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Michael Parenti, Savvina Chowdhury, Sarah Regan at the Peoples' Movement Assembly in Olympia WA

published by Tom Sullivan on Sat, 2012-10-27 08:11

What people believe the U.S. is doing in the world and what the U.S. really is doing, is one of the great propaganda feats of modern time.

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Submitted by Fester on Sat, 2012-10-27 18:51.

Parenti still hasn't looked beyond the official LIE of 9/11, right?

Classic bullshit on Communism which the Moynihan Commission admitted:

"A significant Communist conspiracy was in place in Washington, New York, & Hollywood"  
“there was proof of a serious attack on American security by the Soviet Union, with considerable assistance from an enemy within"
"the US Government possessed information which the American public desperately needed to know”    (Moynihan Report, Appendix 7)

"We"???  "US policy"?? 

Submitted by Tom Sullivan on Sat, 2012-10-27 20:31.

Parenti still hasn't looked beyond the official LIE of 9/11, right?

What has 9/11 to do with Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Panama or for that matter Nicaragua, Chile or El Salvador? Did the US bases dotted around the world (where they have no place being) simply not exist before 9/11?

Classic bullshit on Communism which the Moynihan Commission admitted

What exactly is your issue with what he said? Are you saying that the "Communist Menace" wasn't seriously overblown and used as a measure to control through fear? Who cares what (yet another) Commission reported?  If you believe the report of the Moynihan Commission, then why not that of the 9/11 Commission? If the government lied in the latter case how do you know they didn't lie many times beforehand? Are you saying that the US doesn't routinely attack those who want to use the labour, capital and resources of their own countries for "self development"?

You seem to be channeling Senator McCarthy again ;)

Submitted by Fester on Sun, 2012-10-28 02:41.

Sullivan, the Moynihan Commission admitted that McCathy was right.  With the release of the VENONA files it was obvious and no longer deniable.

Please don't suggest that because Moynihan et al were forced to admit it that it's therefore in doubt.  As I've said many times, people need to read Evan's book which provides the Senate transcripts, FBI files, and VENONA proof.  Case closed.  The Jewish media has been lying about it since day one.  Surprise!

We NEED a WITCHHUNT.  Desperately.  So do the Irish, the Brits, the French, and the rest of the world.  We do not need to repeat Jewish twaddle about "McCarthyism" and the evils of being vigilant to enemies inside the gates.

One more time, McCarthy's claims wer proven by Venona:

"A significant Communist conspiracy was in place in Washington, New York, & Hollywood"  

“there was proof of a serious attack on American security by the Soviet Union, with considerable assistance from an enemy within"

"the US Government possessed information which the American public desperately needed to know”    (Moynihan Report, Appendix 7)

End of story on "McCarthyism."  The Jews managed to smear him and cover their asses using the media and their Congressional whores.  Notthing new there, I hope. 

Parenti is another of the Chomsky-Zinn smartly dressed hookers.  Whispering Big Jewish Lies in the drunken Goyim's ear.  If he wanted to make a difference, he would use his influence to awaken his audience. 

I refer people, again, to Evans' Blacklisted by History and Major Jordan's Diaries.

Submitted by Tom Sullivan on Sun, 2012-10-28 08:42.

Sullivan, the Moynihan Commission admitted that McCathy was right.  With the release of the VENONA files it was obvious and no longer deniable.

So you do believe one commission but not another. Personally I take with a grain of salt everything the government says, even if they have "files" to back it up. 

We NEED a WITCHHUNT.  Desperately.  

You are channeling McCarthy! You've even used the word "witchhunt". :)

So do the Irish, the Brits, the French, and the rest of the world.  

No we don't. I believe people should be free to believe in whatever they want provided they are open about it. That includes Communism, Socialsm, National Socialism, Libertarianism/Anarchism, Capitalism and Fascism. Until they try to impose their views on others by force or by menaces, then they should continue to be free to do so. It seems that part of "freedom" didn't resonate in the so-called "land of the free" during the McCarthy era.

We do not need to repeat Jewish twaddle about "McCarthyism" and the evils of being vigilant to enemies inside the gates.

