... what have you guys been up to? Someone point out the most important stories of the past few weeks, I doubt I'll have time to read everything.

Keep up the good work!

Brilliant!

Finally, the truth comes out.

Zionists cannot escape from their past.

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please look into it. Then you see that the Ashkanazi tribe has been "returning" to a place they have never been to.

There is absolutely no link between them and the biblical Israelites. That is all a big LIE.

Way wrong, this so called "star of David" is not Jewish, is not Khzrian ... this symbol predates both cultures by thousands of years.

This symbol was found on many Dacian / Thracian atrifacts that are dated to 5,000-6,000 years.

Same thing with the popular belief that the Summarian Sanskrit is the first alphabet and recorded language. Numerous Dacian artifacts with clear alphabet that more resembles the latin letters than the triangles in Sanskit.

where are you???

I'm so confused!

:)

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i am not sure what significance the symbol had in Dacian culture ... we all know about the male/female/fertility anology ...

but the Dacians that precided the Jews in Monotheism ... by having Zomolxis as their sole god could have had that symbol as a religious one too, who knows ... i do not know enough about them, but i know that much

oooh ... and the swastika is also found in the same caves and artifacts as the "star of david" ... 5,000-6,000 years ago.

The historian goes with the easiest explanation. It's stale. It's old. IT'S A LIE.

As well, Mr. Icke continues to concentrate on the negative, and presents it over and over, instead of now presenting the other side, and blanacing it. The information he gives, then,is depressing,and seems hopeless. People get tired of it - and gravitate away from this. He forgets that this is a world of dualities, that is the law here. Dark - light; night - day; men - women; bad - good. There is no getting away for it.

So. If there is "evil" - which is actually an Unbalanced Force - the Reps and such - then there are also, other Forces representing the opposite.

AND THEY A R E here, right NOW. Working to bring back balance.

The Forces of Balance - Ma'at- have been here for millennia - and taught us and still teach us. The Blue Star is older than Solomon - who used it as his "logo."

It is the Blue Star of Shiva - the symbol of Energy.

The triangle - superimposed on another triangle means "As Above So Below. An intent to" "Let Love be on Earth as it is in "Heaven."

And also, the ultraviolet blue color of the Star is the side of the electromagnetic spectrum where the radio activity is beneficial - healing (the red side is harmful radio activity [energy]).

The Ancient knew this - and we have just found it out in medical science where now the blue laser is used.

Also, the triangle shape comes to points where energy is contained and can be used for healing. Science has also discovered this.

So the Blue Star symbol contains all this information-all in one shape and color.

You either believe in One True God or you believe in symbols.

Jews can't have it both ways.

The crescent, btw, is not a symbol of Islam. Although, I don't know the history behind it.

Islam is simply submission to the One True God - following His Decree of purity and brotherhood among men (and women).

Islam prohibits idolatry, and symbolism is a form of idolatry.

Money, btw, is a symbol.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

If Prince Sviatoslav could defeat the Kazars, we can do it as well!

Why should we be discouraged by being called anti-Sionists, when these people themselves have nothing to do with the Holy Land?

Their acts are thoroughly unholy, as spelled out very clearly in the verses from the Revelations as stated above. Read them yourselves!

New:

I gave the explanation for the Star - what does it have to do with now, your additional msg of "the One True God - idolatry and money?

How did we get into that? Are you telling us that you're a monotheist?

So what? Does that make you "gooder?"

There are other ways of acknowledging the Great Mind, after all.

Monotheism isn't the "cat's meow. Never was, never will be.

What has Judaism (pharasicism) got to show for 3000 years worth of existence?

What has paulist (saul) christianity got to show for 2000 years?

of acknowledging the One True God?

Latching on to a land that you've never set foot in before, raising the 'star of david' as your emblem, and slaughtering the indigenous people to satisfy your egos???

Tell me - is that how zionists 'pray' to their 'G-d?'

By PREYING on the rest of humanity???

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Sviatoslav I of Kiev (ca 972 AD) did defeat the wretched Khazars, who had converted to Judaism at some point in the early 9th century, by which point they were using the hexagram.

Of course, other cultures used the hexagram as well. Many cultures used the swastika too, as “Kaos42_ze” noted.

I agree with “MonkeyZerg” that the Magen David only became universally 'Jewish' in the 19th century when the Zionist maggots adopted it as their national symbol. There is no archaeological evidence that the hexagram was used in Palestine during BCE—at least, not on a shield or coin. (The menorah was used, however.)

The crescent also was used by many cultures throughout the world. It was the symbol of the Greco-Roman goddess Diana, for example. The Sassanian Empire (Iran) used it as their symbol. When the Arabs conquered the Sassanians (651 CE) they gradually adopted the symbol for political reasons, not religious. Later the Ottomans used it, but not for religious reasons. The crescent only became a universal symbol of Islam in modern times, with the formation of Muslim states.

