Complexities of India
India is complex, and is misunderstood by many. Let's see if I can clear some of the misunderstandings that have been raised on another thread recently.
Most people here probably don't know too much about the Indian civilization. While we can't get into that now, here are some quotes from wise people from different lands that provide some perspective:
Ralph Waldo Emerson, American Philosopher:
"In the great books of India, an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence, which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the questions that exercise us."
Will Durant, American Historian:
"India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all". (‘Story of Civilization’)
Henry David Thoreau, American Thinker:
"Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climes, and nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment of the Great Knowledge."
Max Mueller, German scholar:
“If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India.”
Hu Shih (Former Chinese Ambassador to USA):
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across its border." (Bhavan Journal 15.05.1999)
Sir William Jones, British Orientalist:
"The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity is of wonderful structure, more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin and more exquisitely refined than either."
Although India, being spiritually content within herself, needs no endorsement from outside, she is nevertheless happy that many noble men from diverse parts of the world have availed of and benefited from her intellectual and spiritual bounty.
But let us now get to specifics:
Great Revealer:
There is a massive unrest, a CIVIL WAR in India --- with upper-caste Hindus and Brahmins VS:- Dalits & lower-cast Hindus
- Naxalites & "leftists"
- true aboriginals in the "7 Sisters"
- Islam & Muslim Indians
Do you know that one of India's most powerful politicians, the Chief Minister of India largest state, is a woman from a formerly "untouchable" caste?
Revealer, it would be instructive for you to find out how many members of the Federal Cabinet are Brahmins. Also, find out how many of the state Chief Ministers are Brahmins.
I'm afraid your claim is very far from the truth.
BR.com is a VERY POPULAR website among the "liberal, right-leaning, modern" Indians who support P.M. Singh.
As far as I know it's an open internet forum. Even you could join. So how can there be any guarantees about content? In any case nuclear "Mutually Assured Destruction" strategies are always crazy. Even those of the US and the former Soviet Union.
Revealer:
Why can't so many Indians & the gov't of India understand something so important and obvious????!!!!!!! India plays a very crucial role --- but right now it is being manipulate the most evil, racist tribal cult known to mankind.
Hmm ... the recent terror attacks are traceable to the ISI and not the Israelis. I suppose it is fair to say that there is little awareness of the NWO agenda amongst the public at large. But then, that's true even in the United States. As far as the top levels of government are concerned, its difficult to say how much awareness there is. But I think that by now, every single intelligence agency in the world knows about the false-flag nature of the 9/11 attacks.
Hamza:
All it takes is for Israel to explode a bomb somewhere and then send in a fax to Delhi Times and say it was 'The Glorious Indian Mujahideen Council'Indian Right Wing so blinded...
by hatred of Islam, I bet they would turn a blind eye to false flags they KNEW were perpetrated by Israel+Indian intelligence just to gain some sympathy and find an excuse to fight Islam.
The terror attacks are being very intensively investigated. Several of the perpetrators of the terror attacks have been caught alive, and their chain of command is traceable to the ISI. There are interviews of the captured terrorists here.
Hamza:
In fact, that was one reason Islam grew in India is b/c the Muslim rulers did away with all that caste stuff, and it was a means of lower castes to escape their lot in life by becoming Muslim, and instantly caste didn't matter anymore b/c they were Muslims and were labeled as Muslims thereafter. This occured with Christianity to a lesser extent as well.
Unlike the ancient Persians, Babylonians or Egyptians, India was able to substantially preserve its religion despite being under Islamic rule for some 600 years, from about 1100 AD. Around 1700 AD, the Mughal Empire was destroyed by the indigenous Marathas and Sikhs. For an interesting perspective on Islam in India, see http://www.indiastar.com/wallia10.htm
Sullivan:
Hindusim has always seemed to me to be a religion that presents itself to the rest of the world as loving, fluffy, caring and tolerant, when in reality it is racist, dogmatic, intolerant and full of hate.Indeed, I know of only one other religion that exhibits such a level of unabashed bigotry and prejudice - Judaism.
Oh boy. While there is no universal definition of Hinduism, it is probably fair to say that the core of Hindu Dharma consists of the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali and the Advaita philosophy of Adi Shankara. You're welcome to take a look, and let us know about the hate that you find there.
No wise person is saying India hasn't contributed to society. India being one of several ancient civilizations, should be admired. I often heard many Indians claim European languages evolved from sanscrit --- but they never showed the connections. Is it 10%, 20%, 50% or 90% derived from sanscrit?! if it's around 10%, then nothing unusual as ALL languages employ loan-words.