Jewish twaddle? I didn't need to listen to any commentary on McCarthy to arrive at an opinion on the man. His own performances suggest he was at best slightly touched and at worst a raving lunatic. 

End of story on "McCarthyism." The Jews managed to smear him and cover their asses using the media and their Congressional whores. Notthing new there, I hope.

Nonsense. He didn't do himself any favours. Remember, his little "performances" were filmed so anyone can arrive at a judgment regarding his activities. 

Parenti is another of the Chomsky-Zinn smartly dressed hookers.

Ad-hominen much.

Whispering Big Jewish Lies in the drunken Goyim's ear. If he wanted to make a difference, he would use his influence to awaken his audience.

Your criticism of Parenti is long on personal attacks and very short on specifics. That in itself says a lot.

Submitted by Fester on Sun, 2012-10-28 17:23.

Sullivan, you seem to have reached your conclusions about McCarthy and "McCarthyism" from the video. Anything which contradicts this or exposes it as fraud, you are not interested in.  FOIA releases can be categorically dismissed as "files."  The VENONA transcripts of communication between Soviet handlers and agents such as Hiss, Harry Dexter White, Currie, Rosenberg, and other high-level officials are again merely "files" to be taken with "a grain of salt".  Senate transcripts of the McCarthy hearings which expose the corruption of the Tydings Commission not worth a look.

Communism seems to be ok with you.  You obviously don't believe that it was an international conspiracy that murdered tens of millions of people.  Perhaps this is why you are so complacent about McCarthy.  Anyhow, let's not debate Communism as you lump it with the other isms and are championing "freedom" rather than any particular murderous, enslaving ideology.

I used the word witchhunt on purpose as the Jews repeat it endlessly with their McCarty lies to train the Goyim to believe in the TV tales they're fed.   Part of the package.  Nothing going on behind the curtain.

Once upon a time, I had thought Parenti a real important truthteller.  Chomsky and Zinn too.  Funny how those who ignore or ridicule 9/11 truth are also consistent in never discussing Jewish control but love to battle the evil of "McCarthyism."  Admittedly it probably takes time away from the endless bloviation about "US empire," "US foreign policy", and "the corporate media."

Anyhow, the facts are available for those who care to look.  Sorta like 9/11 or the FED or USS Liberty....

Submitted by Tom Sullivan on Sun, 2012-10-28 18:17.

Sullivan, you seem to have reached your conclusions about McCarthy and "McCarthyism" from the video. 

What video? I've seen countless newsreels of McCarthy in action and that was enough. He came across as rabid and a disgrace to his heritage. I don't need any Hollywood spin or third-party commentary to arrive at that conclusion.

Anything which contradicts this or exposes it as fraud, you are not interested in.

Bullshit. Anything that sidesteps due process is a fraud and I'm not interested in it. Those who were subjected to McCarthy's witch-hunt (words you also use) and who lost their livelihoods because it were not afforded the usual right of due process. Come to think of it, I'm not sure what law they broke, but if they did break a law, they could have been tried in a court of law, found guilty or innocent and if the former, sentenced.

Communism seems to be ok with you. 

It is as ok with me as any other ism that requires totalitarian rule in order to prosper. You seem to have missed my fundamental point. I have no problem with ANY political belief provided that it is not forced on others by violence, intimidation, coercion or bribery. That, to me at least, is a fundamental premise of the concept of freedom.  I have no problem with my neighbour being Muslim, Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, Born Again Christian or whatever as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat. The same goes for political viewpoints. Is that notion really so hard for you to get your head around?

By the way, when was belief in Communism outlawed? If it wasn't, then why were those who were professed or suspected Communists subjected to what was, in effect, a kangaroo court? If it was, then why were they not tried and judged guilty or not guilty by a jury of their peers? What would you say if, for instance, National Socialism were to be outlawed and you were subjected to this nonsensical charade and lost your job because of it? What if you were living back in the 1940s and were accused of being an agent of Germany just because you held those beliefs? 