By the way, regarding that statue in the photo, the Wikipedia Zionists deny that Ashkenazis have any connection with the Khazars at all! (Why am I not surprised?)

As always, the Zionist maggots think we’re too stupid to see through their lies. Medical science has formally classified congenital diseases shared by Ashkenazis by tracing them back to Eastern Europe and Khazaria. Indeed, when a person wants to marry an Ashkenazi Jew, doctors recommend that the Jew have a blood test (Ashkenazi Jewish Genetic Panel) to check for potential problems.

For Ashkenazi-specific diseases, see http://healthlink.uhseast.com/library/healthguide/en-us/illnesscondition...

Also http://www.bumc.bu.edu/Dept/Content.aspx?PageID=2194&DepartmentID=118

There is also “Meyenburg-Altherr-Uehlinger syndrome,” otherwise known as “Ashkenazi syndrome.” See http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/1695.html

BOTTOM LINE: this was a great post. That statue is excellent.

We’ll build another one like it when Israel is annihilated.
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P.S. to “Kaos42_ze," I'm confused by your initial comments. Dacia (i.e., Romania and Moldova) only goes back to about the first half of the 2nd century BC under king Oroles. The Dacians fought with the Romans several times. Babylonian cuneiform, however, goes back to the Sumerians during the Uruk IV period, ca. 3,200 BC.

Sanskrit is a language of India, not Babylonia. Its formal grammar goes back to the 5th century BC. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.

It's a hexagram.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

The Khazars were Jews by the time Prince Sviatoslav defeated them, but the symbol on the statue is merely a hexagram. I've seen it on ancient Greek shields as well.

Zionists invented the “star of David.”

The menorah, however, is distinctly Jewish, and has been used as a Jewish symbol for 2,000 years.

It's not a Star of David?

Then tell that to the author of the article.

People call it that - and others insists on giving it the name they want, a "hexagram." Doesn't matter.

As to "what other way of worshiping God."

Come on, fellow. Look around you.

Are you now thinking of going out in the world and disparaging every other religion?

-Hinduism ( oh, well now, it's really, Bramaism, eh?
-Taoism
-Shintoism
-Buddhism
-Sikhism
-Native American beliefs
-Wiccan
and other Pagans and Polytheists

Go right ahead and have a wild time - 'cause it aint gonna matter to them. And you can't do anything about it.

Can you! Can you!

And while you seethe, we will be having wild parties- with drumming - barefoot - in the woods -like Mardi Gras and May Poles in the woods.

And while you seethe, we will be having wild parties- with drumming - barefoot - in the woods -like Mardi Gras and May Poles in the woods.

You're an idiot.

I don't give a shit what you do with your life or what zionists do with theirs. They can all kill themselves for all I care.

But, when it comes to harming others - THEY WILL PAY THE PRICE - their beloved SYMBOL, notwithstanding.

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Ya know illat,

really what you are is a slithering and slimy little zionist punk.

How many times have I come across the likes of you who, every now and then, love to pull that crap about other religions - that long list you just made?

Dozens of times.

You know darn well that no one here is saying anything against these faiths or beliefs, pagan, atheist, agnostic or otherwise. Naturally, a creep like you comes along and creates content which isn't there - nor here for that matter.

No one on this website disrespects any religion or non-religion.

You're playing games like a little zionist snot. The growing hostility in your sequential posts give you away. Zionists always do this. They come on blogsites trying to be so "wise" so "all knowing" so "calm" - yet the veneer is quite thin. Your vile manner is showing quite clearly.

Smells like Zionist fecal 'spirit' to me.

Say, QRS, could this be one of the "wizards" of OZ?

QRS, I believe you conjured up one of them foul zio-nazi-ashken-KHAZAR robots with that Wizard of Oz post.

Tee!

... and no one pointed out the past weeks' top stories :P

Kaos42: you may very well be right that the hexagram predates khazaria and judaism, all I was doing was pointing out that khazars used it, and later Zionists used it as their national symbol. I hope I'm not 'way wrong' there.

allat_1: thanks for sharing the more mystical aspects of the symbol. Even if I don't believe in these aspects, ancient people probably did, as well as Kabbalists, so from that point of view its relevant.

Made Brani: Encouraging words :)

AZ: as always, great insight. Truly there's no other ethnic group like the ashkenazis when it comes to genetic diseases. They've married within their group for centuries in the belief that they are 'Jews'. Marriage out of the tribe was discouraged by their Rabbin for religious reasons. This is now changing as many go secular.

