesn't want to talk about Hezbollah, only Hitler. By the looks of it, she doesn't know much about Hezbollah.
Should we talk about WW2 in all the other threads too, when there are more appropriate talking points? It's pretty simple, Rhiannon.
and your birth, and the scratching is quite a lousy comparison to the connections of Palestine, the Baflour Declaration, the european jews claim to be descendants of the biblical Israelites....therefore they "deserve" Palestine and much more.. to Hitler seeing through their game to Hitler trying to free Germany of the POISON the same poison that has invaded the Middle East which Hezbollah and Hamas and their supporters have been contending with.
Really....it's pretty simple.
Why are you so uptight about my conversation with Ehud and the answer that I gave Cherifa?
Ehud, not knowing all the historical details of Hezbollah, is insignifant as she understands clearly the spirit of Hezbollah, why they fight, who they fight. She gets enough.
Why are YOU baiting people here on the blog to have them believe that Ehud is anti-Hezbollah, when in fact she is not.
Just because she tried her hand at some satire and sarcasm with some people here- not successfully - doesn't mean that she doesn't know what she is talking about...... she just didn't get her points across successfully.
As for connections!
I have said that the ultra rich Arabians of the UAE and Saudi Arabia are hardly connected with the dead bodies of USA/Canadian soldiers coming home and the Living Dead USA/Canadian soldiers who go home. But the jewish elite neocons are indeed connected - entrenched deeply - to the war veteran misery.
There are some connections and there are no connections.
Don't start on this "universe thing" and try to dilute what I am saying.
This thread has actually not been transformed into anything ridiculous as you seem to imply. Ehud has put out some interesting information.
COZ..you don't have to read it if it bothers you so.
And you will notice that I just put a comment on Grim Reaper's thread. And LO and BEHOLD! Hitler is mentioned at the end of the video. WHY? Why is Hitler mentioned in this video? Why is it that everytime we see the violence and sickness that is "israel" - founded on european/american jewish lies - their sob story must end with Hitler and the Holoco$t? ***Why does rapist Roman Polanski mention the holoco$t while he is interviewed by Sawyer? ***Why was the Holoco$t brought up regularly on the news when "israel" was massacring over 1,200 men, women, and children in South Lebanon '06? ***Is it okay for these israeli jews to continually commit genocide against Arabs since the 30s and on through today because of what Hitler did to them? Does that make any sense? If Hitler was so bad, so evil, so horrible then why won't the jews let researchers check for ovens and ashes at the death camps? Why did Irving and Zundel get locked up for committing a crime called RESEARCH? After 9/11, in early 2002, the IOF massacred Jenin. Bloodshed the israeli army denied committing...then WHY didn't they let the Red Cross, Reporters, Peace Activists, and other Humanitarian organizations go into Jenin to aid the people who had been invaded viciously and without reason or provocation by the israeli terrorist army? If the israeli army didn't do what the Palestinians said they did...what does "israel's" army have to hide? Weeks went by before they let any foreign help into Jenin. The israeli army had to cover their mess and hide the bodies, yes? Shades of Sabra and Shatila 20 years before.
about Hezbollah you would know EXACTLY where I stand. Same to COZ.
of writing there, EOWN. You do appear to have a decent understanding of Hezbollah after all.
Yes, Hezbollah started as a Shi'ite movement but it's more a socio-political movement now, and has no plans to create an Islamic Shi'ite state. It's not feasible for Lebanon, and Hezbollah knows that. All religions are tolerated, all that matters is defending Lebanon from the threat of Zionism, and the welfare of the Lebanese people. Hezbollah is an inspiration in a million different ways.
Though you gave a prolonged answer Ehud, you didn’t answer the main question I had asked you: Why were you attacking Hezbollah? Reading your last post, one wouldn’t imagined that earlier on, you viciously lashed out at the Hezb since you have now changed your tune are being quite complimentary. Nevertheless, my question still stands: Why did you attack Hezbollah by saying the following:
“This then makes me wonder how some people can cheer for, and believe in, Hezbollah, since it is responsible (whether intentionally or not) for the near-complete destruction of Lebanon and the deaths of many thousands (recently). Why don't they blame and condemn Hezbollah for allowing this to happen, for not doing everything in their power to maintain peace?”
Comparing Hiltler’s SS with Hezbollah is ludicrous and I won’t even get into the details of that. I also suggests lack of knowledge about Hezbollah. Many organizations around the world are ‘friendly’ and perform social services but that hardly means that they share similar philosophies or goals.
“Hezbollah is doing the same thing. They sincerely believe that they are defending the self-determination and freedom of not only the Lebanese people, but more importantly, the Palestinian Arabs, Syrians, and Iranians.”
Hezbollah primarily are a resistance movement defending the sovereignty of Lebanon from Israeli occupation. Palestinians come second but are a prime objective. Syrian sovereignty is not on Hezbollah’s agenda… and Iran already is a sovereign nation. Your mentioning that Hezbollah believes that it is fighting for the self determination of “most importantly the Syrians and Iranians” is incorrect especially that the Iranians already enjoy fully self-determination in their country. Furthermore, by definition, all Palestinians are Arabs. There are no Palestinian Iranians or Palestinian Africans etc…
“This is remarkable, in that the world has not seen a multinational militia with this level of popularity, power, divine-inspiration, and triumphant nationalism, since the fall of Hitler and Germany.”