What we are protesting is the dangerous "alliance" between a respectable India and nefarious Israel. I understand that it's safe to assume high level of governments SHOULD know of Israel's "NATURE", but it is frightening that almost every single Indian I've encountered in person, online, correspondence, and observed are unaware of Judaism-Zionism evil nature. True, many other people are ignorant as well, and we haven't forgotten about them. That's the reason why many others and I personally, spend so much effort getting the actual truth out.
But India holds a special influence, due to it's geographical location and population size. The Zionists know this damn well --- and is exploiting India to create world unstability. I'm sure the Indian elite have "calculated" that they can get something in return, be it tech, nuke supply, money......
...... but from world experience, any large entity that has dealt with Judaism-Zionism in the past has suffered IMMENSELY. From man-made famine, pollution, rape, exploitation, theft, murder, genocide, biological & chemical weapons, "indecency", corruption, break-down of family/human values, etc. The Elders of Zion didn't invent these stuff, but they mass produced it!
If the Indian elite thinks they come out of an Isreali-Khazar deal on top OR without blood on their hands, they are fooling themselves. Can ANYONE cite a single instance this has happened?!! These human parasites earned their world reputation.
Our hope is that India joins the world community in denouncing the evils of Zionism, and to help Israel reform peacefully. While a small number want zionists out, MOST would be content if 1) Israel finalized its borders, 2) give Palestians some of their land back, and 3) stop being a threat to the region and world.
This is very much accomplishable. Divide up occupied Palestine, separate those who can't live together, ensure both Israel and Palestine have access to fresh water (river) and the sea. Those who can live peacefully with each other can continue to do so, those who can't can emigrate. Isreal has the military advantage.
Regarding religion, we can basically say there's two parts: 1) living and 2) non-living.
1) Living component (be it Hindu, Islam, etc) is composed of people --- this is what propagates and moves civilization.
2) Non-living component consists of books/writings --- this is what is "interpreted" by people. Some claim it comes from heaven, but any sensible person will admit it was written down by humans.
This is what I have come to understand. Both 1) and 2) are prone to error. Religion, any religion, is humankind's quest for truth, meaning of life, answers to "what after death?", and emotion longing and insecurity.
ofcourse it will 'appear' to seem like ISI is responsible for bombings in India, but we know to whose advantage is it for Pakistan to look like they are making explosions in India.
Knowing what I know about Israel and then knowing Israel's budding relationship with India, it is just a matter of putting 2 and 2 together to realize that India's hundreds of millions that could be mobilized against Pakistan is too tempting for Israel to leave alone. Remember, these guys ALWAYS make others do their fighting.
One thing they ALWAYS do is leave a paper trail 'leading to Pakistan/ISI'....that is their modus operandi. But the burden of proof in India is sometimes just a random fax to a news agency.
India has hundreds of millions of Muslims, if there was real terrorism you would know it.
If Israel can do this to Europe & America, you can be sure they hold India & the 3rd world in much less regard.
obviously have some issues with each other, nobody is doubting that. There is some back 'n forth between them and I'm not unaware of the political issues between Pakistan/India.
But how many attacks/explosions occur in Pakistan that are not instantaneously blamed on Indian intelligence? Did Pakistan blame the Marriott attacks instinctively on Indian intelligence?
The extreme right wing Hindu extremists are obsessed with Muslims, and to a lesser extent Christians. Pakistani ISI is not necessarily obsessed with Hindus. There doesn't seem to be much anti-Hindu rhetoric coming out of Pakistan.
Like I said, I am not from the subcontinent, but I can assure you that I have no ingrained animosity to Pakistanis or Indians. Some of my good friends are from Madras, Lucknow, Kerala, Hyderabad.
As far as the Marriot is concerned, it was probably an ISI hit with the aim of wiping out the entire civilian leadership. The Pakistanis are saying it was carried out by HuJI (Harkat-ul-Jehad Islami), which is known to have links with the ISI. The HuJI is also suspected in first bombing attempt on Benazir.
It's true that the anti-Indian rhetoric from the Pakistani civil society has gone down. See for example, this article about the "Bollywood-ization of Pakistan". But Pakistan has a Jekyll and Hyde personality - there is a conservative Islamist core that has a very deep hatred for Hindu Kaffirs, possibly born out of insecurity regarding their ancestors' conversion to Islam.