QRSWave: incidentally, the star of David IS a hexagram, by Judaic definition. Of coarse a Christian or a Muslim won't support that there is such a thing as ANY 'Star of David', because there's no evidence for it in the Old Testament or Qur'an.

And AZ, I think you're right in saying that the Khazars were Jewish (in tradition) when defeated by Prince Sviatoslav. If the hexagram was imported from Judaism (I don't have much evidence for this) then that is only more proof that the Khazars were judaized. (as opposed to already having the hexagram).

I said this so many times -- So-called "jews" (aka Crypto-jews, false-jews, fake-jews, AshkeNAZI, KhaZars, Turanians, etc) are NOT SEMITIC.

It's good to see the Truth is getting out!

;)

Good News Indeed.

The only true Jews are the Neturei Karta. And any Jew that is strongly opposed to Israel and Zionism. These Jews, regardless of their origins, geographically, embrace the true spirit of the faith.

<<< anti-zionism

sorry i typed the post in a hurry at work.

i have a book at home with many Dacian artifacts that are BC 6,000+ and have the six pointed star adn swastika

can i direct you HERE for now till i find the detailed pictures i have in mind.

Alphabet BC 10,000 - 15,000 ( Romania )

Sorry about the sanskrit remark, it is just something in my language that we reffer to unknown text and i though it might be the same in english but i guess not.

back to the star ...

please note these figures for now till i find the others

Female with breasts and downward pointing triangle on her pelvis.

Brest feeding mother with child that also has a downward pointing triangle on "her" pelvis.

You guys are so lame...

1) The Khazars converted to Judaism - it is no wonder that there were Jewish symbols used.

2) "The earliest archaeological evidence for the Jewish use of the symbol comes from an inscription attributed to Joshua ben Asayahu in late 7th century BCE Sidon." (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_david)

Now the question is, is this an honest mistake, or do you have some sort of political agenda? (That was a rhetorical question, by the way. We all know the answer.)

'Proud Zionist' please read below for the 'lame' points.

I'll sumarize it for you if you're too lazy to read for yourself:

1) Khazars converted to Judaism around 9th Century.

2) Modern day "jews" are 'far-south eastern Europeans', NOT SEMITIC. I.e. this whole hoopla about "returning" the their "homeland" is BULLSHIT!

Hope that helps!

;)

Please let us know if you have any other 'questions'.....

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Whoa, a lot of responses...

... and no one pointed out the past weeks' top stories :P

Kaos42: you may very well be right that the hexagram predates khazaria and judaism, all I was doing was pointing out that khazars used it, and later Zionists used it as their national symbol. I hope I'm not 'way wrong' there.

allat_1: thanks for sharing the more mystical aspects of the symbol. Even if I don't believe in these aspects, ancient people probably did, as well as Kabbalists, so from that point of view its relevant.

Made Brani: Encouraging words :)

AZ: as always, great insight. Truly there's no other ethnic group like the ashkenazis when it comes to genetic diseases. They've married within their group for centuries in the belief that they are 'Jews'. Marriage out of the tribe was discouraged by their Rabbin for religious reasons. This is now changing as many go secular.

QRSWave: incidentally, the star of David IS a hexagram, by Judaic definition. Of coarse a Christian or a Muslim won't support that there is such a thing as ANY 'Star of David', because there's no evidence for it in the Old Testament or Qur'an.

And AZ, I think you're right in saying that the Khazars were Jewish (in tradition) when defeated by Prince Sviatoslav. If the hexagram was imported from Judaism (I don't have much evidence for this) then that is only more proof that the Khazars were judaized. (as opposed to already having the hexagram).
MonkeyZerg | Wed, 2007-02-28 23:11
Finally EVERYONE understands!!!

I said this so many times -- So-called "jews" (aka Crypto-jews, false-jews, fake-jews, AshkeNAZI, KhaZars, Turanians, etc) are NOT SEMITIC.

It's good to see the Truth is getting out!

;)

Good News Indeed.
The Great Revealer | Wed, 2007-02-28 23:33

I have another question for you, thank you for being so generous in offering me your false education.

My question is: What do you think about the DNA tests showing a distinct genetic marker upon the Y Chromosome of Jewish Kohanim all over the world - from Europe to Africa? What do you think about the genetic tests showing MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGIN in the majority of European Jews? Are these all fakes created by the Zionists to serve their cause?

Secondly, why have you forgotten about the Sephardic Jews? I myself am a Persian Jew, and am about as far from "Eastern European" as it gets.

Tell you, do you derive some sort of pleasure from spreading your filthy lies?