I have no doubt that the United States had more than its fair share of Soviet spies and infiltrators, just as the Soviet Union had more than its fair share of U.S. spies and infiltrators. Its a quid pro quo. I'm equally sure the Soviets viewed anyone with sympathies towards any other ism as "spies and infiltrators" and would have about as much time for that charade as I did for McCarthy's.

Submitted by Fester on Sun, 2012-10-28 19:41.

Sullivan, you say,

I've seen countless newsreels of McCarthy in action and that was enough.

I've seen "rabid" and "deranged" Muslims on newsreels for decades.  I've even seen them "celebrating the 9/11 attack."  Are you seriously saying that that's a sufficient source.  Oh, that's right the declassified documents are merely "files" and "all governments lie" ergo we don't need to linger over those "grains of salt."

Anything that sidesteps due process is a fraud and I'm not interested in it. Those who were subjected to McCarthy's witch-hunt (words you also use) and who lost their livelihoods because it were not afforded the usual right of due process. Come to think of it, I'm not sure what law they broke, but if they did break a law, they could have been tried in a court of law, found guilty or innocent and if the former, sentenced.

Again, the newsreels are inadequate and people should be aware of who controls the media.  I again urge you to consult the sources I've repeatedly offered. Had McCarthy not been taken down by the Jews, the accused would have had fair trials and you would know the laws they broke.  I only use the word "witch hunt" as it is bullshit, like, say, "the war on terror" or "gas chamber."  I've posted on this repeatedly.  You can't seriously be suggesting that I buy it that...

A recent post documents the lie that people were denied due process:

It’s of interest that neither in the Clooney film nor in the original Murrow broadcast is there any evidence cited to indicate Moss was an innocent victim—the message being conveyed instead by video clips of Moss and of McClellan browbeating Roy Cohn for allegedly treating her unfairly...In the case of the Clooney film, there is no excuse whatever, as the truth about the case is fully available to anyone who bothers to review the voluminous SACB reports and archives of the Bureau.

As for “facing her accuser,” Mrs. Moss was not denied such right by McCarthy.  In keeping with its standard practice, the subcommittee notified Moss and her attorney that there would be testimony about her and summoned her to appear at that time to answer Markward’s statements.  Mrs. Moss herself, via a letter from her attorney received the day of the hearing, declined to do this, saying she was too ill to testify.  She was then asked to appear the following day and came to the hearing room, but her attorney again said she wasn’t in condition to take the stand.  McCarthy, though skeptical of this, said if she were really too ill to testify he didn’t want her to do so, but would reschedule her response to Markward.  Mrs. Moss then appeared on March 11, the delay occasioned by her own requests, and not the doing of McCarthy.  (Note:  If the accuser-facing reference is to the film clip in which McClellan lambasted Cohn for mentioning other witnesses who would testify to the CP status of Mrs. Moss, that appears to have been still more humbug, and a bit of playacting by McClellan.  The matter of such additional witnesses had been discussed in McClellan’s presence by McCarthy, [Democratic Senator Henry] Scoop Jackson, and Cohn in the two previous hearings, the latter attended by Mrs. Moss and her attorney.  On those occasions, McClellan hadn’t said boo about the unfairness of alluding to these other unnamed parties.  It was only after McCarthy left the hearing of March 11 that McClellan jumped Cohn for referring to this already mooted subject.)

Sullivan, the logical and reasonable approach would be to apply the legal principle falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus when evaluating mainstream versions of history. 

It would also be emminenlty logical and reasonable to ask cui bono?  To which question the answer is organzied Jewry.  America did not learn that Jewish communists were working for the Soviets, did not learn that the multi-trillion dollar "Cold War" was a hoax, did not learn that Jews were in control of the media and Congress, did not learn that Mao was not "a democrat".  And the world has paid an incalculable  price.

The McCarthy Big Jewish Lie stands alongside 9/11, the Holohoax, "the Greatest Generation," and other swill.  "McCarthyism" is alarm bell whenever the Goyim get uppity and want questions answered.

Submitted by Tom Sullivan on Sun, 2012-10-28 23:44.