Hezbollah is not a militia. Again I will point out to you Ehud that you use Zionist language because only Zionists insist on referring to Hezbollah as a militia. It is a resistance movement and it probably is the biggest one in the Middle East. And then… who says that Hezbollah is multinational?
“a greater Middle Eastern army..”??
Where does that come from? It has nothing to do with Hezbollah… or the Middle East. Army=government… and Hezbollah does not equals governments of the Middle East.
“National Socialism respected all of the peoples of Europe equally, and all were eventually welcome to join the Waffen SS battle, against the enormous army under Soviet Jewry, just as many different Middle Eastern peoples are welcome to join Hezbollah to fight off the Jewish-Zionist army.”
I won’t address the SS at all because as I said, it is ludicrous to compare them to Hezbollah. They are 2 totally different organizations. Wherever did you get the idea that different Middle Eastern people were welcome to join Hezbollah?? This is not the case at all. They are welcome to support in various ways, but join is another matter. Hezbollah is not a club. It is a national Lebanese resistance movement and its members are Lebanese… and not any Lebanese.
“Hitler’s SS was unique in that the majority of SS warriors were volunteers; many were not even German citizens”.
Well… here you have a clear difference between your beloved Hitler and Hezbollah: Hezbollah members are all Lebanese.
“Hezbollah is a Shi’ite movement, however, they appear to respect Sunnis and Christians. Perhaps they would like to see the Shi’ite Muslim religion as the official state religion, while granting freedom to other religions under this Shi’ite umbrella. I will not be surprised if they continue to practice religious tolerance, once they come into power; however, like Hitler and the Nazi-Sozis, I do not believe that they will tolerate any one minority religious group dictating to the official group, as we see in America today.”
Hezbollah is not just a Shi’ite movement. Hezbollah is a resistance movement… because there are many Shi’ite movements that are not Hezbollah. Hezbollah don’t “appear” to respect Sunnis and Christians. They respect them and your use of the word “appear” sounds strange. Hezbollah does not bother with thinking about “granting freedom to other religions” since that is not Hezbollah’s business. The more I read what you write, the more I realize that you have no idea about Lebanese politics… and therefore no right to compare Hezbollah (which you know nothing about) with the SS. There is no such thing as Shi’ite Muslim religion vs. other religions one of them being the Sunnis. Shi’as and Sunnis are both Muslims who believe in the same holy Quran. The differences between them are so minimal that they are not worth mentioning. The reason a fuss is made about them is because it is politically “a la mode”. For Muslims, Christianity and Judaism are both holy religions and Muslims don’t see themselves as having any right to stop anyone from practicing them.
As for your quote from “Iranian Hezbollah spokesman”, I don’t believe anything coming from Reuters, AP, AFP etc… unless I have heard it from original sources. There is no doubt that Hezbollah has Iranian sponsors, but Hezbollah have their own spokesmen. I don’t know why an Iranian would be speaking for them… unless he was a Lebanese/Iranian and several Shiite Lebanese have intermarried with Iranian Shiites.
“Hezbollah recruits volunteers, just as Hitler’s SA and SS had done, which serves as a direct reflection of the will of the people, as a whole. Citizens of various ethnicities or religions do not volunteer to give their lives for something that is not a grassroots, populist movement.”
Hezbollah does not recruit from any ethnicities and any religions. As I said, this is not a country club.
“In fact, according to Cooper’s report, young girls are encouraged to become part of Hezbollah as nurses or doctors.”
And fighters…
“much like the majority of Germans had openly supported Hitler and his SA/SS.”
So did the Serbs support Milosevic… As I said and keep saying, there is no comparison between Hezbollah and Hitler/SS. This is too funny…
“In fact, both groups—the Nazi-Sozis and Hezbollah—were popularly elected into power.”
You insist… This is comparing Sharon to mother Teresa. They both had national support, didn’t they? Hitler went all the way the Russia to fulfill his ambitions while Hezbollah’s ambitions are mainly to defend Lebanese sovereignty. They haven’t yet stepped out and won’t if Israelis don’t force their luck too far. What astonishes me in all this is that Rhiannon is going for this extremely strange ‘logic’ of comparing Hitler and the SS to Hezbollah.
About Charisma: here I will agree with you.
“Nasrallah, like Hitler, has declared war against Jewry and Zionism, which is certainly understandable”
Incorrect. Nasrallah never declared war against Jewry. His war is against Zionists. He does speak about Jews simply because here in the Middle East, we don’t have this phobia of ‘anti-Semitism’ that the Jews have created in the West. We speak about Jews as openly as we speak about Muslims or Christians. Besides, the Jews who created the “anti-Semitic” bill aren’t even Semites… but Americans fall for anything.
“I guess we could sort of conclude that Nasrallah is the “Hitler” of the Middle East…|