Hi everyone, I was traveling and only now get back to see this, possibly amazing, document by Michel Hoffman. Sorry to say, however, that it would be too good to be true.
First of all, if you look at Michel Hoffman's website you will note that the photo in question has no reference/link to it. Where did Hoffman find it? It looks like the photo of a brand new statue and one might suspect it was only recently forged.
Moreover, the way the 'Rus Prince Svyatoslav is depicted in this statue is highly suspicious. He is mounted on a horse, but looks like a typical Cossack: bare torso, shaved head with the characteristic single strand of long hair left hanging. The would-be Khazar soldier with the six-pointed Star of David on his shield is also wearing a very peculiar, rounded helmet, not the type (a bit mongol-like, conical) that was found by archeologists like Artamanov who have dug up khazar remains in the steppes.
So, I think what we are seeing is a recently forget statuette made up by some ukrainian nationalists who wanted to represent their vision of Khazaria's defeat the way they see it. Indeed, the Cossacks (who are however a mixed folk, part turkik and part slavic) were in the XV-IXX Century the armed wing of the young ukrainian nation, whilst Prince Svyatoslav was a swedish-slavic leader (like his name says plainly, Svyatho-Slov) probably looking completely different from his ukrainian portraits. There is a painting of Svyatoslav by Lebedev (himself Ashkenazi) wrongly depicting the 'Rus Prince also as a cossack warrior.
Alas, the Star of David was not to my knowledge a khazar symbol - however, it was adopted by some semi-legendary judaised khazar leader (David Al-Roy) as a symbol of the crusade he organised in the XII Century to 'recapture' the Holy Land (which had belonged to his nation only in its collective imagination). Benjamin Disraeli wrote a novel about this Al-Roy.
Instead, since you like symbolism, I can tell you as a preview of a blog I'd like to post but I just can't find the time to compose, that both the coat-of-arms and the surname of the Rothschild family of bankers are completely of khazar origin! Bare with me and I shall prove it to you.

Zionist "KhaZar", please show me this legendary DNA marker on this 'Y-chromosome' that is "proves" self-proclaimed WHITE jews are MIDDLE-EASTERN BROWN people?!!

What "proof" do you have?!!!

Any "reliable" sources?!!!

BY THE WAY, I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT GENETICS AND HOW IT WORKS ---- so think twice before you attempt to pull a 'fast one' over me. Or is it you believe this DNA crap without any decent understanding of Genetics?!

And another thing, there are "Persian jews" as there are "Arab jews", and I'm sure somewhere around the world there are "Chinese jews" and "Negro jews" and there's even a slight possibility there are "Space-Martian jews" (since we can't rule out that possibility).

;)

It just goes to show you that, yes there are people of other 'races' and ethnic groups who follow the Judaism/Zionism/Talmud/etc.

But the point is the VAST MAJORITY of 'Crypto-jews' are NOT SEMITIC.... i.e. NOT ARAB.

Sure, Khazars is "pretty close" to the Middle East ---- but keep in mind they are separated by a mountain range ---- also Europe, especially Africa (i.e. Egypt), India, China are ALSO "PRETTY CLOSE" to the middle east.

The point is the human race is in reality a single race, there are differences, however very minor.

I doubt very much you can "prove" this so-called marker on some Y-chromosome "proves" jews are middle-eastern (as explained above).

Hope that makes sense?!

If it doesn't, I don't have the time OR the inclination to give you a thorough education is biochemistry & genetics ---- that would take a 'normal' University/College student 4-8 years......

;)

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My question is: What do you think about the DNA tests showing a distinct genetic marker upon the Y Chromosome of Jewish Kohanim all over the world - from Europe to Africa? What do you think about the genetic tests showing MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGIN in the majority of European Jews? Are these all fakes created by the Zionists to serve their cause?

Secondly, why have you forgotten about the Sephardic Jews? I myself am a Persian Jew, and am about as far from "Eastern European" as it gets.