I've seen "rabid" and "deranged" Muslims on newsreels for decades.  I've even seen them "celebrating the 9/11 attack."  Are you seriously saying that that's a sufficient source.  Oh, that's right the declassified documents are merely "files" and "all governments lie" ergo we don't need to linger over those "grains of salt."

Good point. I suppose the footage could be edited in such a way as to present him as slightly touched.

Sullivan, the logical and reasonable approach would be to apply the legal principle falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus when evaluating mainstream versions of history. 

Again a good point and one I would generally agree with. However, I would generally require just a tiny bit of evidence that something is awry in order to conclude that bullshit is on the menu again. In this instance, the only evidence you have proferred is a Commission Report. Applying the principle of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, the blatant lies of the 9/11 Commission would certainly cast some doubt on the reliability of the report you cite.

Speaking of legal principles, I notice you (apparently studiously) avoided addressing my point regarding the right of these individuals to know which law they were accused of breaking and to have their day in a proper court of law, where their guilt or innocence could be determined by a jury of their peers.  Also, it is apparent from your silence on the matter that you don't agree that people should be free to hold whatever political opinions they wish without being harrassed by agents of the state and that this is one of the fundamentals of freedom.

Again, I have to ask you if the boot was on the other foot, would you (assuming you were living back in the 1940s) appreciate having your livelihood taken away from you because you espoused National Socialist ideals? Should there be a prescribed set of political doctrines that are acceptable with proponents of any other being subject to state-sponsored violence and loss of freedom? Just look at how quickly you jumped to the conclusion that "Communism is ok with me" just because I believe strongly in the practical application of individual liberty, not just its theory. 

America did not learn that Jewish communists were working for the Soviets,

And Jewish capitalists were working for the Americans. Who do you think dismantled the Soviet Union? What was the most prominent group amongst the dissidents? It worked both ways!

did not learn that the multi-trillion dollar "Cold War" was a hoax

Of course it was, as is this manufactured left-right divide. People didn't learn about it because it didn't suit their government (and those who own their governments) to learn about it. 

The McCarthy Big Jewish Lie stands alongside 9/11, the Holohoax, "the Greatest Generation," and other swill.

The second and third examples have considerable evidence (or lack of tangible evidence to support the opposing theory) to allow the sceptic to begin to question. The first and last are considerably more nebulous. 

Submitted by Fester on Mon, 2012-10-29 02:06.

Sullivan, let's go back to the beginning.  In the mountain of shit that is the Moynihan Report, a few telling admissions are made.  These were forced upon the govenment by the delcassification of the Venona files.

If such declassifcation were to produce damning facts regarding JFK"s murder or 911, we could expect exactly the same thing.  Lee Hamilton et al would bury the truth in a mountain of bullshit.

Once more the nuggets from the pile:

"A significant Communist conspiracy was in place in Washington, New York, & Hollywood" 

“there was proof of a serious attack on American security by the Soviet Union, with considerable assistance from an enemy within"

"the US Government possessed information which the American public desperately needed to know”    (Moynihan Report, Appendix 7)

The Rosenbergs got a fair trial and fair punishment.  Hiss was gulity as hell and avoided serious punishment.  There were many individuals identified by the FBI and Whittaker Chambers, and brough to light by McCarthy and they were confirmed by Venona.  None were punished. 

Communism is not a system which deserves to be tolerated.  It had already proven itself in Russia and has been murderous Jewish tyranny wherever it has been allowed to grow. 

The damage done around the world by Communism was supported by traitors inside the US.  These are facts and far more significant and worthy or concern than the very tired, shop worn tales of "innocents" and "lost livelihoods" endlessly regurgitated by the media and history books.

Had McCarthy's charges been fairly examined by the Senate and fairly reported by the press, all those "innocents" who "suffered" would have had due process. Instead of blaming McCarthy for denying due process - the Jewish mainstream lie - please read the books.  Read the transcripts.  The facts are not debatable, no matter what limited hangout artists like Parenti and Rivero may spew. 

Facts are stubborn things and merely require wider distribution and acknowledgment. Thanking you in advance for your efforts on this important issue!

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