Hey, I only just saw this last comment by the ProudJewishZionist!
I'm very excited: finally, finally a real Zionist to challenge our views and contentions that the Ashkenazis are Khazars.
You ask a very good question:
My question is: What do you think about the DNA tests showing a distinct genetic marker upon the Y Chromosome of Jewish Kohanim all over the world - from Europe to Africa? What do you think about the genetic tests showing MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGIN in the majority of European Jews? Are these all fakes created by the Zionists to serve their cause?
YES! Those genetic studies are all CRAP. Pure crap created by Zionists to confuse the issue and discredit, if not invalidate completely, Koestler's contention.
First of all, these studies are statistical population genetic-markers analyses conducted on very tiny and selectively chosen population samples. As you know, in statistics the errorbars are of order root(N), where N is the sample's size, and in the studies you mention N and root(N) are of the same order. So, the results of these analyses are meaningless. In fact, a first study concluded that Ashkenazi and Middle Eastern Jews are patrilinearly related, a second one concluded that they are matrilinearly UNRELATED, a third one concluded that the Ashkenazis descend genetically from ONLY FOUR mothers, etc. One study concluded that the Ashkenazis and the Ottoman Turks are matrilinearly related, even. So, look: this is not serious science! It's impossible to unravel such a complex genetic admixture in populations by looking at the frequency of markers of some tiny and carefully selected population samples! Have the turkik Chuvash, Tatars, the finnic Mordwinians, Maris etc. etc. been screened in these studies? NO. So, please leave a pseudo-science like statistical genetics outside this issue of proving Koestler wrong.
Besides, what matters are not genes, rather tribal bondage, tribal links and customs and traditions. Also, the historical development of nations. To me, from these points of view, the Ashkenazis are turkik.
Secondly, why have you forgotten about the Sephardic Jews? I myself am a Persian Jew, and am about as far from "Eastern European" as it gets.
There are indeed Semitic (as opposit to Turkik, or Turanic) Jews, Sephardi and Middle Eastern Jews. They are a tiny component of world Jewry, maybe about 800.000 to 18.000.000 Ashkenazis. These Semitic Jews were deported by the Ashkenazis from muslim lands in order to sephardize Israel (Marion Woolfson, 'Prophets in Babylon').
As a Persian Jew you could be either Semitic or Turanic, I should know your surname (clan name) to tell.
Tell you, do you derive some sort of pleasure from spreading your filthy lies?
Sorry to have to say, the only liars are you Zionists, maybe many of you are just uninformed, but here we derive pleasure from finding out the truth scientifically.
Keep up the challenge, don't leave.

History_worm you are most likely correct in saying that the statue is a 'more recently' made. Nobody, who knows better, is saying it was made in the 9th century.

However, that doesn't change anything.

It demonstrates that the Ukranians (as well has other European nations of past) have a RECORD --- a living and historical record --- of their encounter with these "bothersome" Khazars.....

..... That the Khazars did invade, which is consistent with why there are many Khazarian "jews" in Eastern Europe (such as Poland, Ukraine), the population gradually migrating to Western Europe (i.e. to Germany, France, then England).

..... That the KhaZars have "associated" themselves with the so-called "Star-of-David".

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Another point:

Linking to "archaelogical artifacts" (real????) showing naked men with huge penis OR women with huge breasts/vagina and breast feeding is NOT UNIQUE.

ALL CULTURES DO THIS.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ancient civilizatins marveled at the "heavenly evening skies" and drew the stars as they saw them.

Since there were not lamps or street lights readily available in ancient times, the Moon and Stars were very important, and visually spectacular.

And when you look at a star with you eyes, you see the "rays" of light "projecting" from them -----

------ SO NATURALLY, PEOPLE DRAW STARS AS POINTY OBJECTS, USUALLY 5-SIDED or 6-SIDED (occasionally more).

SO ANY DIAGRAM OF "STARS" ARE NOT UNIQUELY "JUDAIC", INCLUDING THE "STAR-of-Davidooman".

Heck, the OCCULT AND other "SATANIC" cults also USE the "Star-of-Daviddeeeemeena"

Let's start with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosomal_Aaron

wikipedia.org is Zionist controlled --- it is BIASED and UNRELIABLE --- especially pertaining to matters of KhaZar nature.

As history_worm so nicely EXPLAINED it to you, this is a self-selected biased sample.

Also the "marker", AT LEAST SHOW ME THE DNA SEQUENCE... not just say there is 'such a thing' without showing me this so-called "Unique" sequence --- you want me to do research on it don't ya?!!!

Also, for it to be someone reliable you need to do BOTH:

(1)

DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of self-proclaimed "jews" AND Arabs have this so-called marker.

~ AND ~

(2) DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of "non-jews" DO NOT HAVE THIS MARKER.

I'm repeating this since this is important --- this "pseudo-science" that you "quote" FAILS TO 'PROVE' ANYTHING.

Firstly you need to establish STATISTICALLY REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE that both:

(a) "jews" and arabs have this marker

AND

(b) non-"jews" DO NOT have this marker

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Also, for it to be someone reliable you need to do BOTH:

(1)

DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of self-proclaimed "jews" AND Arabs have this so-called marker.

~ AND ~

(2) DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of "non-jews" DO NOT HAVE THIS MARKER.

The cultivated Ukrainians know full well the Ashkenazis are descendents of the judaised Khazars; however they won't admit that the Cossacks ('Kazakhi' in their language, whilst they call the Khazars 'Hazari', anyone can see it's almost the same name) are ALSO descendents of the (unjudaised) Khazars (+Cumans, or Kipchaks, +Bulghars, +Slavs, etc.). I have written about this issue before. They consider the Cossacks as heros and founders of their nation, so they depict the 'Rus prince Svyatoslav as a Cossack, which is wrong. The cultivated Ukrainians know about the misery inflicted by the judaised Khazars (aka Ashkenazis) on them in the 1920s and 30s: 7 million deaths by provoked famine in Winter 1932-33, another 8 millions pulverised in the gulags (bolshevik Ashkenazi organised).
ProudJewishZionist: try to prove that wrong before you start whining about your mere 6 millions.
As for the Star of David, well it's a symbol used by many cultures of course, but politically it was used, to my knowledge, by the Hebrews and then by the Khazar Al-Roy.
As for statistical genetics, please, please ProudJewishZionist, we all know wikipedia is a Zionists' den, so don't try to confuse the issues with pseudo-science presented as bona-fide research. Theorems and so on are useless when the errorbars are as big as the numbers one is trying to compare!

TGR has made the point clear. Those statistical genetics studies are meaningless. Moreover, they are biased since the 'true' descendants of the Khazars (Chuvash, Maris, Mordwinians, ...) have never been tested in these studies. And the ProudJewishZionist should not forget the other side of his genetic coin, that matrilinearly the East-European and Middle-Eastern Jews have been found NOT to be related. Now, given the matrilinear definition of 'who is a Jew', that is a very serious setback.
However, statistical genetics is not a science, so why continue this discussion. Please stick to historiography and be serious.

1) What reason do you have to believe that Wikipedia is an evil cesspool of Zionist lies? You are the one screeching and wailing for a reliable source at every opportunity... Would you care to provide one for your claims?

2) Could someone please explain the constant reference to "KhaZar", when you are speaking to someone without the slightest bit of European ancestry?

Khazar vs. "Khazar"
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Khazar -- one of Khazar lineage

"Khazar" -- one who acts and thinks like a Khazar

My two pennies worth.

I dont think there is any need for complicated science.

The original tribe of Isreal were dark and Meditranian (with olive skin and dark hair).

The Khazars are white/Turkic. Since the tribe of Isreal did not inter-marry with non jews, it is unlikely that they became white through that route.

So they are Khazars.... a Turkic tribe which converted to Judaism, no doubt about it. All this was well known and admitted by scholars in the 19th century...until the Zionists constructed their bogus history and hid this fact.

Khazars/Zionists ought to sort themselves out...they are heading for a fall, join the human race, shed the BS inhuman ideology of Zionism and become sane.

So they are Khazars.... a Turkic tribe which converted to Judaism, no doubt about it. All this was well known and admitted by scholars in the 19th century...until the Zionists constructed their bogus history and hid this fact.
Well said, leftfield! Indeed, some scholars before the advent of Zionism had already written about Khazars and Ashkenazim. The anthropologist K.Vogt for example. H. vKutschera wrote an excellent book in 1910, which was plagiarised somewhat by Koestler.
It is possible, though, that many non-Semitic Jews have little knowledge of this issue, like 99,99% of the Gentiles. So, we could try to educated them, we don't take any pleasure in spreading any lie here. However, keeping a scholarly and scientific tone does help in making this discussion helpful to everyone.

Nothing is more important for diaspora or non-Israeli Jews - the majority of Jews in the world - than stopping the monster of anti-Semitism from going on the rampage again in the mainly Gentile lands of which they are citizens.

• It was one of them, the American writer Lenni Brenner, who in 1983 made the statement that "Zionism is not now, nor was it ever, co-extensive with either Judaism or the Jewish people."
• And it was another of them, the American diplomat Henry Morgenthau Senior, who said in 1921 that "Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history." He added, "I speak as a Jew!"

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Anti-Semitism: The slaughter of Palestinians, Iraqis, and Lebanese today. All of these people are semetic peoples – that is— if we must get into the nitty gritty of anti-semitism, of which the Zionists created these ridiculous illusions and deviations of the true meaning of the word, anti-semetism. (my own words; everything else comes from Alan Hart)

More than 30 years before Hitler came to power, Zionism's founding fathers decided that waiting for the Messiah to come was not an option. In effect Zionism was to be the Messiah.

To PJZ: YOU [and others like yourself] must begin by recognising modern Israel for what it is - a Zionist state, not a Jewish state. If it was a Jewish state - i.e. one governed in accordance with the moral principles of Judaism - Israel could not have behaved in the way it has since its unilateral declaration of independence in 1948; behaviour which can be described as brutal and cruel, driven for more land and resources - with contempt for UN resolutions, without regard for international law and which, all up, makes a mockery of the moral principles of Judaism.

I give my thanks to Poseidon for offering links to Alan Hart’s books…..

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/115

Dare I ask, WHAT moral principles of Judaism ?

The State of “Israel” has been recognized and legitimized as the representation and embodiment of the Jewish nation; this is patently and totally false. The State of “Israel” is an embodiment of illegitimacy; it is the antithesis of Judaism and can not be the representative of the Jewish People. In fact, the leaders of the Jewish People, who have been and are steadfast in their commitment to the Jewish religion, have always stood in opposition to the creation and to the existence of the State of “Israel”.

The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Rabbi J. Z. Dushinsky of blessed memory, forwarded a memorandum to the Secretary General of the United Nations, in the year 1947 prior to the establishment of the State, imploring the United Nations, not to allow the creation of the so called “Jewish State”.

Neturei Karta

Hello, Quasi.

I don't know what you mean by that question. Are you saying there is absolutely no morality in Judaism? If I am not mistaken, the Talmud is basically a man-made text. A good portion of it is not in keeping with the true message of God. The Torah is mostly inspired by God through its messengers.

I am aware that mistakes made by men back then in practicing the Torah made up a few rules of their own. Hence, the coming of Jesus.

Basically, all the prophets were trying to keep the basic messages of God intact by coming forth and teaching.

The transgressions of men who follow the Torah do so by their own illusions of what they "think" they read and thereby "know".

There are hardly any Israelis who are Jewish and true Torah Jews know that no Jew should reside in Israel. This is just one of the true morality of Jewish law and incidentally, this moral issue follows into Christianity and Islam - but the Christian Zionists and Zionists are deaf dumb and blind to this, - (even some Muslims) - as most of them CHOOSE to be.

Esau I Have Hated... Thank you for your sincere reply to my somewhat ephemeral question. I have always followed your entries with keen interest, largely because of your divergent ideas on many of these matters, with which you seem to be well acquainted. And of course your nom de plume tends to speak volumes. But matters Biblical - and Talmudic, for that matter - tend to be quite easily confounded. So let's take it from the top, as I usually do, being a musician, and not a Biblical scholar.

You say you don't know what I mean by that question, yet you intuitively made a good stab at what I might have actually meant by it. But I'M the one asking YOU the question. I want YOU to tell ME the answer to my question, not just in the affirmative or the negative, but SHOW ME some clear cut demonstrative evidence that Judaism is indeed based on a certain "morality".

You needn't assume at the outset, simply because "I dare ask" such a question, that I am implying there isn't any to be found. Although it does happen to be a fair estimate of my general opinion, the burden of proof, it seems to me, is with you, to just go ahead and prove me wrong, if that is indeed what I think.

If I didn't have a little more than passing familiarity with your writings in the past, then I wouldn't have bothered to ask at all, as it falls on all of us individually to come to our own answers about these things. But I honestly feel that you have much of value to share, and your familiarity with the Bible Believers site is intriguing as well. You also promised to fill us in on some more of these things before, did you not ?

In anticipation of that, I will just fill you in on a few little observations of my own, if you don't mind, and limited to your own reply.

I agree with most everything you stated up until your last paragraph, where I hit a very familiar stumbling block. It gets me every time. Once you speak of the "True Torah Jews" ....... I am in deep trouble. If it is of the Neturei Karta sect that you speak, are you aware that these adherents of the "True Torah" are, by necessity, and in fact, still adherents and practitioners of the Talmud ? Or of any other supposed divergent or fundamental "sect", from Hassidic to Chabad Lubavitch, or whatever. Is not the full interpretation and discourse of their 'True Torah' to be found succinctly in their eternally damnable Talmud ? Answer me, good man, as I seethe with revulsion at the very thought of it!

Another perennial bone in my throat is the endless infernal confustication of Judaism and Christianity, much less Islam. This is FUNDAMENTAL HERESY to any "True Christian", much less "True Muslim", and any conflation of the two into some travesty entitled "Judeo-Christian Law", or "Morality" can only create the cruelest of ironies, in my concerted opinion.

So before I get any more fired up, I will again leave it to you to provide me with at least but ONE iron-clad PROOF of an essential morality ( other than Old Testament justifications ) in a "religion" which incorporates the very oath of falsehood, the Kol Nidre, into it's practice, and which patently preaches and promotes the abject hatred of the rest of "Unchosen" humanity, in it's foul and detestable Talmud. Thank you once again for responding to my innocent little 'question'.

Of course there is still a sect of Jews who keep to the Torah scriptures ONLY, refusing the oral tradition embedded in the evil Talmud. These are the so-called Karaites.
I've just given you one link (look at the pictures of classical-times Karaites and tell me if they don't look turkish), but if you google up the word Karaites you will find dozens links. Karaites existed already at the time of the Khazar conversions (in the plural, because there were actually several waves of conversion), but the East-European Karaites definitely claim two things: 1) they are the ones who convinced the Khazars' khagan to convert to Judaism (through their leader Isaac Sangari), 2) to be of direct descendence from the Khazars and of turkik nationality. Look up the writings of karaite leader Ananias Zayanchkowski (english spelling) to see about these claims, which are however disputed.
Here, I shall give you just two gems about Karaite history. The first is related to the origin of this name: those who refute the khazar origins, claim the name Karaim (it's the Hebrew plural) stands for 'those who read' [the Bible] (the Hebrew word is ???????? - qarayim, 'readers'). But for those who accept the khazar origin (including many Karaites themselves) the name comes from the turkik (khazar-cuman) word 'karay' meaning 'those who sit in the dark'. For the tradition was to sit in the dark on Sabbath day and recite the Torah (with the help of a candle). Since 'kara' is turkish for 'black' or 'dark', it seems more natural to accept the second explanation.
The second gem is about the fate of the Karaites during WW2 and the Nazi invasion of Poland-USSR. Thanks to their turkik nationality status (imprinted in their soviet passport) the Karaites were spared by the Nazis, not even deported, and actually many Ashkenazis avoided deportation by changing their status and turning themselves Karaites. Obviously, the Nazis didn't know a line of history.

Thanks fellas for keeping on topic. I am be-dazzled by everyone's level of knowledge and understanding. Everyone has contributed greatly to making this one of the most (if not the most) INFORMED --- AND --- VARIED website/blog on the Internet.

And to think, it all started off by a 'little Law Student in NYC' who FELT the profound NEED to get the TRUTH out --- and to wake each one of us from our slumber!

From the deepest depths of my heart, THANK YOU QRSWAVE, THANK YOU DEARLY!

It's I who should thank ALL OF YOU for making the last year plus the most productive and enlightening time in my life.

I wouldn't trade it for the world.

This is what being human is all about - SHARING - both our knowledge and our experience, in the spirit of brotherhood and for the benefit of humanity.

I only hope that the site continues to flourish.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

Complete and utter lies and a deliberatelly miscontrued interpretation.

It is a COMMANDMENT FOR EVERY JEW TO LIVE IN ISRAEL. Neturei Karta will and their ilk selectively interpret the Torah and Talmud in order to appeal to people like you.

“You shall clear out the Land and settle in it, for I have given you the Land to occupy it” (Numbers 33:53). Nachmanides as well as other Biblical commentators and Halachic authorities consider this verse a mandatory commandment – obligating every Jew to live in the Land of Israel. This Mitzvah is so significant that the Midrash tells us that this Mitzvah is the equivalent of all other Mitzvot combined!

It is true that the Torah states that the Messiah will gather the Jews to Israel and build the Third Temple, but this is in no way a prohibition on Jews to live in the Land of Israel.

PJZ, you are such a bore with your biblical teachings. It would be like chinese Catholics having an obligation to go and live in Rome, indonesian Muslims to invade Mecca and Medina. Can't you just see that there are 'so-called Jews', 'self-styled Jews', FAKE JEWS we call them here, who have decided they need Palestine as their base for imposing a New World Order? I don't know when you started monitoring our discussions here, but we can prove to you there are bona-fide Semitic Jews who were forced to leave arab lands to go and sephardize Israel (forced by the ashkenazi Zionists, that is) but also a hell of a lot of self-styled fake Jews of Khazar-Kipchak-Alan descent who dream just of a New Khazaria in the Middle East and have conned the West to allow them to make that dream come true.
So, before you say we just spread lies in this forum, try to prove us wrong for once. We have dealt with your statistical genetics challenge, so please come up with other challenges before insulting us as liars.
Maybe you are a bona-fide semitic Jew, maybe you are an uninformed turanic 'Jew', in all cases you too need to wake up and reset your education system: you too have been conned.

This is an very timely discovery. For an in-depth (and eye-opening) article on the Khazars and their pernicious descent into modern Zionism, here is a link to an article: http://signalmesa.com/~gabriel/khazar/khazars.html

Welcome to this forum, your writings and material on the Ashkenazi-Khazar connection are very interesting, everyone should read this! Spread the knowledge, but beware of counterfaits like the photo and statuette in this blog (see also our comments above).

GabrielET: I once begged for someone on this blog to please divine for us the riddle of Gog and Magog. Although our own History Worm has already risen to that challenge, you have directly addressed it in a very compact and accessible way, by offering this great resource, with many references, to Monkey Zerg's record breaking thread. To think it all started with a disputed image in a photograph ! And no wonder that you bear the name of a divine messenger. Greetings and Salutations, Gabriel !